Do Ellen White's writings belong in the Bible? Were Seventh-day Adventist doctrines made up by her?

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  • @douglasmason977
    @douglasmason977 3 месяца назад +3

    I'm a Seventh Day Adventist. No her words do not belong in the Bible. Why would you think that "we" say that?? In her writings, she expands on the glory of The Lord. Doesn't take away from the Bible or add anything. But what she does do, is helps the reader see the love of Jesus in such a way that helps us fall in love with The Son of God & the only way to The Father, is through The Son, Jesus.

    • @mikhailhunter5277
      @mikhailhunter5277 3 месяца назад

      You only read the title and thumbnail then wrote a comment huh?
      You didn't watch the video...
      The video creator is SDA btw, I think he's targeting critics.

    • @douglasmason977
      @douglasmason977 3 месяца назад

      @@mikhailhunter5277 Didn't need to watch your opinion video. Already know what she says

    • @mikhailhunter5277
      @mikhailhunter5277 3 месяца назад

      ​​@@douglasmason977You're misunderstanding my comment brother.
      The video creator is agreeing with you, he's not saying EGW writings belong in the Bible and he says pretty much what you said in your original comment.
      That's why I said you went by title and thumbnail and didn't actually watch the video before you commented.
      The video creator Benjamin is SDA
      And I'm SDA
      I think the video thumbnail and title was created for critics of our faith.

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 3 месяца назад +1

      Ellen added to scripture and contradicted scripture and contradicted herself on all subjects. Do you believe Christians are on probation and under investigation of their character for salvation? That’s pure Ellen error.

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 3 месяца назад +1

      Do you think we can’t read? Do you think we don’t know Adventist history? The White Estate was hacked. The dirty secrets revealed. Ellen was a train wreck human. You have been lied to. Christians don’t have a prophet. Ellen pontificated that she was more important than biblical prophets because she was given “ present truth.” There is no present truth. God spoke through his Son and that was enough.

  • @laura-loves-god
    @laura-loves-god 3 месяца назад +3

    I worshipped with the Adventists for 7 years - I was truly woken up to the truth about God through Professor Walter Veith's Total Onslaught series and for that I will always be truly grateful. I was baptised by the Adventists and I went to church every Sabbath without fail, but I never felt comfortable with Ellen White's writings. I always felt I should be reading God's word instead of someone else's interpretation of it and because I spent my time studying scripture, I didn't have time to read anything else. It used to upset me how other Adventists would spend whole Sabbaths arguing about what Ellen White said and I used to think: who cares what she thought, what does the Bible say on the matter. It also used to amaze me that they could give long sermons on Sola Scriptura and then fill the whole sermon with quotes from Ellen White and very often they put her writings above the Bible. When I used to question them on why they called her 'spirit of prophecy' when the Bible says that the testimony of JESUS is the spirit of prophecy, they said that her writings were the writiings of Jesus! This is blasphemy in my humble opinion. As for Ellen White being a prophet, we are told in Hebrews 1:1-2 - "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son....."
    I understand that to say we have the words of Jesus now, we don't need prophets. Are Adventists calling the Bible a liar?
    And, with regard to the book The Great Controversy, Adventists are constantly giving these out all over the world, oftentimes to people that don't even have the Bible. Shouldn't we, as Christians, be giving out Bibles? God speaks through His word, it's no ordinary book and yet the Adventists seem to think people need someone else's writings more than God's word. This is a great shame. I think the Adventists have a lot of truth (notice I said a lot, and not all), but they spoil it with their slavish adherence to Ellen White and her writings.

    • @KeyofDavid5778
      @KeyofDavid5778 3 месяца назад

      I went 9 years to Seventh-day Adventist school and nobody ever taught me Satan comes first as Paul teaches in 2nd Thessalonians 2 verses 1 through 4 Antichrist comes first.
      He comes at the 6th trumpet Revelation 13:18 he comes on a white horse Revelation 6:2 at the 6th trumpet Revelation 6:12 Jesus Christ comes up the 7th trumpet Revelation 1911 don't be fooled otherwise most people are going to follow Satan is it states in Revelation 13:3 and Revelation 13:8 except if your name is written in the Book of Life of lamb slain and you know that the Devil comes first.
      Revelation 20 is very clear those people that follow Satan will be spiritually dead for the Thousand Year Millennium and in verse 5 and 6 it states that God's elect will be teachers and Priests with God and Christ teaching all those who were missed taught by fake teachers and who didn't know Jesus Christ real teachings in parables.
      Biblestudyforlife. com
      Check out the teaching of the two white horses or Revelation chapter 6 or Revelation chapter 13. God bless you

    • @AtomWosoe
      @AtomWosoe 2 месяца назад +1

      Nicely explained ,thankyou

    • @KeyofDavid5778
      @KeyofDavid5778 2 месяца назад

      @@laura-loves-god 2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
      2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
      2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds
      youtube.com/@keyofdavid5778?si=SiYCb6T8D-637yS7

    • @KeyofDavid5778
      @KeyofDavid5778 2 месяца назад +1

      @@AtomWosoe those are my exact thoughts why are we reading Ellen G white books when we should be reading the Bible as God is a spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth John 4:24

  • @SALVADORAN1
    @SALVADORAN1 3 месяца назад +1

    That’s True Bro
    God Bless You Brother !!

  • @Cristo-yx1fb
    @Cristo-yx1fb 3 месяца назад +3

    Since the bible interprets itself why need anything or anyone else? You people have nothing to be proud of...no amount of extra biblical material can explain anything other that what had been written - 2 Peter 1: 3 - 4. If the Bible is complete why then need EG WHITE?

    • @KeyofDavid5778
      @KeyofDavid5778 2 месяца назад

      @@Cristo-yx1fb well said 2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
      2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
      2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds

  • @KeyofDavid5778
    @KeyofDavid5778 3 месяца назад

    We're not supposed to judge other people..... God is the judge but did she teach the doctrines in Parables of Jesus Christ ?
    2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
    2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
    2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
    God doesn't like it if you don't teach his Doctrine in Parables like Lazarus and the rich man ... Lazarus is on the right side of the gulf in Abraham's bosom with Jesus where the rich man is on the left side of the Gulf being tormented .
    Nobody's asleep in the grave our father is a God of the living not a Hod of the Dead!
    To be absent from this body is to be present with the Lord 2 Corinthians 5:8.
    God only approved of two churches the Church of Smyrna and the Church of Philadelphia as in Revelation 2:9 in Revelation 39 so clearly states if you're not teaching with those two churches taught God's not happy.
    I'm not here to judge any church but denominational churches if you look the word up denomination means division God doesn't want his word divided he wants you to be a Christian and follow his teachings in parables.
    To the Church in Philadelphia
    Rev 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
    Rev 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
    Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
    Men's and women's writings and teachings make the word of God void.
    Mrk 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
    Mrk 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
    Mrk 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
    Mrk 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
    Mrk 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
    Mrk 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
    Mrk 7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
    Mrk 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
    I want to 7 years of Seventh-day Adventist school and nobody ever taught me that Satan comes first as Paul teaches in 2nd Thessalonians 2 verses 1 through 4.
    Nobody ever taught me that the Earth is older than 6,000 years old as second Peter 3:5 says don't be willingly ignorant that the world that was was perished with water there was two floods the great flood at the katabole or the foundation of the world and Noah's flood.
    Mat 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
    The Parable of the Weeds Explained
    Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
    Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
    Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
    Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
    Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
    If you look up the word foundation in an original doctor Strong's Concordance it means the overthrow of Satan when he stole 1/3 of God's angels k a t a b o l e
    G2602 (Strong)
    καταβολή
    katabolē
    kat-ab-ol-ay'
    From G2598; a deposition, that is, founding; figuratively conception: - conceive, foundation.
    Total KJV occurrences: 11.

  • @Cristo-yx1fb
    @Cristo-yx1fb 3 месяца назад +3

    What are non Canonical prophets? Jesus did not write anything - bad comparison.

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 3 месяца назад

      Jesus of Nazareth is a king - priest who established a new covenant based upon better promises, and established a new and better law. Hebrews 7:11-12 is crystal clear that whenever the priesthood is changed the law is changed. “
      Adventists are not new covenant Christians; Adventists are old covenant believers.” - Walter Rea. Walter was a hardcore Ellenist who was a devoted fan boy and an Adventist pastor. He wrote the White Lie when he discovered that Ellen was a literary thief. Ellen’s bookmakers, Fanny Bolton and Marian Davis were overwhelmed with guilt when they discovered they were part of a conspiracy to defraud the public. Ellen didn’t write any of the books with her name on them but she demanded the highest royalties. Fanny ended up in an insane asylum and Marian starved herself to death. Adventism is an abomination that Jesus loathes.

    • @Cristo-yx1fb
      @Cristo-yx1fb 3 месяца назад +1

      @@rayray4192 Shalom "ray ray", thank you for the info. I have scrutinized their literature for many years. I am now 65 years of age and it is encouraging to see someone else stand for the truth exposing the SDA - They are just like the JW's...always covering up their errors, date settings, plagiarism and lies...

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Cristo-yx1fb imagine being so vile that you pontificate that born again Christians will be damned for the day of the week that they gather to worship their Lord? Of course Adventist Pharisees don’t think apostate Protestants are Christians.

    • @Elizabeth-rk3do
      @Elizabeth-rk3do 3 месяца назад +2

      Ellen White was a false prophetess. She spoke blasphemies. 😢
      I'm glad that I don't need to believe anything that Ellen White said to get into heaven.
      Jesus Christ said, Follow me.

    • @rayray4192
      @rayray4192 3 месяца назад

      @@Elizabeth-rk3do you mean you don’t have to perfectly replicate the character of Jesus and play wannabe Jew every Saturday? You mean Ellen was wrong when she pontificated that humans must be reconciled to God by faith in Christ plus obedience to Mosaic law? You mean a sinner can have assurance of salvation at the moment of repentance and faith in Jesus Christ and his complete and final atonement at Calvary?

  • @kenyoung4610
    @kenyoung4610 3 месяца назад

    A lot of Adventist critics tend to argue or think that most of the church doctrines revolve around the great controversy theme as defined by Ellen White.

    • @19818456
      @19818456 3 месяца назад +1

      That's 💯 true😂 😢

  • @chucktrent187
    @chucktrent187 3 месяца назад +4

    How many times did ellen say the LORD will return on a specific day and time? She was WRONG many times.

    • @PastorFeagan
      @PastorFeagan  3 месяца назад +2

      @@chucktrent187 ugh no. She never specified a date and time. Idk what you are reading 📚

    • @elijahrodgers416
      @elijahrodgers416 3 месяца назад +1

      Not once.

    • @jlewis8145
      @jlewis8145 3 месяца назад

      @@PastorFeagan Despite her failures in 1844 and 1845, Mrs. White continued predicting Christ's imminent return. She and James appear to have adopted Joseph Bates' prediction that the Day of Atonement would last seven years, and Christ would return in the fall of 1851.2
      Mrs. White was soon having visions supporting Bates' flawed view. She had a vision on Nov. 18, 1848 (in Dorchester), and Bates published a transcript of it in his book, The Seal of the Living God, in 1849:
      The time of trouble has commenced, the reason why the four winds have not been let go, for the saints are not all sealed...
      According to this vision, the time of trouble was in progress in 1849 and the sealing process was underway. Bates joined his voice with Ellen White and announced in the same book that the "time of trouble has began."
      In the summer of 1849, a cholera epidemic struck American cities leaving hundreds of people dead. Mrs. White apparently saw this event as an end-time fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy of "pestilences" and other events which were the "beginning of sorrows" (Matt. 24:7-8). She instills terror in her readers with a graphic prediction of soon being surrounded with dead bodies:
      What we have seen and heard of the pestilence, is but the beginning of what we shall see and hear. Soon the dead and dying will be all around us.3
      Not long after this prophecy was penned the epidemic ended and the United States entered a period of relative peace and prosperity that lasted for many years. The above line was removed when the passage was republished 33 years later in Early Writings (1882). Today, thanks to the foresight of those who quietly deleted it, few Seventh-day Adventists are aware of this inspired prophecy.
      In January of 1849, Mrs. White shared another one of her visions:
      I saw some, looking too far off for the coming of the Lord. Time has continued on a few years longer than they expected, therefore they think it may continue a few years more, and in this way their minds are being led from present truth, out after the world.4
      In this vision Mrs. White saw it was wrong for some to think the coming of the Lord was yet a few years off. This shows her visions taught her that the Lord's coming would be sooner than "a few years." How many years are "a few" years? Two? Three? Five? It has now been 175 years! Ironically, the believers she criticized for not expecting the imminent return of Christ were actually correct, while she was wrong.
      In March of 1849, Mrs. White wrote to Sister Hastings describing how the time left before Christ's return is so "short" that it can be described as "a few more days."
      A few more days here in toil and then we shall be free. Time is short; let us hold fast unto the end.5
      ****
      On March 24, 1849, Mrs. White had a vision of an unnamed man:
      I saw that this person was a vessel of wrath fitted for destruction, reserved for the seven last plagues...6
      That man died long ago without ever experiencing the "seven last plagues" as Mrs. White predicted from what she "saw" in vision. This is another definitive proof her visions are false.
      *****
      In the August 1, 1849, issue of the Review, Mrs. White reminds her readers that the sealing time is in progress:
      Satan is now using every device in this sealing time... I saw that Satan was at work in these ways to distract, deceive, and draw away God’s people, just now in this sealing time.
      By April of 1850, Mrs. White was claiming that the final shaking had begun:
      The mighty shaking has commenced.7
      Meanwhile, her husband James was claiming that the departure of God's people from Babylon (Rev. 18:4) was already completed:
      Babylon, the nominal church is fallen. God's people have come out of her. She is now the 'synagogue of Satan' (Rev. 3:9). 'The habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird' (Rev. 18:2).8
      On June 27, 1850, Mrs. White wrote that only a few months remained for the people to get ready:
      My accompanying angel said, 'Time is almost finished. Get ready, get ready, get ready.' . . . now time is almost finished. . . and what we have been years learning, they will have to learn in a few months.9
      This is a very significant statement. Mrs. White was saying that the Adventist doctrines that she and her associates had spent five years learning would have to be learned by new converts in only a few months.
      By September of 1850, Mrs. White was warning that the sealing was almost completed and Jesus was nearly finished with His work in the Most Holy Place:
      I saw that the time for Jesus to be in the most Holy place was nearly finished, and that time cannot last but a very little longer. ... The sealing time is very short and soon will be over.10
      After the failure of Christ to return in 1851, it was not long before some Adventists set a new date of 1854. Mrs. White claimed in 1854, "I was shown the shortness of time."11
      Who would have shown her something that turned out to be totally false? Not God! After it became apparent Jesus was not returning in 1854, she reportedly saw that "the time would pass."12
      www.nonegw.org/criticd.shtml

    • @KeyofDavid5778
      @KeyofDavid5778 3 месяца назад

      ​@@PastorFeaganthey said Jesus Christ was going to come... October 2nd 1844 look it up they said Jesus was coming then Ellen White was one of the founding people from The Seventh-Day Adventist Church.

    • @KeyofDavid5778
      @KeyofDavid5778 3 месяца назад

      @PastorFeagan What happened in 1844 in SDA?
      By 1844, over 100,000 people were anticipating what Miller had called the "Blessed Hope". On October 22 many of the believers were up late into the night watching, waiting for Christ to return and found themselves bitterly disappointed when both sunset and midnight passed with their expectations unfulfilled.​

  • @charnelallan7159
    @charnelallan7159 3 месяца назад +2

    She has failed the test of a prophet.
    #18 on ur FUNDAMENTAL beliefs proves ur being dishonest

    • @andrewthomas8536
      @andrewthomas8536 3 месяца назад

      She didn't. Read Revelation 12:17. The dragon has no problem with you.
      Galatians 5:20. Your strife is a deed of the flesh.

    • @KeyofDavid5778
      @KeyofDavid5778 3 месяца назад

      ​@@andrewthomas8536Or that Satan comes first is Paul teaches in 2nd Thessalonians 2 1 through 4 nobody flies in the air in 1st Thessalonians 4 verse 16 and 17. Are in the Greek is word number 109 its breath of life or spiritual body.
      That's the Rapture teaching in Rapture was invented in 1835 from Margaret McDonald.
      Revelation 6:2 is very clear Satan comes on a white horse with a bow in his head if you look up the word bow it's word 5115 in the Greek which means Shekinah Glory fake toxin rainbow and this is where people need to look up the words of the KJV Bible in original doctor Strong's Concordance because it was translated from Greek in the New Testament and Hebrew and Arabic in the old Testament.
      I went to 9 years of SDA school and wasn't taught the word of God I was taught man's teachings and traditions which are gone over in Mark 7th 9 to 13.
      Biblestudyforlife. com
      Or Www.shepherdschapel. com
      Is what I've been studying for the last 22 years which is the true word of God reading the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse as Isaiah 28:10 and 13 state. God bless you

  • @qanaqa33174
    @qanaqa33174 3 месяца назад +1

    Keep lying the sins are yours to be accounted for.

    • @elijahrodgers416
      @elijahrodgers416 3 месяца назад

      If you reject God's moral law, reject the seventh day Sabbath, reject Christ perfect sacrifice, believe in in Christ preforming a second atonement, believe that humans are immortal just like the Buddhist believe you are not a Bible Believer.

    • @qanaqa33174
      @qanaqa33174 3 месяца назад +2

      @@elijahrodgers416 sorry you don't read the bible nor understand it's context... Christ Jesus is the Rest not a day. If you believe that the 4th command is a moral law then specifically SHOW me any where in the NT that Jesus, his disciples or the apostles said to keep a "DAY"? without butchering the scripture you can't. Don't make a day as guarantee your salvation.
      When you read into bible verses you get so many interpretation, no wonder there are thousands of domination everyone claiming they have the truth.

    • @jlewis8145
      @jlewis8145 3 месяца назад

      @@elijahrodgers416 The human soul or spirit is that part of a man or woman that is not physical. The soul is central to the personhood of a human being. It is the “true self”-who a person really is. The soul is the center of life, feeling, thought, and action in a human being.
      Without a doubt the human soul is immortal. That is, the soul is not subject to death. Once created, the soul never ceases to exist but is everlasting. The soul is spiritual and thus has the quality of immortality. In contrast, the body is physical; the earthly body we now possess is subject to death.
      The immortality of the soul is clearly seen in many places in Scripture. For example, in Psalm 23:6 David says, “I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.” In Ecclesiastes 12:7 the Preacher mentions two things that happen at death: “The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.” In 2 Corinthians 5:8 Paul says that to be “absent from the body” is to be “present with the Lord”. All these passages indicate that the soul is immortal.
      www.gotquestions.org/human-soul-mortal-immortal.html

    • @KeyofDavid5778
      @KeyofDavid5778 2 месяца назад

      @@qanaqa33174 Amen to those strong truthful words God doesn't like denominational churches denominations mean division is Paul explains.
      Divisions in the Church
      1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
      1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
      In the way you said that Sabbath is not a day of the week is so clearly outlined in Colossians 2:14 to 16 to not make a religion out of what you eat or drink or a day of the week or of the Sabbath days.
      Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
      Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
      Let No One Disqualify You
      Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
      The law stays the same but the ordinances were changed after the blood of Jesus Christ which Jesus became our Passover 1st Corinthians 5:8 Passover is the High Sabbath Sabbath in Hebrew chapter 4 means rest Sabbath equals rest not a day of the week

    • @KeyofDavid5778
      @KeyofDavid5778 2 месяца назад

      @qanaqa33174 Divisions in the Church
      1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
      1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
      God doesn't want his word divided he doesn't like denominational churches denomination means division.
      Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
      Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
      Let No One Disqualify You
      Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
      2nd Colossians 2 verses 14 through 16 is very clear don't make a religion out of the food you eat or drink or a day of the week or the Sabbath days