Orb Producer Suite Vs Captain Plugins
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- An AI music plugins deep dive of Orb Producer Suite VS Captain Plugins
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Intro (0:00)
Orb Chords (2:36)
Captain Chords (4:33)
Captain Play (6:45)
Orb Bass (9:15)
Captain Deep (10:13)
A note about chord progressions (12:19)
Captain Melody (13:52)
Orb Melody (15:15)
How they sync up? (16:18)
Orb Arpeggio (17:25)
Captain Beat (19:09)
Are you wasting time worrying about song arrangement?
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The internet connection thing on Captain Chords was about piracy and stuff. There's a huge thread about it on their forum how customers keep asking them to get rid of it because it really impacts the experience, but they keep saying "no no", and they lost so many customers because of it. That's actually the reason they lost me as a customer as well
I'm in the same boat with you. I purchased Captain Plugins and internet connection drove me crazy. I'll never purchase any plugin that requires internet connection again.
Indeed heavy internet use means they are copying our work..
I get that, but it seems like the move for almost all software these days...
Orb Producer suite looks like a former pissed off Captain Chords employee left them and spilled some secrets and ideas to the competitor. They really improved on so many things that Captain Chords do, all they need to do now is add drums and the Captain will be in trouble. The Captain needs to answer with an update or Orb Producer and Scaler 2 will make them irrelevant very quickly.
Yeah, the AI on Hexachords' previous software (Orb Composer) was pretty genius, but lacked in the UI/Usability department.
They obviously learned a thing or two about implementation from that former Captain Chords employee since then ;)
I hope captain chords gets in trouble business wise. That's what happens when you don't listen to your customers who are literally saying "take my money, just fix this one thing", and they're like "we ain't fixing nothing, we don't want no money". Other competitors can put them out, cause CC sucks with their decisions.
I realize this sounds kinda hateful or whatever, but that's how business works. If you don't give potential customers what they ask for, you will reap the consequences (and tons of lost sales. And any company who does that willingly without thinking clearly deserves what happens to them)
I compose music, Orb Producer, is way way more advance, I have, yet, to use it, but when I was playing with it, it is more musical and is capable of complex and advanced ideas... and yes, it even does non diatonic (outside the selected scale, while still sounding right for the scale selected.) chord and melody progression. which is exponentially more advance....
Thank you for taking the time to leave this comment. I'm finding that orb producer is the fastest way for me to make new music.
I just picked up the new orb producer suite 3. Ive used captain chords for a few years and only use it when i need some inspiration/new ideas. I haven’t tested out ORB yet but its gotten so many positive reviews i figured it was good to add to the arsenal. I also picked up Scaler 2 a few months ago which i LOVE. Its inspiring and you learn a lot while using it. Again I don’t always use any of these type plugins but are good when you need some ideas/ inspiration or sometimes variations of chords and melodies.great comparison. You should do an update on this when the new Captains comes out in December.
Thanks for leaving a comment. I use scaler 2 as well. Orb is great when I'm completely uninspired and just want to push a button. Lol.
Hi! First of all, thanks for great content! I am thinking to buy Orb Producer Suite 3 and Captain Beat for the rhythm. What do you think? I also wanted to ask do you maybe know if they fixed that chord progression mistakes in Orb Producer? Those that you mentioned in august 2020, that is it not always perfectly in key... Thanks!
video will be coming soon. i'll check on that later today.
Wounderful presentation - Thanq
No problem. Orb stuff can get glitchy, but so can captain. Let me know if you have any questions. There's new versions now.
Captain plugin is not open in Cubase13. Where I get captain plugin of VST 3 support ?
@@taalmuzica2048 sorry it's not working. I'm just a guy on the internet. Reach out to Mixed in Key support. Their email is contact@mixedinkey.com . You should be able to request a refund from them, or even the bank if it doesn't work. I've never had any issues with it in Studio One. Did you use the license key? They call it a VIP code. It should be in your email.
Looks like they released a new version, did you have the chance to try it? Will the cover the new features?
Yeah, been working on the video. Main new features are the harmonize function, renaming themes, and the ability to auto detect chords while playing.
Great review. I didn’t know Captain Chords wouldn’t work without internet connection. Deal breaker for me.
Yeah, it's weird like that.
Thank you BTW
This!
@@GetSongsDone you kinda favor Murs from Impractical Jokers🤔
DEAL BREAKER!!!!
I very interesting in ord producer suite but I'm not sure how to set up this....is it just like a vst ,just put it into my studio one?🤔
Yes. It's actually a bundle of 4 vsts. Thanks for watching :)
@@GetSongsDone thank you're video, I wanna buy both of the video plug in , but I don't sure how to use this ord producer suite, i think they are very beautiful that I want.( • ̀ω•́ )✧
Hit the link in the description to get the plugins. You'll have to purchase from Hexachords. They have some getting started tutorials on their channel :)
Very Good - thx !
Welcome
Keep grinding
thanks BTW.
Can we find the chords of any song with Orb Producer Suite 2 ??
Nope, but you can with Studio One by extracting chords to the chord track. No studio one, maybe use scaler, or melodyne editor. Also, sometimes a Google search works.
I only got mixed in key from CC, didn't want everything. Hexichord looks good.
Thanks for a really helpful review. I have Odesi / Captain Chords and after a postive review of Orb by Doctor Mix, (the most upbeat soul on the internet!), I was wondering if it was worth getting Orb as well.
I totally agree about the slightly clunky interface on Captain and also I believe you can add any number of additional verses / sections on Orb, where as on Captain you seem to be limted to verse, pre chorus, chorus and drop. You can obviously export and then amend a verse. I may have missed how to add extra sections but that highlights another shortcoming in my opinion, there is no manual, just hints and a few helpful videos.
Also, the sounds on Captain remind me of my trusty old Yamha TG100, (circa 1996).
Yes, they have a sale going during Thanksgiving weekend. Check the link in the description!
Hi , if you had to choose between CC and Odesi what would you pick? I'm currently looking to buy just one, since supposedly they do the same, just CC is a plugin suite and Odesi a standalone that can host VSTis
@@germanher7528 cc for the drums and workflow
I cant get this plugin to wrk with mpc software cause the software wont read vst 3 files
Works with MPC beats
Guess ill hv to try
Saw a video of someone doing it
Get it working? If it doesn't work, you can get studio one 5 pro for 15/month through Presonus Sohere and use MPC Beats as a plugin inside of studio one
Does Orb have something like Tension? As someone who is not schooled (I got as far as playing a recorder in school ;-) ) I do like the fact that Captain Plugins attempts at making me a bit more knowledgeable. It's also why it is fairly good to edit the melody inside Captain Melody rather than pasting it first cause then you lose how it supports you. I guess with no melody editing in Orb it doesn't matter that much really if it had as you'll fiddle with it outside Orb and hence it wouldn't help you. It does feel like it's why you skip over the feature as you'll be tempted to see it from an Orb workflow which simply can't provide support in this area (you might also care less if you are less likely to sin against music theory). If I see Orb at an interesting price on sale I'd probably buy it just to play around with as it does look like it can give fun results really fast. If there's one thing I'm not short on it's good synths though so I don't think it's a redeeming quality in either really.
Fair enough. Thanks for commenting. Keep making music 🎶
Was going to buy CC thank god i saw this ,Orbs way better and the internet issues with CC a definite no no .
Captain chords works. It's just a slower process. Also, the drums are nice to have. But yeah, I find myself using orb producer on almost every project. Even if it's just to come up with a melody line in the background. I've gotten so lazy. LOL.
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This is the only in-depth comparison video I've seen on these two. Does Captain Beat need internet connection as well?
Thanks, that is a great question. I'll double check, but pretty sure it does...
What CC doesn't work without internet? and what about orb?
Cc does not work without the internet
Adding chords is not an extra step compared to changing the chord, one button for each action ;). I guess still it has some disadvantages. Like you cant select last chord and edit that at first unless you added 4+ chords at first and then edit...
What is your experience using both of them? do you think having both of them is a great idea? or just have any one of them is good? please let me know your thoughts.
I find myself mostly using orb and occasionally scaler 2.
How do i get the ORB plugins to work?
Just like any other plugin inside your DAW
No internet connection needed with Orb Producer Suite its all I need even if you can't draw your melody like in captain its still better by allowing offline working.
Any chance of adding sundog into the showdown?
Never used sundog, but it looks like standalone software. Which would add an additional step to getting songs done.
This is a pretty good overview of both (I have the Captain plugins).
Personally, I feel the Captain plugins are targetted at EDM(all genres)/Hip Hop/Trap producers whereas Orb really would be great for traditional music in all honesty.
I saw that because the Captain Deep plugin basically just gives you a root note bass (or opposite) which when you listen to those types of music, basslines tend to be really simple (a frequency to fill the spectrum vs a moving part more akin to a counter melody in almost all of the popular music) and arps are usually much simpler and directly generated in the DAW/Synth directly from the chords making an "arpeggio" plugin completely redundant. I think that the last point on the ARPs is especially true because what Orb generated ear the end based on the other plugins really was more of a counter melody which, if worked correctly, would sound amazing in just about any production.
I will say Captain Melody took me quite a while to learn (like 6 months on and off from getting frustrated with it while producing songs lol) to generate usable melodies that only required minor editing versus everything I've seen with Orb Melody you can really easily generate a decent melody almost out of the box, but everything else is really useful and great for getting the backbone and parts of a song laid out.
Lastly, I do think if you can swing it, having both definitely seems like the way to go as you could quickly create all sorts of songs in any genre and at least have the progressions, melody, arps, sick basslines, and drums all lined up for a vocalist especially if you're a "beats" producer you could be easily making 4-5 solid beats a week without hardly breaking a sweat.
Thank you for taking the time to write such a succinct overview. Pretty much the same conclusion that I came to...If only I could have so elegantly found the words in my review. Maybe on the next one.
Thank you for watching the entire video by the way.
I was thinking about doing something like this. I agree, Orb Producer is a far superior suite of plugins. Excellent video. I'm not sure if it's on my end or not but the audio seems to be slightly out of sync.
hmm...been having a little trouble with OBS. Might have to switch screen recording software. Anyone else have this issue?
@@GetSongsDone What is the issue? I use Streamlabs OBS primarily but also have used OBS for a long time..
@@fidgetjones4493 read previous comment. i think it's just because i was using reafir noise reduction instead of OBS'
Captain Melody can do arpeggios. You just need to tinker with the lanes and tensions. It is not 1-click, but it works.
You didn't even use the rhythms that ship with Captain Chords.
Thank you for the feedback. I didnt think about using cap melody that way for arps... What a good idea 💡
I did go over captain's chord rhythms while recording, but must have accidentally edited them out of my video. Forgive me, I'm still relatively new at this.
If anyone is wondering, Captain Chords' built in rhythms have a very EDM feel to them, but are otherwise pretty good.
I said almost the same thing
So which one is better?
If you need drums, or detailed melody editing, captain. If you want to produce quickly and have each part complement each other automatically, Orb.
@@GetSongsDone so I should use both bro
@@GetSongsDone bro is this and orb composer the same thing because I have orb composer?
@@Freeloops-rl2xz no, it's Orb Producer. similar algorithms, but this is the VST version with a cool new synth.
@@GetSongsDone alright I got orb composer tho
Go with "House Engine and Scaler 2" the best musical ideas are there..
Hasn't heard of house engine. Scaler 2 is great. Also, Reason 12?
@@GetSongsDone House engine is by feelyoursound..Absolutely amazing,export complex chords from Scaler then go with it..You dont need any piano player..
id hold off on orbs stuff . the devs removed the free trial which is a bit shady you can request a free refund but yeah.........i think captians plguins have more to o offerr with the melody and beats.. the melody and arp that is made with orb seems a bit too generic and c cpatins plugisn iare better for dance plus with the new midi edit feature is great
I'd agree captain is better for EDM/ Dance music. They don't have a free trial either though, or arpeggios. All arpeggios are somewhat pedestrian, but orbs seems to have some surprise depth if you tweak the settings. Thanks for taking the time to write and for your feedback :) I may be a little biased toward orb. Keep making music!
Orb producer and Playbeat Or HY-RPE2 with your drum machine💪💪💪💪💪💪
Just get Scaler 2 !
Lol
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You totally missed that the captain plugins can integrate VSTi's and use those for whatever sounds you like
yeah, I forgot about that... I haven't used Captain much since version 4. They just added that in 5.
Great feature, although routing MIDI is pretty easy in most DAWs. Still, I might have to completely redo this video 🤦♂️
@infrablade : being able to load a VST inside another VST is pretty useless in a DAW ... Routing the Midi is way easier and more flexible.
@@blackrachmaninov I agree about routing being more flexible, but if you want to keep your track count down and your session uncluttered, loading it inside can help with that
@@blackrachmaninov This was speaking to the argument of there being no access to good/great sound banks or synths within the plug-ins. I can't agree with that statement of being unless at all! I do it all the time in DAW environments and quite effectively!
Even utilizing Akai's MPC as a VSTi within a Full fledged DAW, with instruments and effects plugins in use within the MPC... Perhaps your workflow is contrary to the use of these methods but mine works well with them!
Chord composer eats the cpu that's my only problem with it
they both are pretty cpu hungry, but yeah the patches in the Orb suite are more robust for sure
@@GetSongsDone yea man it's dreadful I hope they update it more
This is not a fair review of captain plugins. Trust me on that. If there is any of the two products that's too busy and clunky then it's not captain plugins. Your review seems more targeted at favoring Orbs. But this may not be deliberate from you. You were already describing captain deep crapsh*t even before going deep in it. You said the rhythms are a bunch of random ones. You don't think the rhythms in obs are equally random ones hidden behind a control? That complex chord stuff you talk about in orbs is even easier with captain chords. There is wide selection of complex rhythms, variations and presets in captain which you can access with a click. Captain also comes with a feature that allows you create beats for verse, prechorus, chorus etc. Secondly, you can't use captain plugins in isolation, they were designed to interact with one another. Therefore, if you create a chord in captain, it will give you only the bass or melody that suits the chord. But it's all good.
Thank you for taking the time to write this. You may be right about me favoring Orb, but it sounds like you haven't even used Orb Producer at all. Both of these sets of plugins "talk" to each other and generate song sections (Orb can generate as many as you like, not just verse, pre chorus, chorus, bridge) Orbs parts seem to communicate in a more musical way. Try it out and you'll see. I do really like Captain Plugins, especially Captain Beat. If it weren't for Captain Plugins, I don't think Orb Producer would exist.
WARNING: I would stay away from this company Hexachords they were pushing Orb Composer a year ago and then just discontinued the product leaving there customer base with NOTHING. That product was expensive!
I think Orb Composer wasn't coded properly overall, but through that process they created incredible musical algorithms. Now you can use those algorithms in the new Orb Producer and it runs much smoother inside of your favorite DAW.
@@GetSongsDone The coding is not the issue its how they took the customers money then abandon them without compensation.
Have you asked them for a refund?
Nobody is going to buy anything that requires an internet connection. Limits its use by about 90%
It's a tough sell. I'd skip both of these for now.
CC not working with no internet is a deal breaker.
yeah, it's sad.
@@GetSongsDone I would've bought it, but I saw the huge outcry. Even generating the sounds needs internet. There's a massive thread on their forum with everybody complaining how it's not fixed and they won't buy the product until it's fixed, and the developer just refuses to do anything (turning away business). It's awful. Thankfully I found orb now
@@aqua3418 I think it's just a main part of how the plugin communicates with itself. So sad.
@@GetSongsDone it's like they trust their own users, so even people who buy are placed on lockdown :/
I don't like to assume, but it's definitely a possibility. You use orb in a track yet?
But all.of them sound like shit...for now .... The melody builder is kind of random the only good thing is chord builder that usefull.anything else not...I think Avia is the best so far with their technology ...but this will get better in time so I'm kind of exited and scared at the same time ...I hate the idea that you don't need any knowledge and skills to create music it just kills out life purpose :(
Avia is next level, but pricey. Also, it's extra steps getting midi into your daw. I wouldn't discount orb. Hexachords has been in this space for awhile.
Clearly biased from the first minute. Leave out your opinions and just show the products.
You are totally right. I actually went through and cut out a bunch of my opinions. Either way, I'd say get both if you can. video is updated.
Both plugins are ultimately just a gimmick! There is nothing like your own ideas and their implementation. You will never land a hit with these plugins! It's just for people with no own ideas who wanna play a litte bit!
Music today is pretty meh. Don't see why these couldn't make a hit. Lol