I immensely appreciate seeing a video from someone outside the community that doesn't come off as immature or just a bad joke. Thank you for making this video!
This is all just simple math. Take BPM and divide it by rhythmic interval: by 10 in 24th streams by 15 in 16th streams by 20 in 12th streams by 30 in 8th streams etc, etc, etc. The fastest bursts I've personally seen are 24 APS (arrows per second) such as the drills in Whazashmup. The fastest burst stream (longer than a burst, shorter than a stream) I've personally seen are 20 APS such as the end of Rise Up. The fastest long term stream (4+ seconds) hasn't really eclipsed 17 or 18 APS, but that's still really damn fast.
Some songs such as egoism 440 have 880 steps a minute with added 1/16ths (i.e. An extra step between the regular run, at a rate of 1760 steps per minute)
ugh, my problem is that every arcade I can go to, there's been so many idiots stomping on the pads I have to hit the pads with the full wieght of my feet in the center, very damn annoying cause the faster songs get damn exhaunsting
If you play Pump it gets worse. The pump pads actually say STOMP on the panels for some reason, encouraging people to stomp on them. They get sunken in and you have to make medium to large movements to get to them. Not to mention, there is no cushion once theyve been stomped down so flat, making you even more tired.
damn, are in the groove players gonna rise up against us etterna players? it has come to the point were rotating your feet will become faster than fingers
I would not step softly on the ddr arcade pads, as most of them in USA (including DDR A) happen to be under or over sensitive, forcing you to stomp on them especially for freeze arrows.
Last time I touched a DDR machine was in old orchard beach, and I had to hit damn hard for the arrows to register Could barely pass DAIKENKAI on standard, and I was already super tired after only 2 songs Their ITG machine had much softer pads though, probably because DDR gets more recognition than ITG so people play the former more (Yes they got both DDR and ITG)
Euphoria on ITG has those ridiculous 1/16ths for 1120 steps per minute, but that is not even close to the craziness that is egoism 440 with quarter steps in a 440bpm song for an absolutely insane 1760 per minute or 29.3/s
HELL YES SAVE POINT!!! Thank you ERIC HOLNIKER! You're still the most awesomeness of awesome there is bro! And thank you CNLohr for helping make In The Groove! And with Eric being in cahoots with the RoXoR ITG team before it's officiaI release, somehow, him and I ended up playing one of the very first DDR converted In the Groove machines in America ((after)) it's official release!! We had YEARS of fun and both even got on the producers credits for helping better code misc patches and make graphics for Stepmania 4! We also both made separately, and in concert, incredible step charts and songs that went on to be really great! Especially Eric's stuff! I even won the 3rd prize for the first Stepmania contest! It was the time of my life and I was really big into it back in 2005 and the years surrounding it and could go faster than these guys do in these videos. However they're minimal muscle technique looks better than how I ever got, which tells me that these guys are capable of much higher speeds than this. Trust me!! I was once a part of these people, but there were a group that was a Tier above me which I could only come close to reaching, which in that term is like where as I would get a 98% on an expert high BPM song, they would get a 99% and if you know ITG, THAT is a HUGE difference. I could never quite get the minimal muscle technique to work for me very well. Some say it helps considerably just to have to correct kind of flat shoes like in this video. :) well! I miss those days! And I still love you all, the entire ITG/DDR/PUMP Community forever!
I thought you were apart of the production team for RoXoR.. Or at least apart of some production community for dance games. Or were you a famous player? Cause back when ITG first started I saw the name CNLohr everywhere.
Ah!!! That what it was. Either way I'm glad to have been apart of the greatest, most invigorating thing of my life! Looks like we both worked on Stepmania though! SM4 was a wiiiiieerrrrdd undertaking, what with the constant direction changes it took a long time to come out. I worked with (Katze) who assigned me 3D work and (DarkChao i.e Eric) who we both made 2D art coding. I was the one that made the model and textures for the improved 3D Model Dance floor that would wave around (helped code some of that X+Y+Z axis changes as well. And some other stuff like background graphics. It's all a joint project and am happy to have helped since it's still the greatest video game series of all time! Dance games literally destroy the boundaries between video games and physical games! TRUE Motion gaming! Bless you all!
man I'm doing rhytm games since I was 8 that's fucking dedication, pro at guitar hero, OSU!,PIU, DDR, dance maniax and other. THATS LOVE FOR LIFE MAN. Like, I'd ask these people, how can u play counter strike all day? I CAN STEP ON DA MAT WHOLE LIFE
crackervirus This is incorrect. Bracketing specifically refers to placing your feet over the “brackets” of the panels, such that each foot lays over 2 of the panels, so you can play through a song without even moving your legs. While it’s good for conserving energy, it comes at a cost of precision and timing.
As 10 other people pointed out already, Mad Matt is known troughout the ITG community as the player with the best footspeed. Here's a link. Also, the last song, Cold Pizza, that they are playing is a level 17, if I'm not mistaking. Mad Matt can play up to level 21. /watch?v=4AWX4WToFAI
I never had a pad that could register arrow presses with my feet so close the center of the pad. It seems weird being able to dance with such minute leg movements. It's almost like they're not even touching the arrows. But that's the only way to be super fast.
Songs get harder and harder each rhythm game series that comes out, in DDR I use to be scared of Max 300 and Max Unlimited on Expert back in the day now its a cake walk, as of 2017 the hardest song in Pump It Up is Paradoxx Double 28 and DDR Ace the Hardest Song in my opinion is Egoism Challenge Doubles. Watch 2 - 3 years from now Paradoxx and Egoism will no longer be considered as tough anymore. Lol :D
You have to be sooooo fast in PIU. That's way too hard for me. I'd hurt my feet really easily. I stick to Stepmania, which some maps on there would probably be impossible if you used the step pad.
But beautiful machine and I've been following your project / making it with leds and whatnot and I praise u all for that .. idk I'm just a person that plays normally and don't do the whole using the middle technique is all ... Maybe that's why I can't go past 10 footers idk ... Maybe I need to start trying it ..
Yeah but they only play in the middle to conserve energy cuz u can't to the song normally , And if u can't do the song normally with the transitions / crossovers then your not really playing in my opinion your cheating the game plus not to mention the whole them raping the bar , Cuz they would not even be able to balance ... When U can do that song without the bar and do the full crossovers and transfers / transitions then come talk to me ..
Ooooo look at u. . . Mr thinks he's tough shit at DDR , your not bruh , your Fuckin clown shoes if u think it's about competition and clearly u don't even know why I play and also fucktard yes i can dumbass do 10s and 12s and shit ... i just don't because it's not worth it and I'm not trying to prove shit to anyone , I'll do a few every once and awhile. .. But I'm not a spaz like u all r ...
+Roger Hammond funny how u dumb fucks are still tripping over a comment from 2 years ago in December , Bwahahahaha .... Thanks for making me laugh again ....
I don't think it's fair to judge someone's playstyle, everyone plays the way they want to play. But you do realize that even "bar raping" players can generally play songs about two blocks lower in difficulty without the bar, and have a good grasp on techniques like crossovers and BPM changes?
I immensely appreciate seeing a video from someone outside the community that doesn't come off as immature or just a bad joke. Thank you for making this video!
This is all just simple math. Take BPM and divide it by rhythmic interval:
by 10 in 24th streams
by 15 in 16th streams
by 20 in 12th streams
by 30 in 8th streams
etc, etc, etc.
The fastest bursts I've personally seen are 24 APS (arrows per second) such as the drills in Whazashmup. The fastest burst stream (longer than a burst, shorter than a stream) I've personally seen are 20 APS such as the end of Rise Up. The fastest long term stream (4+ seconds) hasn't really eclipsed 17 or 18 APS, but that's still really damn fast.
Studying us like we're animals or something lmao
Beasts for sure!
Humans are also animals tho
This is nearly a decade old btw
People have only gotten faster and its insane to watch. I highly recommend watching high level itg/ddr
Indeed! It is amazing how much further people have been able to push possible.
This is amazing. I love the analysis and that doubles are included. Deserves way more than thirteen hundred views.
I love how the arrow panels are completely transparent and the lights shine through
If Mad Matt happens to be near me when I have a high speed camera, I will totally video him, too!
1:25 "720 steps a second"
woah
Some songs such as egoism 440 have 880 steps a minute with added 1/16ths (i.e. An extra step between the regular run, at a rate of 1760 steps per minute)
1:25
ugh, my problem is that every arcade I can go to, there's been so many idiots stomping on the pads I have to hit the pads with the full wieght of my feet in the center, very damn annoying cause the faster songs get damn exhaunsting
OMG my worst nightmare when playing ddr
If you play Pump it gets worse.
The pump pads actually say STOMP on the panels for some reason, encouraging people to stomp on them.
They get sunken in and you have to make medium to large movements to get to them. Not to mention, there is no cushion once theyve been stomped
down so flat, making you even more tired.
main reason why playing ddr isn't even fun at arcades anymore
ugh its like playing on a god damn soft pad at home
damn, are in the groove players gonna rise up against us etterna players?
it has come to the point were rotating your feet will become faster than fingers
bruh just play index charts
but yeah pretty much, if you watch krushrpants or aeoreo play
I would not step softly on the ddr arcade pads, as most of them in USA (including DDR A) happen to be under or over sensitive, forcing you to stomp on them especially for freeze arrows.
I can't wait for the Impulse Platforms to come out!
Last time I touched a DDR machine was in old orchard beach, and I had to hit damn hard for the arrows to register
Could barely pass DAIKENKAI on standard, and I was already super tired after only 2 songs
Their ITG machine had much softer pads though, probably because DDR gets more recognition than ITG so people play the former more
(Yes they got both DDR and ITG)
That's a nice Initial D 3 cab.
i was worried i was the only one who'd recognize it
@@ephemera-noctourniquet Why.
Agreed.
Euphoria on ITG has those ridiculous 1/16ths for 1120 steps per minute, but that is not even close to the craziness that is egoism 440 with quarter steps in a 440bpm song for an absolutely insane 1760 per minute or 29.3/s
HELL YES SAVE POINT!!! Thank you ERIC HOLNIKER! You're still the most awesomeness of awesome there is bro! And thank you CNLohr for helping make In The Groove! And with Eric being in cahoots with the RoXoR ITG team before it's officiaI release, somehow, him and I ended up playing one of the very first DDR converted In the Groove machines in America ((after)) it's official release!! We had YEARS of fun and both even got on the producers credits for helping better code misc patches and make graphics for Stepmania 4! We also both made separately, and in concert, incredible step charts and songs that went on to be really great! Especially Eric's stuff! I even won the 3rd prize for the first Stepmania contest! It was the time of my life and I was really big into it back in 2005 and the years surrounding it and could go faster than these guys do in these videos. However they're minimal muscle technique looks better than how I ever got, which tells me that these guys are capable of much higher speeds than this. Trust me!! I was once a part of these people, but there were a group that was a Tier above me which I could only come close to reaching, which in that term is like where as I would get a 98% on an expert high BPM song, they would get a 99% and if you know ITG, THAT is a HUGE difference. I could never quite get the minimal muscle technique to work for me very well. Some say it helps considerably just to have to correct kind of flat shoes like in this video. :) well! I miss those days! And I still love you all, the entire ITG/DDR/PUMP Community forever!
I really didn't do much anything for ITG. But 4-arrow dancey games are pretty sweet.
I thought you were apart of the production team for RoXoR.. Or at least apart of some production community for dance games. Or were you a famous player? Cause back when ITG first started I saw the name CNLohr everywhere.
I did a lot of release help and such for StepMania and handled some bugs. But mostly I did the networking and online portions.
(With axlecrusher)
Ah!!! That what it was. Either way I'm glad to have been apart of the greatest, most invigorating thing of my life! Looks like we both worked on Stepmania though! SM4 was a wiiiiieerrrrdd undertaking, what with the constant direction changes it took a long time to come out. I worked with (Katze) who assigned me 3D work and (DarkChao i.e Eric) who we both made 2D art coding. I was the one that made the model and textures for the improved 3D Model Dance floor that would wave around (helped code some of that X+Y+Z axis changes as well. And some other stuff like background graphics. It's all a joint project and am happy to have helped since it's still the greatest video game series of all time! Dance games literally destroy the boundaries between video games and physical games! TRUE Motion gaming! Bless you all!
lmao every single human who godlike at rhythm game is inhuman. no exception.
Lol, we aren't inhuman it just takes practice and dedication. XD
Jigsaw Dances nah man we should just make people think we are not human
The most frequent questioned I get asked if a crowd is around and someone in the crowd will ask me, "How do you do that", "Do you play everyday".
man I'm doing rhytm games since I was 8 that's fucking dedication, pro at guitar hero, OSU!,PIU, DDR, dance maniax and other. THATS LOVE FOR LIFE MAN. Like, I'd ask these people, how can u play counter strike all day? I CAN STEP ON DA MAT WHOLE LIFE
I'm not inhuman and have won a tournament before. :P It's muscle memory and cardio, that's it.
the term is bracketing when they take the small steps to hit the arrows
crackervirus This is incorrect. Bracketing specifically refers to placing your feet over the “brackets” of the panels, such that each foot lays over 2 of the panels, so you can play through a song without even moving your legs. While it’s good for conserving energy, it comes at a cost of precision and timing.
Love the video man, very well made. It's really interesting seeing it slowed down.
As 10 other people pointed out already, Mad Matt is known troughout the ITG community as the player with the best footspeed. Here's a link. Also, the last song, Cold Pizza, that they are playing is a level 17, if I'm not mistaking. Mad Matt can play up to level 21.
/watch?v=4AWX4WToFAI
I was surprised by how poorly this did, but no one shared it so it kind of died.
This has been interesting. Always wondered about this when seeing Matt.
I never had a pad that could register arrow presses with my feet so close the center of the pad. It seems weird being able to dance with such minute leg movements. It's almost like they're not even touching the arrows. But that's the only way to be super fast.
HOW DO PEOPLE DO THIS
I think Ray William Johnson talked about this video on an episode. But I can't remember which one.
“Why step when you can slide” -Kieran ITG
*plays 25 notes in 1 second*
But can they ace Dear Arch?
Oh man I didn't know you made this until now. So good hahaha.
I never get tired of doubles
Awesome, pretty well put together video
Pretty neat. I didnt know I moved that fast O_o. Good job!
I SEEN SEARS! :O
Songs get harder and harder each rhythm game series that comes out, in DDR I use to be scared of Max 300 and Max Unlimited on Expert back in the day now its a cake walk, as of 2017 the hardest song in Pump It Up is Paradoxx Double 28 and DDR Ace the Hardest Song in my opinion is Egoism Challenge Doubles.
Watch 2 - 3 years from now Paradoxx and Egoism will no longer be considered as tough anymore. Lol :D
Get ready for Endymion lol... could be DDR's first 20
John Dixon u was WRONG it’s still a 19!!!!!!!! jfc what does a 20 look like
@@TheDarKAnjl Like pain!
Yep nice one prophet paradoxx is dethroned by 1949 D28
It’s crazy how much faster people have gotten since this
I tried to get in contact with the current fastest player to do a follow-up but no dice.
@@CNLohr you mean keiran? Did he say no or did he just not get back to you?
whos near The Save Point!? I go to Timeline Arcade in PA and im looking for people to play ITG with!!!
Careful
>.< I never caught that.
Get everyone in Minimus and have NB sponsor some tournaments.
Very cool video man!
Mad Matt owns them all at speed/endurance
Me when I see that anthill in the yard
I think this in pump it up you need more speed than itg
nowadays? def not…
@@jijon805 pls search Kugutsu d27 this chart is VERY HARDDDD
Yes! Cold Pizza is the best damn song.
Or, you know, count the arrows on the screen.
Song that they are playing is blue army.
Check out Mad Matt/Cali-Mist.
Really doesn't their speed depend on how fast the song is?
+Ever Yes, however, many/most songs only do 16th note runs in bursts.
CNLohr not anymore (;
You have to be sooooo fast in PIU. That's way too hard for me. I'd hurt my feet really easily. I stick to Stepmania, which some maps on there would probably be impossible if you used the step pad.
Aww, that's half the fun.
@@CNLohr Yeah, maybe, but at least I can do it! :) I wish I could do PIU or ITG, but I just can't
Heh, maybe that Pump player in the background is gonna look at the ITG cabinet any second now, and- there he goes, and he failed.
still prefer piu
these guys would defo be good at tap dancing...
totally different skill sets!
I like how that PIU player at 1:57 just looked at them with that little embarrased look xd
watch this in 2x speed
paultom123456 Mist isnt really that fast
he was fast back in like, 2007, but now he's really nothing compared to Matt, Phil, or Miguel
Try Mad Matt for speed.
Yeah dance games
That's pump nor ddr.
ITG
But beautiful machine and I've been following your project / making it with leds and whatnot and I praise u all for that .. idk I'm just a person that plays normally and don't do the whole using the middle technique is all ... Maybe that's why I can't go past 10 footers idk ... Maybe I need to start trying it ..
+Roger Hammond "i'm just a person that plays normally" hahahaha you decided yourself that that's normal
Woah
Invert get tired of doubles...
Do the vid on aoreo, lol. He's way faster. ruclips.net/video/PlPw2ZoVQtY/видео.html
Yeah but they only play in the middle to conserve energy cuz u can't to the song normally , And if u can't do the song normally with the transitions / crossovers then your not really playing in my opinion your cheating the game plus not to mention the whole them raping the bar , Cuz they would not even be able to balance ... When U can do that song without the bar and do the full crossovers and transfers / transitions then come talk to me ..
nice post troll
+FutileExistence No problem dip shit u just made because I'm right ..
Ooooo look at u. . . Mr thinks he's tough shit at DDR , your not bruh , your Fuckin clown shoes if u think it's about competition and clearly u don't even know why I play and also fucktard yes i can dumbass do 10s and 12s and shit ... i just don't because it's not worth it and I'm not trying to prove shit to anyone ,
I'll do a few every once and awhile. ..
But I'm not a spaz like u all r ...
+Roger Hammond funny how u dumb fucks are still tripping over a comment from 2 years ago in December ,
Bwahahahaha ....
Thanks for making me laugh again ....
I don't think it's fair to judge someone's playstyle, everyone plays the way they want to play. But you do realize that even "bar raping" players can generally play songs about two blocks lower in difficulty without the bar, and have a good grasp on techniques like crossovers and BPM changes?