Who would want Rishi Sunak's job now? | The New Statesman podcast
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- Why would any future Tory leader want to take over the Conservative party, only to lead the party to the biggest defeats in history in the general election?
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For the chance of being PM, no matter how short a time, they'd all be like a rat up a drainpipe - a knighthood and £190,000 a year tax free for life is not a bad lurk, especially when piled on top of an MP's pension.
It's a cruel world.
Fail upwards
You know the Hunger Games.
That's how I would sort Tory leadership.
I'd pay to view that.
Far too many of them care about one person themselves, they seem to think it’s a way of lining their own pockets. The current PM is the blame for this. They need a leader who will put them back in touch with their constituents and perspective, that has worked to achieve what they have,not someone who brown noises their way to the top. Unfortunately at the moment there isn’t anyone in the tory party except a very small number that has integrity and worst of all due to the appalling state of leadership those with integrity that have been doing a good job. I’ve just lost their seats. The chances of them winning again are very slim.
Kemi and Suella will not be MPs after the next general election so that’s 2 out of the race 😂
I think you're wrong there, very safe seats.
does not matter, the Tories are finished, killed off by corruption. incompetence and right wing obscenity. Perhaps it will also lead to the demise of the NS, we can but hope
Why are the 'brown' members of the senior Tory MPs so awful? Discuss. Braverman, Badenoch, Kwateng, Nahawi, Cleverley, Patel.
Horrible, horrible. bad faith actors.
And yet look at the shite Dianne Abbott has faced over the years. And Bernie Sanders.
This needs a proper discussion.
They have correctly acknowledged that 1. their base cares about immigration and 2. white figures cannot be hawkish on immigration in our current social climate.
Not a single Tory MP is capable of running the party let alone the government.
30 points behind ... 13 seats left for the tories ... and it's only getting worse ... I don't think they come back from the imminent defeat
I was surprised this wasn't an analysis of the runners and riders
It won’t make any difference we don’t want you in government end of goodbye see you later, An election is what we want please
"Which Tory MPs would want to replace Rishi Sunak, and why?"
All of them. To stay on the Westminster gravy train.
I know lazy cynicism is endearing and all but the gravy train thing is a myth. Most tories could earn many times more in the private sector or they're stinking rich to begin with. MP pay is absurdly low for the importance of the job and how hard it is to get. Your GP earns several times more. As for job security... It's a 24/7 stress filled nightmare of a job where you take more abuse than your average A&E nurse on a Saturday night. Sure, many of them crave power but most backbenchers have very little of that and they're whipped into pushing policies they likely think are great. Because voters hate "splits".
Originally MPs weren't paid at all. The idea was to prevent riff-raff from getting elected because they couldn't afford it. Hence the role of unions.
Maybe you think democracy isn't worth the rounding error in the national budget that it would take to pay these people properly.
@@davidmurphy563 Uhm, the chance to rack in big bucks in the private sector doesn’t exactly decrease if you have “former PM” on your CV, now does it?
In addition, a lot of, say, speaking fees and other “perks” (or should it be “side hustles”?) is based on being an MP in the first place, which needs to be taken into account when considering MP income; even before adding issues of potential deductions, special rates, discounts, prestige etc.
Not to mention that one of the reason these MPs might make big money in the private sector is due to the, having been MPs and the contacts this entails, rather than because of any other considerations of individual talents or merits.
And speaking of the backbenchers, it’s worth considering whether it’s simply not having the opportunity, rather than not having the ambition.
As for job security, that also varies. Sure, you might not be re-elected (though safe seats make this a very variable threat), but depending on your status and connections, you might have a lucrative subsequent career as a lobbyist etc., once you lose your seat (again, availing yourself of the fact that you were an MP). I realise that this doesn’t apply to everyone, but you might just as well worry about what a GP might do, if (s)he had to change jobs and how difficult it would be for a GP to find a new career.
These prospects after having been an MP don’t even factor in that having a well-paying job for the duration of an election cycle doesn’t exactly compare unfavourably with a lot of other precarious and/or contract work.
That said, I do agree that the cynicism and gravy train approach can be taken too far and needs to consider the different status and prospects of individual MPs. I just get a bit irked, when I hear the defence being something along the line of how hard MPs have it and how being an MP (in and of itself) is really a sign of someone being altruistic.
@@davidmurphy563 Sorry David, but I think you're well off the mark here. Take, for example, the recently appointed Minister for Common Sense. Before accepting this Mickey Mouse cabinet position she basically worked full time as a punter on GB News. Of course, we all realize she could have earned at least ten times more money working as a brain surgeon... 😅
@@ipohtennischannel5482 The whole MCS thing is just a bit of spin and a reference to the expectation that she'll be outputting a lot of the culture war noise. The polls will give you an idea of how successful that's been.
McVey is really just a Minister without Portfolio. They've been a thing for over a hundred years. Cavendish was famously one, don't know if he was the first. Eden was one as was Mandelson famously. Just means the PM wants someone in the cabinet but doesn't want to give them a department to run. Usually it's about strengthening the PM in cabinet or it's someone with ownership of the electoral strategy so they're in at the top level. The former in McVey's case as, yeah, not one of life's brain surgeons I'll grant. Obviously the PM sees value in her culture warring abilities and the GB News stuff is likely the reason behind that; wants to claw back UKIP votes or whatever they're calling themselves these days.
There are 600+ MPs, of course there are going to be grifters and slackers and hard workers and charmers and everything in between. Picking out one MP you take a dislike to hardly proves anything. Point is that plumbers earn more than people with the fate of the nation in their hands; the lobbyist's dream scenario.
@@davidmurphy563 Enjoy life in your parallel universe. 👍
Take a lesson from William Hague who was a potentially good one-nation Tory leader who got the job too soon and was followed by two far worse candidates - IDS and the Count.
Ehh Hague was more of a Thatcherite than One Nation. Agreed w/ IDS and the Vampire
@@ken-ip4ih Why did Thatcher hate Hague then? Blair was her boy in the late '90s/early millennium.
Would the Conservative Party be better off if they elected a small Chihuahua and a bowl of Petunias as leader?
Yes they would.
Kemi Priti Suella not forgetting Bozo for purely selfish reasons. An easy route to No10 and a pension for life like that woman Truss got.
The Forty Nine Day Truss. Followed by a lifetime of support.
Who wants to be the Neil Kinnock?
My choice would be without the shadow of doubt, "Larry the Cat"! Probably the most honest creature ever to live behind the door of N° 10 ! There is the added bonus of cats being solitary, so we would not be saddled with the other "riff raff" ! Seriously though. One arsehole is much the same as any arsehole. So what's the point ?
Anyone who can repeat "working hard for the people , our plan is working but need more time, we reduced inflation and taxes" can become Leader of the CONservatives.
About 1/2 of them, and to get an index linked pension for life 🤷♂️
The greater the British Labour party's majority following the next election, the more likely the party is to split in government. There will be tough times ahead, regardless of which party is in power, and given the apparent breadth of Labour's current support, it's already clear that its likely voters include a large number of disaffected and hard-working centrists, who will once again feel cheated and become disillusioned when the Labour left seizes power within the party. First they were intentionally and cynically duped by Boris, and a few years later, will be again by Starmer, albeit with good and well-meaning intentions. 'Tax and spend' just doesn't work for the majority of workers who have been doing it tough for some time.
Sounds like you're suggesting they are looking for a Jim Hacker 🙄
What would the outlook be for devolution in Scotland and Wales under a Labour Government?
That’s a tough one 🙃
Did anyone see the northern lights?
What there's actually some left.
When I hear Kemi she her accent makes me believe she went to school in Winsor 😊
Firstly it would depend on who would still be there after the election. Penny Mordaunt is one of those on the most vulnerable list. So her time as the PM could be the second shortest after Liz Truss.
650 MPs who all want to be Prime Minister... really Freddie? The Speaker? Theresa May? Sinn Fein's MPs?
Brady is standing down I think.
After the GE there will be much gnashing of teeth amongst the much smaller group of MPs as they try to tear the party into little factions though the paymasters for their campsigning will want to exact a price for continuing their support. When it all shakes out Mordaunt might be the last one standing or an outdide bet on McVie depends on how badly voters punish them for the years at the trough after all nothing corrupts like power.
Bring back T May. Is not a bad idea. I understand you lot think it's funny. But nothing is as big a joke as Brexit. Haha.
What is it with some Brits getting themselves tangled up in a awkward friendship with some other country, we should have just continued normally like the rest of the world.
If that happened,next p.m he/her faith likely to be the same ,and then we have another one and anothrr one and then General Election
Will andy street be the next leader after the next election to reform the party after the fall of the party
Would Andy Street want to? He has spoken ill of Westminster quite a lot
Under the current Conservative Party rules the leader must be a sitting MP. As far as I know, Street is not standing for a Westminster seat.
Yeah I know I work with him fork 15 years at John Lewis Ive never work for such a hard working caring kind person, he had such a incredible eye detail he remember each and every individual in the business. This will be the reason Birmingham was so close, they need a leader that is a people person that is also a leader.
They’d have to front a dismal record and a lot of public hate towards them nationally atm. Then local jeopardy, most would have to work hard to retain their seat & could face Portillo moment. A caretaker PM can’t promise on manifesto & what’s ahead either, say DD interim & then Suella / Jenrick or Badenoch become leader!
They’d go down in history as a PM & pay for life but would have to be incredibly thick-skinned & a bit daft to take it on!
160k a year for life for working a few months
Marry me, Freddie.
They're not getting my vote.
Keir Starmer
Bring back May for the weak and shakey tour.
Wow these three sound like they really could get a party started... 😴😴😴😴 😂
Is a 5 minute video a podcast?
its a clip from the rest of the podcast i think
Starmer!
So I've been listening to this podcast for a while, but only now I realise it's just a bunch of posh kids that have absolutely no clue what they're on about. It's astounding.
Graham Brady should not (and I repeat should not) be prime minister
George Eton is an unfortunate name.
Starmer😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yawn!
Can the Tories and the Labour party stop being complicit in genocide?
It's ONLY Labour that bankrupt the nation every time they govern ( it's only Tories that follow and make cuts to clear up all the s--t they create
Which particular genocide would you like to refer to there's more than one out there depending on your point of view.
Competing to take over leadership of the Conservative Party is like mutineers conspiring to take over the ‘Titanic’ AFTER it hit the iceberg.
😂😂😂😂 Who cares, the Tories are toast!!!
Who cares...
Anyone but a forighner
😂
I thought that New Stateman was a progressive journal but the senior editor sounds like he was educated at Eton. No contradiction there?
Rishi Sunak is not a charismatic leader, but he is very intelligent and a natural problem solver. My impression is that he is doing a pretty good job of fixing some short term problems - e.g. the economy and the Northern Ireland arrangements with the EU. In 6 months’ time, things will have improved to some extent and the Tories may do better than anticipated in the next election. The real problem that Rishi Sunak and the Tories have is lack of vision. They know what they are against - e.g. EU membership, illegal immigration…. However, they don’t have a clue about the issues that really matter - our ageing population which will reduce tax revenue and increase NHS and social services cost, the dire state of the NHS, the lack of business innovation, the environment…
I think you're broadly correct. And I don't think the problems he's trying to solve are those which most concern the British public. I think he's primarily focussed on solving problems for a global corporate elite who just see the UK as a convenient plot of land on which to do business.
@@andybrice2711 fixing the economy is very important to the British public. They care a lot about the cost of their mortgages and the general cost of living. However, otherwise I agree with you. Many of our politicians live in a bubble detached from the real world. They listen to other politicians too much and to the public too little.
@@grahamf695 Well, yes. But there's different ways of "fixing" the economy. Sunak's vision seems very much of the "trickle down" variety. Where you make the economy favourable for the largest players, and hope that rising tide lifts everyone. But small businesses seem to have been especially hard hit these past few years. Whilst a select few have cleaned up.
Dream on you're probably a rich Tory aren't you look around the country not many people feel like you doEven some Tories older people who supported the Tories all their life of fed up with them they're very angry about being taxed on their pensions and not having to sell their houses for care and everything it's not because they care about other people usually it's bet they care about themselves but the people who voted for you he kicked in the teeth
After ONLY two years as PM and a pandemic , we have the fastest growing economy in the world ( why would Tories replace a genius)
what are you smoking?
@@kanedNunable Labour always bankrupt the nation by bending over for the unions( what are YOU smoking) LOL
@kanedNunable to be that out of it, they are probably injecting.