I thank you from the bottom of my heart. You brought back to life something that had been abandoned for years. I tried repeatedly to make a new system for it, but I was unable. Thank you again.
One of the saddest ewaste stories has been the Surface RT. These things would be often used even today had they not been locked down. They could have been great 50 dollar beater work tablets but they were locked down to Windows RT.
The desktop mode of Windows 8 ARM (aka. RT) was locked down to running only Microsoft-signed apps at the API level. Even though Microsoft HAD SUPPORT for compiling your own ARM desktop apps in Visual Studio ! From technical point of view, the decision to restrict desktop mode makes absolutely zero sense. My very best guess that this was done purely for marketing reasons (to prevent ARM devices from competing with more premium x86 models) and to reduce support costs.
1:48 It might be a fun experiment to try, but if you have one from years ago that you used, it could breathe new life as...maybe a digital picture frame or a wall mounted web-based public transit schedule display.
With Microsoft store being locked out on the device it literally only can play movies if u were lucky to get vlc back in the day when it worked, otherwise it is just a picture frame/big calculator
I had managed to do this myself with the Surface RT and it was a fun process! Wasn't too difficult although I do know my way around. Awesome too see you attempt it too!
@GUIZAGG as long as the apps support arm32 I believe so, don't believe there are many but there's a possibility. Maybe there's a Linux distro that can run on the Surface RT?
There are certain software applications you could download an arm32 package for. It would not be a fun experience because of the old equipment but you would be able to get "modern" stuff to run...
12:50 HOLD UP - MS-DOS mobile is in there!! That was an MS official Windows RT/mobile exclusive app from what I recall. Haven't ever been able to fiddle with it and the x86 versions of the MS store hides it.
When I lived in South Florida many years ago, I did some work fixing people's home computer problems. One of my customers told me that he had gotten a great deal on a Surface RT tablet. I did not have the heart to tell him that it was a great deal because Microsoft was discontinuing Windows on ARM back then. I don't even remember his name so I cannot contact him to let him know that he could try this. I doubt that he still has his Surface RT tablet anyway.
Just used this video as a guide to install Windows 10 onto my $15 thrift store Surface RT. Was shockingly painless, aside from the download process taking nearly 6 hours for some reason. Performance still kinda sucks, but at least more things seem to work, at least for now.
I think my dad downloaded Windows 10 on a Surface RT, he used to have one way back when and I would hop on it from time to time when he would let me. Once, I ended up losing an SD Card that was inside it, he needed it for work and if something were to happen to it, he'd get into serious trouble with his employer or something, I'm not entirely sure. I think that when he downloaded Windows 10 on his Surface RT, the boot-up screen was entirely red while the Surface logo's background was black. A bit of a weird bug, but it still worked surprisingly well.
At least for some time, Visual Studio allowed to compile software for desktop ARM32. I'm curious if you can cross-compile open-source Win32 ARM32 software to run on this build or on the jailbroken RT8.1
Interesting video. The one thing I'd need to make my RT slightly usable again is a newer browser than IE. Maybe the old Edge would be enough, but no chance of finding a Firefox or Chrome-version that will run?
For anyone who asks, unfortunately, no other builds of Windows 10 were leaked in ARM32, the architecture that Surface RT's CPU uses, leaves alone Windows 11. The released Windows 10 on ARM is actually ARM64, not ARM32.
Hey Michael, I think that maybe Linux for ARM32 could be a good idea to run on Surface RT, it could make an interesting video and would enable this device to be daily usable, as it would still be updated. You might be able to use Linux for Raspberry PI as it has ARM32 and touch support, or you might be able to run some Linux distribution meant for Linux Phones, or just go with standard conventional desktop version of Linux distributions that have Arm32 support, like OpenSUSE or Arch.
Manjaro has ARM based builds of it's distro, and since it's arch-based it's much more likely to contain any packages necessary to get Surface features working.
@@Daktyl198That is for ARM's AArch64 architecture, not for the 32 bit present in the Surface RT. There is a project that targets Linux on Surface RT, but it never was really complete. At least last time I looked into it.
@@5Hydroxytryptophan are all of them like that? I know Manjaro publishes builds that target a wide array of specific hardware, aside from the “generic” AArch64 build. I was thinking at least one of those has to be an older 32-bit arm processor.
Thank you very much! You just did something Microsoft didn't do! Electronic sustainability! How did Microsoft abandon this equipment that cost customers money!? Thanks to you, I'm going to reuse it and offer it to a young person who can't afford to buy a new one! Thank you one more time!
The reason for the lack of Arm32 apps available in the Microsoft Store nowadays is likely because after RT, the need for Arm32 architecture support for apps was unnecessary since the only devices that could run Windows 10 on Arm were Arm64 devices (this build being the only exception to that), thus app developers only compiled the apps for Arm64-based devices on Windows 10. This is also further hampered by the fact that Microsoft Store (UWP) apps don't work on Windows 8 or 8.1 (Windows Store apps are distributed separately from MS Store apps), leaving no need for the apps to support Arm32 on Windows 10 in practice. Apparently now Microsoft is going to remove support for Arm32 apps (found on the Windows 11 system requirements page) "in a future release of Windows 11", but it has a little anecdote saying "...for the small number of apps affected" which _implies_ there are still some Arm32-compatible apps available in the Microsoft Store, but who knows how to find them if they do still exist given there is no way to search/sort apps by architecture in the store.
I have an Arm64 laptop running Windows 11 that came with some Arm32 apps pre-loaded (and i know one peice of software that has an Arm32 version downloadable from the developers website, as to why they release an Arm32 version, im not entirely sure)
Thanks for the video! I've managed to install this ARM32 Windows 10 build on my Lumia 640 phone. That's a lot of fun but in the end just as useless as running it on this Surface RT as no recent apps support ARM32.
Watching this video of you not using the Windows 10 tablet mode on the Surface RT was a bit irritating, It would have been interesting to compare It to the Windows 8.1. Oh well, great video anyways!
When this build was made there would have been a lot of apps compiled for Windows Phone that would have worked but after Windows Phone was Discontinued Arm32 apps disappeared from the store. A lot of phone apps were compatible with "desktop" devices as it is easier to develop and debug an app if it runs on a windows 10 computer not just a phone and developers wont bother removing computer support when uploading the app to the store. There were no ARM32 computers so it didn't matter if the ARM32 build said it could run on phones and computers. I do wonder if this is why Arm32 app support was removed from Windows 11 Arm64 so old Windows phone apps would not show up for Arm64 users.
Hi, When I click the link for the Windows Media Builder, it gives a message "Not authorized. You do not have permissions to access this space. Contact the organization administrator to configure access". I have signed in with my Google account. I don't know what else to do. Can anyone help?
if you put glass prism on your device background wallpaper the light that shine from outside to the inside room will separate into many light color composition like in silicon wafer chip color or opal gemstone color Sir
This is pretty timely since there's a local used Surface RT2 for dirt cheap I was eyeing to tinker with, though I was thinking to try running Linux on it.
Fun fact but used as to be : you HAVE TO jailbreak your Surface RT to first install Golden Keys, then Yahallo, BEFORE you install Windows 10 on it because if you don’t jailbreak it and when you trying to boot into your USB it will not doing that task
anyone reading this, windows 10 RT is very usable. outta all the videos everyone says it doesnt work but shows no proof. yes it does work, lets me gmail, stream live sports, tv and movies.
If I'm not mistaken Windows 10 on arm did have access emulation baked into it, at least whenever I ran it on my pi4 it did, I don't know if they ever had it for the arm v7 version of Windows but I know it was on the arm V8 version!
would love a tutorial on getting linux on one of these!! i got one back in the day and was really disappointed with RT's limitations and would love for it to have a second life. god that thing will feel gross, it's had rainbow duct tape on it for over 10 years
I remember years ago (probably 5 or so) we had a few RTs at work and I kept thinking about how great Linux would be on it,but at the time, it wasn't possible... I would love to see it attempted now
It's gonna be hard because alot of distros dropped even support for x32. So to find a distro that supports arm 32 is gonna be hard. I found a few but they only have arm 64. I think debain might have an arm 32.
I was given one of these a couple months back I installed windows 10 thinking I could play portal on it because why not and I would NOT recommend doing this you can’t install any apps off browsers and very few apps are compatible in the Microsoft store so basically you can only really web browse on it and that’s about it also I can’t even update mine because it needs to download the update through the web browser which it doesn’t allow you to do for some stupid reason
I once had a Lenovo Yoga and I loved the hardware and form factor, but Windows RT was a piece of crap back then. If you could get a nice Linux running on it, I would immediately go buy a used one somewhere.
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A MJD video where everything doesn't go wrong? Shocking
Bro this edible ain't shi...
woah, spoilers
Shocking 😱
@adilmaya1246Jeremy Dash
@@unamelable256 yea makin me tripin!
Finally the thing isn't useless!
still is; very underpowered
@@botchedrepair1542still better than my laptop
Oh it is, Windows 11 struggles on my Surface Go so 10 will be at a crawl on this
@@jbritainbut still better than my laptop.
I doubt many windows applications will run (well) on arm32
It really is crazy to think about browsers from 2017 already being outdated and broken.
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Note: Windows XP is 22 years old 💀
Note: you now feel old.
Note: Windows XP is older than the universe itself
Chain break 😂
I thank you from the bottom of my heart. You brought back to life something that had been abandoned for years. I tried repeatedly to make a new system for it, but I was unable. Thank you again.
Did ya not consider Linux an option?
This reminds me of installing the Play Store on Amazon tablets. Unsupported, but still required to do almost anything useful with the device.
I couldn't get the Play Store working on my 2017 Amazon Fire.
One of the saddest ewaste stories has been the Surface RT. These things would be often used even today had they not been locked down. They could have been great 50 dollar beater work tablets but they were locked down to Windows RT.
they are not locked down, it's just the only OS version they can run having an ARM32 processor
@@Anon-y4w yes, they are. Unless I'm very wrong, you can't just boot any 32 bit Linux distro on it out of the box.
@@Anon-y4w Do you know how to get a Linux build on it? It required a jailbreak the last I looked.
@@awesomeferret I meant from Windows world
The desktop mode of Windows 8 ARM (aka. RT) was locked down to running only Microsoft-signed apps at the API level. Even though Microsoft HAD SUPPORT for compiling your own ARM desktop apps in Visual Studio ! From technical point of view, the decision to restrict desktop mode makes absolutely zero sense.
My very best guess that this was done purely for marketing reasons (to prevent ARM devices from competing with more premium x86 models) and to reduce support costs.
It's always a surprise when an MJD video has no issues!
1:48 It might be a fun experiment to try, but if you have one from years ago that you used, it could breathe new life as...maybe a digital picture frame or a wall mounted web-based public transit schedule display.
That second example is wildly specific
great smart home panel if you know how
@@kylespevak6781 Wildly specific, but wildly great!
With Microsoft store being locked out on the device it literally only can play movies if u were lucky to get vlc back in the day when it worked, otherwise it is just a picture frame/big calculator
I had managed to do this myself with the Surface RT and it was a fun process! Wasn't too difficult although I do know my way around. Awesome too see you attempt it too!
@GUIZAGG as long as the apps support arm32 I believe so, don't believe there are many but there's a possibility. Maybe there's a Linux distro that can run on the Surface RT?
I first thought this was going to be in the original video of the Surface RT, but here it is!
Fun fact: on 15035 the "night light" feature will actually turn the screen blue instead of red on the Surface RT
There are certain software applications you could download an arm32 package for. It would not be a fun experience because of the old equipment but you would be able to get "modern" stuff to run...
Really great install mod, thank for showing this!
Wow I can't believe 2017 was that long ago... I feel old. Really excited for the Linux episode
Windows 7 was 8 years old and still widely used in 2017. Now it is long out of support and will be 15 at some point in 2024...
God dang time flies.
12:50 HOLD UP - MS-DOS mobile is in there!! That was an MS official Windows RT/mobile exclusive app from what I recall. Haven't ever been able to fiddle with it and the x86 versions of the MS store hides it.
It's an April Fools app that recreates a MS-DOS like interface. It's just for fun and doesn't do anything but perform some Easter eggs
@@andreg011 Good info, I am aware, although I'd still like to try it out even if only for novelty's sake.
This is interesting since Windows 10 is a cross-compatible operating system. Good experiment!
Ahh the nostalgia for the old windows 10.
Always a good day when there's an MJD video
agreed
agreed
When I lived in South Florida many years ago, I did some work fixing people's home computer problems. One of my customers told me that he had gotten a great deal on a Surface RT tablet. I did not have the heart to tell him that it was a great deal because Microsoft was discontinuing Windows on ARM back then. I don't even remember his name so I cannot contact him to let him know that he could try this. I doubt that he still has his Surface RT tablet anyway.
You really Inspired me to get into tech stuff
You are my favorite youtuber
Thank you and keep it up!
I actually have one of these lying in a drawer. I just haven't gotten around throwing it away.
But now I think I know what to do with it.
_Thanks!_
Just used this video as a guide to install Windows 10 onto my $15 thrift store Surface RT. Was shockingly painless, aside from the download process taking nearly 6 hours for some reason. Performance still kinda sucks, but at least more things seem to work, at least for now.
I think my dad downloaded Windows 10 on a Surface RT, he used to have one way back when and I would hop on it from time to time when he would let me. Once, I ended up losing an SD Card that was inside it, he needed it for work and if something were to happen to it, he'd get into serious trouble with his employer or something, I'm not entirely sure. I think that when he downloaded Windows 10 on his Surface RT, the boot-up screen was entirely red while the Surface logo's background was black. A bit of a weird bug, but it still worked surprisingly well.
Huh.
At least for some time, Visual Studio allowed to compile software for desktop ARM32. I'm curious if you can cross-compile open-source Win32 ARM32 software to run on this build or on the jailbroken RT8.1
yes, you can
Finally a video with only a minor inconvenience instead of everything going wrong
Interesting video. The one thing I'd need to make my RT slightly usable again is a newer browser than IE. Maybe the old Edge would be enough, but no chance of finding a Firefox or Chrome-version that will run?
I'd be interested to see how it works with Linux - so if you want to do another experiment with the Surface RT, why not?
It would only work with arm based linux distros.
We need more video like this
An MJD Video without any problems ❤
Another nice video, as always. It's cool to see that it's actually possible to get Windows 10 running on this device.
For anyone who asks, unfortunately, no other builds of Windows 10 were leaked in ARM32, the architecture that Surface RT's CPU uses, leaves alone Windows 11. The released Windows 10 on ARM is actually ARM64, not ARM32.
Hey Michael, I think that maybe Linux for ARM32 could be a good idea to run on Surface RT, it could make an interesting video and would enable this device to be daily usable, as it would still be updated. You might be able to use Linux for Raspberry PI as it has ARM32 and touch support, or you might be able to run some Linux distribution meant for Linux Phones, or just go with standard conventional desktop version of Linux distributions that have Arm32 support, like OpenSUSE or Arch.
agreed, linux on arm is a lot better than windows on arm. there is even arm64 linux so if the rt supports arm64/aarch64 that works too.
@@SimonBauer7 Nvidia Tegra 3 is unfortunately 32 bit only (Cortex-A9).
Manjaro has ARM based builds of it's distro, and since it's arch-based it's much more likely to contain any packages necessary to get Surface features working.
@@Daktyl198That is for ARM's AArch64 architecture, not for the 32 bit present in the Surface RT.
There is a project that targets Linux on Surface RT, but it never was really complete. At least last time I looked into it.
@@5Hydroxytryptophan are all of them like that? I know Manjaro publishes builds that target a wide array of specific hardware, aside from the “generic” AArch64 build. I was thinking at least one of those has to be an older 32-bit arm processor.
Thank you very much! You just did something Microsoft didn't do! Electronic sustainability!
How did Microsoft abandon this equipment that cost customers money!?
Thanks to you, I'm going to reuse it and offer it to a young person who can't afford to buy a new one!
Thank you one more time!
Wow, I never knew there were ARM32 builds of Windows 10, I thought all ARM builds were exclusively 64-bit, this is cool
You will be surprised to know there is also ARM32 build of Windows 7 which also could be ran on Surface RT - just google windows arm build 8061.
@@StasM It's an early build of Windows RT. If you didn't know, early builds of a new version of Windows retain the branding of its predecessor.
finally a installation with out a problems : )
rarity in IT.
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THANK YOU SOO MUCH MJD! Now i can make my surface rt useful again
The reason for the lack of Arm32 apps available in the Microsoft Store nowadays is likely because after RT, the need for Arm32 architecture support for apps was unnecessary since the only devices that could run Windows 10 on Arm were Arm64 devices (this build being the only exception to that), thus app developers only compiled the apps for Arm64-based devices on Windows 10. This is also further hampered by the fact that Microsoft Store (UWP) apps don't work on Windows 8 or 8.1 (Windows Store apps are distributed separately from MS Store apps), leaving no need for the apps to support Arm32 on Windows 10 in practice.
Apparently now Microsoft is going to remove support for Arm32 apps (found on the Windows 11 system requirements page) "in a future release of Windows 11", but it has a little anecdote saying "...for the small number of apps affected" which _implies_ there are still some Arm32-compatible apps available in the Microsoft Store, but who knows how to find them if they do still exist given there is no way to search/sort apps by architecture in the store.
I have an Arm64 laptop running Windows 11 that came with some Arm32 apps pre-loaded
(and i know one peice of software that has an Arm32 version downloadable from the developers website, as to why they release an Arm32 version, im not entirely sure)
This is the video I've been waiting for
0:43 Michael, in IT, a small problem can become a huge hassle. Like moving from Java 11 to Java 17 and Spring Boot migration are a real
pain.
Holy Dell, I didn't said it but WOW. you did it good.
I own a RT, so this is going to be fun 😁 Thanks Michael 👍
As soon as I saw the first Surface video I knew this was only a matter of time 😂
i love how the usb drives everyone uses for a windows install is always one with a missing part
I've been looking forward to this.
That old edge app brings back memories
Finally, a video that doesn't goes south whilst installing software.
Didn’t expect this!
Finally I here at vid launch (9MIN AGO LAUNCH!)
Thanks for the video! I've managed to install this ARM32 Windows 10 build on my Lumia 640 phone. That's a lot of fun but in the end just as useless as running it on this Surface RT as no recent apps support ARM32.
You need to find then in xda forums.
yoo unlocked memory, i loved my surface i had this exact one andthe 3rd gen model, ahead of its time
wow, this is great, thank you Michael MJD!
Ayyy os2 merch chillin in the backround
Watching this video of you not using the Windows 10 tablet mode on the Surface RT was a bit irritating, It would have been interesting to compare It to the Windows 8.1. Oh well, great video anyways!
Shockingly smooth! How's that even possible?!😂😂😂
i know it's an actual beast! (for it's specs)
Ohhhh nice i have one of these surface rt's lying around so i might try installing it 😮😮
Finally! My RT is usable
i cant tell you how much greatfull i am for your video!! I just wanted to run netflix on it and it works perfectly!! Thank you so much!!
10:24 the 2020 efect (makes u think that's 2017 is like 2 years back 😢
I want to do the update... but its saying unsupported operating system... please retry on windows 10 build 15063 or above... i don't get it
If it's not working use a USB drive
If it's not working use a USB drive
If it's not working use a USB drive
If it's not working use a USB drive
you have to burn the iso on another device
since the rt surface doesn't support those apps
Last video: “aaand I definitely didn’t buy this Surface RT to install Windows 10”
Now:
When this build was made there would have been a lot of apps compiled for Windows Phone that would have worked but after Windows Phone was Discontinued Arm32 apps disappeared from the store. A lot of phone apps were compatible with "desktop" devices as it is easier to develop and debug an app if it runs on a windows 10 computer not just a phone and developers wont bother removing computer support when uploading the app to the store. There were no ARM32 computers so it didn't matter if the ARM32 build said it could run on phones and computers. I do wonder if this is why Arm32 app support was removed from Windows 11 Arm64 so old Windows phone apps would not show up for Arm64 users.
Hi, When I click the link for the Windows Media Builder, it gives a message "Not authorized. You do not have permissions to access this space. Contact the organization administrator to configure access". I have signed in with my Google account. I don't know what else to do. Can anyone help?
if you put glass prism on your device background wallpaper the light that shine from outside to the inside room will separate into many light color composition like in silicon wafer chip color or opal gemstone color Sir
It would be cool to see what the arm insider build of windows 11 would run like
It won’t run on it. It have to be ARM32 version.
This would make a great picture frame for the MIL.
first time I have seen a video posted within a minute
I would love to see what you could do with those vtech computers or an amstrad emailer 😎
Would it work with m1/m2 macbooks?
The most comprehensive guide online! Thanks MJD!
This is pretty timely since there's a local used Surface RT2 for dirt cheap I was eyeing to tinker with, though I was thinking to try running Linux on it.
I wonder if it's possible to run Android or Chrome OS on this.
Fun fact but used as to be : you HAVE TO jailbreak your Surface RT to first install Golden Keys, then Yahallo, BEFORE you install Windows 10 on it because if you don’t jailbreak it and when you trying to boot into your USB it will not doing that task
anyone reading this, windows 10 RT is very usable. outta all the videos everyone says it doesnt work but shows no proof. yes it does work, lets me gmail, stream live sports, tv and movies.
I followed this method and when I try to open the build it just says “error file missing” idk what I did wrong 😢
Thank you imma try this on my Surface RT
If I'm not mistaken Windows 10 on arm did have access emulation baked into it, at least whenever I ran it on my pi4 it did, I don't know if they ever had it for the arm v7 version of Windows but I know it was on the arm V8 version!
I think the release version of Windows 10 ARM (which I believe was only released as ARM64) supports x86 32 bit emulation
The link is no longer open or valid for the media builder :(
As a Chromium Edge user, seeing you use Microsoft Edge Legacy hurts so much
i had a surface RT, i just installed windows 10 and it worked without any mods
would love a tutorial on getting linux on one of these!! i got one back in the day and was really disappointed with RT's limitations and would love for it to have a second life. god that thing will feel gross, it's had rainbow duct tape on it for over 10 years
Omggg. I am so early. Only 22 seconds after upload. On top of that i was looking forward to this video since the unboxing video
hi
i cant boot from usb device
my flash disk is 32 GB
should i use a lower such as 16 or 8 GB ?
ahh - frustrating - just followed this - but seem to have the setup.exe file missing - strange - will try aagin tomorrow on a different pc :-(
BUT I LOVE THE NEW MICROSOFT SOLITAIRE COLLECTION
alternate title: turning a garbage trash computer into a ok computer
you make a lot of content that satisfies me
I downloaded by your link, but still show an error when right click on build.cmd after I copied from USB in driver C:
1:02 me: have a Mac. Time to pull up parallels desktop to run windows
Would love to see how much Linux would allow this thing to be useful.
I remember years ago (probably 5 or so) we had a few RTs at work and I kept thinking about how great Linux would be on it,but at the time, it wasn't possible...
I would love to see it attempted now
It's gonna be hard because alot of distros dropped even support for x32. So to find a distro that supports arm 32 is gonna be hard. I found a few but they only have arm 64. I think debain might have an arm 32.
Murphys law: anything that can go wrong, will go wrong
The golden key warning is because the golden key jailbreak is banned in 15035, by default it will not boot if golden key is installed.
Just got nostalgia to the older windows 10s... If microsoft could just kinda host an archive of older versions, and not force updates...
I was given one of these a couple months back I installed windows 10 thinking I could play portal on it because why not and I would NOT recommend doing this you can’t install any apps off browsers and very few apps are compatible in the Microsoft store so basically you can only really web browse on it and that’s about it also I can’t even update mine because it needs to download the update through the web browser which it doesn’t allow you to do for some stupid reason
I wanna see you install Windows RT on a Chromebook. I could do it on my school Chromebook if I wanted to - I already have the ISO!
nice this will help me a lot to install a usable version on it :D
If you want good touchscreen experience on Linux, fedora is pretty much the best choice.
I once had a Lenovo Yoga and I loved the hardware and form factor, but Windows RT was a piece of crap back then. If you could get a nice Linux running on it, I would immediately go buy a used one somewhere.
Did have anybody the Media Builder for the Update.I cant access the Gitbook page
same , i guess its down now
Push like if you want Michael to install linux on the Surface RT!
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Good Job, it's very useful!
I might do this later