So far, listening to half this lecture, the professor is talking about art generalities and, at best, talking around the supposed subject of the lecture, the Four Quartets -- rather than getting into the text itself to illuminate it. Instead, it seems to put a frame around the poem rather than to explore the poem itself.
"disturbing the dust" here the dust could be a symbolic embodiment of past and present, as in the biblical saying "dust thou art and to dust thou shall return". So the poet might be pointing out the futility of contemplating the past and present of human life, which is the "bowl of rose leaves"
Congratulations dear Professor, finally a lecture that gains my admiration and where I strongly believe to have learned, even if only the Beauty of your expressions.
This bloke shows the deep religious significance of the poem. A very good explication even though I am not religious as such: Thomas Howard, Professor Emeritus, St. John's Seminary, and author, "Dove Descending: A Journey into T.S. Eliot's Four Quartets" - Gordon College Symposium Key Note Address - Thursday April 18, 2013
'Four Quartets' makes no sense except as Christian mysticism. To say it describes a universal human experience that anyone of any faith can access is to misread it completely.
i 'only' have a bachelor's in Religious Studies, and i also detect traces of both Christian Mysticism and Gnostic elements. Juan de la Cruz and Meister Eckhart. But the major faiths have a mystical branch for a reason, like a release valve. i've loved F.Q. since high school. i think it's possible for students of Hinduism (Gita), Jewish mysticism (Zohar, Kabbalah), a Sufi mystic (Hafiz, Rumi) or just a sensitive reader to get something out of reading and rereading F.Q. imo i also expect Eliot's erudition to go beyond my hunches; the joy of reading is often such encounters with a mind far more original and comprehensive than my own.
FQ cannot be "misread". That is the whole point of poems such as these. If you go deep into it, as I did by writing a actual PhD thesis on it, then you would get all the ingredients that went into making this dish. Your argument is like saying that nobody can enjoy a mean without knowing all the individual spices and ingredients that went into making it. 4Q is so universal that it reaches anyone on the basis on their personal experience. Like the music of Mozart or Paintings of Picasso or sth similar.
Intellect' is very subjective, it can be very facetious, pretentious and yet it can be very simple and delightful, delighting in simple verses and understanding... i have come across so called poems or writing in their effort to be pseudo intellect, it was so obviously put off, boring stupid pieces of those efforts, A genuine intellect immediately catches on to what is what , even intelligent genuine difficult piece will connect with the ones who understand it, but that group is niche like' critics choice' then what delights the masses.
So far, listening to half this lecture, the professor is talking about art generalities and, at best, talking around the supposed subject of the lecture, the Four Quartets -- rather than getting into the text itself to illuminate it. Instead, it seems to put a frame around the poem rather than to explore the poem itself.
Thank you Professor Belinda Jack and thank you Gresham College.
I personally find the opening of the first movement of Burnt Norton very incantatory.
"disturbing the dust" here the dust could be a symbolic embodiment of past and present, as in the biblical saying "dust thou art and to dust thou shall return". So the poet might be pointing out the futility of contemplating the past and present of human life, which is the "bowl of rose leaves"
Oh, Dame Helen Gardner--what a perfect quotation! (I want to be Helen Gardner when I grow up.) "We must find the meaning in the reading."
I hear the author or Alex Guinness voice when life gives me the lemons... and that works, and can see 🌹 s
Congratulations dear Professor, finally a lecture that gains my admiration and where I strongly believe to have learned, even if only the Beauty of your expressions.
Don't get me wrong. Much was learned and left to reflect. Amazing clarity and supposedly only the crust of you. Honored.
This bloke shows the deep religious significance of the poem. A very good explication even though I am not religious as such: Thomas Howard, Professor Emeritus, St. John's Seminary, and author, "Dove Descending: A Journey into T.S. Eliot's Four Quartets" - Gordon College Symposium Key Note Address - Thursday April 18, 2013
As a convict atheist I may consider some propriety on your comments. But limited by the greater meaning of poetic Flux of conscienceness.
So how did he acquire that accent?
As you must have one.
Why The waste land is considered a masterpiece and the most important of the century and not the Four Quartets
Yes. The four quartets are the summit.
Because TWL was first and more ground breaking?
There are arguments for both being his Magnum Opus. Depends on you approach to his biography.
Well Done..!
'Four Quartets' makes no sense except as Christian mysticism. To say it describes a universal human experience that anyone of any faith can access is to misread it completely.
Exactly, if you don't understand st John of the Cross you won't fully get 4Q
i 'only' have a bachelor's in Religious Studies, and i also detect traces of both Christian Mysticism and Gnostic elements. Juan de la Cruz and Meister Eckhart. But the major faiths have a mystical branch for a reason, like a release valve. i've loved F.Q. since high school. i think it's possible for students of Hinduism (Gita), Jewish mysticism (Zohar, Kabbalah), a Sufi mystic (Hafiz, Rumi) or just a sensitive reader to get something out of reading and rereading F.Q. imo
i also expect Eliot's erudition to go beyond my hunches; the joy of reading is often such encounters with a mind far more original and comprehensive than my own.
FQ cannot be "misread". That is the whole point of poems such as these.
If you go deep into it, as I did by writing a actual PhD thesis on it, then you would get all the ingredients that went into making this dish.
Your argument is like saying that nobody can enjoy a mean without knowing all the individual spices and ingredients that went into making it.
4Q is so universal that it reaches anyone on the basis on their personal experience. Like the music of Mozart or Paintings of Picasso or sth similar.
Intellect' is very subjective, it can be very facetious, pretentious and yet it can be very simple and delightful, delighting in simple verses and understanding... i have come across so called poems or writing in their effort to be pseudo intellect, it was so obviously put off, boring stupid pieces of those efforts, A genuine intellect immediately catches on to what is what , even intelligent genuine difficult piece will connect with the ones who understand it, but that group is niche like' critics choice' then what delights the masses.
Difficult poetry is only those clause-phrase-stanzas which the writer did not wish or could not make evident by means of skill.