Dude this is so incredibly f'kin rad. This is an intensely complicated circuit and you absolutely nailed it. Your patience and methodical approach paid off and I applaud you for showing that kind of stamina. Even if the amp sounded like garbage this would be a massive win, but it sounds phenomenal from this side of the digital fence. Just dealing with the Mouser interface alone for sourcing all these caps and resistors is a huge time investment, let alone comparing schematics and photos for proper layout. For this to be your third amp build is unbelievably righteous. Bravo man!
The plastics used on the control knobs wasn't produced in a factory located at the correct altitude from sea level, if you listen to the mids you can tell...
Congratulations on an awesome build man. I'm building a tweed princeton this weekend, but taking a class to do it not being tech savvy - more like technophobic. Cheers!
Best of luck building the tweed. I built a Princeton Reverb last year and it is glorious. I would recommend that you check out Rob Robinettes site. Also consider adding the negative feedback switch to add some versatility to the amp. Cheers
Hey Michael, beautiful build man! I love how neat and tidy you made the amp inside. I have built a few amps and that’s something I always shoot for. Makes a difference to noise levels and also looks amazing. The amp sounds amazing too man. Well done on the build. I have 3 builds which I need to do this year! Your video has reminded me that I need to get started! Lol! I’m gonna go check out the other build videos you have done too 😊 have a great day man.
I still haven’t added it all up because I spent it over the course of a year but I would guess somewhere between $1k and $1200. Tubes, transformers, and chassis were probably around $650. There were also a number of parts that I bought that weren’t correct or I bought extras of like common value resistors/caps/etc
Shouldn't the output transformer be mounted 90 degrees out from the power transformer? That seems to be one of the 10 commandments of tube amp design whether it's HI-fi audio amps or instrument amps. Supposedly the magnetic field generated by the big power transformer could induce intererence in the output transformer and cause hum at the speaker.
Sounded absolutely killer dude! And you are such a dynamic player, you deserve a Dumble! You are a very tasteful player and it responds to your touch! Good job fella! That's your amp!!! Live it!
Wow, great job! Can you tell me what relay transformer you used? I'm also building a #124 and am having a difficult time figuring out what transformer will work for the amp as the Dumble layout transformers are no longer available. Cheers!
Most people ditch the voltage doubler circuit and use a 12v transformer. I used a Hammond 166F12B. There might be better options especially if you are going to add relays. It only does .3 amps. In hind-site I understand it better and could have picked a better option but it works for now
What an epic video, holy cow. I've done a few DIY pedals, but never an amp. This is just fantastic! Beautiful work, and your tone and playing is great too. Oh, and nice Vita hat!
Congratulations for your hard work. I am a happy owner of a Dumble clone like yours with 15W output and you are right, this amp is just magic ! I wish modern amps could be built that way. Sure you now understand how hard it is to build this amp (and probably other types of amps are easier to build, who knows). Play a lot and if you can improve your amp please do it and show us all how beautiful your mind can be creative 🙏 A big thank you for your hard work ❤️
Hello Michael, great video, thank you. I too (started to) build a Dumble myself years ago. What an experience, as the electric idiot I was by that time, just with a pro looking over my shoulder from time to time and keeping me from lethal mistakes. I had a lot of flaws in it and it landed as a project in the basement, quite an expensive collection of spareparts. Your video encouraged me to restart and finish the project soon. Thank you for the impulse. May the electric shock be with you.
You did well to build that amp and not have any teething issues, congrats! I built a Ceriatone Kit of Robben Fords Amp, and it came out great ...no issues at all! I spent almost a month studying the schematic, the circuit layout & some high resolution photos on Ceriatones Build albums. I copied the lead dress from the photos, and the Amp has a very low noise floor ...super quiet! One thing that I did when I was working on the Front panel controls was to install the pots & switches thru the front panel & inverted, so I didn't have to work in the tight chassis. Once I was completed with that, I just removed the assembly and installed it correctly. Very happy with the amp! Enjoy yours!
Hey Micheal, you should check out the guitar wank podcast ,if you haven’t already. They did a friends of Dumble series after he passed. They talked to a handful of his friends that told some interesting stories of his personality.
Not sure on cost but maybe around 1k-$1200 in parts though it could be done cheaper. My time line was a little skewed because I was in and out of town on tour so much. Time wise I bet you could do it in 2-3 weeks with regular, longer work sessions.
man, I can hear all kinds of nuance in the sound, whether clean or some overdrive, and I'm not even picking the guitar -- yet I can hear how it's responding to your picking, I can really hear it!! You must have done a good job, well done!
Man...... I created my own branched 9vDC power supply long ago.... I took a year of electronics in Highschool... Thought It'd be a cake-walk.... I encountered problems just with the SUPER-SIMPLE design I came up with... To take this project on.... You're the man....!!!
I would love to try my hand building one of these ants. It looks like a lot of fun and a damn good way to learn a hell of a lot. My question to you is approximately how much money did it cost you to build this amp so I can get a good idea of what I can expect to spend if I decide to build my own?. I hope you don't mind me asking. I know some people can be funny about asking them these kinds of things.
I bought everything over 6-8 months and didn’t keep track of it as I went. My guess is maybe $1000 - $1200. Definitely bought a few wrong parts and stuff I didn’t need along the way
WowZ thats amazing first time i love , it hope yer so proud of yer self thank you for doing this remarkable video im a guitarist but would love to understand amp building keep on bringing us yer amp knowledge thanks so much
I’ve been building amps for years. Great hobby. It should be mentioned that Alexander Dumble knew his amps were unique so he coated most of the inside with a black silicone so amp builders couldn’t reverse engineer them. I could only imagine the guys that picked all that out of one of his amps just so I could be cloned. Great channel!
Congrats and Kudos on your successful Amp build. Sounds good! I use a Modeler, but I also listen to Amps for comparison, and even watch some Amp Repair Channels to improve my understanding of how vintage Amps work, sound, where things tend to break, and how to fix them. The Psionic Audio Channel is one of my favorites.
For sheet metal, you really should use christmas tree or conical bits. Twist drills are hopelessly bad on anything thin; you'll get all their bad sides.
the way he prefaces every move with some redundant obvious statements drives me nuts " so here is the switch im gonna flip the switch now because that turns it on" JUST DO IT MAN
All of that stuff you said about making sure you had the wire routing correct? As per the dumbbell amp, that kind of stuff is so important to have a good sounding amp. People don't realize how much of the difference that can make when it comes to hum and things of that nature wire routing is so important and the more time you spend on getting that right the better finished product you're going to have. So kudos to you for making sure you got all of that stuff correctly. Ran... It should be a pretty damn rad ass Amplifier when you get it done!!!! Well I guess by the end of this video it will be done so kind of redundant of me saying that I guess.
just accumulated all the parts for a tw express build. I'm thinking i shoulda gone with this instead. I've built quite a few amps and complex ones at that with several relays and daughter boards.. The tone on this is outstanding
Nice job for your third build! Especially with a Dumble clone. You took your time instead of rushing to see if it’ll work. That makes a HUGE difference. The only problem with building an amp that works right away is you miss an opportunity to learn why it’s not working. So if you or anyone watching builds an amp and it doesn’t work, just know you’ve been presented a great opportunity to learn about amps instead of just following directions. 🙂
Would love to get a list of parts and where you got them. maybe you could sell complete kits now that you have sourced all the parts, add an upcharge and save people the headache of sourcing over many months.
oldering parts is a pain. placing them on the boalds. then sordering them. Are the parts affoldable ? im tord they are..im sure when its done it will sound like solid gord.
if i had the patience..id love to build a great handwired amp, but id build many of them. It seems like you did a super job. Looking forward to hearing that beast!
I remember reading about the time/process Dumble created... I found out that even the length of a jumper wire could effect the build when my AC30TBX 63' reissue needed some love ..
Very nice build. Have you ever thought of building a trainwreck? I've built a couple express'. They can do anything. Incredible cleans , all the way to super saturated, gorgeous, harmonically rich overtones. I've always been into tweed and plexi amps, but they do not even compare to a trainwreck.. the honeymoon phase will never end, lol. They are a very simple build as well
Thanks! I have actually and even a tarted researching it but got busy. It seems like a pretty easy build overall especially compared to this one. I still can’t believe it fired up first time 😂
Very cool. Could be a nice project at a later date. In general, I’m curious what the total ballpark cost of parts and materials ended up being. Sounds amazing as it is but definitely look forward to future updates too
@@MichaelWWestbrook I hear ya lol that’s the main reason why I was curious myself. Scared to look at the final cost if I build one too. I’ve actually found some cool dumble captures on the Tonex platform which is pretty cool but would love to have a physical version to play as well
Sounds really good!!! I've had that schematic on my list of want-to-build projects for quite some time. Maybe I need to bump it up the list!!! I'm curious what speaker/cab you used for the demo.
Great looking and great sounding build Michael. I know exactly what you meant when you mentioned it took longer than you first thought but I am sure its worth it!
Love Amp Garage. I used their infor to build a Trainwreck Express. It became one of my favorite amps immediately. Is it a good as a real one? I may never know.
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Dude this is so incredibly f'kin rad. This is an intensely complicated circuit and you absolutely nailed it. Your patience and methodical approach paid off and I applaud you for showing that kind of stamina. Even if the amp sounded like garbage this would be a massive win, but it sounds phenomenal from this side of the digital fence. Just dealing with the Mouser interface alone for sourcing all these caps and resistors is a huge time investment, let alone comparing schematics and photos for proper layout. For this to be your third amp build is unbelievably righteous. Bravo man!
Thanks for the kind words. Your so right about mouser 😂 Getting the right parts from them alone is a win
Congratulations...
The plastics used on the control knobs wasn't produced in a factory located at the correct altitude from sea level, if you listen to the mids you can tell...
gorgeous amp, if ti sounds half as good as it looks she's a keeper, running her cold for a minute? burn it in.. :-)....
Friendly advice, looks like you need more space in your room. Sell me your Rhodes!! 😅
I can’t even imagine how satisfying it was to work through this project and have it turn out so successfully. Congrats!
Yeah, for sure! Thanks!
Awesome. I have a 183 build planned. Finished an SSS 002 recently (thanks to the amp garage).
Are there any low wattage builds?
Congratulations on an awesome build man. I'm building a tweed princeton this weekend, but taking a class to do it not being tech savvy - more like technophobic. Cheers!
Awesome, have fun!
Best of luck building the tweed. I built a Princeton Reverb last year and it is glorious. I would recommend that you check out Rob Robinettes site. Also consider adding the negative feedback switch to add some versatility to the amp. Cheers
Loving that amp...and that nasty ass Gold Top!
Im in love. Amp garage Saturday! Birthday gift June 2025 starting today! ❤
That's got to be a fun and rewarding project, but way above my pay grade.
I have never actually heard a dumble in person, but I have had several modelers, and from that, I don't like dumbles:)
Yeah, it’s not for everyone but it’s worth check out this style amp in person if you get a chance
@@MichaelWWestbrook I'd love to:)
Now do this 385,000 more times. You have many customers... waiting. Where do I place my order? for the MW Dumble???? Dwumble? Dwmble?
The Mumble?
Good distorted tone. What tubes did you use? 100w? 6L6s? Boards designed by Amp Garage? Chassis source? Schematic available?
TAD red base 6l6’s, JJ’s and one Tung Sol currently but I’ll be experimenting with the preamp
Hey Michael, beautiful build man! I love how neat and tidy you made the amp inside. I have built a few amps and that’s something I always shoot for. Makes a difference to noise levels and also looks amazing. The amp sounds amazing too man. Well done on the build. I have 3 builds which I need to do this year! Your video has reminded me that I need to get started! Lol! I’m gonna go check out the other build videos you have done too 😊 have a great day man.
Awesome! Thanks
BIG QUESTION:
How much did this cost you to build??
I still haven’t added it all up because I spent it over the course of a year but I would guess somewhere between $1k and $1200. Tubes, transformers, and chassis were probably around $650. There were also a number of parts that I bought that weren’t correct or I bought extras of like common value resistors/caps/etc
Shouldn't the output transformer be mounted 90 degrees out from the power transformer? That seems to be one of the 10 commandments of tube amp design whether it's HI-fi audio amps or instrument amps. Supposedly the magnetic field generated by the big power transformer could induce intererence in the output transformer and cause hum at the speaker.
It is!
Sounded absolutely killer dude! And you are such a dynamic player, you deserve a Dumble! You are a very tasteful player and it responds to your touch! Good job fella! That's your amp!!! Live it!
Thanks, I really appreciate it!
Wow, great job! Can you tell me what relay transformer you used? I'm also building a #124 and am having a difficult time figuring out what transformer will work for the amp as the Dumble layout transformers are no longer available. Cheers!
Most people ditch the voltage doubler circuit and use a 12v transformer. I used a Hammond 166F12B. There might be better options especially if you are going to add relays. It only does .3 amps.
In hind-site I understand it better and could have picked a better option but it works for now
How cool would it be if a legendary amp builder is born through this "rabbit hole?"
What an epic video, holy cow. I've done a few DIY pedals, but never an amp. This is just fantastic! Beautiful work, and your tone and playing is great too. Oh, and nice Vita hat!
Thanks! Good eye on the hat! I stopped in on a tour date last year
Congratulations for your hard work. I am a happy owner of a Dumble clone like yours with 15W output and you are right, this amp is just magic ! I wish modern amps could be built that way. Sure you now understand how hard it is to build this amp (and probably other types of amps are easier to build, who knows). Play a lot and if you can improve your amp please do it and show us all how beautiful your mind can be creative 🙏 A big thank you for your hard work ❤️
Great job man! The first play tones sound great!
Congrats 😊
Can’t wait for the full on demo!
Thanks Jag!
Hello Michael, great video, thank you. I too (started to) build a Dumble myself years ago. What an experience, as the electric idiot I was by that time, just with a pro looking over my shoulder from time to time and keeping me from lethal mistakes. I had a lot of flaws in it and it landed as a project in the basement, quite an expensive collection of spareparts. Your video encouraged me to restart and finish the project soon. Thank you for the impulse. May the electric shock be with you.
Awesome! You got this!
You did well to build that amp and not have any teething issues, congrats! I built a Ceriatone Kit of Robben Fords Amp, and it came out great ...no issues at all! I spent almost a month studying the schematic, the circuit layout & some high resolution photos on Ceriatones Build albums. I copied the lead dress from the photos, and the Amp has a very low noise floor ...super quiet! One thing that I did when I was working on the Front panel controls was to install the pots & switches thru the front panel & inverted, so I didn't have to work in the tight chassis. Once I was completed with that, I just removed the assembly and installed it correctly. Very happy with the amp! Enjoy yours!
Awesome! Thanks!
Amazing. Recommendation on who offers the best ODS kits? Thanks
I want to buil a dumbledore
Michael, looks and sounds great. That moment of flipping the switch, been there, felt that moment many times. Well done. 👊
...well done ...can see a line of amps with Westbrook on them?
Probably not - Hard to make a business out of building 1 amp a year 😂
Great Job
how much were the transformers? the rest i have a general idea coming from mouser.
Depends on what you go with but you’d be looking at $200-$400 for the OT, PT, and choke
Wow, I love that. I feel very inspired! If a year long video in the making doesn’t deserve a like, none do! Great stuff Michael 🎉
Pretty incredible project, Michael. Very well done.
Hey Micheal, you should check out the guitar wank podcast ,if you haven’t already. They did a friends of Dumble series after he passed. They talked to a handful of his friends that told some interesting stories of his personality.
Awesome! I’ll try to find that, thanks!
Just found this Mike. What do you estimate the total cost and time to complete this job to be?
Not sure on cost but maybe around 1k-$1200 in parts though it could be done cheaper. My time line was a little skewed because I was in and out of town on tour so much. Time wise I bet you could do it in 2-3 weeks with regular, longer work sessions.
Amazing looking wiring internals, something to aspire to for us small build enthusiasts! Very nicely done, Mikey!
Thanks!
++ congrats, men, you did so well this Amp is so cool++
Thank you!
Good on you bruh! Proud of you taking on a project like this! (100 watts…your neighbours must love you!)🇨🇦
man, I can hear all kinds of nuance in the sound, whether clean or some overdrive, and I'm not even picking the guitar -- yet I can hear how it's responding to your picking, I can really hear it!! You must have done a good job, well done!
Man......
I created my own branched 9vDC power supply long ago.... I took a year of electronics in Highschool... Thought It'd be a cake-walk....
I encountered problems just with the SUPER-SIMPLE design I came up with... To take this project on.... You're the man....!!!
what's the total amount of money you have into this build?
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I would love to try my hand building one of these ants. It looks like a lot of fun and a damn good way to learn a hell of a lot. My question to you is approximately how much money did it cost you to build this amp so I can get a good idea of what I can expect to spend if I decide to build my own?.
I hope you don't mind me asking. I know some people can be funny about asking them these kinds of things.
I bought everything over 6-8 months and didn’t keep track of it as I went. My guess is maybe $1000 - $1200. Definitely bought a few wrong parts and stuff I didn’t need along the way
I imagine anyone would do that. Guess it goes with the territory of custom builds.
WowZ thats amazing first time i love , it hope yer so proud of yer self thank you for doing this remarkable video im a guitarist but would love to understand amp building keep on bringing us yer amp knowledge thanks so much
Congrats - it sounds AMAZING!
This is amazing. What a journey, and great tones. Looking forward to more videos featuring this amp.
I’ve been building amps for years. Great hobby. It should be mentioned that Alexander Dumble knew his amps were unique so he coated most of the inside with a black silicone so amp builders couldn’t reverse engineer them. I could only imagine the guys that picked all that out of one of his amps just so I could be cloned. Great channel!
Man that’s great! Have you gig with it yet? What are your thoughts?
No, still need to get a cab! Been doing some session work with it at the house and it’s such a work horse!
Incredible. Well done. Sounds great. Looking forward to the demo video. Congratulations.
Heck yaaa man!!!!!
Congrats and Kudos on your successful Amp build. Sounds good! I use a Modeler, but I also listen to Amps for comparison, and even watch some Amp Repair Channels to improve my understanding of how vintage Amps work, sound, where things tend to break, and how to fix them. The Psionic Audio Channel is one of my favorites.
Yeah, love that channel!
Wow, great….good job.
Wow! 😮 So cool man! I admire your patience!!
For sheet metal, you really should use christmas tree or conical bits. Twist drills are hopelessly bad on anything thin; you'll get all their bad sides.
Yeah for sure. Didn’t have anything like that but it worked out.
@@MichaelWWestbrook Results sure sounded great. And the video looks great. I can just feel the pain of working with twist drills 😀
The wiring looks beautiful!
Were there details on the speaker setup used here?
G12-65 and EV12L - They are hard panned to each side. I’d have to look to see which is which.
the way he prefaces every move with some redundant obvious statements drives me nuts " so here is the switch im gonna flip the switch now because that turns it on" JUST DO IT MAN
Oh man, that's awesome, I started planning my ODS build this week!!!
how about links to where to get parts
like chassis, boards and transformers?
I'm really impressed when i see a man create an amp or guitar.
All of that stuff you said about making sure you had the wire routing correct? As per the dumbbell amp, that kind of stuff is so important to have a good sounding amp. People don't realize how much of the difference that can make when it comes to hum and things of that nature wire routing is so important and the more time you spend on getting that right the better finished product you're going to have. So kudos to you for making sure you got all of that stuff correctly. Ran... It should be a pretty damn rad ass Amplifier when you get it done!!!! Well I guess by the end of this video it will be done so kind of redundant of me saying that I guess.
I am also building a dumble clone (Luigi retro PCB) but for the life of me can’t get approved on amp garage. Tried contacting so many times
Strange. Haven’t been over there much these days as I’m busier with other stuff. I’ll go poke around and see if I find out anything
Seems like there is a new admin and there was a big back log of new members that needed approval. Might be reason for the delay!
I really appreciate the help! +subscriber
Sounds really good 👍
just accumulated all the parts for a tw express build. I'm thinking i shoulda gone with this instead. I've built quite a few amps and complex ones at that with several relays and daughter boards.. The tone on this is outstanding
Thanks! I’d love to build an express one day.
Nice job for your third build! Especially with a Dumble clone. You took your time instead of rushing to see if it’ll work. That makes a HUGE difference. The only problem with building an amp that works right away is you miss an opportunity to learn why it’s not working. So if you or anyone watching builds an amp and it doesn’t work, just know you’ve been presented a great opportunity to learn about amps instead of just following directions. 🙂
Very true!
Congratulations. A great accomplishment. It sounds wonderful. Thanks for sharing.
Would love to get a list of parts and where you got them. maybe you could sell complete kits now that you have sourced all the parts, add an upcharge and save people the headache of sourcing over many months.
Great to see your project come to life. Nicely done.
oldering parts is a pain. placing them on the boalds. then sordering them. Are the parts affoldable ? im tord they are..im sure when its done it will sound like solid gord.
I followed the link to your site. What are "IR's"? Thanks.
This is awesome! A really great vid and a spectacular amp build. Crazy cool!
if i had the patience..id love to build a great handwired amp, but id build many of them. It seems like you did a super job. Looking forward to hearing that beast!
I sure hope you talked to the owner of Amplified Nation, he is a really nice guy and a Dumble expert supposedly. Neat build by the way.
This is awesome that someone would take the time to do this right.
Yeah, I wasn’t sure if I’d do it again (even though I’d love to) so I figured I would do it as well as I could with quality parts and whatnot
I'm feeling super inspired! Sounds awesome!
ToneX will do the same,.... absolutely not !
Is there a link for a kit?
It wasn’t a kit. Sourced everything on my own. Definitely a longer process that way
Sounds solid dude! The tones you are bringing out Of the amp in the end 🎉 congrats on your build!
Thanks! I’m sure it will only get better over time too!
Do you have a final total on what you spent? What was the cost!
I'm late to party here. I just wanted to say NICE! JOB!. I would love to build an amp, one day. Congrats!
Thanks!!
@@MichaelWWestbrook Any way we can pay for a parts list? Your real world experience in invaluable, as some internet lists arent accurate.
@@MichaelWWestbrook Also love your tele. What brand?
I remember reading about the time/process Dumble created...
I found out that even the length of a jumper wire could effect the build when my AC30TBX 63' reissue needed some love ..
Yes, there are a lot of variables for sure!
What an incredible sounding Amp!!
Very nice build. Have you ever thought of building a trainwreck? I've built a couple express'. They can do anything. Incredible cleans , all the way to super saturated, gorgeous, harmonically rich overtones. I've always been into tweed and plexi amps, but they do not even compare to a trainwreck.. the honeymoon phase will never end, lol.
They are a very simple build as well
Thanks! I have actually and even a tarted researching it but got busy. It seems like a pretty easy build overall especially compared to this one. I still can’t believe it fired up first time 😂
Wow... damn your brilliant ... sounds great.
Hello from England. The amp sounds really good.
What les paul is that?
Gibson Custom Shop ‘57 Reissue
Very cool amp you built there. Sounds great. There's a lot going on in one of these
Wild Man, Real Wild Daddio. Sounds Amazin'
Very cool. Could be a nice project at a later date. In general, I’m curious what the total ballpark cost of parts and materials ended up being. Sounds amazing as it is but definitely look forward to future updates too
Awesome! I’m not exactly sure the total amount, I need to go back through and add it up but not sure if I want to 😂
@@MichaelWWestbrook I hear ya lol that’s the main reason why I was curious myself. Scared to look at the final cost if I build one too. I’ve actually found some cool dumble captures on the Tonex platform which is pretty cool but would love to have a physical version to play as well
@@MichaelWWestbrook More or less than the 10k a dumble might cost?
Nah, without a cab I probably around the 1k mark. Maybe more, maybe less
@@MichaelWWestbrook nice. Yeah for how good that sounds you can’t beat that
Cleans were awesome
I like your build process. I need to apply it to my projects.
Sounds fantastic! Congratulations on a successful build!
Thanks!
i'm just surprised it took 124 episodes to get it done.
Sounds really good!!! I've had that schematic on my list of want-to-build projects for quite some time. Maybe I need to bump it up the list!!! I'm curious what speaker/cab you used for the demo.
G12-65 and a EV12L. They are hard panned left and right but I don’t remember which is which!
Great looking and great sounding build Michael. I know exactly what you meant when you mentioned it took longer than you first thought but I am sure its worth it!
Absolutely worth it! Nothing quite like playing a great sounding amp that you built yourself
Dumble build for your third amp? You have my respect sir 👍 One of these days I have to take the leap. Great video!
Love Amp Garage. I used their infor to build a Trainwreck Express. It became one of my favorite amps immediately. Is it a good as a real one? I may never know.
I’d love to build one of those. Maybe in a couple of years
@@MichaelWWestbrook much easier than a Dumble for sure
Why use stranded wire?
Why use solid wire?
Who owns the amp garage now whats the address ive got some papers to serve them.