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You've got the Mauler twins from _Invincible._ Two clones of each other. Should one of them die, the surviving twin will then clone himself and copy his memories and personality to him. After the process, the new duplicate will immediately try to gas-light the "original" into believing that _he_ is a duplicate of _him._
It's later revealed that there is actually a good reason for this apparent trolling. In order for them to work as equals one cannot be "superior" to the other. In one episode the "donor" was hideously scarred in their last battle, whilst his clone was not, so didn't fall for the usual ruse when he awoke. The clone then ended up doing the house work and being ordered around by the "original" that was until the clone poisoned him, thus starting the whole thing over again.
SEASON 2 SPOILER:
There's also the question of Donald in season 2. So far we've only seen that he has found out that Omni Man killed him and he doesn't remember it and is questioning his reality.
Now the Mauler Twin knows it's not the original and never will be. I'm hoping Season 3 will do something with that
In Fallout 4, there's Nick Valentine, a synth prototype designed to see how a synth would behave with a personality loaded in it vs DiMA who's designed to build a personality on his own. As you go through his character quest, he reveals his personality is a pre-war cop who had his brain scanned as part of an experimental trauma treatment. He talks about how he wakes up in a skip not knowing how he got there, then finding out his friends and family have been dead for 200 years, and that those memories weren't even his to begin with. He eventually comes to terms that he's his own synthetic person, but he owes the original Nick Valentine his memories, skills and morality
Basically also the premise of the game SOMA, but somehow even less happy
Robocop 1 is an absolute classic, but Robocop 2 has a special place in my heart and it's underrated and misunderstood.
It's probably a good thing they didn't make anymore Robocop-movies after this one...
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Gonna crib a line here and say
"That movie failed Detroit more than the automotive industry"
14:06 Ghost in the Shell deals with that for full-body prosthesis, by having the cyborg bodies be as human as possible. They LOOK organic, have skin, can feel touch etc, have eyelids, can eat, have sex, everything. So users KNOW their bodies are artificial, but are able to accept them because they still FEEL natural.
What i find interesting is how they also have the ither end of the spectrum where people have jameson bodies which are just metal boxes with hands and tiny legs. And other cheaper bodies that just look like mannequins.
I feel it’s as much about locked-in syndrome as much as phantom limb syndrome. A great example is the movie ‘Johnny Got His Gun’ which is about a man who is struck by a land mine and is completely unable to hear, see, speak or otherwise communicate, drifting between consciousness and sleep. That’s the horror of RoboCop and other stories mentioned in the video.
Ah! That'd be the origin of the Metallica song "One"!
Verhoeven making a brilliantly excessive satire action movie and the studio literally not understanding what their own product was to the point they funded a sequel *about* executives being clueless enough to make a terrible sequel. Sometimes reality is amazing. (Gotta rewatch both movies soon now!)
Don't forget to watch Starship Troopers, it's a great slice of the Verhoeven satirical pie. "I'm doing my part!" TBH, Verhoeven should have been given the franchise to kill (I.E. He could license deputies) and have just been turned loose on the entertainment industry during the early 2000's. He would have come up with brilliantly satirical ways to execute the cast and crew of each show during that excreable period in television history where everyone competed to see who could produce the most Verhoeven-like television IRL.
Karl looks so much happier in these wiki weekends
I mean he's free from fact fiend now so that's a huge weight off his shoulders
@@roddan0038 yeah, and I'm happy for the whole team
There's an incredible book series that deals with this kind of thing called the Bobiverse. A guy dies and gets put into a computer hundreds of years later, and is put in a space probe with the mission to replicate and colonize. Once he starts replicating himself, the new versions of him give themselves new names and completely become different people. Similar to start with, but changes pile up over time. Eventually they end up with dozens of generations of clones and many of them are very different people than the original.
+1 for the Bobiverse! Very minor spoiler below (no detail, it's probably safe)
The madness and inhumanity of being disembodied is explored in a couple of ways throughout the series, with probably most poignant for me being the Sentient that finds itself alone in its own head for hundreds of years. Gives me the chills.
@@KristovMarsthe biggest problem for me is that 1) Bob is kind of omnipotent basically and 2) the Portuguese Medeiros speaks is horribly broken and took me out of the story every time.
My favourite example of the consciousness debacle was in Cyberpunk 2077. You play through that game as V, with Johnny Silverhand in their head, gradually killing them (not intentionally). Your mind is gradually being morphed into Johnny, essentially giving him a new body and killing you in the process. What's really fascinating to me about it is that you frequently get dialogue options that don't end up sounding like V at all, moreso like Johnny, and as you progress through the story more and more of these options crop up.
I ask everyone who plays Cyberpunk 2077 whether they side with Johnny or not, and whether they think V does it of their own volition or because V is no longer V, and so much more because in the end how do you know that your thoughts are your own in that situation?
The thing is, Johnny isn’t even the real Johnny Silverhand. His memories are all wrong. He’s a product of Arasaka created for the purposes of propaganda.
@@VidelxSpopovich And that's what makes the conversation even more fascinating, right? Is the Johnny that takes over your brain the same Johnny, copy-pasted into you? Or has parts of you irrevocably changed him as well?
@@lockemyastan6276 I think it’s spelled out fairly clearly in the ending where you give Johnny the body, at least from the game’s perspective, he’s completely different and irreparably changed by having been a part of V. I believe, though I may be mistaken, that he says as much.
Though again, that’s the narrative the game is intentionally trying to push on the players.
This was an old fear I had of the idea of closing my eyes one time only to open them to realize that I was an AI program that thought it was alive. The idea of not being human anymore without consent is scary
Ghost in the shell is another great cyborg media. The anime was one of my favorite growing up.
The Clovis Bray Exo project in Destiny 2 goes into a lot of those discussions
Everything to do with the Exo are such good stories. One example I think about is how Clovis Bray put on extra arms on a Exo, and when they realized that they had extra arms they literally ripped themself apart.
So glad Wiki Weekends is continuing, I can definitely live without Fact Fiend if we're getting this long form content
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I didn't really click with the idea of not recognizing the person in the mirror as a horrific thing for a while. Then I told a friend about gender dysphoria in relation to my lack of mirror recognition, horrified THEM, and then I realized "Ah. People are supposed to have that."
This is such a Ship of Theseus conversation
I want Doctor Who to explore this more with the Cybermen, it does a bit more in expanded media, but its such an inherently horrifying concept that it’s a waste not to put it on screen
Didn't they do that in one of Ten's episodes? They disconnected a cyberman from the network, only to find that it was a woman who was supposed to be getting ready for her wedding.
@@eldorados_lost_searcher they’ve touched on it before, but it would be cool if they went all in on the psychological horror for one episode
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Agreed.
In the Marvel comics, the question of do clones have a soul have been answered. IIRC, some years ago Ben Reilly, Spider-man's clone, catches Mistress Death's interest. During the conversation of their first meeting she tells him that clones don't start out with souls but develop one given enough time. Now if this applies to all clones, then that means there should be multiple Wolverines in the after life
A great point to add on the the Horizon conversation is that, Aloy the clone was part of a scrapped project to help save the world. It was discontinued by sobek because she believed that raising a clone only to train them to replace you was not right. When Aloy learns this she starts to see herself as just a tool that was made only because the system that is repairing the world is failing and that her only worth is to fix the world regardless of her own wants for her life.
Oh dude, I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream is such a good novel, and a really good game too.
Battle Angel and Ghost in the Shell also address these concepts.. I also enjoy the question of personal versus actual existence.
Especially the Battle Angel manga with the reveal of the secret of the scientists from Salem
I love the joy in this man's voice when talking about his favorate things
The scene of the circular saw cutting the skull open, and the brain, spine and eyeballs in a jar HAUNTED me as a kid.
DER from destiny is a really good example of this. The lack of the organic "background noise" made the exo prototypes go insane. The solution was to infuse them with a primordial dark power dubbed "clarity".
I watched the first Robocop. But never the 2nd. Haven't finished this video, but im gonna stop and watch robocop 2. Since Karl basically talked me into it
Have you watched it yet? :)
@styrixstyrix3915 just finished it. Wasn't the best in some aspects. But it was still enjoyable especially looking at it thanks to the lens given by Karl. I'm gonna watch the 3rd next just to finish it.
The third movie is ... Well, it certainly exists.
I made it through some of the third. I think I fell asleep. Never cared to pick it up again.
How'd you care for it?
@eldorados_lost_searcher stopped rather quickly because it wasn't a direct continuation of 2
I appreciate Robocop 1 and 2 for spending time on who Murphy is as a person underneath all of the metal and the programming by OCP. And how his personality pushes back against the mind wipes and directives to take back control. Which leads to the question of whether that's because their system for creating cyborgs is flawed and can't overwrite the person inside, or if there is an intangible part of Murpy's soul that lives on after his body's first death. Or is he just that strong willed with big brass balls? Themes of memory and identity and what counts as a person show up a lot in the writing of Philip K Dick. So much so that I jokingly refer to The 6th Day as the best PKD movie not actually based on a story by PKD.
I found the ending of Being John Malkovich chilling, when all John Cusack's character can do is watch behind the eyes of someone else and never exert any control again.
Robocop 2 is the only numbered sequel whose name is directly referenced in the movie
I adore the near constant existential wonder/dread from the original ghost in the shell
Im so happy this is still continuing and i can keep up with everyone through their streams and twitter. Suport you guys so much. I love your content
Regarding the brain and Robocop's continuing humanity - the one really good part of Neocop was how insidious the input side of his cybernetic brain enhancements could be. They had a system that was adding things to his visual field and controlling his almost-entirely robotic shell - of course it could change how his mind reacted. The original Robocop had Murphy taking a shot from, I think, some kind of long gun to the skull before he died. It's assumed that even though Murphy was declared dead, his brain was kept oxygenated and clear of toxins. He was still in a coma for an extended period. When Robocop was activated, the "Murphy" parts of his brain were more or less just another component in the gestalt that was Robocop. He might be human, even with all the brain prosthetics, but there was a chunk of the first movie where he wasn't Murphy. Really, for that part of the story, Murphy _was_ dead, or at least comatose.
Transhumanism is interesting in how it invests the central nervous system with the status of humanity. A brain or CNS wearing an engineered shell is still fully human. This view leads to some interesting places. For one, are people whose mental functioning is strongly or overwhelmingly influenced by aspects of their body that aren't the nervous system fully human? We do tend to recognize these states as being diseased or pathological, but a more coherent answer is needed. If, for example, some ideal full humanity is required for certain rights and privileges, will we be restricting people with serious thyroid issues or late-term pregnancy from certain kinds of decision-making? You can be impaired without anything physically impacting your nervous system, just off the balance of hormones and other bloodborne chemicals produced and used by your body. Those effects can have a severe and long-lasting effect on who you are. Simple transhumanism hasn't had much chance to look at these questions yet. I would love to see discussion on it if effort was made to not overly weigh the current status quo in determining ways to treat people.
The "Hello there" in the intro sent me 😂
Teleportation via matter transporters like star trek is my fav one. Because you're dead when it strips down your atoms and alive when you arrive on is that a new replica of you made of you or is it you?
The subjects spoken about in this video are a big reason why I enjoy the cyberpunk genre quite a lot, because it is a perfect setting to have stories about identity and humanity in the framework of a modern world, which are topics I find interesting. A good example of this as a whole the movie ghost in the shell.
Congrats on taking a huge step. I loved fact fiend and can’t wait to see where this and all of your other projects go! Cheers, from across the pond.
Moon. Finding out you are cloned over and over by a company.
Cyberpunk animated show. Getting cyber psychosis if you replace to much of your body with mods, and lose your humanity.
Bob, from the Bobiverse books, We are Legion we are Bob. Struggling with everything you mentioned here, and above.
Metallica's One. Quadriplegic soldier stuck in a hospital bed, blind and mute, screaming to the nurses to kill him in his head.
Altered Carbon. S1E1 having to jump between bodies, too many times and cause you to go insane.
The RoboCop 2 meta reminds me of the Matrix Resurrections as well.
Never realized until now that the first robo cop 2 is literally just Warhammer 40K dreadnought not a particular good one but that is what it is and I'm not entirely sure on the timeline of things so I'm not sure if one inspired the other or not it would not shock me if that was the case or if they have a common inspiration
Cyberpunk 2077 also touches on similar themes with the digitized consciousness of Johnny Silverhand talking about the torture of being in a digital prison especially when you don't even know when you're personality is being tampered with.
Johnny’s memories were definitely tampered with. His version of events that brought down Arasaka Tower are completely at odds with what we know actually happened.
Hell yes. Robocop videos are the best!
4:40 The same thing happened with The Last Action Hero even though it was even more obviously parodic in nature. People actually used the ridiculous premise as a means of dismissing it rather than realizing that it was a send-up of the more ridiculous action fare which was played absolutely straight.
Even more fun point, on the meta level: Robocop 2 was based on a screen treatment made originally by Frank Miller (which was remade into a comic by Dynamite Comics in the 2000's or 2010's) with the stipulation that, since it wasn't used, Frank Miller got a paid voiced role in Robocop 2. Ironic...since at the time, Frank Miller was DEEP in his cocaine addiction to keep up with his deadlines, and its a major theme of Robocop 2 as a film.
This reminds me of an event in my d&d campaign. The heroes get a letter from a very powerful mage. The letter itself was folded into an origami bird and then animated to deliver itself to the heroes. The mage was too powerful, and the letter-bird felt the pain of being unfolded and screamed at every attempt to turn it back into the letter so it could be read. It was hilarious at the time, but now that I look back on it, I start to think of what it would be like to be that letter-bird. Their only known purpose was to find the heroes. It did that an immediately was bent and broken out of shape so its insides could be read. Would the paper still be alive? If you could fold the letter back into the bird, would it fly away? Magic it terrifying.
Me as a teen trying to read all the new directives on a VCR without a clear pause feature.
The ones I remember are "Don't drive through puddles that will splash other cars," and, "If you haven't anything nice to say, don't talk."😂
The nature of how the human brain reacts to having parts replaced is one of my favorite aspects of playing the cyberpunk, tabletop how far can you go before you're not you. Then you have bioware and mutations as another way of looking at what makes someone human
How could you not bring up the masterpiece that is Tammy and the T-Rex?
Just to add to what was said about Aloy., In the sequel its revealed that some of the most wealthy people on earth escaped the original apocalypse and as a part of their return, they make another clone of Elizabet because her genetic sequence is needed to unlock a lot of things. But this clone is raised without a parent, and with only 2 ai programs to teach her. So when they first meet Aloy is initially annoyed at how different this clone of her is, despite them both sharing the same Dna. So it discuss the themes of nature and nurture, and overall while not as good as the first Horizon: forbidden west is pretty good.
On the idea of being in a robotic body, I like how it was handled in the first episode of Doom Patrol.
Robotman has to go through physical therapy to learn how to move in his new body and get used to not having senses anymore other than sight and hearing.
Additionally, he is still able to blink/close his eyes which may help with the natural urge to blink.
The Thing on the Doorstep for the horror of body switching consequences on the psyche...
I hope wikiweekends keeps going.
He never said that he will quit wiki weekends, only fact fiend
Metal Gear does something similar in several ways in relation to the personhood of the different Snakes and obviously spoilers but:
Like Big Boss's clones move on and become their own people whereas Venom Snake upon realising accepts it as he views being Snake the greatest soldier as a figure beyond being a person and they are one in the same.
The Axiom Verge games both deal with that sort of identity thing as well in some very interesting ways. Explaining how exactly would be major story spoilers for those games, but I think they're very interesting. (Axiom Verge is a series of Metroidvania games with a very retro style. There are two published so far and the creator has plans up through an Axiom Verge 7, but he's taking a break to work on other projects right now. They're both definitely in my top 20 games ever made, so I highly recommend people play them for themselves, which is why I'm currently resisting the urge to provide details as to the existential situations presented in those games directly, though I will say that they both do it very differently from one another.)
You can get real-world examples of these sorts of questions too, just on a smaller scale. I'm so much more capable today than I was a year ago, and was more capable a year ago than I was five years before that. Some of that's from the help of therapy techniques (such as mindfulness) and some of it is from prescription medication. Am I the same person after altering my body's biochemistry to improve my life? How much influence does learning, growing as a person, and changing opinions over time effect whether or not somebody is still the same person? Is a 40 year old still the same person they were at 20, or have they slowly become a new person? You can even bring the Ship of Theseus into this because most of the body's cells are replaced every once in a while, such that it's unlikely for many cells in anyone's body to be the same cells as they were a decade prior.
Even if you treat the body as just a vehicle and say that the person is either the moving signals around their brain or their "soul" (depending on belief in a soul or not), a person's knowledge and personality change over time anyway, so they're still not likely to match each other a decade later, so there's still the question as to whether or not the changes to those over time make them a different person.
We have the option to "Move File".
It's not always copy paste.
And a Clone can be you if you copy your consciousness onto it.
If you want an extra bit of horror, there is a theory that the second, skeletal prototype is the female tech who was shot by the first prototype. She wasn't killed but they needed a 'volunteer' in a hurry. It's why the design is different, it's supposed to faintly resemble a woman.
It should be noted that his personality is only partially intact.
When you factor in massive brain damage, trauma, plus circuitry and programming effecting some pretty vital processes...
It's a miracle there's as much left of him as there is.
I’d like some clarification: Karl is retiring from Fact Fiend and ending that channel, but is he goin to continue participating in other channels such as WikiWeekends?
This is addressed in the Fact Friend video. Yes.
Yeah, he is. He's just retiring Fact Fiend to move on to his other projects.
Farscape, did this with the episode My Three Crichtons, and once again after the Infinite Possibilities episodes. the first time Crichton is cloned one is a neanderthal and the other is a possible advanced/evolved human. Without getting into to many spoilers, My Three Crichtons focuses on the perception of self and what makes someone "human". All three Crichton are Crichton (all having the same memories) just two of them are less or more "evolved". The episode ends with the neanderthal sacrificing himself (proving he was the most human of the two clones) after the evolved one tries to kill everyone. Infinite Possibilities is a proper clone genetically and visually identical in every way. This time the clones stick around for the remainder of the season, sadly they don't explore the themes very well as the two of them split up an episode or two later, but they still do talk about it a bit. Heavy SPOILERS for the show: at the end of the season, one of the Crichtons dies and we find out that the one that dies was most likely the original and this does have consequences for the characters like the main will they wont they relationship between Crichton and Aeryn actually happening with the Crichton that dies, or the idea that the Crichton we've been following this entire time will never make it home to Earth. The show may not do a great job with the themes but it still worth the watch.
Loved Farscape. All hail Riegel. I also love the later seasons of Stargate, especially the episode where Claudia Black and Ben Browder go to his high-school reunion.
i honestly dont think its something similiar but i want to point "borderlands" franchise in universe respawn mechanic and the way that our characters seams almost like "its nothing unusual" while "respawning machine" seys lines like: "we are not responsible for any kind of existentionakl crisis".
Jesus. I didn't expect an episode of existentialism lol
Another thing about the "uploading your mind to the internet" bit: How would you know the uploaded consciousness is actually THE consciousness, and not just a perfect copy of someone who just unwittingly killed themselves? Same deal with the star trek teleportation technology, every time they get beamed anywhere, they're straight up just getting murdered and a perfect copy's being reconstructed at the other end.
The Robocop 2 Program is probably the single most memorable and profound part of the film.
The body horror it shows was about the only thing the remake got 100% right (where Kinneman sees what's left of his meat and flips his shit).
P.S. watch the video Amazing Robocop Rap - the best, and only way to watch Robocop in ten minutes.
I'm pretty sure you already said it in the video but The 6th day is the one that gets me
Clones are far simpler than people think. They're quite literally a twin. Even if we try to complicate this with time or duplicated memories rather than just genes, it doesn't change anything. It's still only superficially different than regular twins that grew up together. We can even look at it in terms of parasitic twins, only the twin is whole and perfectly synced with the other until the moment of separation or "cloning." It's still interesting though.
The only thing I can think of (which is actually, probably the opposite) is in Doctor Who series 6 episode 4 'The Doctors Wife' where the TARDIS matrix (because they're actually living machines that were grown, not built) is put into a woman's body and while they and The Doctor are arguing for a bit, you get one of the best lines:
The Doctor: "You know, you didn't always take me where I wanted to go!"
TARDIS Matrix: "No, but I always took you where you *needed* to go!"
And then at the very end of the episode, once "She's back in the box again and she's free" The Doctor askes "Are you there? Can you hear me? No, no, silly old. O.K. The eye of Orion, or wherever we need to go." And before he even looks at the lever to de-materialize, it slowly cranks up by itself.
And if you think about it, after hundreds of years, with all the companions coming and going, it's always The Doctor and the TARDIS.
Episode of Black Mirror called San Junipero is another way to look at the "stuck in a machine" life.
Cyber psychosis from cyberpunk, the Mauler twins from invincible also somewhat deal with this. I also like the inverse of it from Neuromancer, where Case has essentially become a walking husk of a man because he can no longer jack into the matrix.
12:44 that disconnect sounds a whole lot like gender disphoria, amplified to a tragic degree because it's not just about your gender, it's about your humanity 😢
That's part of the subtext of the movie an its plot/script since its inception, as Karl mentions, the series has tried to tend to deeper themes, it's an exploration of transhumanism, the reality of living in a body which doesn't belong to your identity and coming to terms by accepting your true self within.
It's pretty progressive for its time.
In the Warhammer lore the Dreadnaughts are basically robocops...Space marines close to dead are put into giant mechas that bring them form dead to keep fighting for the empire. The cockpit is designed bascailly as coffin.
Spoiler for Portal 2, but GLaDOS was the digital consciousness of Caroline after Cave Johnson uploaded her into a machine. GLaDOS herself had no idea about this for the longest time until hearing Cave and Caroline recordings and then she found out who she was and where Caroline lived inside her. Then proceeded to delete Caroline.
But that begs the question: was she always Caroline? Is she still Caroline? Was she never Caroline? Or was she somewhere in between?
I think there should be more discussion about how ableist it is to presume that most people would instantly off themselves upon being disabled, even if severely. And the presumption that loss of body parts and/or gaining prostheses implies a loss of humanity and identity.
A interesting detail from from the robocop 2 and 3 scene is that:
Robocop 2 shoots two people, a man and a woman.
In the next scene when robocop 3 is unveiled the man is in a sling while the woman is nowhere to be seen, dead but...
Robocop 3 has a vaguely female design.
They likely just scooped up her body and used it for the next machine resulting in her ripping off her face to scream.
The idea of copy/pasting human memories and skills is also a big part of the sci-fi/action Steele book series by Simon Hawke aka J.D. Masters.
I always liked the replica's in worlds end, interesting spin on the idea of being replaced by yourself
When Robocop 2 came out, I was on the hype train. I loved, and still love the original. A lot of what made the first just couldn't work for a sequel. A good chunk of the movie is Murphys origin story to being Robocop. In the sequel it's suppose to mirror that with the criminal Kane being forced into being the "better" version. It doesn't help that he gets very little screen time as a human, and he's of course a bad guy. You can do a bad guy Origin, but it has to show specific beats to get you riding along.
Kane's a guy with a messiah complex, then he's turned into a near mindless killing machine. Neat? It's just a story that doesn't have the feel or level of humor the original does. I actually like the screaming prototype scene. Dude was like "I'm just a skull faced abomination KILL ME".
For the clone dilemma at 20:00 the way I see it is both the original body and clone ARE me, but not the same me.
Like an alternate universe counterpart almost.
Thinking about the 03 TMNT where Baxter Stockman's character arc is having his body gradually stripped down to just a brain in a robot body and he concludes that ending his own life is the best option (this is still a kids show)
It's something that Destiny 2 brings up as well with the existence of the Exos (human minds uploaded into robotic bodies). Basically, the Exo bodies had to be made as close to human as possible, including the drives to eat and reproduce. They can even feel pain or get tired from physical exertion despite being machines because, if they did not, the human minds would reject the mechanical body due to it not behaving the way the mind expected it to.
In the later seasons of the Farscape series the main character John Crichton gets "cloned" causing similar questions to be explored
If I was cloned I would not care who was the original, I would start trolling people constantly. It would be a daily prank show and I would revel in the chaos that I caused.
This video got me to thinking about Professor Sada/Turo in Pokémon Scarlet/Violet. In it, the professor becomes obsessed with exploring the past/future via time travel, and sets up a lab in the depths of a crater in the center of Paldea (Area Zero). At some point, the professor is abandoned by their partner, so they go about making an identical android of themselves, run by an AI that's all of their thoughts and memories up to the point the android was made. Sometime after, the human professor is killed by one of the Paradox Pokémon let loose by their machine, leaving the android to run things.
The fascinating part of this is that in stories like these, we usually see the AI take the original's wish to the extreme. BUUUT... In this game, the android is completely baffled and even seems _upset_ when the Paradise Protection Protocol boots up in order to deal with the protagonist and their friends trying to shut down the time travel machine. The android even says "Is that really all (Sada/Turo) cared about?" After being beaten, the android says that the machine will continue to run so long as they exist, so they choose to go to the past/future "that (they) always dreamed of."
I think it's one of the best bits of writing Pokémon has brought out in a long time, and it's all because they decided to make the AI the more caring human. The fact that it's SURPRISED despite having Sada/Turo's thoughts and memories is honestly amazing and wicked sick.
As soon as Lucas catches up to one piece and tells karl about kuma, karl will have to watch one piece if he loves this kind of stuff
How about Doom Patrol? Brendan Fraser’s character faces some of the same.
Considering the discusion I think that, unless you already have seen it, the Joss Whedon tv-series, Dollhouse, would be right up your alley!
I think Murphy is a part of Robocop, but not the whole of Robocop. After all, without the "robo," he'd just be Murphy.
Gotta admit, this take on RoboCop 2 is pretty fucking clever.
I think of my clone as a brother, identical twin
The "Screaming Skull" version gets kinda mass produced......
as the Urban Enforcment Droid's in Rouge City, but mindless drones both can't compete with Robocop and can be hijacked/hacked.
To be fair, in robocop 1 murphy was also shot in the head. And the robo 2 prototypes most likely did not.
About the horizon, aloy wasn’t a clone in the way discribed by faceless guy. She was born because gaia needed someone with the genetic makeup of sobek to be able to interact and fix the issue with the virus.
You should read "We are Legion We are Bob". it deals a lot on the question of consciousness being cloned and what drift from the original occurs. Quick sum up without any major spoilers; modern day software engineer has his consciousness copied into a Von Neumann probe, sent into the cosmos, and has to make clones.
I think, at this point, I would just love to sit down and discuss Robocop with you sometime :)
I find the Star Trek transporters creepy in that they take an individual, disassemble it and convert it to code, then 'unzip' the data file after transfer. It has been shown that people are aware and conscious during the process. I even get uncomfortable at the idea of the transporter buffer, which can theoretically hold someone in storage indefinitely in case of emergency or untreatable illness; my big fear with this is complete power loss just deleting someone from existence. This will now keep me awake for the next few nights!
I always live this discussion, i enjoyed the events in Gen-Locked. I thought it was dumb by not letting them know that a backup was possible.
The bobiverse deals with this each time bob copys his consciousness the are small changes
Red Dwarf novel 'Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers' has scenes of the hologram George Saunders in the counsellors office having to come to terms with his death.
it's the ship of Theseus isn't it, or a bootstrap paradox
Hearing Karl talking about clones makes me wish he'd give Star Wars: The Clone Wars a shot, if only for the clone troopers.
Another modern day meta layer: the drug addict robocop sounds a lot like how programmers make deep reinforcement learning ai to evolve. They program it in a way that if it does things programmer wants it gets rewards (ofc it is just meaningless code). Programmer also can punish the ai for doing unwanted things (such as if you want to make ai that is learning to walk a platforming level then punish it if it falls to a pit and give it rewards any time it gets closer to goal). Love these 2 movies.
love this guy, should have more channels
Knows a lot of good facts. Bet theres a way he could monitise it
Great video guys 😀
I would totally buy you a beer and chat about this all night!
Another fun when you aren't paying attention movie is Upgrade (2018) tons of over the top violence that hides some interesting points.
Destiny discusses this as well with the Exos. In order for a consciousness to be transferred into an Exo body, the person's memories need to be erased so the mind can start fresh in the new body. They also have to imitate human behavior like blinking, eating, or sleeping, in order to prevent a condition called D.E.R., or Dissociative Exomind Rejection.
What makes Cyberpunk 77 so good is that they have Cyberpsychosis, a condition where as your chrome increases and your humanity stat decreases your mind breaks.
These topics are so fascinating.
I think that clones and such are simply echoes of the me. They do become new personas new people but still echoes. Not me as I'm dead.
It’s sad that in the game Cyberpsychosis isn’t really explored that much and just kind of ends up being discount PTSD.