"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." -Lyndon B. Johnson
I know, right? I commend these people for not letting those shitbirds push them over the edge....but a small part of me wishes a couple of violent protesters had come along with a can of lighter fluid and a match....
HappyStance Eightable Dude, seriously, seek help. I am no longer going to waste time arguing with you and your multiple personalities. You can miss me with your bullshit from this point on.
poppysfit _"You can miss me with your bullshit from this point on"_ The Truth to Leftists is like Holy Water to Vampires; They run from it. It only hurts so badly because of how horribly corrupt Leftists are.
poppysfit It's you pulling "ice tea" out of your ass, you nut. Same goes for George's gun having a safety other than its trigger. You pulled that out of your ass too. You Leftists are indoctrinated with all kinds of stupid shit like that which was pulled out of other stupid Leftists' asses. That's why Leftists leave the locations of Occupy-Wall-Street protests smelling like sewers. You all have shit for brains.
I have been hearing that some people were saying that saying the N word isn't a big deal, but it is. You are not just saying a rude word for African Americans, you are dehumanizing them. I have a personal example from my life. I am obviously not African American, but I am Arab and Muslim, so I do get a lot of rude commentary, and a person tried to throw a fist at me once, but I don't react. I am cowardly when it comes to confrontations, since I am a very timid person. One time I was with a friend of mine when someone was yelling at me to "go back to your country" and other things I will not say in polite company. My friend looked angry but I just told her that its fine and to ignore it, I said "it means nothing" and I kept going. I looked reasonably upset and Joelle, my friend, told me: " I thought you said, it didn't mean anything" I said: " No, I said it means nothing, when people call an Arab a camel jokey or a sock head, they are saying I am worthless, a nothing and the reason for that is because of my background". The same with racial slurs and other negative terms for something you can't control. When someone says the N word they are saying " you are worthless" "you have no value" "You are undeserving of love empathy, and compassion" "you are less than someone else" and its because of the color of your skin, when someone calls a mentally disabled person "retarded" it is the same, when someone calls a Latino the w word it is the same, with someone calls a homosexual the f word it is the same. They are dehumanizing the person and saying they are worthless and because of a reason they could not control. That is why its wrong.
Hasan Chaudhry every religion is peace? LOL, have you read the BIBLE? It’s okay to beat your slave if they can walk again in two days, if not you are to be punished. How peaceful! Wow
How civilized of them to not even raise their voices in anger. They were civil and kept a normal tone, confronting them diplomatically. I'm proud of people like that.
I may be wrong but I read Light Seraphim's comment as saying that the protestors, not the idiot racist trolls, behaved in a civil manner. They didn't fall for the bait.
Greatest thing that happened was the two in black shirts were unable to solicit a violent response. Then second was they hopefully get a false sense of security and try it on the wrong person/group. Best case scenario of course if they have matured and seen how terrible their act was. If not lets hope they catch the right group on the wrong day. Recording something is great if the recording can be used to substantiate your claim, better your recording device isn't taken and destroyed after the beatdown
I agree with the woman honestly. They obviously showed up with a camera and shirt on, with the intent to start a fight. They probably figured if they could get the people to hit them, they would have it on tape, and they could get a lawsuit out of it or something stupid. I agree that they should be allowed to wear whatever they want, but at the same time, they shouldn't be allowed to go somewhere while wearing the shirt, with the obvious intent to start a fight.
harry ballzonya I'm not being a pussy. I just don't think people should be allowed to go to a group of people, and try to start a fight like that. Because if a fight DID start, then it'd be the group that got in trouble and arrested, for simply fighting back. It's pretty much real life internet trolling. It's stupid on the internet, and worse in real life.
harry ballzonya "I also am quite the troll-" Well that explains why you don't have a problem with these people doing what they did then. And why I do. You can already be arrested for going to places and trying to start a riot and stuff. They even had something about stuff like that on this youtube channel. So why is this any different? They're purposely trying to start a large fight so they can record it and get them in trouble. It should be something they could get arrested for. Or at least get some kind of fine for.
When you're livin' in "Tha' South" Mmmaaaaaan, that right there, we call Psychological provoking, just to make a quick hustle, using "The System" for his own self-blinding ignorence. In my home town/city, they would'nt come out alive. In1989, we disrupted a KKK rally at a state park in Bessemer Ala. Those two clowns are playin' A very dangerous game.
DemocRATs subscribe to another philosophy of submission like Islam; Leftist ideology. Accusing men of inciting violence by wearing T-shirts is like Islamists accusing Ana of inciting rape by wearing that dress. The vaunted black race is the Left's Mohammad; a sacred idol held above criticism. When white school girls got death threats for publishing unflattering portraits of blacks, TYT only laughed and mocked the troubled teens who were victims of Leftist child abuse e.g. _"Racist RUclips Rant Forces Girls To Leave High School"_ (RUclips search) The girls could have drawn cartoons of Mohmmad and gotten the same reaction from Muslims that they got from TYT Leftist goons e.g. *RUclips SEARCH==>>* _"Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks attacked by muslim"_
+Robyn T That would be the same reason why people generally aren't responding to people claiming the Earth is flat - there's just too much stupidity going on for it to be worth the effort.
+Robyn T "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." -Lyndon B. Johnson
i'm not saying this for attention, just for awareness; as someone whos mixed and had ancestors who where slaves, hearing whites say the n word (even in verbatim for quotation) feels like a knife. It's not me questioning anyones right, just their responsibility.
Those two guys just made themselves look ridiculous. They went there hoping to incite a riot, to catch it on camera, where no one could see their t-shirts and then say look at these violent people, they attacked us for no reason. Then they realized they were being recorded and they went running back to their car. Even worse, they try to deny it.
@@SeatLeonMK2 I'm pretty sure its illegal in the Netherlands too. At some point in the "younger" history of Germans (and the Netherlands)it was ruled that you can't defend your honor by duel anymore, instead you defended it on court. I don't know when it exactly changed, yet I know that Bismark got envolved into two appointments for saber-duel the first day he arrived at the city he was supposed to study and live for the comming years. So the change must have happen some point in his lifetime. I wonder how the Anglo-sphere went from a state where poeple defended their honor and dignity in a duel to a state where no-one is awarded to have a claim on any form of dignity or honor at all.
I don’t care if people don’t like me obviously mommie and daddy didn’t show them enough attention as a child , my peeps are strong 💪🏾 and we will always overcome
If you can't properly restrain an unarmed man much less a unarmed teenager without using your gun your ass don't need to be working security or the police force for that matter. Don't they train you for situations like this? Or does it say" if your can't restrain the man use your gun?" There is no excuse for shooting an unarmed man of any age unless your life is truly in danger.
My buddies dad was the one in the video wearing the shirt. They had to move because they found out where they lived and had to change phone numbers cause they found that out also
Freedom of speech doesn't apply to private property. If you're in my store and I don't like what your sign says, I have every right to eject you if you don't remove it.
GOD HAS MADE A BEAUTIFUL RAINBOW ALL OVER THE WORLD, AND THAT IS SOMETHING SATAN DOES NOT LOVE. Therefore, he uses ppl to dislike one another for no apparent reason, frankly everyone will stand before the ALMIGHTY alone one day for their actions here on earth. FORGIVE RACISM...GOD BLESS
how do we know this devil is a bad guy? we don't know any thing about him other than the shit you're god wrote about him. and no I am not a satanist, I am a logical thinking person.
You right to free speech does not extend to private property. the Bill of rights is a limitation against government, nothing else. In cases like this I wish it were otherwise, but the law is the law.....
The mall owners absolutely have the right to dictate & enforce a dress code. Its called property rights, a concept lost on most liberals. Just as the kid and the 2 morons have the right to express themselves IN PUBLIC as they see fit. See "1st Amendment". Neither party should have been arrested for "inciting violence" as that is a violation of the aforementioned 1st Amendment. The mall security does reserve the right to enforce their draconian policies as they see fit. No one should have been arrested, this should never have been a story. The kid complied, reluctantly. It should have ended at that.
i am from africa and i feel so sorry for my brothers and sisters in america i wish all african people world wide would just sell there assets in america and other racist places and come back home. let all the blacks leave america, stop playing sports for people who hate you.stop making music for them, stop working for them just quit.let them play there own sports and that will be so boring let them deal with there own economy why live there if you are unwanted.my people come home i mean land will cost you $5 000. you can make it hear not only make it but thrive.
Nunya Bidness _"I never met anyone that owned slaves"_ Then you've never traveled to these parts of Africa least influenced by the work of early-20th-century Christian missionaries: *_"Slavery Still Exist In Africa - The Origins of the African Slave Trade"_** (RUclips search phrase)* Today's slave owners are largely black Africans enslaving their fellow blacks the way they have for time immemorial.
Separation would only pull our efforts for tolerance back another 200 years. Don't let the news fool you, most people aren't this racist. Only some areas in some states. We are all brothers and sisters, and we should at least try to get along.
@@SgtRock420 so i gues white people just asked native americans could they have this country. And asked the africans to go on a boat ride to help out America.....
I call fat asses fat asses because i can lol Plus i used to be a fat ass and people calling me a fat ass, all the bullying lead to me dropping the unhealthy lard.
Obviously those guys were terrible, but protesting and/or wearing that shirt on a public shirt is protected under the first amendment because it is a public place. Now, a mall is private property, and while I and many other people might not have a problem with the protester wearing that sign, the mall can legally come up with its own rules about conduct on their property and enforce them. There are often cases of people protesting in malls and getting surprised when they are asked to stop or escorted out, since they think that they are protected since they are using political speech. But the mall is private property and can do whatever it wants, silly as it may be.
Slimy Weasles yeah, I hate to say it, but this is a property law issue. The mall is private property, and Protester #1 was asked to vacate the private property and refused, and hence could be arrested, whereas the pro-Trayvon protesters and the FatAssRacists on day #2 were in public, and therefore both sets of parties were protected under First Amendment. Sucks, but you gotta pick your protest site.
Hey John, I'm def. with you in spirit. But legally that's not correct. Even first amendment has certain limitations, (see Schenck v.US), as do all amendments. So protester on day1 had the right to say his message but then the property owner had the right to revoke his permission to be on the *private* property. It's why protesters picket and demonstrate outside of a business not within its offices, out in the public area. Protester 1 actually could have kept going from mall to mall, location to location, and wear his sign, and draw attention to his worthy message. But when asked to leave private property that is the property owner's rights too.
John Craig Sorry man, but those "property laws" ARE your rights. You don't have a right to do whatever the hell you want wherever the hell you want to. If the people who own the mall don't want you there, that's it. Nothing to be done. Go on the sidewalk and exercise YOUR rights without violating someone else's. Imagine if you had an open-house or something and some guy just came in and stood in your kitchen with a sign. Don't you have the right to kick him out? That may seem like an extreme example, but it really is the same thing ideologically. There are people who own that mall property just as you might own a house, and they can absolutely control what people are allowed to do there. Private property rights are easily among the MOST important rights we have in this country, and we need to be careful about ignoring them.
copen hagen it's funny how those same property rights can be revoked by city/state government whenever a new development needs that property, i.e. emminent domain, etc. I see your point and agree reluctantly. I can't help be feel that those mall cops handled the situation poorly.
Both shirts say something important. It is too bad that you are only attacking the white guy. Are you in favor of racism against white people? I am sure you are in favor of having a conversation about race. Does that conversation involve letting white people say anything? The white guy's shirt was a clear example of how there is racism in America. Black people can say a word that white people can't. That is an impingement on the freedom to speak. I know you don't think the freedom to speak is important for your enemies, but what if the freedom to speak was taken away by them and not you? How would you feel if you were not allowed to ever criticize white people? Straight people? Men? I bet you would be pissed about it. Let the man speak. Let his ideas fail if they are bad ones. It is more important than you think
The shirt is an interesting commentary on the silliness of words and peoples' reaction to them. It also speaks to the silliness of the culture in which certain people can say certain words but others can't. If you're black, you can say the N-word, if you're white, you can't? Sounds like separate and unequal to me, brought by the same mentality that brought us the back of the bus and separate drinking fountains.
Let me try to explain this to you. It's about the power dynamics. As a male making 'jokes' about women in a male dominated environment can make the females present feel vulnerable. This is even when you ignore the intent, benign or otherwise. A white male using the N-word, knowing the structural inequities facing minorities can be injurious too. This creates an atmosphere of disenfranchisement with all the corollary effects that has.
J-Form Sounds like hyper-sensitivity to me. There are people of all races, genders, and other categories who are very sensitive and those who are not. The wisdom of "sticks and stones may break my bones but names can never hurt me" was once taught to youngsters and most people above the age of 12 have learned that. Nobody can take away your peace if you don't let them. Of course it is true that we should love our neighbor as ourselves, but those who don't lose out on the wonderful benefit of doing so.
Warren Berckmann You aren't allowed to use the word because your people didn't go through 400 years of slavery and discrimination, while having that word used against them. When that does happen you can use it all the fuck you want, but until then keep it to yourself you racist pile of shit
seinfan9 That was one of the stupidest things you could have said. One black slave owner doesn't instantly make all the white slave owners nor racist. If they weren't racist then they would probably have slaves that weren't black, and the whole civil rights thing wouldn't have been an issue. But your ignorance of the issues we have and still face today as a nation is noted.
Tha-Real Winner Silly person. Nobody is 400 years old or endured 400 years of anything. There's no collective injustice, nor is there collective culpability, it's all individual. Until you get past your simple prejudices and start thinking clearly, you'll have to deal with your self-imposed pain. And no, you missed the point entirely. Sounds like you have the racist hangups.
Mr Jones Could not find an email address on your profile, just read some of the comments you made on a vid regarding a man who was being harrassed at the Los angeles Airport. Your comments were very well stated....some what above the usual utube IQ. In general I would say they were thoughtful and extremely well stated. My compliments to you.
Darrell Simon Thank you. Just thinking aloud. It's interesting how many people take what I am saying totally out of context and include their own biases instead of reading and understanding what I am saying. Thank you for listening and understanding.
Can you stop the comments on the page with Gray cat or tell me how to block him all together? I should know, I've seen it before, I simply can't remember. Thanks! Have a great day!
Robin Addis-Vaughn Once again, you do not need anyone else to do it for you. You can block me all by yourself. Do you need me to give you instructions? My goodness you are pitiful. Can you feed yourself? Or, you can stop commenting to me/about me, and I will stop commenting to you. It really is that easy.
I am mixed race, and have multiple conflicting views on the Trayvon case. but Honestly, this is just dumb. It should not be news. Wearing the sign, I can see the point about free speech, but if wearing a hoodie is prohibited by their rules, then that's that. They can deny service to whomever they like, that is freedom too. If they don't agree with his political statement they can deny him service, yet thats not even what they are doing, they are enforcing a rule on the premises. Why are hoodies and other face obscuring clothes prohibited? Because then the Camera's don't catch your face when your thieving. Simple as that. This is not news.
I am going to give an extreme example...I am wearing a balaclava...or perhaps carrying a gun...both of those are prohibited by the rules of most malls. You are telling me, if I have some political sign strapped around my neck that I can go ahead and carry that gun and wear that mask in the mall? and the police are not going to have words with me? I don't buy it. Plus, that argument does not negate the fact that this is not news. Trayvon martin is not news. Even if he was not a thug who was on drugs, he is not a martyr he is a disgrace to his race (By that I mean humans) I sincerely hope when our alien overlords arrive they don't find this nonsense in our records. There are thousands of little black kids all over the USA who die young for no other reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, completely innocent. Trayvon may not have deserved to die. But lets not make him out to be some sort of martyr he embodied the worst in people in both life and death. Let him go.
Remember this: Some things in life are better left unsaid. -Even if I thought the shirt was funny I wouldn’t have been stupid enough to say it on a national thread.
sorry to tell you all, but as someone that was a mall cop for 2 years, i can tell you if you're on private property, you don't have the right to do what you want. if they say you cant say x, then you cant say x. if you don't like it, get off their private property and onto public property and you can (supposedly) say all you want.
Mma fighter? Ya sure. Learned a little bit of this and that mixed with a few months of study here and there. That's not what true mixing of martial arts is. Such enlightenment from u and your comment
Just a reminder out there - ALL STORES, shops, malls, stadiums, amusement parks are private property. If an agent representing the owner or management (mall security for example) asks you to leave, just leave. You have no "right" to hang around when asked to leave. None.
Almost 9 minutes of taking about this and never did they deal with the meaning of the shirt. Why are blacks allowed to say a word that if anyone else used it is considered to be so bad?
Damonte876 this white guy won't answer that question. I've asked it several times at other similar threads,,,and it's ignored,,,except for the usual, juvenile response with a question asking,,'why do blacks want to use the N word?' this kid and his brave you tube warrior friends are no different
Robert Knolle It could happen, there are a few states making it quite difficult however. Morgan Freeman famously said that the way to stop racism is to stop reminding us of it. To this day I still don't get the chicken, grits and watermelon references. Its probably because I was never told about the supposed connection it had as a child.
Ross Barn I think you are missing the point. No words should be banned. Any word or insult should be the same regardless of who says it. No word or insult should carry more power because of who spoke it. We should not excuse the use of certain words based on race. It should not be ok for one group to use a word and not ok for another group. That is the point. That is the true racist world view.
UtherPendragan There is this weird phenomenon where some young white teens are calling each other "n***a" in an un-ironic brotherly way nowadays. Where as it used to be something you would only hear 2 black people say to eachother. Its kind of brilliant because it diminishes the power the word has on people. A word without meaning or consequence is just a word.
Idiocracy does not require balls. My ancestors from the civil rights movement had more balls than all white supremacist, skinheads, kkk, Aryan brotherhood, etc.etc combined my friend.
Cenk, I'm wanting to talk to you about you saying you had the right to call someone a "fat ass" because of your own weight. I'm gay. I called people "queer" and "fag" and used your same excuse because I am gay, but my straight friends were very offended and it reminded me how I was offended by black people calling other black people the "N" word. Please think about this.
Mall security has the power to conduct a citizen's arrest until police arrive in response to a crime. Violating a mall rule is not a crime. Staying in the mall if you were asked to leave by a person designated with that authority is trespassing. But, if the person was not told to leave and clearly violated no laws then detaining them as a private citizen (including security guards) is illegal. A law enforcement officer can detain very briefly for investigation but if no reasonable suspicion or evidence of a crime is present then an arrest would be unlawful.
Like it or not, there IS A DIFFERENCE between PRIVATE PROPERTY (the mall) and THE PUBLIC (Protesters). The first amendment prohibits GOVERNMENTS from restricting free speech, not PRIVATE companies, and you guys know this. That said, BRAVO to the protesters for not taking the bait.
come on guys, no crime here, use your brains. He was on mall property, it's owned privately. By law they can have him remove his signs. Just because something is wrong or angers us doesn't ALWAYS mean that it's a crime or goes against the constitution.
Many people ruin their health and their lives by taking the poison of bitterness, resentment and unforgiveness. Matthew 18:23-35 tells us that if we do not forgive people, we get turned over to the torturers. If you have a problem in this area or have ever had one, I'm sure you bear witness with what I'm saying. It's torture to have hateful thoughts toward another person rolling around inside your head.
I was in total disagreement with Cenk until they mentioned about attacking the Westboro Baptist Church, he's showing some totally distorted view of America just because it's supossed to be the ''Free'' country, the land of Freedom. This isn't about the shirts but in the situation that the guys we're planning to get involved with them, they obviously expected to get attacked, but they totally should have been arrested, 100%, because they ran into a ''black'' crowd, it's like wearing a Ku Klux Klan robe in a black neighborhood, "Your freedom ends where my freedom begins". And of course, you can wear that (indirectly) racist shirt everywhere you want, but if a stranger decides to punch you (or ignore you) he has the total freedom to do it because you just gave it to him, in short words, the 2 guys should have been arrested in that case, but if you want to walk in a street with a shirt like that you better be prepared (or not).
The non profit was established by a black woman. I worked very hard trying to help this organization, One of my strong points was in writing grant requests to secure more funding for projects on the agenda. I realized that there were some real improprieties in some of the books and after further (and careful) investigation, I realized that the entire organization was just a scam and this black woman and her father were rippping off tens of thousands of dollars. I immediately resigned.
why does this lady get to say the n word? yes, it's in a quote but still, on general principle of respect. why's it okay if she says it? it's disrespectful, and also ironic.
Malls are private property. Free speech is not protected on private property. If they want you to leave, remove something etc, they can do that. No matter how stupid the policy is.
To Cenk, Ana I get that you're reading a shirt, but at the end of the day, you're still not black. Say "the N-word". I don't know why non blacks want to find a way to say that word so badly. I don't care who you are, don't say that word.
Malls are private property and routinely deny free speech which is their legal right (no doubt the reason the protest 2 days later was off the mall property). As more and more of the country is privatized it makes meaningful free speech more and more difficult. This reality is part of what needs to be discussed instead of just repeating indignation over the teens arrest.
you aren't allowed to protest on private property if the owner does not allow it. it is the same argument that allows malls to ban people wearing guns. yes you have the right to carry but you are trespassing if the owner wants you gone.
selective memory, racist? "Shellie advises that he “could always lay down or something” to hide from onlookers, Zimmerman said, “Yeah, exactly. Well, I have my hoodie.”And then you hear what sounds like an exhaled laugh." Pat Robertson insists its ok to interrogate and chase people for wearing a hoodie. The internet was abuzz with "theyre always causing trouble" types. It is so unfair that in Syria people are dying and being run out of their homes when people like you live in peace and safety
Obviously I'm not defending what the white guys did but the lady said they were near the mall. I don't think mall security would have seen them unless they were inside the mall like the black kid was?
This guy with that shirt on doesn't realize what he's getting himself into... He's bold and arrogant and this is what caused it the Trump campaign and the fact that a black man was present for 8 years two terms
I'm pretty sure the guy who got arrested has no lawsuit, because the mall security didn't arrest him, the police did; you can't sue someone for simply calling the cops on you. And he has no law suit against the cops, because he's black, and they're cops.
I have to beg the differ, the security officers could and probably will be held accountable because they initiated the whole thing and the security violated or attempted to violate his 1 amendment rights, being falsely arrested happens all the time and majority of the time it's settled out of court, oh yeah you can best believe the Mall, the security firm and the police will be named in what seems to be an inevitable lawsuit and you can be sued for anything, success depends upon merit
16davelle UNTRUE. The mall has a code of conduct. 1st Amendment argument applies to GOVERNMENTS. A mall CAN make you take off a protest sign INSIDE THEIR MALL and failure to do so or leave constitutes TRESPASS. Time to freshen up on legal rights folks. If he wanted to protest OUTSIDE he was welcome to do so but inside, no go.
The first amendment protects us from persecution by the government, not from being dejected from a mall. The company that owns the mall and the security force employed by that company reserves the right to remove from and deny entry to the mall anyone they please for whatever reason. In the same manner, McDonald's can refuse service at will. If the gentleman wishes to protest anything he can do so on the sidewalk (public property), not in the mall (private property) without permission from said mall.
The difference between what the two white males wore and the black kid, is that they were not IN the mall. The "inciting violence" is a mall policy, not a law. The 1st amendment protects what you can wear in public places; the mall is not public property. This entire discussion is just ignorace of the context...
The fact that he was in the mall on private property, gives them the right to ask him to leave. He only got arrested for failing to comply, so I'm not sure I see anything wrong with it. The other two were on public property where you have more rights, but they should have got punched in the face. People don't learn if there are no consequences, just saying.
This rule is kind of stupid, but it didn't violate his first amendment rights because the mall is private property. If someone is saying or doing something that you don't approve of on your property you can ask them to a) stop or b) leave your property. If they don't you can charge them with trespassing which is probably what this man got charged with.
I think that they need to cite the exact reason that the man at the mall was arrested. Most likely he was arrested for criminal trespass. The mall has the right to tell him to remove the shirt and sign because it violates their policies. If he refuses then they could tell him to leave. If he refuses to leave then he is criminally trespassing. Does this violate he first amendment rights? Nope. Why? Because the first amendment protects you from the government telling you what you can and cannot say. It has no bearing on private parties and their private property. Now if he was standing on a public sidewalk it would be a different story.
"It doesn't matter who starts the fight, whoever has the gun wins". This was the exact quote. You can't just pick one part of the quote and respond to it.
respect to the 50+ people who didnt take the bait and handled the situation 100% correctly. i'm not sure i would have been able to act the same way to such obvious disrespect.
The policy of no hoodies is pretty stupid, but whether it's stupid is of no consequence. If they tell you to take off a sign or not wear the outfit on their property, they can do that. People often misunderstand what freedom of speech entails; it only protects you against government coercion, not the rules,regulations of a private establishment. I cannot go into many restaurants wearing sandals. Doesn't mean they are violating my freedom of expression.
I think the difference is the people with the racial slurs were OUTSIDE the mall, while the guy with the sign was INSIDE the mall which is private property.
There is one issue and im not saying that he targeted because he was a black kid, but by the sounds of it he was inside the mall. While the public is allowed in the mall its not public property and you don't have the right protest or solicitation in the mall. If they let him in with his sign they can not stop companies form hiring people to walk around the mall with signs selling their product. If the mall security ask you to leave you have no right to stay and can be arrested for trespassing.
Its perfectly reasonable to both sell hoodies and expect people not to cover their faces with them inside the mall. I suspect the mall also sell motorbike crash helmets but I am sure they wouldn't let you wear those either.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." -Lyndon B. Johnson
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+I AM who's piking his pocket?
taviosammy100 Picking his pockets, and the politicians are. Where have you been. A former president said that not your average person. Wake Up
I commend those Black folks for not giving in. I would have snapped.
I know, right? I commend these people for not letting those shitbirds push them over the edge....but a small part of me wishes a couple of violent protesters had come along with a can of lighter fluid and a match....
*****"They were there to expose that about blacks." Expose what? The shit that DIDN'T happen?
HappyStance Eightable Dude, seriously, seek help. I am no longer going to waste time arguing with you and your multiple personalities. You can miss me with your bullshit from this point on.
poppysfit _"You can miss me with your bullshit from this point on"_
The Truth to Leftists is like Holy Water to Vampires; They run from it.
It only hurts so badly because of how horribly corrupt Leftists are.
poppysfit It's you pulling "ice tea" out of your ass, you nut. Same goes for George's gun having a safety other than its trigger. You pulled that out of your ass too. You Leftists are indoctrinated with all kinds of stupid shit like that which was pulled out of other stupid Leftists' asses. That's why Leftists leave the locations of Occupy-Wall-Street protests smelling like sewers. You all have shit for brains.
I have been hearing that some people were saying that saying the N word isn't a big deal, but it is. You are not just saying a rude word for African Americans, you are dehumanizing them. I have a personal example from my life. I am obviously not African American, but I am Arab and Muslim, so I do get a lot of rude commentary, and a person tried to throw a fist at me once, but I don't react. I am cowardly when it comes to confrontations, since I am a very timid person. One time I was with a friend of mine when someone was yelling at me to "go back to your country" and other things I will not say in polite company. My friend looked angry but I just told her that its fine and to ignore it, I said "it means nothing" and I kept going. I looked reasonably upset and Joelle, my friend, told me: " I thought you said, it didn't mean anything" I said: " No, I said it means nothing, when people call an Arab a camel jokey or a sock head, they are saying I am worthless, a nothing and the reason for that is because of my background". The same with racial slurs and other negative terms for something you can't control. When someone says the N word they are saying " you are worthless" "you have no value" "You are undeserving of love empathy, and compassion" "you are less than someone else" and its because of the color of your skin, when someone calls a mentally disabled person "retarded" it is the same, when someone calls a Latino the w word it is the same, with someone calls a homosexual the f word it is the same. They are dehumanizing the person and saying they are worthless and because of a reason they could not control. That is why its wrong.
Gandoora32 Ditto😊
Gandoora32 oh man you should give these same speeches and get paid you made me happy, I will use this if it's OK with you.
Nope. You are brainwashed by the media. Learn to accept that every religion is peace.
Hasan Chaudhry then why does religious leaders wage war? Not just wage war, but become consumed and corrupted by greed, and hatred.
Hasan Chaudhry every religion is peace? LOL, have you read the BIBLE? It’s okay to beat your slave if they can walk again in two days, if not you are to be punished. How peaceful! Wow
How civilized of them to not even raise their voices in anger. They were civil and kept a normal tone, confronting them diplomatically. I'm proud of people like that.
I may be wrong but I read Light Seraphim's comment as saying that the protestors, not the idiot racist trolls, behaved in a civil manner. They didn't fall for the bait.
That guy with the "black shirt" deserves a blackeye, that said I applaude the wisdom and restraint that the protesters showed
Nothing to yell at one another for its all one-sided
Light Seraphim No they just wanted to ignore the ignorance
Light Seraphim Sooo everything is "ok" as long as black ppl are "civilized"? 😏 hypocrisy at its best.
Greatest thing that happened was the two in black shirts were unable to solicit a violent response. Then second was they hopefully get a false sense of security and try it on the wrong person/group. Best case scenario of course if they have matured and seen how terrible their act was. If not lets hope they catch the right group on the wrong day. Recording something is great if the recording can be used to substantiate your claim, better your recording device isn't taken and destroyed after the beatdown
@malik kobayne
I don't think you understood the comment. Either that, or you're confused as for how you should express it.
I agree with the woman honestly. They obviously showed up with a camera and shirt on, with the intent to start a fight. They probably figured if they could get the people to hit them, they would have it on tape, and they could get a lawsuit out of it or something stupid.
I agree that they should be allowed to wear whatever they want, but at the same time, they shouldn't be allowed to go somewhere while wearing the shirt, with the obvious intent to start a fight.
harry ballzonya I'm not being a pussy. I just don't think people should be allowed to go to a group of people, and try to start a fight like that. Because if a fight DID start, then it'd be the group that got in trouble and arrested, for simply fighting back.
It's pretty much real life internet trolling. It's stupid on the internet, and worse in real life.
harry ballzonya "I also am quite the troll-" Well that explains why you don't have a problem with these people doing what they did then. And why I do.
You can already be arrested for going to places and trying to start a riot and stuff. They even had something about stuff like that on this youtube channel. So why is this any different? They're purposely trying to start a large fight so they can record it and get them in trouble. It should be something they could get arrested for. Or at least get some kind of fine for.
When you're livin' in "Tha' South" Mmmaaaaaan, that right there, we call Psychological provoking, just to make a quick hustle, using "The System" for his own self-blinding ignorence. In my home town/city, they would'nt come out alive. In1989, we disrupted a KKK rally at a state park in Bessemer Ala. Those two clowns are playin' A very dangerous game.
***** incorrect parallel there
DemocRATs subscribe to another philosophy of submission like Islam; Leftist ideology. Accusing men of inciting violence by wearing T-shirts is like Islamists accusing Ana of inciting rape by wearing that dress. The vaunted black race is the Left's Mohammad; a sacred idol held above criticism. When white school girls got death threats for publishing unflattering portraits of blacks, TYT only laughed and mocked the troubled teens who were victims of Leftist child abuse e.g. _"Racist RUclips Rant Forces Girls To Leave High School"_ (RUclips search)
The girls could have drawn cartoons of Mohmmad and gotten the same reaction from Muslims that they got from TYT Leftist goons e.g.
*RUclips SEARCH==>>* _"Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks attacked by muslim"_
Just keep moving and file this under things only a white American would do.
apb38 aww no response? that figures
+Robyn T That would be the same reason why people generally aren't responding to people claiming the Earth is flat - there's just too much stupidity going on for it to be worth the effort.
+Robyn T "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." -Lyndon B. Johnson
+Robyn T "welfair" lol. You fuckin' yeehaw.
apb38 yes
Wait. So they arrested him for what he said. Isn't that violating the freedom of speech.
Ben Mattingly that's not the point there's pain to that word you'll never know.
Apparently freedom of speech is being taken away also. Pussies.
i'm not saying this for attention, just for awareness; as someone whos mixed and had ancestors who where slaves, hearing whites say the n word (even in verbatim for quotation) feels like a knife. It's not me questioning anyones right, just their responsibility.
Those two guys just made themselves look ridiculous. They went there hoping to incite a riot, to catch it on camera, where no one could see their t-shirts and then say look at these violent people, they attacked us for no reason. Then they realized they were being recorded and they went running back to their car. Even worse, they try to deny it.
Ladies and gentlemen... America.
I don't think it's cool that y'all are using the N word neither...
When you purposely try to provoke a fight and nobody fights you and you look stupid.
A mall is a business that can refuse service if they want
Freedom of speech!
Offending people is legal in USA?
Cool.
TremereTT its called manners something your ma fergot to teach u after u hatched
why would it be illegal
i want to offend everyone i want to
@@SeatLeonMK2 I'm pretty sure its illegal in the Netherlands too.
At some point in the "younger" history of Germans (and the Netherlands)it was ruled that you can't defend your honor by duel anymore, instead you defended it on court.
I don't know when it exactly changed, yet I know that Bismark got envolved into two appointments for saber-duel the first day he arrived at the city he was supposed to study and live for the comming years.
So the change must have happen some point in his lifetime.
I wonder how the Anglo-sphere went from a state where poeple defended their honor and dignity in a duel to a state where no-one is awarded to have a claim on any form of dignity or honor at all.
Could you imagine if someone was walking around there with a hoodie that said "Just do it." ? There would be blood in the streets!
Nike
The relevancy of this comment in Sept 2018...
Taylor S yup I was about to say this comment is ripe of picking.
sir slick rock it's kind of eerie this was posted 3 years ago and it's a potential reality today... hope it doesn't come to that.
Black dude never had the money for a lawyer. So lawsuit never happened. Lol.
I don’t care if people don’t like me obviously mommie and daddy didn’t show them enough attention as a child , my peeps are strong 💪🏾 and we will always overcome
I have said it before but I feel I must say it again. Why wont you let Miss Kasparian finish her sentences and stop fucking interrupting her?
that guy just likes to hear himself talk hes a mic hog.
If you can't properly restrain an unarmed man much less a unarmed teenager without using your gun your ass don't need to be working security or the police force for that matter. Don't they train you for situations like this? Or does it say" if your can't restrain the man use your gun?" There is no excuse for shooting an unarmed man of any age unless your life is truly in danger.
My buddies dad was the one in the video wearing the shirt. They had to move because they found out where they lived and had to change phone numbers cause they found that out also
hope he get caught up with.period
Community Dipper why did he do it
I wish him the worst👿
Aaaaaand you're lying.
Public record and social media is real
Freedom of speech doesn't apply to private property. If you're in my store and I don't like what your sign says, I have every right to eject you if you don't remove it.
My coffee can say NXXXX because I like it black
Awesome! Where can we get those shirts?! Lol
We need to be crowd funding the lawsuits against the organizations that think they can abuse the powerless.
soooo if it's winter, you are not allowed to keep warm????
GOD HAS MADE A BEAUTIFUL RAINBOW ALL OVER THE WORLD, AND THAT IS SOMETHING SATAN DOES NOT LOVE. Therefore, he uses ppl to dislike one another for no apparent reason, frankly everyone will stand before the ALMIGHTY alone one day for their actions here on earth. FORGIVE RACISM...GOD BLESS
yeah becouse its god whose kill count is at billions while the devils is at 0
how do we know this devil is a bad guy? we don't know any thing about him other than the shit you're god wrote about him. and no I am not a satanist, I am a logical thinking person.
Joe Torres what exactly are u saying that God wrote?
Joe Torres well if we are using your logic…. how do we know the devil even exists "if it was written in the bible that he exists" you're an idiot
william williamson what the hell are you going on about dum dum?
You right to free speech does not extend to private property. the Bill of rights is a limitation against government, nothing else. In cases like this I wish it were otherwise, but the law is the law.....
What were we REALLY expecting here? Seriously, it's Kansas......middle America. Great job!
I could never bring myself to wear or purchase that shirt, but I must say , if I saw it I would laugh, at the shirt not how this guy used it.
+Joey Richardson Any white person wearing it would instantly become the pinacle of retardness.
Felipe Cordeiro no arguments here
so if muslims offend certain people then they cant wear head scarves in the mall
Nunns neither
The mall owners absolutely have the right to dictate & enforce a dress code. Its called property rights, a concept lost on most liberals. Just as the kid and the 2 morons have the right to express themselves IN PUBLIC as they see fit. See "1st Amendment". Neither party should have been arrested for "inciting violence" as that is a violation of the aforementioned 1st Amendment. The mall security does reserve the right to enforce their draconian policies as they see fit. No one should have been arrested, this should never have been a story. The kid complied, reluctantly. It should have ended at that.
i am from africa and i feel so sorry for my brothers and sisters in america i wish all african people world wide would just sell there assets in america and other racist places and come back home. let all the blacks leave america, stop playing sports for people who hate you.stop making music for them, stop working for them just quit.let them play there own sports and that will be so boring let them deal with there own economy why live there if you are unwanted.my people come home i mean land will cost you $5 000. you can make it hear not only make it but thrive.
Nunya Bidness _"I never met anyone that owned slaves"_
Then you've never traveled to these parts of Africa least influenced by the work of early-20th-century Christian missionaries: *_"Slavery Still Exist In Africa - The Origins of the African Slave Trade"_** (RUclips search phrase)* Today's slave owners are largely black Africans enslaving their fellow blacks the way they have for time immemorial.
Separation would only pull our efforts for tolerance back another 200 years. Don't let the news fool you, most people aren't this racist.
Only some areas in some states. We are all brothers and sisters, and we should at least try to get along.
Am black and I felt like the shirt was funny but a very very dangerous game.
Jason Rolle what's funny about it idiot?
Gradie Roberson nothing at all
Not one thing funny about this
Jason Rolle you don't have a black last name.
Rondo Numba9 6hunna rolle. Like Rollie. Like Rolex.
Umm how can she say the n word ? And like no one says anything about it?
After the verdict Zimmerman would had a price on his head within 24 hours after the verdict if that was my son
Did you watch the whole trial? Angela Corey, did a lousy job.
It would have been the end of New Jack city I'd proudly went to jail
He's asking for a SERIOUS beatdown!!
escorpio118420 yet you've subscribed to several black youtubers here hold this L dumbass lol
@@SgtRock420 so i gues white people just asked native americans could they have this country. And asked the africans to go on a boat ride to help out America.....
@@SgtRock420 you must think human is a race as well🤦🏿♂️
@@Hyle-King-Wytch-Neithekaos96 Race to the top!
I call fat asses fat asses because i can lol
Plus i used to be a fat ass and people calling me a fat ass, all the bullying lead to me dropping the unhealthy lard.
Obviously those guys were terrible, but protesting and/or wearing that shirt on a public shirt is protected under the first amendment because it is a public place. Now, a mall is private property, and while I and many other people might not have a problem with the protester wearing that sign, the mall can legally come up with its own rules about conduct on their property and enforce them. There are often cases of people protesting in malls and getting surprised when they are asked to stop or escorted out, since they think that they are protected since they are using political speech. But the mall is private property and can do whatever it wants, silly as it may be.
Slimy Weasles yeah, I hate to say it, but this is a property law issue. The mall is private property, and Protester #1 was asked to vacate the private property and refused, and hence could be arrested, whereas the pro-Trayvon protesters and the FatAssRacists on day #2 were in public, and therefore both sets of parties were protected under First Amendment. Sucks, but you gotta pick your protest site.
MATTAN LURIE property law, whatever that is and where ever it takes place, does not trump constitutional rights.
Hey John, I'm def. with you in spirit. But legally that's not correct. Even first amendment has certain limitations, (see Schenck v.US), as do all amendments. So protester on day1 had the right to say his message but then the property owner had the right to revoke his permission to be on the *private* property. It's why protesters picket and demonstrate outside of a business not within its offices, out in the public area. Protester 1 actually could have kept going from mall to mall, location to location, and wear his sign, and draw attention to his worthy message. But when asked to leave private property that is the property owner's rights too.
John Craig Sorry man, but those "property laws" ARE your rights. You don't have a right to do whatever the hell you want wherever the hell you want to. If the people who own the mall don't want you there, that's it. Nothing to be done. Go on the sidewalk and exercise YOUR rights without violating someone else's. Imagine if you had an open-house or something and some guy just came in and stood in your kitchen with a sign. Don't you have the right to kick him out? That may seem like an extreme example, but it really is the same thing ideologically. There are people who own that mall property just as you might own a house, and they can absolutely control what people are allowed to do there.
Private property rights are easily among the MOST important rights we have in this country, and we need to be careful about ignoring them.
copen hagen it's funny how those same property rights can be revoked by city/state government whenever a new development needs that property, i.e. emminent domain, etc.
I see your point and agree reluctantly. I can't help be feel that those mall cops handled the situation poorly.
Hahah i love that shirt i just ordered one
I should have worn it to the Oscar's
Both shirts say something important. It is too bad that you are only attacking the white guy. Are you in favor of racism against white people?
I am sure you are in favor of having a conversation about race. Does that conversation involve letting white people say anything?
The white guy's shirt was a clear example of how there is racism in America. Black people can say a word that white people can't. That is an impingement on the freedom to speak.
I know you don't think the freedom to speak is important for your enemies, but what if the freedom to speak was taken away by them and not you? How would you feel if you were not allowed to ever criticize white people? Straight people? Men?
I bet you would be pissed about it.
Let the man speak. Let his ideas fail if they are bad ones.
It is more important than you think
Fungus should be exposed, he has the right to speak, has the right to face Accuser, right to face consequences
A damn fine arguement man
I think u guys could have just said the n word not the full word! No one gets a pass saying that word
It's not that serious
She was simply quoting it
Chioma L. I still agree with Katrina. The N word is still..... well, the N word!
Katrina Stevenson then tell blacks to stop using it also
Katrina Stevenson first amendmant
I want that shirt!
Honestly you shouldn't put your hands on nobody regardless to what they say or wear we must have self discipline.
The shirt is an interesting commentary on the silliness of words and peoples' reaction to them. It also speaks to the silliness of the culture in which certain people can say certain words but others can't. If you're black, you can say the N-word, if you're white, you can't? Sounds like separate and unequal to me, brought by the same mentality that brought us the back of the bus and separate drinking fountains.
Let me try to explain this to you. It's about the power dynamics. As a male making 'jokes' about women in a male dominated environment can make the females present feel vulnerable. This is even when you ignore the intent, benign or otherwise. A white male using the N-word, knowing the structural inequities facing minorities can be injurious too. This creates an atmosphere of disenfranchisement with all the corollary effects that has.
J-Form
Sounds like hyper-sensitivity to me. There are people of all races, genders, and other categories who are very sensitive and those who are not. The wisdom of "sticks and stones may break my bones but names can never hurt me" was once taught to youngsters and most people above the age of 12 have learned that. Nobody can take away your peace if you don't let them. Of course it is true that we should love our neighbor as ourselves, but those who don't lose out on the wonderful benefit of doing so.
Warren Berckmann You aren't allowed to use the word because your people didn't go through 400 years of slavery and discrimination, while having that word used against them. When that does happen you can use it all the fuck you want, but until then keep it to yourself you racist pile of shit
seinfan9 That was one of the stupidest things you could have said. One black slave owner doesn't instantly make all the white slave owners nor racist. If they weren't racist then they would probably have slaves that weren't black, and the whole civil rights thing wouldn't have been an issue. But your ignorance of the issues we have and still face today as a nation is noted.
Tha-Real Winner
Silly person. Nobody is 400 years old or endured 400 years of anything. There's no collective injustice, nor is there collective culpability, it's all individual. Until you get past your simple prejudices and start thinking clearly, you'll have to deal with your self-imposed pain. And no, you missed the point entirely. Sounds like you have the racist hangups.
I want that shirt lol
Get it n walk in the hood tough guy
I understand that they are reporting the news but who here feels they should just say N word?
So GAP doesn't sell hoodies in the mall?
Thanks for being a fascist and blocking my posts.
Mr Jones
Could not find an email address on your profile, just read some of the comments you made on a vid regarding a man who was being harrassed at the Los angeles Airport. Your comments were very well stated....some what above the usual utube IQ. In general I would say they were thoughtful and extremely well stated. My compliments to you.
Darrell Simon Thank you.
Just thinking aloud. It's interesting how many people take what I am saying totally out of context and include their own biases instead of reading and understanding what I am saying. Thank you for listening and understanding.
Can you stop the comments on the page with Gray cat or tell me how to block him all together? I should know, I've seen it before, I simply can't remember. Thanks! Have a great day!
Robin Addis-Vaughn Once again, you do not need anyone else to do it for you. You can block me all by yourself. Do you need me to give you instructions? My goodness you are pitiful. Can you feed yourself?
Or, you can stop commenting to me/about me, and I will stop commenting to you. It really is that easy.
I am mixed race, and have multiple conflicting views on the Trayvon case. but Honestly, this is just dumb. It should not be news. Wearing the sign, I can see the point about free speech, but if wearing a hoodie is prohibited by their rules, then that's that. They can deny service to whomever they like, that is freedom too. If they don't agree with his political statement they can deny him service, yet thats not even what they are doing, they are enforcing a rule on the premises.
Why are hoodies and other face obscuring clothes prohibited? Because then the Camera's don't catch your face when your thieving. Simple as that. This is not news.
I am going to give an extreme example...I am wearing a balaclava...or perhaps carrying a gun...both of those are prohibited by the rules of most malls. You are telling me, if I have some political sign strapped around my neck that I can go ahead and carry that gun and wear that mask in the mall? and the police are not going to have words with me? I don't buy it.
Plus, that argument does not negate the fact that this is not news. Trayvon martin is not news. Even if he was not a thug who was on drugs, he is not a martyr he is a disgrace to his race (By that I mean humans) I sincerely hope when our alien overlords arrive they don't find this nonsense in our records. There are thousands of little black kids all over the USA who die young for no other reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, completely innocent.
Trayvon may not have deserved to die. But lets not make him out to be some sort of martyr he embodied the worst in people in both life and death. Let him go.
i am a big fan of free speech i support those men
Yawn.Pretend news again.Thanks Gore
Ok Im black and even I find the shirt a little funny.
Another idiot huh?
Remember this: Some things in life are better left unsaid. -Even if I thought the shirt was funny I wouldn’t have been stupid enough to say it on a national thread.
sorry to tell you all, but as someone that was a mall cop for 2 years, i can tell you if you're on private property, you don't have the right to do what you want. if they say you cant say x, then you cant say x. if you don't like it, get off their private property and onto public property and you can (supposedly) say all you want.
Where can i get one of those?
I wished Trayvon would not have died cuz i'm sick of hearing about him.
Mma fighter?
Ya sure. Learned a little bit of this and that mixed with a few months of study here and there.
That's not what true mixing of martial arts is.
Such enlightenment from u and your comment
Just a reminder out there - ALL STORES, shops, malls, stadiums, amusement parks are private property. If an agent representing the owner or management (mall security for example) asks you to leave, just leave. You have no "right" to hang around when asked to leave. None.
Almost 9 minutes of taking about this and never did they deal with the meaning of the shirt. Why are blacks allowed to say a word that if anyone else used it is considered to be so bad?
Why do white people want to say the N word so bad??
Damonte876
this white guy won't answer that question. I've asked it several times at other similar threads,,,and it's ignored,,,except for the usual, juvenile response with a question asking,,'why do blacks want to use the N word?'
this kid and his brave you tube warrior friends are no different
Robert Knolle It could happen, there are a few states making it quite difficult however.
Morgan Freeman famously said that the way to stop racism is to stop reminding us of it.
To this day I still don't get the chicken, grits and watermelon references. Its probably because I was never told about the supposed connection it had as a child.
Ross Barn I think you are missing the point. No words should be banned. Any word or insult should be the same regardless of who says it. No word or insult should carry more power because of who spoke it. We should not excuse the use of certain words based on race. It should not be ok for one group to use a word and not ok for another group. That is the point. That is the true racist world view.
UtherPendragan There is this weird phenomenon where some young white teens are calling each other "n***a" in an un-ironic brotherly way nowadays. Where as it used to be something you would only hear 2 black people say to eachother. Its kind of brilliant because it diminishes the power the word has on people. A word without meaning or consequence is just a word.
Those 2 white boys had some balls to do that tho!
+Junior Lopez
Don't confuse 'balls' with stupidity and lack of foresight/intelligence.
+netzoned I don't think they did that bcz they're stupid or ignorant they did that intentionally to show off their racist pride
That_Ford _Guy hell nah. Tell em to go too the Southside Chicago wearing that shirt then you can say that. But then they might not make it out alive
Boys? U mean fat obese wild boars?
Idiocracy does not require balls. My ancestors from the civil rights movement had more balls than all white supremacist, skinheads, kkk, Aryan brotherhood, etc.etc combined my friend.
Cenk, I'm wanting to talk to you about you saying you had the right to call someone a "fat ass" because of your own weight. I'm gay. I called people "queer" and "fag" and used your same excuse because I am gay, but my straight friends were very offended and it reminded me how I was offended by black people calling other black people the "N" word. Please think about this.
I admit, I chuckled a bit when they read the shirt.
Jay Mirabito , nothing funny about it!!!!
You are glass of water
Jay Mirabito im sure your mom chuckled when she realized she didnt know who your father was lol
The young turds period.
Mall security has the power to conduct a citizen's arrest until police arrive in response to a crime. Violating a mall rule is not a crime. Staying in the mall if you were asked to leave by a person designated with that authority is trespassing. But, if the person was not told to leave and clearly violated no laws then detaining them as a private citizen (including security guards) is illegal. A law enforcement officer can detain very briefly for investigation but if no reasonable suspicion or evidence of a crime is present then an arrest would be unlawful.
where can I buy this t-shirt?
Like it or not, there IS A DIFFERENCE between PRIVATE PROPERTY (the mall) and THE PUBLIC (Protesters). The first amendment prohibits GOVERNMENTS from restricting free speech, not PRIVATE companies, and you guys know this.
That said, BRAVO to the protesters for not taking the bait.
I get the feeling that some people assume that slavery no longer exist. When in fact it is still a problem that other countries have yet to deal with.
come on guys, no crime here, use your brains. He was on mall property, it's owned privately. By law they can have him remove his signs. Just because something is wrong or angers us doesn't ALWAYS mean that it's a crime or goes against the constitution.
Many people ruin their health and their lives by taking the poison of bitterness, resentment and unforgiveness. Matthew 18:23-35 tells us that if we do not forgive people, we get turned over to the torturers. If you have a problem in this area or have ever had one, I'm sure you bear witness with what I'm saying. It's torture to have hateful thoughts toward another person rolling around inside your head.
I was in total disagreement with Cenk until they mentioned about attacking the Westboro Baptist Church, he's showing some totally distorted view of America just because it's supossed to be the ''Free'' country, the land of Freedom. This isn't about the shirts but in the situation that the guys we're planning to get involved with them, they obviously expected to get attacked, but they totally should have been arrested, 100%, because they ran into a ''black'' crowd, it's like wearing a Ku Klux Klan robe in a black neighborhood, "Your freedom ends where my freedom begins". And of course, you can wear that (indirectly) racist shirt everywhere you want, but if a stranger decides to punch you (or ignore you) he has the total freedom to do it because you just gave it to him, in short words, the 2 guys should have been arrested in that case, but if you want to walk in a street with a shirt like that you better be prepared (or not).
The non profit was established by a black woman. I worked very hard trying to help this organization, One of my strong points was in writing grant requests to secure more funding for projects on the agenda. I realized that there were some real improprieties in some of the books and after further (and careful) investigation, I realized that the entire organization was just a scam and this black woman and her father were rippping off tens of thousands of dollars. I immediately resigned.
why does this lady get to say the n word? yes, it's in a quote but still, on general principle of respect. why's it okay if she says it? it's disrespectful, and also ironic.
Malls are private property. Free speech is not protected on private property. If they want you to leave, remove something etc, they can do that. No matter how stupid the policy is.
So why can't young men act and dress like criminals without being treated like potential criminals? So unfair
Andrea Stewart 🤗
treyvon was a bad person
To Cenk, Ana I get that you're reading a shirt, but at the end of the day, you're still not black. Say "the N-word". I don't know why non blacks want to find a way to say that word so badly. I don't care who you are, don't say that word.
Malls are private property and routinely deny free speech which is their legal right (no doubt the reason the protest 2 days later was off the mall property). As more and more of the country is privatized it makes meaningful free speech more and more difficult. This reality is part of what needs to be discussed instead of just repeating indignation over the teens arrest.
you aren't allowed to protest on private property if the owner does not allow it. it is the same argument that allows malls to ban people wearing guns. yes you have the right to carry but you are trespassing if the owner wants you gone.
There's a difference between protesting on public property vs private.
selective memory, racist? "Shellie advises that he “could always lay down or something” to hide from onlookers, Zimmerman said, “Yeah, exactly. Well, I have my hoodie.”And then you hear what sounds like an exhaled laugh." Pat Robertson insists its ok to interrogate and chase people for wearing a hoodie. The internet was abuzz with "theyre always causing trouble" types. It is so unfair that in Syria people are dying and being run out of their homes when people like you live in peace and safety
Obviously I'm not defending what the white guys did but the lady said they were near the mall. I don't think mall security would have seen them unless they were inside the mall like the black kid was?
This guy with that shirt on doesn't realize what he's getting himself into...
He's bold and arrogant and this is what caused it the Trump campaign and the fact that a black man was present for 8 years two terms
I'm pretty sure the guy who got arrested has no lawsuit, because the mall security didn't arrest him, the police did; you can't sue someone for simply calling the cops on you. And he has no law suit against the cops, because he's black, and they're cops.
I have to beg the differ, the security officers could and probably will be held accountable because they initiated the whole thing and the security violated or attempted to violate his 1 amendment rights, being falsely arrested happens all the time and majority of the time it's settled out of court, oh yeah you can best believe the Mall, the security firm and the police will be named in what seems to be an inevitable lawsuit and you can be sued for anything, success depends upon merit
16davelle UNTRUE. The mall has a code of conduct. 1st Amendment argument applies to GOVERNMENTS. A mall CAN make you take off a protest sign INSIDE THEIR MALL and failure to do so or leave constitutes TRESPASS. Time to freshen up on legal rights folks. If he wanted to protest OUTSIDE he was welcome to do so but inside, no go.
The first amendment protects us from persecution by the government, not from being dejected from a mall. The company that owns the mall and the security force employed by that company reserves the right to remove from and deny entry to the mall anyone they please for whatever reason. In the same manner, McDonald's can refuse service at will. If the gentleman wishes to protest anything he can do so on the sidewalk (public property), not in the mall (private property) without permission from said mall.
The difference between what the two white males wore and the black kid, is that they were not IN the mall. The "inciting violence" is a mall policy, not a law. The 1st amendment protects what you can wear in public places; the mall is not public property. This entire discussion is just ignorace of the context...
Wear what you want and say what you want but deal with the consequences. I’m from Southeast DC and folks get beat for things like that period.
The fact that he was in the mall on private property, gives them the right to ask him to leave. He only got arrested for failing to comply, so I'm not sure I see anything wrong with it. The other two were on public property where you have more rights, but they should have got punched in the face. People don't learn if there are no consequences, just saying.
This rule is kind of stupid, but it didn't violate his first amendment rights because the mall is private property. If someone is saying or doing something that you don't approve of on your property you can ask them to a) stop or b) leave your property. If they don't you can charge them with trespassing which is probably what this man got charged with.
I am a white female and wear a hoodie as a summer jacket in memory of Trayvon Martin. Blessings to his family.
I think that they need to cite the exact reason that the man at the mall was arrested. Most likely he was arrested for criminal trespass. The mall has the right to tell him to remove the shirt and sign because it violates their policies. If he refuses then they could tell him to leave. If he refuses to leave then he is criminally trespassing. Does this violate he first amendment rights? Nope. Why? Because the first amendment protects you from the government telling you what you can and cannot say. It has no bearing on private parties and their private property. Now if he was standing on a public sidewalk it would be a different story.
He was sighted with a trespassing morning and for some reason the cops over reacted and took him in he won some mony to there over reactions
"It doesn't matter who starts the fight, whoever has the gun wins". This was the exact quote. You can't just pick one part of the quote and respond to it.
respect to the 50+ people who didnt take the bait and handled the situation 100% correctly. i'm not sure i would have been able to act the same way to such obvious disrespect.
He's not inciting violence. If you choose to commit a violent act upon him, that's your fault.
Words are not illegal and grown men should be able to handle it
The policy of no hoodies is pretty stupid, but whether it's stupid is of no consequence. If they tell you to take off a sign or not wear the outfit on their property, they can do that. People often misunderstand what freedom of speech entails; it only protects you against government coercion, not the rules,regulations of a private establishment. I cannot go into many restaurants wearing sandals. Doesn't mean they are violating my freedom of expression.
I think the difference is the people with the racial slurs were OUTSIDE the mall, while the guy with the sign was INSIDE the mall which is private property.
The more America shows its true colours the more the rest of the world can see the truth. And that is the best thing that could happen to this planet.
The first amendment only says congress can't pass any laws regarding freedom of speech. This doesn't apply to private property.
There is one issue and im not saying that he targeted because he was a black kid, but by the sounds of it he was inside the mall. While the public is allowed in the mall its not public property and you don't have the right protest or solicitation in the mall. If they let him in with his sign they can not stop companies form hiring people to walk around the mall with signs selling their product. If the mall security ask you to leave you have no right to stay and can be arrested for trespassing.
A mall is private property. You have to leave when you're told to. You can deal with the reasons after you leave. That's how the real world works
Its perfectly reasonable to both sell hoodies and expect people not to cover their faces with them inside the mall. I suspect the mall also sell motorbike crash helmets but I am sure they wouldn't let you wear those either.