It's so bad. I had no idea that was a thing until after I bought it, of course, but I've never had an experience that bad before with a utility app. It's ridiculous.
@@YoshirosadoGameplays Most people don't use sneaker-net anymore. Apps are easily in demand. Your comment is out of touch, and merely someone trying to justify an inferior line of product.
@Catter I wouldn't even ever know this thing had an app if it wasn't because I saw this video, there are so much more advantages on using and SD card, even file read are better if you use and sd card, there is even a recommended format for the SD card, these printers were made to use with a SD card, apps are for very inexperienced users that just want to click print and have everything done, which is fine, but as I said, most of us know how to slice and tweak the slicers, that's just so unnecessary, that's like adding something stupid like a lamp, or an outside fan for the user on the p1p and call it "superior" just because it has something that's is not really needed and doesn't solve any problems.
@@YoshirosadoGameplays " there are so much more advantages on using and SD card" Really, can you tell that SD card to hop into your printer and start a print? "apps are for very inexperienced users that just want to click print and have everything done" Really, so you polled 8+ billion people on this earth and that's the ONLY reason people listed as a need for a 3D printer app, got it. Nice work, must have taken a lot of your time. Yep you are still so far out of touch with reality, you might as well be posting from Mars.
Regarding the creality app: you can completely skip that by using the web interface you can access via the browser when entering the printers IP. You can also see the cam footage there and upload prints remotely
Sigh. There are two apps. Creality Cloud, and Creality Cloud Lite. Lite is everything you want from the touch screen and camera feed and video retrieval, download and sharing. Regular has a “community” with their own ads. Everyone just took the video OP’s word for it and never actually checked
I wouldn’t say skipping since a big point of the app is to remote access to the printer/camera from your phone when away from the printer/network its on. Theres ways people made this work with klipper but when bambulab printers exist….yeah screw that lol
Up until now my k1 has been working great. My last print PETG translucent print, no supports, just a raft, minimal stringing and great print. All those that can’t get a print to actually finish off of this printer….I think patience is all K1 owners need and maintain the printer. I’m just a hobbyist but a patient one.
Hey guys, thank you for pointing out all the talking points between both machines. I personally went with the P1P a few months back and have consistently told people that,"I didn't know what good printing was until I got my Bambu Printer." On a side note though, would you mind popping a little edit into the video regarding the Cooling Fan(and Chamber Light) because they are now included with any and All P1P's sold as well as will be sent to anyone that did NOT get it as an Early Bird Gift. It's really cool what Bambu Labs are doing, especially taking a majority of the user issues into account moving forward. Thanks again guys and great work.
Thanks, Alex. On the cooling fan and chamber light, I believe they provide the *camera* and chamber light, right? That's what they sent me after I ordered, even though I didn't buy it as part of the kickstarter. I believe I addressed those in the video but I'll double check to make sure. Either way, thanks for watching and for the comment and happy printing on the P1P!
Yepp, no cooling fan, just the LED strip and the low spec 720p camera. Although that cooling fan can be purchased separately the main difference ist the enclosed print volume which makes the K1 more comparable to that BL X1. The X1 is also enclosed and also has a bigger touchscreen but costs twice as much as the K1. For an open printer (like the P1P) the more affordable ELEGOO Neptune 4 Pro (also with Klipper) for 300 bucks (€) is a far more suited comparison which shows the premium on the Bambu Lab printers.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 The K1 is 1/3 less volume than the P1P and X1. Plus the quality of the K1 sucks. And now with the P1P being $599, same price as the K1, and the new P1S with enclosure and other new features for $699, that pretty much KILLS the K1 dead in its tracks. And all Bambu Lab printers can use the AMS while the K1 can not or anything like it.
K1 and K1 Max have been FANTASTIC for me for the last year. Much much much cheaper than bamboo, larger build sizes available, and multicolor releases soon. I gave my 74yo mother a K1 about a month and a half ago. She'd never seen a 3d printer before 😂. She's now happily printing out all kinds of things and having a great time! Machines are great. Even for newbs. Also can get refurb models
Thank you for your feedback on the Creality K1. I particularly appreciate that you bought the 3D printers and aren't making advertorial content. It was good to hear what you didn't like about the K1. While I don't minimize those as issues for you, they were in almost every case non-issues for me. I won't install any app to use a 3D printer. I won't send any files to a cloud server. I print engineering prototypes, useful one-off designs to fix problems I encounter in everyday life, and products that I sell. I don't need multi-color printing nor do I want the reliability issues and complexity. I don't print Luke Skywalker models and Mandelorian helmets, not that there's anything wrong with that. I was a bit disappointed to hear of some K1 extruder reliability problems, the drive gear engagement lever being too loose or getting knocked loose by the cable chain, issues of low quality cable chain links separating, etc. These are all issues that Creality can fix, but historically they may not. Hopefully there will be simple fixes from the community. I'd like to buy a K1 Max in a few months with those issues resolved, and I'd greatly prefer a stripped K1 Max with no camera or lidar (I think the Creality version will be Bambu Me Too gimmicks that provide little benefit) for $250 less. I"d like the speed and performance of the K1, with the build volume for the K1 Max, without the expensive fluff features. I'd like to keep it simple. My Bambu Lab issues are the carbon fiber guide rod tubes that wear and aren't replaceable, their near insistence on sending my prints through their cloud server, and the proprietary design particularly from a new company.
You make some great points and it sounds like the K1 Max might be a great fit. I love that everyone has different priorities and ways they use their printers. Creality actually contacted me after they saw this video here on RUclips and said they have fixed all of the issues I brought up so maybe they have. We'll see. Hopefully you find a great printer that works well for you. Happy printing, my friend!
The carbon rods are fine. There has been one instance of actual worn out rods and that was a guy that was greasing them which you aren't supposed to and which will cause excessive wear beyond normalcy including using ludicrous mode constantly. Every other "worn out" vid i have seen is when people took the hotend apart and noticed the wobble. Which doesn't apply since screwing the hotend together twist and tightens the bearings. Plenty of people with over 10.000 hours with 0 wear. Just need to maintain them. It IS user replaceable now since Bambu sells the X gantry assembly so if you end up wearing out the rods you can pop a new one in. Afaik the K1 also has glued in and press fit rods. Atleast some people made jigs to free the rods if you really want to. You don't need to use the cloud. You can perfectly send files through LAN through your network without it ever touching their cloud. It's literally a single button switch on the screen and most of the time Bambu studio picks that printer in LAN only up. Yeah the proprietary stuff sucks but eh third party hotends are already being made and eventually there will be stuff. A group is currently reverse engineering the board and Bambu made the promise to open up everything if the company goes under but that is ofcourse just a promise and i don't see a Bambu failure in a long time.
@@joeking433WDYM? Mine works perfectly and I’ve used the entire base plate + I’ve watched a more recent video saying they have fixed it. The old switch requires a lot less force to flip but the new one does making it fixed with under extrusion.
@@OliverWatson-s8c I'm gonna get a K1 this month. I am capable of maintaining it and the ones who can't even after the tons of hardware corrections creality has made in K1, then such people should stay away from this hobby
So happy to see a HONEST reviewer ...... I hate when some youtubers is over-selling a bad brand .... and keep saying it's top notch when you can see it is NOT! You have just got me as subscriber ... a old crazy dane.
Thank you for this video. I have been intested in the K1 as.a Bambu alternative to sace a few bucks, and you've sold me on the Bambu. The ads on the monitoring app are beyond the limit of what im willing to tolerate.
Actually I had tried my friends' P1P once, though dont have much experience with it. Problems you mentioned dont brother me, i might have enough luck. All the prints with my K1 are awesome, love it so far.
If the worst issue with the K1 is the app, just enable stock Klipper (tutorials are available). I still think I want a K1, but I don't like *any* printer that forces you into their own cloud and/or slicer. From what I've seen Bambu's system is pretty closed.
It's not. i use Orca which is another fork of bambu which is also opensource. You can print on Lan only if you want or via sd card like every other lame printer.
Sigh. There are two apps. Creality Cloud, and Creality Cloud Lite. Lite is everything you want from the touch screen and camera feed and video retrieval, download and sharing. Regular has a “community” with their own ads. Everyone just took the video OP’s word for it and never actually checked. You don’t even have to use stock klipper you can just type in the IP and get the Creality device interface served from the printer
Thank you for being honest, finally. Creality continually rushes out printers with serious flaws and rather than fixing them, they just make a new printer. For years we had the never ending new "Ender" series.
Exactly, releasing new printer every few months and essentially they are all the same - always needing some tweaks and upgrades. i have ender 3 max but the constant tweaking got old very quickly. I was skeptical about Bambu Lab but since i got P1P i fell in love with printing again
@@Fantastika that remains to be seen. I am not fanboy of any single company so i do not care if other company leapfrogs them. 3d printing has been stagnant for way too long and Bambu Lab stirred the market and moved it forward. I wish good luck to all
They're definitely going to have to change that "iterative" release approach they've had for years now. I think they're capable of making good machines but their need to constantly have something releasing keeps them from actually polishing the machines before releasing. Hell, they *could* continue "iterating" the Ender series and reserve a "K" series for more spaced out releases of more developed machines, and most people probably wouldn't notice. Release an upgrade kit for the previous K series when the next one does come out like Prusa does, and shift production over. Honestly it'd also be nice if they finally simplified the Ender line-up. Keep only the V2 Neo, the S1 Pro, and maybe work on getting klipper for them. There is no reason to be selling any of the other models at this point, other than possibly getting rid of stock (but I doubt it); everyone expects ABL, 32-bit and TMCs (and an Ender 3 made now has two of those, so why not just get rid of it and keep the V2?). Also why is the Ender 6 still listed when it isn't even being sold anymore?
It seems that Creality is trying to do better with their upscale K1. It has a much more finished appearance and user experience, but Creality still can't quite help being Creality so they fumbled the extruder design and some details like the drag chain. They also tried to lock down Klipper in violation to the licensing agreement. So far, it looks like Creality got enough right with the K1 that the community shouldn't have too much trouble finishing the design if Creality does its usual deal and doesn't address the shortcomings after the start of production.
Bought a P1S two weeks ago. I've been running it everyday for about 8 to 10 hours. I have not had one failed print. It's fast and so far quite reliable. As suggested by Bambu Lab, I clean the PEI sheet with warm dish soapy water and dry it before printing. The first layer has always been perfect. Myself, if I needed another printer I'd just buy another P1S.
My K1 Max is a beast. There's a couple of little things I didn't like in the firmware (they tried to make it easier for people) so I rooted it and changed what I didn't like. I get perfect first layers, perfect flow, and rarely a fail of any sort and then it's been my fault.
@@bp3d106 The k1 max can do ALOT of stuff bamboo can't do. It seems that it's turning into a stupid apple vs android situation. If you're an idiot, get bamboo, if you don't mind a little tinkering to make things PERFECT get K1 Max. The fact is you can't change ANYTHING on the bamboo to suit your needs. Out of the box, yeah, it's a better experience but that experience is the best it's ever going to be unless they change it for you.
@@crazeokc you had me at "you can't change ANYTHING on the bamboo". That alone is the sales killer for me. I am currently figuring out which printer to get as my first printer but I would like the option to modify but not to the extend that you have to modify at the beginning just to get the first print out, like earlier printer versions had.
people are printing enclosure frames (not the enclosure design in bambu site) and hinges for the P1P and they either source and cut the acrylic or polycarbonate clear siding themselves or they order pre cut sides from a cnc shop. Then you can buy the bambu X1C glass roof/lid or use acrylic or polycarbonate for that too. With the P1P developed as an open frame, bambu decided to omit the main circuit board cooling fan, which you would want add it enclosing it. You also want to add filtered exhaust especially if printing abs, which adds to the cost. And adding a cooling fan for the printed part for when using pla filament. It adds up though and would be better to get the X1C to begin with (or the k1😐 although it's not for me). Printing enclosure is a good solution for people who already had a p1p though.
Really enjoyed this video. I am a complete 3D printing newbie and found it very informative. I just got my Bambu Labs P1P and looking forward to using it. Thanks for going through the side by side comparison.
So just a few things. I like open source. So p1p has a negative for on that. Also I really want a printer that only sends data to my local network. Nix the cloud. When bamboo has been around for more than 1 year I will also feel more comfortable about it being not open source. Parts need to be available for the foreseeable future. The AMS feature looks nice, but I understand it does not handle TPU(flexibles). I do a lot of that so the AMS is not a big seller for me. From what you have said. I do like the bed size,speed,thermal capabilities. But I am actually passing on most of these new fast printer. Give it another year and I will look again. :)
Your complaints are minuscule and I feel like are almost irrelevant. The warped print is probably user error. The big fact that Bambu is closed and you have to go through Bambu for anything and no customization or upgrades for the p1p. Everyone know what they’re getting with Creality.
You can print the ARC Bambu Lab P1P Enclosure to fully enclose the P1P, available on Printables. I don't own a 3D printer, wanting want for years but can't afford, just following 3D printer to keep myself updated...
Those notification is enough to stop me from buying this printer, it’s such a shame I was really looking to get this but now after seeing so many negative reviews I guess I will just bite the bullet to get the Bambu X1C
I got the X1C one month ago, my fourth printer, the hype about that X1C is totally justifyed, you will not regret it. Get the AMS to if you can find the money, I was unsure if I wanted it, I took it, and now I can´t imagine ever having a printer without it again.
I have a K1 and its worked flawlessly so far.. Its weird that so many people have such different experiences with this printer. And why is the Bowden tubing for the filament not inside the cable chain?? On my K1 the Tube is inside the cable chain with about 10cm at the extruder end not in the chain so there is no way the chain will get close to the gear extruder switch as the tubing stops it from getting near it.. Its like this on the official website page to give you an idea of what I mean.
All the gripes about the K1 pretty much seem to be resolved at this point. The Creality app can be replaced with any Klipper app as there is a way to open the machine up to run full Klipper rather than the messed about with version that ships with the printer. You can also run Prusa Slicer as there are profiles for the K1 available now. Also there are fixes for the extruder issues and cable chain problem available from Creality for those with early printers and printers shipping now appear to have the updates already there. The camera and LiDAR are also now shipping for the K1 and already installed in the K1 max. For me, although the P1P is a fine printer the enforced cloud integration and terrible privacy policy make it a none starter.
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Bambu cloud and them using your stuff or selling it to third parties is a big no-no that mostly no one talks about. Creality seems to be solving their problems, but Bambu isn't.
Same for me, the privacy aspect eliminates the Bambu for me. I just ordered the K1 on the sale under $500. Ordered the upgrade nozzle as well and PEI bed.
@@n3rdoutmedia K1 firmware has been open sourced now so all the software gripes are essentially gone as you can now officially run full Klipper with associated phone app and good slicer integration. I have the K1 max which hasn't given me any issues. Make sure it is a recently manufactured machine if you buy one as the first batches had bad extruders but that is now fixed. Not as plug and play as P1P but has a good community and lots of good slicer setting available now. As you already have a couple of printers and have experience you won't have any problems setting up a K1.
Would love to hear an unbiased review. A lot of "For me" in there. Separating your opinion from the facts would be nice. Ultimately, you comparing a printer with an add-on to curb having to switch filaments is not a fair comparison..when, the add on is 300+ more than the printer you are comparing it to which is $100 LESS than the printer with that option. Newsflash, you are paying $100 more for an extra 56mm X/Y on the bed and the ability to spend MORE money to get a filament changer. This can be seen as a plus or a minus depending on your opinion, but not on the facts. It's a null fact. You pay more, you get more pretty simple, and *DING* not a "feature". At the bones level, the K1 is a better printer. By a lot? Nope. Both printers are great and have their own pluses. No need to Apple/Microsoft this just for clicks. Either one will suit you just fine.
I sit next to my printer (Ender 5 s1) and send jobs to it from Cura. I can see the bed is clean and clear from a £2.50 webcam too. I installed Klipper myself on a cheap Pi 3B+. It's not as fast as a K1 or P1P, but it sits idle for 16 hours a day anyway. I have no problem taking 30 seconds to swap a spool before a 12 hour print!
Full enclosure and directdrive is very important to me. I can live with 220x220x250mm I would use prusa slicer - everybody uses what works best for him.
thanks for this video you definitely gave me some much needed insight on the k1 I already have a p1p but wanted to add more good to know I’ll just get an X1 in the future instead
A few issues 1) most multi material printers don't have a poop chute. That doesn't tell us anything. I wouldn't hold my breath, but it is too early to rule out. 2) the k1 works with any slicer. The Creality slicer is just there for interfacing with Creality's cloud services. 3) you can absolutely change the notification settings in the Creality cloud app. Accounts tab> hexagon icon > notification. 4) nobody has a reason to care about 3 because it is a klipper printer. Just use the built in web interface like everyone else. The app is just for cloud slicing, or starting a print job from outside the home.
Thank you for the review. Something funny, I had the helmet concern but thought it was so niche and marginal nobody would care. Also didn't expected the small addition in volume to make just the right difference. Again thanks, it's been a very helpful video.
The newer K1 version past August 2023 is fantastic, the app is still horrible but works. Just a lot of ads. Slicer is not an issue as you can run all of the major ones on the K1. The camera on the K1 is awesome and it is nice to monitor my print from work. The K1 Max is the perfect printer, just that crappy app…… Hopefully, when Creality completes it’s purchase of Bambu they will integrate their app.
I hope they don’t, they will ruin the bambu completely, the problem with creality products is that most of them are rushed in production and quality control is not the best, the k1 has potential but they still have to fix a lot of issues.
Give it a few months, the problems on the early K1's seem to be getting sorted out in machines being sold now. Things like bad extruders and beds out of level together with a few other niggles seem have been fixed on machines being sent out now. Also there is already a jail break to open up full Klipper meaning you don't need to use the Creality app.
Good video. The Creality app appears to be terrible. The cable chain is a relatively easy fix but it’s not something that a user should need to do and doesn’t inspire confidence. I also agree about the concern of longevity and your experience with the Bambu labs has been much better so that makes sense. We will see if Creality can improve on these criticisms and improve. They will need to.
Exactly. I really hope they do better over Time and they absolutely need to overhaul their app. Like I mentioned, the printer isn’t terrible but for the money you have superior options.
They'll only improve (if they do at all) with another version of the printer. Unfortunately, all users who didn't know Crealitys track record and bought one are shit out of luck.
@@arshaqhabib1932 - Replace the cheap cable chain with a good cable chain from Igus or similar. Better attachment points may also be needed on the back of the enclosure and the extruder. Remove the reverse Bowden tube from the cable chain, replace it with a larger ID PTFE tube for less drag, and attach the new tube at the rear of the enclosure, the input to the extruder and to the outside of the cable chain near the halfway point. None of these fixes are expensive or difficult, but admittedly, none of these fixes should be needed on a $600+ 3D printer. On the plus side, it seems that Creality got most of the difficult and expensive stuff right so K1 owners shouldn't need to completely rebuild a 3D printer to have reliable, fast, high quality 3D printing.
@@Liberty4Everfrom what it looked like, it wasn’t the quality of the chain that was causing the problems such as the switch being flicked. It seems as though it’s poor design. The chain is simp,y in the wrong place. Too low for the switch, for example.I would modify that slightly. But I have machine shops. I don’t know what anyone else could do.
I am looking for reasons to cancel my preorder of the K1 but i dont really seem to find any, this sounds like a paid ad by bamboo lab tbh, most people dont use the app, i use sd card and i prefer to continue doing so, so the biggest issue is an app thats optional to use? Also the lever for the extruder, gosh, you were using so much force to open the gears with the worm thing, the only way that the cable guard or worm or whatever you call it, hits the extruder gear lock with such force is if the cable guard was sooo much stiff, and in that case a little lube would do the job; also.. what the hell was that test model? That same model wouldn't come out good in the p1p either, that was a model for a resin printer, that's why you only tested that model with the k1 but did not test the p1p, because you knew that model was not for any fdm printer .. so, still i will continue on my quest to find any good reason to cancel my preorder. Next time dont make it so obvious bamboo lab is paying you.
We each have our priorities and opinions, which is great. I can assure you I have zero affiliation with Bambu Lab, not even so much as an affiliate link, but if the K1 is a great fit for you am then that’s awesome. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it. It’s fast and a major upgrade from bed slinger printers.
I think the deal breaker for me with the Bambu Labs is the proprietary hot end/extruder you can't get a 0.6mm E3D nozzle for example I also personally would never use the app so the fact that it sucks isn't too much of a big deal for me I would like to see more test print comparisons in this review
There are aftermarket hot ends that support V6 nozzles and review well. Personally like the OEM stuff too much to switch, but happy to have the option.
@@technicallyreal interesting. I'll have to look it up I wish there were more in depth reviews of these printers small issues you can fix in 5m are not too big of a deal for me and same with the crappy app
I'm just waiting for my max preorder... should have a lot of the nitpicking fixed but then I'll have an extra 3-400$ compared to the price of the x1 carbon to use for upgrades that matter
Thats why i got the Qidi X Max 3 3d Printer. Its running on Klipper. Works right out of the box with heated chamber for high temperature filaments. I like huge print volumes (325^3). I dont like proprietary stuff. I added 3dChameleon for the MMU.
WOW the Creality mobile app and notification situation there makes me never want to support Creality again. Absolutely disgraceful to subject paying customers to that! Thanks for all the info, very helpful as I am in the market for CoreXY prebuilt
Creality don't sell the camera so far but they get a k1 package which includes LiDar, hotend, camera and filaments. Good to have these as spare parts for almost free.
I have watched several reviews on the Creality K1 MAX and although the reviews may be a bit different, most all of them have the same negative comments regarding the bombardment of ads, and because that seems to be the weak link I will purchase the Bambu Lab X1 carbon.
At 15 years old I bought a brand new Ender 3 v2 when it came out, kept it stock for a year. Then I bought a dual z axis, direct drive, and Creality box 2.0 kit. I can print at 500 speed with no degrade in quality. After the first layer I speed it up.
That’s absolute BS that the Creality app spams you even though you have paid for the product. Agreed, instant deal killer for me and hella cheeky to boot. Thanks for the reviews, it’s making this choice easier to make
An fyi, the original design has the cable chain supported to NOT hit that switch, by what you ask? The bowden tube you removed :| But don't say it's about preventing extrusion problems if you don't even take the time to upgrade it to a capricorn.... :P And when you say metal frames, there's quite a difference between bambu's metal pieces screwed together, and the k1 die cast frame. Also, from what I'm seeing online, every bambu has a slight curve at the front of the bed, would love if you could test that one on each bed. I will say I'm not at all a fan of ads in menus for something I purchased. That's terrible
I have been printing well on the K1, the only thing to do is remove a couple of links making sure the cables still encompass the build plate, it still makes a little contact but not much.
You compare the K1 with the P1P, but also consider the P1S. For just a bit more you get a closed system. That's the one I would go for after watching this video. Thanks!
Bambu lab is just a better choice. Creality has been in the top sellers of printers due to offering some decent well priced entry level machines but also market saturation flooding it with dozens of side models so their brand is most of what you see when you search. This sadly leads to severe stagnation in their engineering department the fact Bambu lab had to make their printers just so creality could copy the blueprint is laughable when you look at the lead creality has on BL being in the market. I know no one asked for this rant but I honestly do think creality deserves no customers point blank.
Even more so now, they are slowly becoming antiquated. During the days of bed slingers, and dual rails being a commodity, they shined. But they did not keep up with the times. They have slowly had their competition, and their knockoff producers catching up, if not beating them. Really sad, as they have done so much for the community.
Bambu Labs do have an enclosure kit for the P1P that is reasonably economical, or you have the P1S available now as an option that is pretty reasonable. Big Tree Tech have recently released a Panda Touch device that upgrades the P1P / P1S display now. Very worth while. I know, slightly extra cost, but worth while and still preferable to me over the Creality offering. I believe, now ( 8 months later ) different slicers can be used with Bambu as profiles are now available, but I don't know off hand which ones are compatible. I think Slic3r and Orca work, but last I heard they don't support the AMS yet.
I have a K1 max, and a P1P and would recommend the Max. Out of the box is variable, mine has produced very good prints, others have had some issues. As an experienced troubleshooter and because Creality seems very willing to replace or to send replacement parts you can install and because you can get root access soon, it's really worthwhile IMO.
@ctgaming168 at the same time is better for hobbyists and tinkerers ,while using open source software with all its caveats, it is for a different audience. As much as I don't like Chinese markets as a whole and I don't have a soft spot for creality, I think they're better than bambu , only because bambu reminds me of Apple .
So basically, Creality still doesn't get it and along with that, with all the nonsense spamming they're effectively putting malware on your device. That said, from what I've heard, the P1P isn't on my short list either with how noisy it's supposed to be. The one video I saw, it sounded like the inside of some sort of metal factory.
They are noisy, it’s true. Like most things, different people have different priorities and the noise isn’t much of a factor for me since the printer is in another room with the door closed. The K1, for example, is really quite loud too but the enclosure helps a lot… At least when you can keep it all closed up 🤷
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 I have the Ender 3 S1 Pro, the problem is it's too slow and the Auto Bed Leveling garbage. I had to to stop using it and just go manual and now I can get some prints but it always take 20 minutes or so to dial it in... and it's far from silent.
Chipo p1p/s screen kinda reminds you you've paid not enough to have a good touchscreen every time you look at it). Not the case with K1. Number of times you do calibrations and twicks standing next to the unit should not be underestimated. I got mine recently and it's got upgraded extruder and has a matte lever finish, not glossy as the one here and the chain can not unlock that lever at the leftmost corner, unless I push it with my fingers. I guess Creality just made the chain longer or smth. The biggest thing I hate is the noise(
thank you for making this video, i am in agreement that the k1 isn't a pure winner yet. i wish it (and more importantly the k1 max) was. However since you're stuck with one you should know something to help with your biggest issue. You can ignore the creality app and use klipper's fluidd to use the printer remotely. On any phone, computer, or tablet. People have made prints to lock the start of the cable chain to stop it from bending over if you haven't already fixed that..
One thing i never see k1 reviews talk about is the massive difference that rooting a k1 and going to a mainsail or fluidd operated klipper system with guppy screen. Having KAMP and z tilt make a huge difference on this machine. It also allows for real input shaping not the fake input shaping it ships with. It also allows you to use octo everywhere and get off the horrible creality app.
I have been printing well on the K1, the only thing to do is remove a couple of links making sure the cables still encompass the build plate, it still makes a little contact but not much.
Creality always gets SO close and yet manages to miss every single time. I got a K1 Max, but I work with a Bambu P1S and a Prusa XL. I also have a minimally modded Ender 3v2 and a couple of Ender 6s. Just buy the Bambu unless you want a project printer. And if you want a project printer, why not just build a Voron or a RatRig?
I believe they worked out the kinks which made me purchase one, I don't do cosplay or need to build life size helmets, just a hobbyist, needing enclosed printer, prints fast, and easy to set up, I don't care for multi filament, if I need to change color, I can paint the project. For the price it fits my budget for doing very little printing. I bought it because the reviews recently are much better than it was in July. Thanks for being honest, it the K1 craps out, I will definitely let them know.
I am in the same boat as a hobbyist. I have only had one time where I thought multicolor would be cool and convenient, and that was when I was printing board game pieces as a gift for my sister. Currently thinking of upgrading to a K1 from my Ender 3. Is the app still terrible and full of ads? Even if it is, I would probably control the printer mainly through the web interface anyway. Are there any other things a fellow hobbyist should know about it from your experience?
It was easy to set up, enclosed, and small, which suited me for what I was doing printing small projects. I had to get the better extruder and the new hot end, plus the nozzle kit for later knowing these ends will wear out and not give you good prints. Make sure to set the power on the side of the printer to 110 or 220, normally if you are in your room, 110 very important, also make sure your printer is on that circuit by itself because it draws a lot more printing than your TV or PC combined. Also take the tube out of the feed tray, it hinders the feed of the filament. If you are patient and like to tinker with small tools and like problem solving. I would wait until after Christmas I know the price will be $400 or less. I would never buy one ever again, I am old and never used a 3d printer before and just don't have the time but I managed to learn in one day.@@RyanBoggs
Comment for Algorithm. Appreciate the video. Just bought my K1 as my main purpose is to print PC parts and for the price It's probably the better bang. I don't do models, just prototyping of parts and unfortunately I'd have to pay 1/3 more for the P1S to do the filaments that require more heat and stability in temperature control. I was tempted for the AMS feature to add later, but it seems Creality is going to drop one for the K1 at some point and again since I mostly do parts my use case is not for it, but I can see it being nice for doing prints of the same part with different filaments for testing. I also like the large community Creality has if they do end up dumping the software as opensource it will get massively better. I've always thought proprietary is good and usually better, but doesn't last. Betamax and mini disk, so sad. P1P is pushing hard, but I'd like to see a longer time on market before I jump to them.
So idk if it's "supposed" to be this way, but my boden tube runs through that chain. I've never had any of the issues you mentioned. Hell, honestly, I haven't had most of the issues you mentioned personally (I'm not saying you're wrong, want to make that clear). The app doesn't give me ads like ever...yeah sure there are a bunch of notifications, but having been on the platform for quite awhile now, I feel like it happens so much because they're pushing pretty hard to build a community in and around the app (for better or worse). To be fair, I haven't had the opportunity to use any Bambu printers and I won my K1 in a giveaway, on top of all of my printing experience outside of resin has been only Creality machines (E3 Pro, E3 S1 Pro, and K1). I wish I had more to compare to really, which is what brought me here in the first place. I was really curious why you didn't like it and was expecting an asshole elitist complaining, but I was pleasantly surprised, so thank you for that! I like your points and your opinions! They are all fair and unbiased in my opinion, but maybe try feeding your boden through the chain, it might help lol!
What you don't talk about is Closed Source and the Bambu Lab products are tuned to work with, well, Bambu Lab filament and slicer. At $28 for 1kg that is about double what most filaments run and since Bambu Labs just takes from the community while attempting to build an 'Apple Mystic', if it cost more it must be better, right? When Creality decided to open the Klipper printers they are shipping I ordered a K1 to use while building a VZBot, one of the many Open-Source printers that have developed the 'Next Generation' 3D printers. I expect Creality to be marketing an AMS system for their 'Flag Ship' line shortly, it's China, and the Creality AMS will be ~$300.
You can't compare enclosed vs non-enclosed just because they are both cubes and both have Kipper software. The open printer can't handle materials needing 35c and above environment. These are like comparing a Mazda Miata to a Nissan Pickup.
I totally get what you’re saying but I see that very differently. A huge percentage of buyers don’t regularly use filaments that require an enclosure. In my experience and in talking with tons of people, it’s just not an issue for most folks. That said, if you do use higher temp materials, of course this comparison doesn’t really work, so you're absolutely right for those situations.
It's important to remember that if you need an app to set up and use a device, manufacturer can decide to make your product on usable at any point they want to force you to buy a new one. It can even be as simple as removing the app from the app store. That means if you break your phone, you have to throw your printer in the bin. This is why I like Prusas so much.
You talking about Bambulab? You do realize that you can print directly from an SD card? You can also set your printer in LAN mode so it bypasses the Cloud and prints directly from your network.
@Lil Ape agreed bambu took their time (and probably only folded under pressure) to release their slicer. However, creality has been violating open source licenses for a long time with no consequences. Its basically on par for any Chinese company
Is it fully open now? Last I checked, Bambu released all the code that's based on Prusa Slicer, but was still holding tight the code that ran the "lidar" and the AI error checking.
The app its a clone for the early versions of AliExpress app for that reason share the same icons, same display adds and almost the same sections... what a shame for a print of that price!
As the community of the K1 grows, especially the firmware is unlocked now, the K1 will continue to grow, 3 months in it's already improved vastly. Bambu is closed source. I will never buy one. Color printing is nice but I really enjoy painting models so not a deal breaker.
Friend got a Bambu, I got the K1, he doesn’t use the AMS because it wastes several times the filament as the weight of the piece he’s printing. Gobbles entire spools printing a 6” character, leaves a pile behind to the printer so you need an additional few inches behind it to set up a wastebin. I was so jazzed for it until I saw that, and saw how during filament changes it can shift the print over and you wasted days and spools
Have had my P1P for a few months... It's an unstoppable tank of a printer. Huge fan of new tech but the P1P is easily my favorite purchase of the last few years. There's not even a close second
The ad nagging from the Creality mobile app is an instant deal killer. I can't believe anyone would buy their printer knowing that.
It's so bad. I had no idea that was a thing until after I bought it, of course, but I've never had an experience that bad before with a utility app. It's ridiculous.
Thats fixable, very fixable.. also, I don't use apps, and most people don't, I slice and upload to SD card
@@YoshirosadoGameplays Most people don't use sneaker-net anymore. Apps are easily in demand.
Your comment is out of touch, and merely someone trying to justify an inferior line of product.
@Catter I wouldn't even ever know this thing had an app if it wasn't because I saw this video, there are so much more advantages on using and SD card, even file read are better if you use and sd card, there is even a recommended format for the SD card, these printers were made to use with a SD card, apps are for very inexperienced users that just want to click print and have everything done, which is fine, but as I said, most of us know how to slice and tweak the slicers, that's just so unnecessary, that's like adding something stupid like a lamp, or an outside fan for the user on the p1p and call it "superior" just because it has something that's is not really needed and doesn't solve any problems.
@@YoshirosadoGameplays
" there are so much more advantages on using and SD card"
Really, can you tell that SD card to hop into your printer and start a print?
"apps are for very inexperienced users that just want to click print and have everything done"
Really, so you polled 8+ billion people on this earth and that's the ONLY reason people listed as a need for a 3D printer app, got it. Nice work, must have taken a lot of your time.
Yep you are still so far out of touch with reality, you might as well be posting from Mars.
Regarding the creality app: you can completely skip that by using the web interface you can access via the browser when entering the printers IP. You can also see the cam footage there and upload prints remotely
Forget everything about using the web interface. The fact is, that the app for a 500$ printer should *NEVER* have ads.
Sigh. There are two apps. Creality Cloud, and Creality Cloud Lite. Lite is everything you want from the touch screen and camera feed and video retrieval, download and sharing. Regular has a “community” with their own ads. Everyone just took the video OP’s word for it and never actually checked
I wouldn’t say skipping since a big point of the app is to remote access to the printer/camera from your phone when away from the printer/network its on.
Theres ways people made this work with klipper but when bambulab printers exist….yeah screw that lol
Up until now my k1 has been working great. My last print PETG translucent print, no supports, just a raft, minimal stringing and great print. All those that can’t get a print to actually finish off of this printer….I think patience is all K1 owners need and maintain the printer. I’m just a hobbyist but a patient one.
Or, you could get a bambu, which doesn't require patience
@@anishnattamai8801too new of a company. Their printers are way overhyped in my opinion.
Hey guys, thank you for pointing out all the talking points between both machines. I personally went with the P1P a few months back and have consistently told people that,"I didn't know what good printing was until I got my Bambu Printer."
On a side note though, would you mind popping a little edit into the video regarding the Cooling Fan(and Chamber Light) because they are now included with any and All P1P's sold as well as will be sent to anyone that did NOT get it as an Early Bird Gift. It's really cool what Bambu Labs are doing, especially taking a majority of the user issues into account moving forward.
Thanks again guys and great work.
Thanks, Alex. On the cooling fan and chamber light, I believe they provide the *camera* and chamber light, right? That's what they sent me after I ordered, even though I didn't buy it as part of the kickstarter. I believe I addressed those in the video but I'll double check to make sure. Either way, thanks for watching and for the comment and happy printing on the P1P!
Yepp, no cooling fan, just the LED strip and the low spec 720p camera.
Although that cooling fan can be purchased separately the main difference ist the enclosed print volume which makes the K1 more comparable to that BL X1.
The X1 is also enclosed and also has a bigger touchscreen but costs twice as much as the K1.
For an open printer (like the P1P) the more affordable ELEGOO Neptune 4 Pro (also with Klipper) for 300 bucks (€) is a far more suited comparison which shows the premium on the Bambu Lab printers.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 The K1 is 1/3 less volume than the P1P and X1. Plus the quality of the K1 sucks. And now with the P1P being $599, same price as the K1, and the new P1S with enclosure and other new features for $699, that pretty much KILLS the K1 dead in its tracks. And all Bambu Lab printers can use the AMS while the K1 can not or anything like it.
@@3d_printed_maker Another moron - I mean voron - fanboy chimes in... lol
What I love about PrusaSlicer, is you can feed it STEP files instead of STL and the circles and curve come out real smooth.
It still converts the step into a mesh, so as long as the mesh that's being compared to the step is decent quality, it'll come out the same.
Bambu studio can do this too!
@@pooounderscoreman
But Bambulab is a Chinese company sharing data with the Chinese government security forces if they ask for it.
@@Traitorman..Proverbs26.11 this is about file formats, my dude.
Just lower the angular tolerance and chord length to the minimum and you won’t have poor triangulation with STL
K1 and K1 Max have been FANTASTIC for me for the last year. Much much much cheaper than bamboo, larger build sizes available, and multicolor releases soon.
I gave my 74yo mother a K1 about a month and a half ago. She'd never seen a 3d printer before 😂. She's now happily printing out all kinds of things and having a great time!
Machines are great. Even for newbs. Also can get refurb models
Thank you for your feedback on the Creality K1. I particularly appreciate that you bought the 3D printers and aren't making advertorial content. It was good to hear what you didn't like about the K1. While I don't minimize those as issues for you, they were in almost every case non-issues for me. I won't install any app to use a 3D printer. I won't send any files to a cloud server. I print engineering prototypes, useful one-off designs to fix problems I encounter in everyday life, and products that I sell. I don't need multi-color printing nor do I want the reliability issues and complexity. I don't print Luke Skywalker models and Mandelorian helmets, not that there's anything wrong with that.
I was a bit disappointed to hear of some K1 extruder reliability problems, the drive gear engagement lever being too loose or getting knocked loose by the cable chain, issues of low quality cable chain links separating, etc. These are all issues that Creality can fix, but historically they may not. Hopefully there will be simple fixes from the community.
I'd like to buy a K1 Max in a few months with those issues resolved, and I'd greatly prefer a stripped K1 Max with no camera or lidar (I think the Creality version will be Bambu Me Too gimmicks that provide little benefit) for $250 less. I"d like the speed and performance of the K1, with the build volume for the K1 Max, without the expensive fluff features. I'd like to keep it simple.
My Bambu Lab issues are the carbon fiber guide rod tubes that wear and aren't replaceable, their near insistence on sending my prints through their cloud server, and the proprietary design particularly from a new company.
You make some great points and it sounds like the K1 Max might be a great fit. I love that everyone has different priorities and ways they use their printers. Creality actually contacted me after they saw this video here on RUclips and said they have fixed all of the issues I brought up so maybe they have. We'll see. Hopefully you find a great printer that works well for you. Happy printing, my friend!
@Liberty4Ever I echo your thoughts! I am leaning towards Creality K1 Max (when they back in stock) or Voron 2.4
@@The3DPrintingZone including spam notification booming and adds on app?
@@premium2554 I sincerely doubt that has been resolved in any way. I suspect they were referring only to hardware issues but we'll see.
The carbon rods are fine. There has been one instance of actual worn out rods and that was a guy that was greasing them which you aren't supposed to and which will cause excessive wear beyond normalcy including using ludicrous mode constantly. Every other "worn out" vid i have seen is when people took the hotend apart and noticed the wobble. Which doesn't apply since screwing the hotend together twist and tightens the bearings. Plenty of people with over 10.000 hours with 0 wear. Just need to maintain them.
It IS user replaceable now since Bambu sells the X gantry assembly so if you end up wearing out the rods you can pop a new one in. Afaik the K1 also has glued in and press fit rods. Atleast some people made jigs to free the rods if you really want to.
You don't need to use the cloud. You can perfectly send files through LAN through your network without it ever touching their cloud. It's literally a single button switch on the screen and most of the time Bambu studio picks that printer in LAN only up.
Yeah the proprietary stuff sucks but eh third party hotends are already being made and eventually there will be stuff. A group is currently reverse engineering the board and Bambu made the promise to open up everything if the company goes under but that is ofcourse just a promise and i don't see a Bambu failure in a long time.
This is the best K1 and P1P comparison on the internet👍.
Just so everybody knows, the K1 has fixed it’s printing problem he talks about
Yeah, right.
@@joeking433WDYM? Mine works perfectly and I’ve used the entire base plate + I’ve watched a more recent video saying they have fixed it. The old switch requires a lot less force to flip but the new one does making it fixed with under extrusion.
@@OliverWatson-s8c I'm gonna get a K1 this month. I am capable of maintaining it and the ones who can't even after the tons of hardware corrections creality has made in K1, then such people should stay away from this hobby
Just that bed issues transmission errors..
@@OliverWatson-s8chave they fixed the part where the cable chain was turning the gears off?
So happy to see a HONEST reviewer ...... I hate when some youtubers is over-selling a bad brand .... and keep saying it's top notch when you can see it is NOT!
You have just got me as subscriber ... a old crazy dane.
We’ll be sure to watch their follow up. Not everything stays the same forever
@@aeonjoey3d Agree.
Thank you for this video. I have been intested in the K1 as.a Bambu alternative to sace a few bucks, and you've sold me on the Bambu. The ads on the monitoring app are beyond the limit of what im willing to tolerate.
Ads in the Creality app suck, but who uses an app to 3D print? I'll never see that foolishness.
Actually I had tried my friends' P1P once, though dont have much experience with it. Problems you mentioned dont brother me, i might have enough luck. All the prints with my K1 are awesome, love it so far.
are these bots?
If the worst issue with the K1 is the app, just enable stock Klipper (tutorials are available). I still think I want a K1, but I don't like *any* printer that forces you into their own cloud and/or slicer. From what I've seen Bambu's system is pretty closed.
It's not. i use Orca which is another fork of bambu which is also opensource. You can print on Lan only if you want or via sd card like every other lame printer.
Sigh. There are two apps. Creality Cloud, and Creality Cloud Lite. Lite is everything you want from the touch screen and camera feed and video retrieval, download and sharing. Regular has a “community” with their own ads. Everyone just took the video OP’s word for it and never actually checked.
You don’t even have to use stock klipper you can just type in the IP and get the Creality device interface served from the printer
Thank you for being honest, finally. Creality continually rushes out printers with serious flaws and rather than fixing them, they just make a new printer. For years we had the never ending new "Ender" series.
Exactly, releasing new printer every few months and essentially they are all the same - always needing some tweaks and upgrades. i have ender 3 max but the constant tweaking got old very quickly. I was skeptical about Bambu Lab but since i got P1P i fell in love with printing again
bambulab will be doing the exact same
@@Fantastika that remains to be seen. I am not fanboy of any single company so i do not care if other company leapfrogs them. 3d printing has been stagnant for way too long and Bambu Lab stirred the market and moved it forward. I wish good luck to all
They're definitely going to have to change that "iterative" release approach they've had for years now. I think they're capable of making good machines but their need to constantly have something releasing keeps them from actually polishing the machines before releasing.
Hell, they *could* continue "iterating" the Ender series and reserve a "K" series for more spaced out releases of more developed machines, and most people probably wouldn't notice. Release an upgrade kit for the previous K series when the next one does come out like Prusa does, and shift production over.
Honestly it'd also be nice if they finally simplified the Ender line-up. Keep only the V2 Neo, the S1 Pro, and maybe work on getting klipper for them. There is no reason to be selling any of the other models at this point, other than possibly getting rid of stock (but I doubt it); everyone expects ABL, 32-bit and TMCs (and an Ender 3 made now has two of those, so why not just get rid of it and keep the V2?). Also why is the Ender 6 still listed when it isn't even being sold anymore?
It seems that Creality is trying to do better with their upscale K1. It has a much more finished appearance and user experience, but Creality still can't quite help being Creality so they fumbled the extruder design and some details like the drag chain. They also tried to lock down Klipper in violation to the licensing agreement. So far, it looks like Creality got enough right with the K1 that the community shouldn't have too much trouble finishing the design if Creality does its usual deal and doesn't address the shortcomings after the start of production.
I'm currently 3 prints into k1 max and loving it for now. Hope it keeps this quality up.
Still good?
@@Dale424 Yes it's still nice, I have printed like 10 kg filament+ and it's still going strong.
@@Kingenious nice good to know thanks. Prestige worldwide 🤝
Bought a P1S two weeks ago. I've been running it everyday for about 8 to 10 hours. I have not had one failed print. It's fast and so far quite reliable. As suggested by Bambu Lab, I clean the PEI sheet with warm dish soapy water and dry it before printing. The first layer has always been perfect. Myself, if I needed another printer I'd just buy another P1S.
My K1 Max is a beast. There's a couple of little things I didn't like in the firmware (they tried to make it easier for people) so I rooted it and changed what I didn't like. I get perfect first layers, perfect flow, and rarely a fail of any sort and then it's been my fault.
I was leaning to the K1 Max due to the proprietary software of Bambu and I thought the Max has a hotter nozzle temp for engineering materials?
@@bp3d106 The k1 max can do ALOT of stuff bamboo can't do. It seems that it's turning into a stupid apple vs android situation. If you're an idiot, get bamboo, if you don't mind a little tinkering to make things PERFECT get K1 Max. The fact is you can't change ANYTHING on the bamboo to suit your needs. Out of the box, yeah, it's a better experience but that experience is the best it's ever going to be unless they change it for you.
@@crazeokc you had me at "you can't change ANYTHING on the bamboo". That alone is the sales killer for me. I am currently figuring out which printer to get as my first printer but I would like the option to modify but not to the extend that you have to modify at the beginning just to get the first print out, like earlier printer versions had.
people are printing enclosure frames (not the enclosure design in bambu site) and hinges for the P1P and they either source and cut the acrylic or polycarbonate clear siding themselves or they order pre cut sides from a cnc shop. Then you can buy the bambu X1C glass roof/lid or use acrylic or polycarbonate for that too.
With the P1P developed as an open frame, bambu decided to omit the main circuit board cooling fan, which you would want add it enclosing it. You also want to add filtered exhaust especially if printing abs, which adds to the cost. And adding a cooling fan for the printed part for when using pla filament.
It adds up though and would be better to get the X1C to begin with (or the k1😐 although it's not for me). Printing enclosure is a good solution for people who already had a p1p though.
Really enjoyed this video. I am a complete 3D printing newbie and found it very informative. I just got my Bambu Labs P1P and looking forward to using it. Thanks for going through the side by side comparison.
So just a few things. I like open source. So p1p has a negative for on that. Also I really want a printer that only sends data to my local network. Nix the cloud. When bamboo has been around for more than 1 year I will also feel more comfortable about it being not open source. Parts need to be available for the foreseeable future. The AMS feature looks nice, but I understand it does not handle TPU(flexibles). I do a lot of that so the AMS is not a big seller for me. From what you have said. I do like the bed size,speed,thermal capabilities. But I am actually passing on most of these new fast printer. Give it another year and I will look again. :)
I print TPU on my X1 all the time. I connect it to a separate drybox and it's really good.
Take a look at something like a Sovol SV07. With the SV06 being fully open source, the chances are very good.
Your complaints are minuscule and I feel like are almost irrelevant. The warped print is probably user error. The big fact that Bambu is closed and you have to go through Bambu for anything and no customization or upgrades for the p1p. Everyone know what they’re getting with Creality.
Fair enough. Yup, those are just my opinions, of course.
You can print the ARC Bambu Lab P1P Enclosure to fully enclose the P1P, available on Printables. I don't own a 3D printer, wanting want for years but can't afford, just following 3D printer to keep myself updated...
Idk where you live but a kp3s gets you printing reasonably cheaply
.... thank goodness I went with bambu I was considering the k1 those problems would drive me insane
Just on a side note, although the k1 can't make use of ams it can use palette's multicolor system, including the 8 color system
Okay, so I was waiting for the K1 but after seeing the slicer and the ads, it's a hard NO. I'll buy their competitors now.
Those notification is enough to stop me from buying this printer, it’s such a shame I was really looking to get this but now after seeing so many negative reviews I guess I will just bite the bullet to get the Bambu X1C
I got the X1C one month ago, my fourth printer, the hype about that X1C is totally justifyed, you will not regret it.
Get the AMS to if you can find the money, I was unsure if I wanted it, I took it, and now I can´t imagine ever having a printer without it again.
I'm with Chris. The X1C has been a flawless workhorse and the AMS is better than I had imagined.
I have a K1 and its worked flawlessly so far.. Its weird that so many people have such different experiences with this printer.
And why is the Bowden tubing for the filament not inside the cable chain?? On my K1 the Tube is inside the cable chain with about 10cm at the extruder end not in the chain so there is no way the chain will get close to the gear extruder switch as the tubing stops it from getting near it.. Its like this on the official website page to give you an idea of what I mean.
They updated the machine from what I hear so if you got one more recently they have fixed alot of the issues on them.
All the gripes about the K1 pretty much seem to be resolved at this point. The Creality app can be replaced with any Klipper app as there is a way to open the machine up to run full Klipper rather than the messed about with version that ships with the printer. You can also run Prusa Slicer as there are profiles for the K1 available now. Also there are fixes for the extruder issues and cable chain problem available from Creality for those with early printers and printers shipping now appear to have the updates already there. The camera and LiDAR are also now shipping for the K1 and already installed in the K1 max. For me, although the P1P is a fine printer the enforced cloud integration and terrible privacy policy make it a none starter.
Bambu cloud and them using your stuff or selling it to third parties is a big no-no that mostly no one talks about. Creality seems to be solving their problems, but Bambu isn't.
Same for me, the privacy aspect eliminates the Bambu for me. I just ordered the K1 on the sale under $500. Ordered the upgrade nozzle as well and PEI bed.
There is a button on the Bambu printers right on the menu that asks if you want to use Lan Only. One click and everything stays in your home.
Just saw the K1 at Micro Center for $399. Really interested in getting one. I have the Ender 3 and AnkerMake M5 now.
@@n3rdoutmedia K1 firmware has been open sourced now so all the software gripes are essentially gone as you can now officially run full Klipper with associated phone app and good slicer integration. I have the K1 max which hasn't given me any issues. Make sure it is a recently manufactured machine if you buy one as the first batches had bad extruders but that is now fixed. Not as plug and play as P1P but has a good community and lots of good slicer setting available now. As you already have a couple of printers and have experience you won't have any problems setting up a K1.
Would love to hear an unbiased review. A lot of "For me" in there. Separating your opinion from the facts would be nice. Ultimately, you comparing a printer with an add-on to curb having to switch filaments is not a fair comparison..when, the add on is 300+ more than the printer you are comparing it to which is $100 LESS than the printer with that option. Newsflash, you are paying $100 more for an extra 56mm X/Y on the bed and the ability to spend MORE money to get a filament changer. This can be seen as a plus or a minus depending on your opinion, but not on the facts. It's a null fact. You pay more, you get more pretty simple, and *DING* not a "feature". At the bones level, the K1 is a better printer. By a lot? Nope. Both printers are great and have their own pluses. No need to Apple/Microsoft this just for clicks. Either one will suit you just fine.
I sit next to my printer (Ender 5 s1) and send jobs to it from Cura. I can see the bed is clean and clear from a £2.50 webcam too. I installed Klipper myself on a cheap Pi 3B+. It's not as fast as a K1 or P1P, but it sits idle for 16 hours a day anyway. I have no problem taking 30 seconds to swap a spool before a 12 hour print!
Full enclosure and directdrive is very important to me.
I can live with 220x220x250mm
I would use prusa slicer - everybody uses what works best for him.
Creality now sells cameras for the K1 - it's about €40 in Germany, available through a few retailers and Creality themselves.
This video really made me feel better about buying the P1S over the K1 - the P1S fixed basically all the issues you brought up with the P1P.
thanks for this video you definitely gave me some much needed insight on the k1 I already have a p1p but wanted to add more good to know I’ll just get an X1 in the future instead
Or now you can get the P1P to P1S upgrade kit, if desired, to make it fully enclosed, which is nice.
A few issues
1) most multi material printers don't have a poop chute. That doesn't tell us anything. I wouldn't hold my breath, but it is too early to rule out.
2) the k1 works with any slicer. The Creality slicer is just there for interfacing with Creality's cloud services.
3) you can absolutely change the notification settings in the Creality cloud app. Accounts tab> hexagon icon > notification.
4) nobody has a reason to care about 3 because it is a klipper printer. Just use the built in web interface like everyone else. The app is just for cloud slicing, or starting a print job from outside the home.
There are 3rd party ams competitors as well
Put printer in VPN and start print from outside the home.
@@pararera6394 yes, you can do that. For years. With Klipper or Octoprint.
Thank you for the review.
Something funny, I had the helmet concern but thought it was so niche and marginal nobody would care. Also didn't expected the small addition in volume to make just the right difference.
Again thanks, it's been a very helpful video.
Thank you for your review. I was wondering on buying one but didn’t know about the issue with adds.
The newer K1 version past August 2023 is fantastic, the app is still horrible but works. Just a lot of ads. Slicer is not an issue as you can run all of the major ones on the K1. The camera on the K1 is awesome and it is nice to monitor my print from work. The K1 Max is the perfect printer, just that crappy app…… Hopefully, when Creality completes it’s purchase of Bambu they will integrate their app.
I hope they don’t, they will ruin the bambu completely, the problem with creality products is that most of them are rushed in production and quality control is not the best, the k1 has potential but they still have to fix a lot of issues.
I was about to order the K1 so I really appreciate the honest and practical review.
Give it a few months, the problems on the early K1's seem to be getting sorted out in machines being sold now. Things like bad extruders and beds out of level together with a few other niggles seem have been fixed on machines being sent out now. Also there is already a jail break to open up full Klipper meaning you don't need to use the Creality app.
For $100 more, it's a no brainer.
Shame on you Creality.
Good video. The Creality app appears to be terrible. The cable chain is a relatively easy fix but it’s not something that a user should need to do and doesn’t inspire confidence. I also agree about the concern of longevity and your experience with the Bambu labs has been much better so that makes sense. We will see if Creality can improve on these criticisms and improve. They will need to.
Exactly. I really hope they do better over Time and they absolutely need to overhaul their app. Like I mentioned, the printer isn’t terrible but for the money you have superior options.
They'll only improve (if they do at all) with another version of the printer. Unfortunately, all users who didn't know Crealitys track record and bought one are shit out of luck.
What solution would there be for the chain cable that doesn't include removal?
@@arshaqhabib1932 - Replace the cheap cable chain with a good cable chain from Igus or similar. Better attachment points may also be needed on the back of the enclosure and the extruder. Remove the reverse Bowden tube from the cable chain, replace it with a larger ID PTFE tube for less drag, and attach the new tube at the rear of the enclosure, the input to the extruder and to the outside of the cable chain near the halfway point. None of these fixes are expensive or difficult, but admittedly, none of these fixes should be needed on a $600+ 3D printer. On the plus side, it seems that Creality got most of the difficult and expensive stuff right so K1 owners shouldn't need to completely rebuild a 3D printer to have reliable, fast, high quality 3D printing.
@@Liberty4Everfrom what it looked like, it wasn’t the quality of the chain that was causing the problems such as the switch being flicked. It seems as though it’s poor design. The chain is simp,y in the wrong place. Too low for the switch, for example.I would modify that slightly. But I have machine shops. I don’t know what anyone else could do.
I have a creality sermoon d1. After using it extensively for two months, the conclusion is to avoid it if you don’t enjoy slow and excruciating pain.
I am looking for reasons to cancel my preorder of the K1 but i dont really seem to find any, this sounds like a paid ad by bamboo lab tbh, most people dont use the app, i use sd card and i prefer to continue doing so, so the biggest issue is an app thats optional to use? Also the lever for the extruder, gosh, you were using so much force to open the gears with the worm thing, the only way that the cable guard or worm or whatever you call it, hits the extruder gear lock with such force is if the cable guard was sooo much stiff, and in that case a little lube would do the job; also.. what the hell was that test model? That same model wouldn't come out good in the p1p either, that was a model for a resin printer, that's why you only tested that model with the k1 but did not test the p1p, because you knew that model was not for any fdm printer .. so, still i will continue on my quest to find any good reason to cancel my preorder. Next time dont make it so obvious bamboo lab is paying you.
We each have our priorities and opinions, which is great. I can assure you I have zero affiliation with Bambu Lab, not even so much as an affiliate link, but if the K1 is a great fit for you am then that’s awesome. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it. It’s fast and a major upgrade from bed slinger printers.
I think the deal breaker for me with the Bambu Labs is the proprietary hot end/extruder
you can't get a 0.6mm E3D nozzle for example
I also personally would never use the app so the fact that it sucks isn't too much of a big deal for me
I would like to see more test print comparisons in this review
there are alot of clones already for bambu most using cht nozzles in them now
There are aftermarket hot ends that support V6 nozzles and review well. Personally like the OEM stuff too much to switch, but happy to have the option.
@@technicallyreal interesting. I'll have to look it up
I wish there were more in depth reviews of these printers
small issues you can fix in 5m are not too big of a deal for me and same with the crappy app
I'm just waiting for my max preorder... should have a lot of the nitpicking fixed but then I'll have an extra 3-400$ compared to the price of the x1 carbon to use for upgrades that matter
@@Kungpaoshizzi k1 max is 999 and the x1 is 1199 so 200 for 1449 u get ams
ADS in paid product are a gamebreaker for me as well. Thanks for the heads up.
If you didn't know, you can get a touch screen for the P1P/p1S called Panda Touch.
Thats why i got the Qidi X Max 3 3d Printer. Its running on Klipper. Works right out of the box with heated chamber for high temperature filaments. I like huge print volumes (325^3). I dont like proprietary stuff. I added 3dChameleon for the MMU.
WOW the Creality mobile app and notification situation there makes me never want to support Creality again. Absolutely disgraceful to subject paying customers to that!
Thanks for all the info, very helpful as I am in the market for CoreXY prebuilt
Creality don't sell the camera so far but they get a k1 package which includes LiDar, hotend, camera and filaments. Good to have these as spare parts for almost free.
I have watched several reviews on the Creality K1 MAX and although the reviews may be a bit different, most all of them have the same negative comments regarding the bombardment of ads, and because that seems to be the weak link I will purchase the Bambu Lab X1 carbon.
At 15 years old I bought a brand new Ender 3 v2 when it came out, kept it stock for a year. Then I bought a dual z axis, direct drive, and Creality box 2.0 kit. I can print at 500 speed with no degrade in quality. After the first layer I speed it up.
That’s absolute BS that the Creality app spams you even though you have paid for the product. Agreed, instant deal killer for me and hella cheeky to boot. Thanks for the reviews, it’s making this choice easier to make
True but the Bambu one shares all your CAD with china.
@@brandonwilson4090you know creality is also a Chinese company right
An fyi, the original design has the cable chain supported to NOT hit that switch, by what you ask? The bowden tube you removed :| But don't say it's about preventing extrusion problems if you don't even take the time to upgrade it to a capricorn.... :P And when you say metal frames, there's quite a difference between bambu's metal pieces screwed together, and the k1 die cast frame. Also, from what I'm seeing online, every bambu has a slight curve at the front of the bed, would love if you could test that one on each bed. I will say I'm not at all a fan of ads in menus for something I purchased. That's terrible
How do you like it now with the new update? Should give you a lot more options and stability...
I have been printing well on the K1, the only thing to do is remove a couple of links making sure the cables still encompass the build plate, it still makes a little contact but not much.
You compare the K1 with the P1P, but also consider the P1S. For just a bit more you get a closed system. That's the one I would go for after watching this video. Thanks!
Thx for rewiew, i was just thinkin witch one to buy. 👌🏻
Bambu lab is just a better choice. Creality has been in the top sellers of printers due to offering some decent well priced entry level machines but also market saturation flooding it with dozens of side models so their brand is most of what you see when you search. This sadly leads to severe stagnation in their engineering department the fact Bambu lab had to make their printers just so creality could copy the blueprint is laughable when you look at the lead creality has on BL being in the market. I know no one asked for this rant but I honestly do think creality deserves no customers point blank.
Even more so now, they are slowly becoming antiquated. During the days of bed slingers, and dual rails being a commodity, they shined. But they did not keep up with the times. They have slowly had their competition, and their knockoff producers catching up, if not beating them.
Really sad, as they have done so much for the community.
Check out the Xtouch screen addition for the P1P or P1S. Open source and no soldering required and inexpensive.
I had my heart set on the k1 but after watching your video I'm getting the p1p... Ty!
I will go with an p1p. Thank you. All other vid says there are good but I was not sure. Now I him😊
I really think you’ll love the P1P. Enjoy!
I don't really get comparing included slicers in a comparison. Pretty much any common printer can be configured to use common slicers.
Bambu Labs do have an enclosure kit for the P1P that is reasonably economical, or you have the P1S available now as an option that is pretty reasonable. Big Tree Tech have recently released a Panda Touch device that upgrades the P1P / P1S display now. Very worth while. I know, slightly extra cost, but worth while and still preferable to me over the Creality offering.
I believe, now ( 8 months later ) different slicers can be used with Bambu as profiles are now available, but I don't know off hand which ones are compatible. I think Slic3r and Orca work, but last I heard they don't support the AMS yet.
I have a K1 max, and a P1P and would recommend the Max. Out of the box is variable, mine has produced very good prints, others have had some issues. As an experienced troubleshooter and because Creality seems very willing to replace or to send replacement parts you can install and because you can get root access soon, it's really worthwhile IMO.
I'm returning mine.
I cant take this anymore. I'm going back to my ender 3
Are you a chinese bot? Noone recommend a Creality over a bambulab.
@ctgaming168 bambulab is Chinese. What's your point?
@@edenrabian1337 the point is Creality is dirtier in botting and paid ads to rando channel.
@ctgaming168 at the same time is better for hobbyists and tinkerers ,while using open source software with all its caveats, it is for a different audience. As much as I don't like Chinese markets as a whole and I don't have a soft spot for creality, I think they're better than bambu , only because bambu reminds me of Apple .
So basically, Creality still doesn't get it and along with that, with all the nonsense spamming they're effectively putting malware on your device. That said, from what I've heard, the P1P isn't on my short list either with how noisy it's supposed to be. The one video I saw, it sounded like the inside of some sort of metal factory.
They are noisy, it’s true. Like most things, different people have different priorities and the noise isn’t much of a factor for me since the printer is in another room with the door closed. The K1, for example, is really quite loud too but the enclosure helps a lot… At least when you can keep it all closed up 🤷
If you want a silent printer, you would have to choose a slower one, like a Sovol SV 06 or a Ender S1.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 I have the Ender 3 S1 Pro, the problem is it's too slow and the Auto Bed Leveling garbage. I had to to stop using it and just go manual and now I can get some prints but it always take 20 minutes or so to dial it in... and it's far from silent.
Put it on concert pavers and foam, and put it in a box for the price you're an idiot to complain
Chipo p1p/s screen kinda reminds you you've paid not enough to have a good touchscreen every time you look at it). Not the case with K1. Number of times you do calibrations and twicks standing next to the unit should not be underestimated. I got mine recently and it's got upgraded extruder and has a matte lever finish, not glossy as the one here and the chain can not unlock that lever at the leftmost corner, unless I push it with my fingers. I guess Creality just made the chain longer or smth. The biggest thing I hate is the noise(
Not trying to say anything bad but after watching this video I can tell you prefer the other printer over the K1 with how you are talking about it
P1P was $550 during black friday this year. Can't wait for it to arrive!
thank you for making this video, i am in agreement that the k1 isn't a pure winner yet. i wish it (and more importantly the k1 max) was.
However since you're stuck with one you should know something to help with your biggest issue.
You can ignore the creality app and use klipper's fluidd to use the printer remotely. On any phone, computer, or tablet.
People have made prints to lock the start of the cable chain to stop it from bending over if you haven't already fixed that..
One thing i never see k1 reviews talk about is the massive difference that rooting a k1 and going to a mainsail or fluidd operated klipper system with guppy screen. Having KAMP and z tilt make a huge difference on this machine. It also allows for real input shaping not the fake input shaping it ships with. It also allows you to use octo everywhere and get off the horrible creality app.
Am I the only one who thinks these profile shots are really weird?
App ideas for Crealitys future: Watch an ad to slice your files and print within 12 days. Spin a Wheel to save 5% material and more
I'm glad I watched this video before buying. Some ready good insights. Thanks
I have been printing well on the K1, the only thing to do is remove a couple of links making sure the cables still encompass the build plate, it still makes a little contact but not much.
LOL!
That cable chain with the switch problem is really a huge fault lol how did they not notice this at testing their product, if they did....???
Creality always gets SO close and yet manages to miss every single time. I got a K1 Max, but I work with a Bambu P1S and a Prusa XL. I also have a minimally modded Ender 3v2 and a couple of Ender 6s. Just buy the Bambu unless you want a project printer. And if you want a project printer, why not just build a Voron or a RatRig?
I believe they worked out the kinks which made me purchase one, I don't do cosplay or need to build life size helmets, just a hobbyist,
needing enclosed printer, prints fast, and easy to set up, I don't care for multi filament, if I need to change color, I can paint the
project. For the price it fits my budget for doing very little printing. I bought it because the reviews recently are much better
than it was in July. Thanks for being honest, it the K1 craps out, I will definitely let them know.
I am in the same boat as a hobbyist. I have only had one time where I thought multicolor would be cool and convenient, and that was when I was printing board game pieces as a gift for my sister. Currently thinking of upgrading to a K1 from my Ender 3. Is the app still terrible and full of ads? Even if it is, I would probably control the printer mainly through the web interface anyway. Are there any other things a fellow hobbyist should know about it from your experience?
It was easy to set up, enclosed, and small, which suited me for what I was doing printing small projects. I had to get the better extruder and the new hot end, plus
the nozzle kit for later knowing these ends will wear out and not give you good prints. Make sure to set the power on the side of the printer to 110 or 220, normally if you are in your room, 110 very important, also make
sure your printer is on that circuit by itself
because it draws a lot more printing than your TV or PC combined. Also take the tube
out of the feed tray, it hinders the feed of the filament. If you are patient and like to tinker with small tools and like problem solving. I would wait until after Christmas I know the price will be $400 or less. I would never buy one ever again, I am old and never used a 3d printer before and just don't have the time but I managed to learn in one day.@@RyanBoggs
I just got one the k1 and I haven’t had a problem yet,. But everyone has there opinion
Comment for Algorithm. Appreciate the video. Just bought my K1 as my main purpose is to print PC parts and for the price It's probably the better bang. I don't do models, just prototyping of parts and unfortunately I'd have to pay 1/3 more for the P1S to do the filaments that require more heat and stability in temperature control.
I was tempted for the AMS feature to add later, but it seems Creality is going to drop one for the K1 at some point and again since I mostly do parts my use case is not for it, but I can see it being nice for doing prints of the same part with different filaments for testing. I also like the large community Creality has if they do end up dumping the software as opensource it will get massively better. I've always thought proprietary is good and usually better, but doesn't last. Betamax and mini disk, so sad. P1P is pushing hard, but I'd like to see a longer time on market before I jump to them.
So idk if it's "supposed" to be this way, but my boden tube runs through that chain. I've never had any of the issues you mentioned. Hell, honestly, I haven't had most of the issues you mentioned personally (I'm not saying you're wrong, want to make that clear). The app doesn't give me ads like ever...yeah sure there are a bunch of notifications, but having been on the platform for quite awhile now, I feel like it happens so much because they're pushing pretty hard to build a community in and around the app (for better or worse).
To be fair, I haven't had the opportunity to use any Bambu printers and I won my K1 in a giveaway, on top of all of my printing experience outside of resin has been only Creality machines (E3 Pro, E3 S1 Pro, and K1). I wish I had more to compare to really, which is what brought me here in the first place. I was really curious why you didn't like it and was expecting an asshole elitist complaining, but I was pleasantly surprised, so thank you for that!
I like your points and your opinions! They are all fair and unbiased in my opinion, but maybe try feeding your boden through the chain, it might help lol!
What you don't talk about is Closed Source and the Bambu Lab products are tuned to work with, well, Bambu Lab filament and slicer. At $28 for 1kg that is about double what most filaments run and since Bambu Labs just takes from the community while attempting to build an 'Apple Mystic', if it cost more it must be better, right? When Creality decided to open the Klipper printers they are shipping I ordered a K1 to use while building a VZBot, one of the many Open-Source printers that have developed the 'Next Generation' 3D printers. I expect Creality to be marketing an AMS system for their 'Flag Ship' line shortly, it's China, and the Creality AMS will be ~$300.
You can't compare enclosed vs non-enclosed just because they are both cubes and both have Kipper software. The open printer can't handle materials needing 35c and above environment. These are like comparing a Mazda Miata to a Nissan Pickup.
I totally get what you’re saying but I see that very differently. A huge percentage of buyers don’t regularly use filaments that require an enclosure. In my experience and in talking with tons of people, it’s just not an issue for most folks. That said, if you do use higher temp materials, of course this comparison doesn’t really work, so you're absolutely right for those situations.
The 1kg of pla that comes with the P1P is enough to print the enclosure.
Returned my printer the next day. The Extruder gave me tons of issues. They're trying to make a "no tinker" machine but failed hard on this.
If you do the math correctly, you will find that the Creality is 27% smaller, which is closer to 1/4th, not 1/3rd.
Great video! Would have liked to see more print comparisons if possible. You hinted at it at the very end but didn't show the differences.
It's important to remember that if you need an app to set up and use a device, manufacturer can decide to make your product on usable at any point they want to force you to buy a new one. It can even be as simple as removing the app from the app store. That means if you break your phone, you have to throw your printer in the bin. This is why I like Prusas so much.
You talking about Bambulab? You do realize that you can print directly from an SD card? You can also set your printer in LAN mode so it bypasses the Cloud and prints directly from your network.
Honest review - respect!
Thanks so much for watching.
P1P is TWICE the price of the K1 where I live, lol
Just a note: Bambu Studio is actually open source.
Otherwise very informative video, I am happy I went with a P1P!
Thanks for the clarification on that!
Only open source because they were pressured to do it. They tried keeping it closed source, violating the APGL license.
@Lil Ape agreed bambu took their time (and probably only folded under pressure) to release their slicer. However, creality has been violating open source licenses for a long time with no consequences. Its basically on par for any Chinese company
Is it fully open now? Last I checked, Bambu released all the code that's based on Prusa Slicer, but was still holding tight the code that ran the "lidar" and the AI error checking.
They are still violating the PrusaSlicer license to this day.
What about warranty and customer support, which has better Creality or Bambu?
Question.... Did you ever sign the disclosure agreement with Bamboo?
The app its a clone for the early versions of AliExpress app for that reason share the same icons, same display adds and almost the same sections... what a shame for a print of that price!
Great video. I appreciate it especially because you bought the printers yourself. It seems like lots of people get more or less "bought".
"Creality's new K1" - aka "X1C did all the work, heres our cheap attempt at a copy." ahhh glad to see nothing has changed.
As the community of the K1 grows, especially the firmware is unlocked now, the K1 will continue to grow, 3 months in it's already improved vastly.
Bambu is closed source. I will never buy one. Color printing is nice but I really enjoy painting models so not a deal breaker.
Friend got a Bambu, I got the K1, he doesn’t use the AMS because it wastes several times the filament as the weight of the piece he’s printing. Gobbles entire spools printing a 6” character, leaves a pile behind to the printer so you need an additional few inches behind it to set up a wastebin. I was so jazzed for it until I saw that, and saw how during filament changes it can shift the print over and you wasted days and spools
Some places sell the k1 with a 200 dollar discount. Is it worth it for that price point?
A fair comparison would've been with the k1 MAX, not the normal one.. Is this post creality update?
As an owner of a creality cr-10 smart ... this RUclipsr touches all the points from creality, he knows what he is talking about 💯
Just had my P1P delivered, and now, thanks to this video, I have ZERO buyer's remorse!
is the app for the p1p over LAN or can you use it from farther away?
Same lol
Fortunately it’s cloud based, so you don’t have to be on the same network.
It’s such a solid machine. You’re gonna love using it!
Have had my P1P for a few months... It's an unstoppable tank of a printer. Huge fan of new tech but the P1P is easily my favorite purchase of the last few years. There's not even a close second
The bambu lab p1p is literally 3 times the price of the K1 in my country, huge oof