Math Hoffa: Did Eminem Kill Jay-Z on His Own Song? (Part 2)
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In this clip, Math Hoffa and Vlad engage in a debate about Eminem's standing as one of the greats in the rap game. Both agree that Eminem's impact is undeniable - from his lyrical mastery and realism to record-breaking sales. They discuss how Eminem would likely only do stadium tours due to his massive popularity. Their conversation navigates to other hip-hop legends like Jay-Z and Nas and analyzes how these artists measure up to each other in terms of lyricism and connection with listeners. Vlad argues that Tupac's emotive songs carry more weight than Biggie's despite the latter’s stronger lyricism. In their fast-paced discussion, they ponder about a world where artists like Drake, J.Cole, Eminem, Jay-Z, Tupac, and Biggie co-exist, asking tough questions about how each one differs in style and fan engagement and the impact of their content on the world of hip-hop. 
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That's not Jay Z's song. It never was. It's Eminem's song. It was always Eminem's song.
Until it ended up on J's Album..
I’ll say this. They both went in on the song in their respective way. However, IMO the highlights of RENEGADE is it featured Eminem on a verse, Eminem on the production side and it’s the ONLY feature on a Jay-Z album. We have to admit…‘Em’s verse was probably one of his MOST profound and serious verse from Em off the hills of the D12 album. We also have to remember…it wasn’t until May ‘02 before we got another album from Em too. His last album dropped in ‘00.
@@okey7118 False. Jay Z had an Eminem song on his album that had the feel and sound of Eminem and led to the popular sentiment that Jay got murdered on his own song.
Eminem's verse isn't just spectacular, the beat sounds lie it was made for Eminem.
Because it was. It was was made by and for Eminem.
Renegade is the perfect example of the difference between the greatest rapper(Jay Z) and the greatest hip hop artist(Eminem).
The original is em and Royce
It's on Jay album moron
Jay held is own, but that last verse by Eminem is one of the best verses ever in hip hop.
Facts the go to war with the morons take bath with the Catholics no wonder they want to hold me under water longer
Got too much dip on your chip there, great verse not one of the best in rap history lol
These bammas love to do that though
That's an asinine statement
Ems verse was good but best verses in hiphop idk bout all that. Lol
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When listening to 'Renegade', you anticipate Em's verse way more than Hov's verse. And I love both
Funny you say that. I just listened to it and I in fact anticipated Em’s verse more than I did Jays.
Em verse sound corny to me now. O love it back then, but it's cringe to me now
@@sirQBem has always been cringe
i skip straight to Ems verse
The older I get the more I like Hov’s verses , but yeah Em did what Em does
agreed! if you listen real close Jay lays it down...do not step to me I'm awkward I box lefty an orphan my pops left me...could go on and on but def has some.dope verses
His lyrics were rather basic. Nowhere near as good as his normal standards.
Why do they call him HOVE?
@@russellshort810 The problem is that practically 99% of the other top rappers at the time could have come up with the kind of verses that Jay Z had on that song, but only Eminem's verses could only ever have one source. Em's vast lyrical landscape and no boundaries approach just made him scarily good on Renegade. He simply covered more ground with his guest feature than Jay did as the main artist..
Yup. Eminem killed jay on Eminem own song.
Hov’s verse is criminally underrated. It STR8 fire 🔥
Jay Murdered that joint, Eminem’s flow and delivery was better but jay’s words was crazy.
I wouldnt necessarily say Em had the better verses, i would say he had the better delivery. Jay held his own
Factssssss I had same comment on here.
2:44
Great point. Jay had a very awkward flow on that song, with great content. While both EM's content and flow were top caliber on the song.
@janepatton8100 I can agree with that but Vlad acting like Jay was chop liver
@@crackmanjones1710 💯 mf act like Jay chop liver or sum
Jay z even admitted Eminem got the better of him on renegade.
Jay verse is underrated on that track !!
Jay's verse was great, but Eminem's made Jay's look mediocre
Jay's was terrible. Like most of his shit.
Dude is like Ja Rule, except he became successful since eminem didn't go after him.
Hov’s verse on Renegade was one of the best he ever wrote sine the imagery was so vivid, he literally took us through the hood without riding around. You had prime Em on the other side with the smoothest flow with rhyme patterns that fit perfectly to the beat while telling this detailed story of his struggles with fame and the backlash he received. Bias and relatability aside technically Em’s verse was better, he was rhyming whole sentences, every syllable while telling an intricate story and made it sound so natural as if he’s just chopping it up with you in a regular conversation. That’s the highest level of emceeing imo. Em’s verses were so much more memorable, you literally learn them after 2 listens because of how musically appealing they are to the ear, it’s hard to explain. I may sound like a Stan but that’s really not the case, but prime Em was simply the complete package. His more recent stuff I rarely go back to, his delivery is corny, the voice is annoying, the super lyricism is forced, the humor is gone and the subject matter can be terrible at times. Most of Hov’s music aged like fine wine and his consistency is amazIng. I hold both in the highest regard and they’re definitely top 10 if not 5.
Dang, this is the best comment in the comment section. I can co-sign everything you wrote. Great way of breaking it down and articulating it.
Alot of hov singles aged like milk
Em voice is annoying asf. He has no soul in his music.
@@humblebragger500
Examples please.
jay got killed
No, a lot of niggas was saying Em had the better verse. Ironically in the barbershops. As I got older, Jay definitely didn't get bodied on that. It was Em flow that was captivating
Jay knew he had to come with his best word play with eminem on a song. They both killed it. Two different styles come together in one song. That was great.
Jay held his own with Biggie 3 times, Rapped with Beans, Jada & X, Face & Big L, Em was just another walk in the park. 🤷🏾♂️
@shawnwilliam1802 em bodied him.
Jay Z is probably the most overrated rapper of all time. So much that he retired.
Dude was like Ja Rule when he hit the scene, only difference is Jay Z wasn't someone Em came after. Thus he survived.
Im a jay stan and if anybody thinks em didnt murder hov on that track i just have one question. "do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?"
😂😂😂
Only bums and little kids have time to sit and listens to all the lyrics over and over again.
I wonder if those people who think that Jay-Z held his own have ever actually bothered to analyse the song. Jay-Z's lyrics were just basic "I had a tough childhood on the streets, but now I made it". On the other hand, Eminem's lyrics covered everything.
He attacks organized religion and religious hypocrisy:
_While I'm wavin' the pistol at sixty Christians against me_
_Go to war with the Mormons, take a bath with the Catholics_
_In holy water, no wonder they tried to hold me under longer_
He attacks politicians for trying to censor rap music:
_Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics_
_Usin' his music to steer it, sharin' his views and his_ _merits?_
_But there's a huge_ _interference, they're sayin'_ _you shouldn't hear it_
He attacks the media for labelling him (and rap music) as a bad influence on society:
_But that ain't the case, see,_ _it's a matter of taste_
_We as a people decide if_ _Shady's as bad as they say_ _he is_
_Or is he the latter, a gateway to escape?_
_Media scapegoat who they can be mad at today_
He attacks society for its failure and hypocrisy:
_And I got nothin' to do but_ _make you look stupid as_ _parents_
_You fuckin' do-gooders, too_ _bad you couldn't do good at marriage_
There's simply nothing in Jay-Z's lyrics that come even within touching distance of Eminem's lyrical mastery on this song. Nothing at all!
@@thebeatnumberthe bias in this comment is insane 😂😂
@@wayne2746how is it bias its true jay aint say nothing on renegade he hasn't said on This Can't Be Life or Where I'm From
Jay did his thing on"Renegade"but Em just did his thing better...period!
What's crazy is that Eminem didn't write a new verse for Renegade, they simply replaced Royce's verses with Jay-Z's verses, and Jay still couldn't outdo Em even after hearing Em's verse.
Jay z has the better verses. Strong message as always
Math killed that response which is so true...if Everyday Struggle had been pushed as a single both clean and dirty with a music video for Big it still would have been successful arguably as much as Juicy because it's a song with story telling and relatable subject matter. Real talk that was the main song that made me want to cop the album when I heard somebody bumping it as a kid. Hell honestly they should have pushed either Everyday Struggle or definitely Unbelievable over Big Poppa aka Warning which is a tight song but isn't as energetic as the other two. Imagine if Big would have had Unbelievable as a promo single with Primo and everything in the video on there he would have killed it.
I agree whole heartedly and might I add Jay song Never Change should be in that same conversation.
FACTS 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
What about Juicy? That was a very positive song and vibe
@@JoseMartinez-bh1ng Nah don't get me wrong I love Juicy and can recite almost every line from beginning to end. I was just agreeing with Math that under Puff he would never push the hood anthems and forced his artists to do poppy commercial songs all the time with the shiny suits which gave people a limited perception to that artists' overall versatility. I'm not even paying Vlad's ol dumb ass claim that Pac was more positive than Big no mind anyway. His argument is even more ignorant because Ten Crack Commandments wasn't even a single on Life After Death all trying to compare that to Dear Mama like Pac was some choir boy lol. 🤣
Vlad ended this with a thoughtful speech. The message is much important than the rhymes. We can all connect to Pac songs like Dear Mama, Brenda's got a baby, keep your head up etc. I'll also say we can connect to Nas, I can and Distant Relatives album. These are special artistes.
Eminem didn’t kill him. However, I do think he has the best verse on the song.
i don’t remember eminem killing jayz on “we are the world”
So.. He killed him! If it was jay-z with the best verse you'd argue jay-z killed him.
I agree well said
@@sbabymoney3204kill and beat are two different things
@@sbabymoney3204 but I wouldn’t
Em’s verses are nice but Hov’s verses were more relatable and resonated with me more.
So you're biased
@@lesegom7172 maybe. or maybe he/she's saying that the content of Jay's more closer relates to them and their lives than Em's.
Eminem killed it and Renegade was his track he made with Royce. If you wanna really hear Em spit hard like he did on Renegade definitely put on Till I Collapse
Lol so what did hov say lol
Yeah what resonated with you?
Jay said a verse that’s been spit for decades about being a rebel in the ghetto/society, and Eminem flipped the idea of being a renegade on a national stage. Em’s buildup, flow and subject matter took the song to another level, on top of producing the track.
Being a rebel as far as in the ghetto hadn’t been spit for decades! But Em rapping about being a rebel to society as a whole and mocking parents and the older generation in general for being hypocrites is in fact what’s been said for decades! Goes back to Elvis and rock and roll..to the criticism that artists like Em and Marlyn Manson were receiving in the late 90s/earky 2000s. This is why Em reached a wider audience! White kids connected with him more as opposed to realities of hustling in the streets!
But both were great verses as they were relative to who the artists were and their experiences! Although agree Em’s flow was slightly better, but not much in it!
@@Slim_45 ninjas been using the "eminem is white so he appeals to whites" argument for decades. I get it. Of course its true. but it doesnt take away from the fact that he murdered jay on that song. it wasnt even close. he got clobbered. accept it. you dont have to discredit just because youre the same skin tone.
@@ValFolarin If you actually brush up on your reading comprehension, I gave both Jay and Em credit. He didn’t “murder” Jay Z!
And why would you assume I’m black??!
But It’s obvious you’re white with your corny and defensive assumptions! And stop using the term “ninjas”…either use the actual N word or just state black or African American!
@@Slim_45 his flow and wordplay were better. We talking about Hip-Hop. Jays been saying the same dang thing since 96. Em talked about his life experience going to war with the Catholics and Mormons over things he’s saying….its unique to hip-hop. That’s what makes him unique not just relatable.
@@Rumblerocket88 I believe Em’s flow was better, but don’t believe his word play was significantly better than Jay’s. But both were at the top of their game in that song..so I think the question of who was better is more subjective rather than objective. Also, many other rappers before EM were the subject of criticism from conservative groups and politicians, and spoke about it in their songs. Ice T and Tupac as two obvious examples. So that does not make what EM mentioned in his verses original and unique in any way.
Eminem produced the renegade song and rap on it.
Thank You!!!! When Nas said "Em murder You on Your own shit" EEEEEVVVEEEERRRYYY Body Started talking that Eminem Top 3 Bullshit.
Nas got Mad Because Jay said "on oochie wally Your Bodyguard Verse was better than Yours"
and it WAS!!!
Horse had the Standout Verse on Oochie Wally, Tell Me I'm Lying.
I love arguments like this they never end all that matters is everyone understands each others point of views💯
Both Em and Jay killed it on Renegade
I used to think em killed jay but as I got older I realized it’s more neck and neck then people think Jay z’s second verse and em’s 1st verse were on par with each other neck and neck Jay was spitting but was really saying something .. that a large majority of hip hop listeners could relate to because they actually live it .. em from a lyrical standpoint was more witty, metaphorical, rhymes scheme, and riding the beat which a large majority of hip-hop fans can appreciate Because it goes back to the roots of Jus being a nice MC
Beautifully put
THESE are the conversations we need more of on vladtv real technical discussions rap and styles
Agree with Math on this ….People ain’t start saying that til Nas said it on ‘Ether’ …. They both spit immaculate verses… and instead of pitting them against each other … understand they set out to make a great song… and they accomplished that.. it’s not a competition it’s about making good music.
That’s a lie. People were saying that all fall around my way
people were saying that before renegade even came out
@@realpoetics how?
@@realpoeticsabsolutely not. Y’all some liars lol. I’ll go as far to even say fans didn’t even focus on who had a better verse or who killed who before ether. Like the OP said they set out to make a good song from two different perspectives.
@@wayne2746 thank u! I feel the same.. like that wasn’t a convo.. amongst non rappers..
Eminem’s delivery, subject matter, word play, everything was much better. It was a Eminem track.
Jay-Z said it best, “do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it…”
Cap Em destroyed him
Facts
Its not even an argument. If you distorted their voices and did a blind listen 99.9% of people would say Em won by a mile
Em was better 👍
Hov literally says it in his first Bar.”Do you FOOLS listen to music ? Or do you just skim through it” as a kid I thought em killed him because I was a follower. Then I got a bit older and I could really understand Jay Z as a man and his lyrics hit hard to the core. “
“Do not stress to me I wasn’t Grown/especially on nights I brought something home/ to quiet the stomach rumblings: my demeanor. 30 years my senior/ my childhood didn’t mean much/ only raising green up!/🔥🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️ at some point the Hov disrespect and hate gets old and corny. Giving somebody they flowers is hard nowadays
I love 90s and 2000s jay z but I have always thought em did better on that track because he was speaking more than to people just from the hood to all the poor people dealing with shit everywhere not just in the hood and he flowed way better on that beat which I think gives em the edge
By the way I don't think em killed him I just think em had the better verses in that song
Em's flow is what's better than Jays on the record, but the fact all everybody ever says verbatum is Nas' Ether lyrics to discredit Jay speaks volumes.
Bro you need to jump of Jays nuts... Are we all wrong???? Huh??? Wakeup bro. Facts are facts
In the UK, we were saying that before we heard either
EM wasn't talking bout nothing really. Good flow though.
Perfect response by Math
Eminem destroyed Jay on Renegade. Nas was right. Whoever's saying Jay didn't get bodied is a kissass everyone associated in hip hop journalism and Media is so scared to critique Jay, it's pathetic
Yup
It really wasn't Jigga song. Eminem had that verse recorded on that same beat years before jayz jumped on it. It was originally eminem & Royce da 5'9 song.
The delivey of each subject made it clear for me
em made the beat ! then tailor fitted his flow to it with expert precision of course he had the better verse
Keep it 💯 bc Eminem really killed Jay on Renegade
Em rapped circles around Jay on that track. I still think Jay is the GOAT
That song is an exercise in "Flow vs Content" ...but that might be hard for some of the audience to understand, I suppose.
One thing about em, is that he actually becomes one with any beat he's on. That's not an easy thing to do. However the beat on the song is , he actually rhymes in that same pattern. Renegade, he rode the hell outta that beat.
He has rapped off beat in the last 2 decades once he went the lyrical myrical route
Em produced it that’s why
@@McpblackheartI hate that fast shit he be doing.. it's cool sometimes but he be overdoing it. Man has become the white Twista. Lol
Everybody Knows Eminem Was Better. Jay Z Was Trying To Hard On The Song. Eminem Flow Was Better On The Beat
1:53 vlad you said you said it before Nas said it but now you saying he didn't murder Jay 😂😂😂😂
I been saying this. Finally glad a famous rapper said it. Now, maybe some people can catch it from a new perspective.
Em was better on renegade but JAY-Z still delivered solid verses
When I was young I thought Eminem BODIED him but now that I’m in my 30’s Jay-Z was in GOD mode. His whole first verse and meaning behind it was CRAZY
from a technical standpoint em did body him
Still don't understand it. It was originally Royse song from what I understand. I think Royse had to pick between renegade and rock with me. The beat and Eminem Verse was already laid. It's not like em and Jay were in thr booth together. Still a great song regardless. I don't think Jay got bodied
I had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles
Pockets filled with a lotta lint, not a cent
Gotta vent, lotta innocent lives lost on the project bench
What you hollerin'? Gotta pay rent, bring dollars in
By the bodega, iron under my coat, feelin' braver
Durag wrappin' my waves up, pockets full of hope
Do not step to me
I'm awkward, I box lefty
An orphan, my pops left me
And often my mama wasn't home
Jay-Z was spitting spitting!
I like that I'm seeing everybody saying the same thing when we got older 😂😂
@@jacoballen3532you're right. But we can't ignore that Eminem made the beat and knew exactly how he wanted to flow on it
I always liked Lil Wayne’s Sqad up version of Renegade the most.
anyone know where Matt's hat is from? as in the Brand of the hat?
I was a kid (13) when Renegade came out and I remember the adults in my fam talking about how much Em washed Jay-Z on that song. This was the day it came out, before Ether.
I felt the same, but the song also felt off to me because it always seemed like 2 different songs between their verses. It only made sense later when I found out that song was originally recorded with Royce Da 5'9 in place of Jay-Z. It sounds much more cohesive with Royce on it.
The song is on Jayz album wtf are talking ?
@@cav65you can't read dummy?
Eminem did bodied jay-z on his own track
Seriously
I like Math a lot, but “whose verse would Tupac like more” has to be the worst way to judge who is better 😂
I thought that was Africa Bambaataa on the thumbnail lol
I liked jay-z verse better because it felt like he was saying and painting a picture of what he went through his childhood all the way up to where he was at the moment. And Eminem was rapping about the perception of others had of him as a artist at that time. Most people only listen to cadence and flow and not the actual story if there’s any at all in the song. Barely any today
Eminem at his Best was the Eminem Show. He sounds like an American on that album. Square Dance and White America are VERY conscious Political records. Then you have Superman and Drips which are nasty records for the females. Without Me is very entertaining. That album perfectly describes what the USA is. No other rapper has ever done that. I feel as if Black Americans don't embrace being Sovereign Citizens of the USA in general. Eminem is Unique, Real and very talented, that's why he's great.
What??? This a word salad of nothing, much like Eminem lyrics lol.
What the heck are you talking about... 🤔?
Eminem rapped about politics, getting cheated on, being in a toxic relationship, partying. If I listen to Eminem Show I'm clearly listening to somebody describing life in the USA. What other rapper has ever done that?
The Eminem Show is a album about America. It describes the USA. No other rapper has ever made me feel like they are describing America in their music. What rapper do you believe describes the USA perfectly in their music?
In Square Dance Eminem is rapping about the 04 Iraq War and the possible draft. In Drips he's rapping about shiesty women and getting cheated on. In Superman he's rapping about sleeping with loose women and how relationships can be toxic so he prefers to sleep around. Those are topics everybody can relate too. I hear that album and I feel like I'm in the USA. I don't know how else to explain it to you.
Em bodied Jigga. 20 yrs ago AND today. Don't matter how old anybody gets. You can still appreciate both verses.
I'm the same way, I've never bought into that, that someone killed you on your own stuff and to add on to that , I don't believe in the argument one bit that something is better then the original.
Jay-z got on the song with those em verses already written. The original song was with royce. It was just remixed for jay with no new eminem lyrics. So jay already knew what em said and just put his verse to it. I assume jay didn't care what em did on the track. That is part of the reason royce had a problem with eminem. That song was for bad meets evil 2.
Yes he did and he killed Nas even worst on EPMD and no one talks about it.
Math Hoffa is a battle rapper and he approached the question right . RENEGADE WASNT A WAR SONG. I NEVER GOT WHY PEOPLE TRIED TO SAY HE KILLED HOV. IT WASNT A COMPETITION RECORD
Proof is that ems verse already existed. If it was a battle that would have never happened. I will say though that owed us the war song and never got it.
Really appreciate Math's take on renegade. It's an all time classic, both killed it.
Renegade originally was a song Eminem did with Royce Da 5'9"
Em destroyed jay on renegade ..
Salute to my brother Math 🙏🏾💯
Do you think Math Hoffa has a longer wiener 🌭 than 50 Cent ?
Do not step to me, I’m awkward I box lefty, often, my pops left me an orphan.. my moms just wasn’t home
🐪 did his thing but Em was killing everyone back then
Jay-Z, Nas, Rakim,Eminem, Tupac. Based on Hip Hop Impact & Music Culture.
I gotta take nas out and put biggie in there and gotta take Eminem out and put lil Wyane in there.. then Eminem and Nas..
@@JohnKing-jz9zb True
“… He’s rapping about hugging his mother and his mother crying on him. Like, who hasn’t been in that moment in the hood? Who hasn’t felt that?”
Eminem 🤣
Imagine using one verse on a song to say someone is a goat. Vlad come on man
Thank You!!!! When Nas said "Em murder You on Your own shit" EEEEEVVVEEEERRRYYY Body Started talking that Eminem Top 3 Bullshit.
Nas got Mad Because Jay said "on oochie wally Your Bodyguard Verse was better than Yours"
and it WAS!!!
Horse had the Standout Verse on Oochie Wally, Tell Me I'm Lying.
Em on delivery, flow, rhymes
Jay on substance, content
They both killed it. Then Nas turned it into a debate. Funny tho, since Em gave that to Hov when it originally belonged to Royce
I always felt Jay Z's verse hit home more with me than Em's being it was something I could relate to.
Thank You Matt Eminem Didn't Murda Jay-Z On Renegade Only The Nas D--- Riders Say That Because He Said It
Facts
@Evvs1_ STFU And Get Off Nas D***
Can we just agree that it was 🔥 and thats it.we got 2 of the best lyricists on a dope beat and not a bs track
this finna be a great interview
I never understood that perception of Eminem killing Jay on Renegade. Eminem has the novelty of being a VERY talented and skilled white artist and it subconsciously makes him look special to some black people. Both had good bars. But when you think about it, Jays music in general and verse on renegade ages like fine wine. Eminem’s music in general and renegade verse aged like milk.
Nobody was saying Eminem killed Jay Z until Nas said it on Ether
False
Because they couldn't admit it. If you say something bad about Jay in hiphop people looked at you funny
Jay Z even said it himself. @@deesee2051
🧢🧢🧢🧢
@@lesegom7172why?? Why people would look at u funny?? Jayz got y’all internet trolls on his nuts
Em unlocked another level of lyricism and alliteration. Hov was spittin and sayin real shit but I think Em presence inspired him to get to that place on that song
Funny how when Glad brought up Dear Mama, Math tried to compare it to Biggie's Everyday Struggle. But Everyday Struggle sounds like a Tupac song when you really listen to it 😆
Renegade was Eminem's song from jump. Jay asked him what he had that they could collaborate on and Em pulled out Renegade. He took verses off to make room for Jay's verse. So technically it was Eminem's song and Jay-Z put a verse on it and put it on his album. And no, Em didn't murder Jay.
I wonder about that, because Renegade only ever appeared on the Blueprint. It never appeared on any of Eminem's albums which were released around the same time as the Blueprint (The Slim Shady LP (1999) ;The Marshall Mathers LP (2000);The Eminem Show (2002) ;Encore (2004)
Jay gets most of the royalties for the song because he's the main artist, while Em gets royalties for production and being a guest feature.
@@thebeatnumber If Jay-Z copped the song for his album it's his. Why would it also need to show up on Eminem's album? Not unheard of but the fact is Renegade was Eminem's song. Jay dropped a verse on it and put it on his album. Tadaa!
@@dirtylaundrymedia Eminem didn't own Renegade just because he produced it. Dr Dre produced Snoop's entire debut Doggystyle album including Snoop's first number one song "Who Am I? (What's My Name?) Dre also featured on " Who Am I (What's My Name) so by your logic, that song never belonged to Snoop, it was always a Dr Dre song😏
Jayz murked that song. He wasnt trynna sound melodic like eminem thats why casuals think Em won. He even gave you a lil taste of a sick melodic flow with “Do not step to me
I'm awkward, I box lefty
An orphan, my pops left me
And often my mama wasn't home
Could not stress to me, I wasn't grown”. Jay definitely barred the track to death🔥
Yes
Em never murdered Hov on Renegade Nas set that mindset for that record people listen to it wit that intent. Hov murdered that recorded his verses are underappreciated because of Nas even I was influenced by that thought process because I was a big Nas fan when I was young and I still am just now I know how to think for myself when it comes to music.
I can’t believe ppl think E did better on that song….J’s verse was totally more relatable, E with the “….Latter Day Saints against me…” flow type stuff….the “…you didn’t do good at marriage…” SMH. Stoppit. J’s struggle I felt fs….
Eminem did NOT body Jay at all. That's a myth propagated by Nas' Ether. Jay's verse and imagery were impeccable
Thank You!!!! When Nas said "Em murder You on Your own shit" EEEEEVVVEEEERRRYYY Body Started talking that Eminem Top 3 Bullshit.
Nas got Mad Because Jay said "on oochie wally Your Bodyguard Verse was better than Yours"
and it WAS!!!
Horse had the Standout Verse on Oochie Wally, Tell Me I'm Lying.
Jay didn't get murdered on renegade, but .........
Jay did get murdered on Ether
This is always been an Internet shit, when two or more people decide to get on a song or make music together whether they’re singing wrapping or playing instruments. They’re trying to make the best possible it’s not a competition.!!
I think they both handled business but that “Do not step to me I’m awkward I box lefty” psh that line went stupid and that’s just one line
Bruh Em did his thang. Only NY will hate on that man.
Thank you! Finally, someone is speaking REAL FACTS
Eminem is overrated! He even said if he was black he would have sold half. Nobody is listening to that lyrical miracle bs 💯
A LOT of people are listening to that lyrical miracle bs 😂 for some reason...... too many.
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT, EM BEING WHITE SOLD OVER A FEW 100S MILLION ALBUMS ALMOST 300 WORLWIDE SO IF EM WAS BLACK HE WOULD AT LEAST SOLD 100 MILLION(NOT A BAD THING HUH!)
@@joojoobaw hell yeah can't nobody relate to that sht😂
@@ieshawashington9459I'm black and relate to Ems music. Yall ignorant
Eminems half still outsells every other rapper dumbass. With the exception of maybe Drake.
Jay z verse is relatable because he was talking about struggles in the hood
Em talked about how America viewed him as an artist and his influence and pointed out the hypocrisy of them saying Em is a bad influence on youth
This is all about perspective
When Renegade became an Eminem B-side on the lose yourself single . No other artist does that. Em’s beat , Em killed it and took it back .
I got Hov over Em on Renegade. Hovs verse was too fire. It touched the soul.
Em mopped the floor with Jay Z! Jay Z basic at best but hyped like he’s Biggie. Speaking from a down south perspective 🏌🏾
Basic at best? Reasonable Doubt is basic lol?
You’re wrong
That's not a down south perspective that's YOUR PERSPECTIVE
You clearly haven’t listened to his discography
Im from down south and I disagree 100%
Omfg Vlad talking bout he said it before Nas did this guy is a trip
"Everyday Struggle" was a underground smash just like "Gimmie Tha Loot" OR "Machine Gun Funk".. It was a B-Side record for the masses but got NO AIR PLAY, but ... "Dear Mama"
(underrated opinion.. "If My Homies Call" was one of 2Pac's BEST songs.. Top 3!! " If you ever need a place to stay.." 🥶😵)
The fact that people say Jay-Zs verse was better because they "relate more" to Jay-Zs verse shows what Em did because they expose their bias. Im black by the way.
Bruh Em smoked Jay on Renegade 😂 don't care what nobody say and I'm a bratha
@@pounded_pawg and I agree with you
You casuals love melodic flows. Jayz barred the track to death with vivid lyricism
@@VinceBond-ky2zt "take a bath with catholics in holy water,no wonder they try to hold me under longer"... This ain't vivid lyricism????
@@lesegom7172they both displayed vivid lyricism. Some people prefer melodic sounding raps. That’s not what Jayz was going for. He briefly displayed it in his second verse with “do not step to me I’m awkward I box lefty an orphan my pops left my momma wasn’t home” . A casual rap fan will always prefer melody but it’s cool
The older I get the more I like Jay's verse. At this point, I think it has more substance than the lyrical gymnastics Em displayed on the track.
Em talks about censorship, religion, politics and influence in his verses. Jay talks about the same shit he talked about on Guess Who's Back, Where I'm From, Dec 4, and most of his catalog in general
@@aj9730 Yes, but I don't feel it the way I feel Jay on the track. While I get it and it's impactful what Em says on the track his amazing wordsmithship distracts from the content the more I revisit it. Jay's seems more emotive there's an element of distress to his delivery which I'm starting to like more.
I like this breakdown.
It's undeniable Jay went to the realms with the bars.... Thing is Eminem kinda lives there. He may have spat amazing verses but so did Eminem - Eminem just packaged it a lot better