Thank you so much for another beautiful discussion. I have always been fascinated by the Shroud and kept photos of His face developed from the shroud with me since college days
Great interview, thank you 🙏🏼 Since studying the Course I was holding the question in my mind about the reality of the historical man Jesus, so one day i just asked Jesus the question .. days later and out of the blue i received a clear and distinct thought/voice which said 'I am just as real as you'. This settled the question for me. Besides had a vision in a dream when i encountered Jesus. Someone said to me that Jesus is coming by any moment ... and there he came, he appeared from my left and the moment i saw him i realised that it was an old friend of mine and i said 'oh it's you' and Jesus replied the same back to me when he saw me 'oh its you'. I gave him a big hug and the rights side of my face was touching his upper chest ... in that moment I felt i was transcending time and space, being somehow transported into infinity ...
Thank you for finally getting this episode uploaded. I saw the first few minutes of the live podcast but was pulled away and have been eagerly awaiting the upload so I could see the whole interview. Awesome work - again, Thank You very sincerely!
Always been fascinated with the Shroud and by extension Jesus himself.. it has furthered my relationship with Jesus not hindered it. Behold "I am" come as a light unto the World... For me the Shroud is literally evidence of the light
A superb discussion, thank you so much. I have no doubt that the Shroud is the burial cloth of Yeshua. Joe Marino is really excellent, his research is quite admirable.
Thank you so much for this excellent discussion, Robert and Emily. I've recently read a fascinating book on this topic, called A Burst of Conscious Light by Dr Andrew Silverman. I don't know if Dr Silverman knows about ACIM, but I definitely got the sense that maybe he does. Some of the things he says sound very Course like. He explains some very interesting scientific evidence on the Shroud. Recommended reading.
Many satanic cult believing idiots of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man are still desperately trying to disprove the shroud of Turin in order to discredit by making a false testimony against the Church of saints that Jesus established under the stewardship of Peter but the shroud remained as the ultimate devinely testimonial masterpiece of Jesus's resurrection which no human science can even comprehend
Many shroud researchers believe that that separate cloth does exist and was removed from the face before the shroud was applied, and that it is currently called the Sudarium of Oviedo.
Right but when you're carrying that much light which Jesus was carrying, and you re-enter your body, it's going to leave sort of an imprint of the body. Kind of like a flash on cameras.
The Marino/Rodgers secret repair hypothesis has not been accepted by any textile scientist who has examined the Shroud in person. Relics which were in the tomb along with the Shroud have also shown severely skewed radiocarbon dates. The Sudarium has been radiocarbon dated three times, and each test gave an 8th century result. The Titulum Crucis test was 11th century, and the Tunic was 7th century. The Phillips/Rucker neutron absorption hypothesis accounts for these anomalies, but the repair hypothesis fails. See: "The Carbon Dating of the Shroud is Explained by Neutron Absorption," Rucker, 2020.
@jeffreyerwin3665 Remember, the disciple Thomas didn't have the written word as we have it, and he knew it was Christ before him as he knew what He looked like. We don't. So believing on a cloth with an unknown someone's imprint on it doesn't count. Even Christ said about the rich man in hell regarding his brother's. They have the law and prophets which was enough to send them to hell.
God allowed it to exist just as He kept His word intact until this generation that is only now twisting scripture to fit their liking. There is no fear of God in the west. God left this relic for this scoffing skeptical times! Believing God exists is not faith as James 2 makes clear. Believing what He said is whole other matter. Faith is a living relationship like a marriage. You grow in the others faith after you make your vow. … same with faith. So we have one more apologetic argument for our day…. The science discovered in study of the Shroud and Sudarium!
@jeffreyerwin3665 If you read your Bible, we are all created in His image. It also says Christ was not physically appealing, which clearly, the image on the cloth is. It is not Christ. Believing it makes an idol of that cloth, as foolish people desire objects. Sciences job is disprove or deceive when it comes to Biblical truth.
Thank you so much for another beautiful discussion. I have always been fascinated by the Shroud and kept photos of His face developed from the shroud with me since college days
Great interview, thank you 🙏🏼 Since studying the Course I was holding the question in my mind about the reality of the historical man Jesus, so one day i just asked Jesus the question .. days later and out of the blue i received a clear and distinct thought/voice which said 'I am just as real as you'. This settled the question for me.
Besides had a vision in a dream when i encountered Jesus. Someone said to me that Jesus is coming by any moment ... and there he came, he appeared from my left and the moment i saw him i realised that it was an old friend of mine and i said 'oh it's you' and Jesus replied the same back to me when he saw me 'oh its you'. I gave him a big hug and the rights side of my face was touching his upper chest ... in that moment I felt i was transcending time and space, being somehow transported into infinity ...
Great episode. Great work. I had no ideia about the polemics around the shroud. What a dedication of the scholar. Thank you.
Thank you for finally getting this episode uploaded. I saw the first few minutes of the live podcast but was pulled away and have been eagerly awaiting the upload so I could see the whole interview. Awesome work - again, Thank You very sincerely!
Outstanding. Joe is doing great work. I hope that movie gets made.
Always been fascinated with the Shroud and by extension Jesus himself.. it has furthered my relationship with Jesus not hindered it.
Behold "I am" come as a light unto the World... For me the Shroud is literally evidence of the light
A superb discussion, thank you so much. I have no doubt that the Shroud is the burial cloth of Yeshua. Joe Marino is really excellent, his research is quite admirable.
Thank you so much for this excellent discussion, Robert and Emily. I've recently read a fascinating book on this topic, called A Burst of Conscious Light by Dr Andrew Silverman. I don't know if Dr Silverman knows about ACIM, but I definitely got the sense that maybe he does. Some of the things he says sound very Course like. He explains some very interesting scientific evidence on the Shroud. Recommended reading.
Hello Robert
When you say the church, what church?
I'm thinking catholic but I wasn't sure.
Thank you for this interview it was very informative♥️
Traditional Christian church. 💙
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What ever that means🤔
Many satanic cult believing idiots of sola scriptura a man made tradition invented by a devil possessed man are still desperately trying to disprove the shroud of Turin in order to discredit by making a false testimony against the Church of saints that Jesus established under the stewardship of Peter but the shroud remained as the ultimate devinely testimonial masterpiece of Jesus's resurrection which no human science can even comprehend
I was under the assumption that a SEPARATE cloth covered Jesus face. If that is the case, how could the shroud (1 piece) be legitimate?
Many shroud researchers believe that that separate cloth does exist and was removed from the face before the shroud was applied, and that it is currently called the Sudarium of Oviedo.
Right but when you're carrying that much light which Jesus was carrying, and you re-enter your body, it's going to leave sort of an imprint of the body. Kind of like a flash on cameras.
Real life Indiana Jones. Fascinating 🧐 ❤
The Marino/Rodgers secret repair hypothesis has not been accepted by any textile scientist who has examined the Shroud in person. Relics which were in the tomb along with the Shroud have also shown severely skewed radiocarbon dates. The Sudarium has been radiocarbon dated three times, and each test gave an 8th century result. The Titulum Crucis test was 11th century, and the Tunic was 7th century. The Phillips/Rucker neutron absorption hypothesis accounts for these anomalies, but the repair hypothesis fails.
See: "The Carbon Dating of the Shroud is Explained by Neutron Absorption," Rucker, 2020.
The injuries incurred are on the right side of the face, that indicates a left handed person struck the face
Nope! We don't. We don't have cross fragments, fingernails, etc, because God gave us the Word, become flesh. That's all we need.
@jeffreyerwin3665 Remember, the disciple Thomas didn't have the written word as we have it, and he knew it was Christ before him as he knew what He looked like. We don't. So believing on a cloth with an unknown someone's imprint on it doesn't count. Even Christ said about the rich man in hell regarding his brother's. They have the law and prophets which was enough to send them to hell.
God allowed it to exist just as He kept His word intact until this generation that is only now twisting scripture to fit their liking. There is no fear of God in the west.
God left this relic for this scoffing skeptical times!
Believing God exists is not faith as James 2 makes clear. Believing what He said is whole other matter.
Faith is a living relationship like a marriage. You grow in the others faith after you make your vow. … same with faith.
So we have one more apologetic argument for our day…. The science discovered in study of the Shroud and Sudarium!
@yahkins1 There is no fear of God in the earth, east and west. And, even in the denominations and pulpits.
@jeffreyerwin3665 If you read your Bible, we are all created in His image. It also says Christ was not physically appealing, which clearly, the image on the cloth is. It is not Christ. Believing it makes an idol of that cloth, as foolish people desire objects. Sciences job is disprove or deceive when it comes to Biblical truth.
@@kimdawcatgirl amen it is true but Praise God
“He always preserves a remnant who do not bow the knee to Baal “. !