What Photographers Get Wrong about Filmmaking
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2018
- A generalised, and extremely subjective view on the differences between modern digital photography and videography, from a work/skills perspective. Thought it an interesting topic, if nothing more than a conversation starter.
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Also using shutter speed in filmmaking is something that some photographers should learn I think :)
The way you filmed this youtube video just confirms what you said about the problem as photographer. This video looks like photo
This is one of the most delightful videos I've watched in a while! Every single one of your observations have been true for me as a photographer who got into filmmaking. Transferring your mindset and skills to a new medium is far more difficult than it may seem, but being aware of the differences between each art form is the first step to adequately thrive in both!
Having started out as a stills photographer and then moved onto video, I totally agree with your analysis and found it interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Great points. I would also add that filmmaking requires a sense of rhythm that you don’t necessarily need for photography (although it might be suggested in a still image). Rhythm in directing performance through a scene and editing it. And obviously relating to this is the other 50% of film which photographers don’t directly deal with - Sound. I prefer the term sound over audio because I feel it encapsulates the creative and experiential as well as the technical aspects. Good audio makes a film watchable, good sound makes it emotionally engaging and involving.
21 yrs in photo production. Adding motion to my repertoire. Love your video. I’ve been a New York photographer and due to pandemic I’m coming back with more skills to stay ahead. I may have questions. 👍😁
Excellent Points, Wish the wedding industry knew this and compensated each appropriately.
Jared McMillan I also wish the photographers would watch this video too so that they aren’t on a high horse like they are half the time
@@RyanMcComas as a photographer I couldn't agree more! I've always had a deep respect for filmmakers. Most wedding photographers (which I was for full time for 10 yrs) can be rather spoiled brats and they are taught to be that way by some "famous" photographers who would say that photographers have to make sure that videographer know their place. I've always wondered what they really meant, so idiotic!
another great vid. i’ve often found filmmaking a lot more restrictive and even formulaic. still photography allows for much more creative freedom without having to ‘make sense’ or ‘motivate’ a light source or whatever. on the technical side, it’s tricky to not be able to just dial in output on hotlights like you can with strobes, tho LEDs are starting to change that convo. anywho interesting to think about. thx for sharing!
Thanks for the feedback! I have to say I often find photography more creatively satisfying, because its so immediate. The idea to final product is so quick, where in film its sometimes years. Glad to have your input.
Great observations, and from your experience. Much appreciated.
Excellent video Rubidium! Very useful information for all filmmakers 🎬
You don't know How really this help me to take a big decision in my life. In this moment I'm going to choose one of this careers: just photography or the direction of the photography for filmmaking. I really don't know wich one is my passion but I'm going to start with the filmmaking to have a big start and then I'll see if I'm happy with that. But thank you for give so much clarity about it
I've been a still photographer since I was gifted my first real camera in the mid-80s. While my current camera has the ability to capture video, I have only played with it as a novelty. Then, about 18 months ago, a local director who was familiar with my work asked if I would shoot his movie. I'm always willing to accept a challenge, so I said yes and since then it has been a learning experience. In all my years of camera work, I have never photographed a subject without learning something new about the craft, so I'm not unfamiliar with the process of learning. The basics of composition and light are the same, but the addition of time and all the other people involved in the filmmaking process have been the biggest hurdles. Thankfully, we have the seemingly infinite combined knowledge of people like yourself who take the time to share what you know with the rest of us.
My first passion will always be still photography. But the challenge of cinematography (and the potential financial rewards) does have an allure that I find appealing, if only because you're never too old to learn something new. (I'm 52, by the way, and we're shooting this movie on a Sony A99ii.)
Thank you, helped me a lot. I’m a photographer who’s starting to get into filming. I haven’t posted much on RUclips but I’m starting to build up it.
Thanks for broaching this subject. There are some transferable skills, coming from photography. And perhaps some baggage as well.😅 Exposing for a more or less constant 1/50s shutter speed is a biggy. Composing for a wider aspect ratio is another. Getting everything right in camera reminds me of shooting slide film, a bit more thought and preparation. Audio can’t be underestimated. If a video has bad audio, generally I’ll skip it. And your right, it is very difficult to do it all by yourself. Getting lay people to understand how labour intensive filming is, can be difficult, but when they see the results, they understand. Smartphone filming has it’s place, but a sophisticated set up produces something more enduring and that’s why a lot of us are here right? 😃
Great Video RB! Fantastic points!
Excellent points, thanks!
Thank you for this insight! If I could press "like" a thousand times, I would.
Thanks Marko!
Its quite obvious that photography story telling is moment based, while film story telling is linear. Linear storytelling is far more demanding, and photographers need to recalibrate their thinking to a much different approach. Story narrative, shots lists, lighting continuity, pacing, eye trace, and many other factors are unique to film, that inform a good DP how to approach a shoot. I have struggled with projects where I tried to employ photographers who were keen on shooting video who wouldn't think beyond single shots. This obvious stuff aside, I think photographers have an advantage of going into film if they are already good at lighting and composition. They just have to expand on that by telling stories within the linear process. Any monkey can learn the technical and post process. After all, the head of the camera department is called Director of Photography.
I've found that alot of, particularly fashion photographers, can't work to a specific brief, or achieve a preconcieved image, but rely more on taking tons of pictures and hoping for a happy accident. When you work with them, you always need a very talented first assistant who knows lighting. (And stylist/makeup expert, if it's beauty.) They are the people who make big name photographers look good.
Great video! I am trying to move from photography to video and more or less experience all problems you describe. Can you please make separate video on how to combine video and stills if possible ?
Would love to!
Interesting topic.
I think the honeymoon phase of having video capabilities in stills cameras is over.
Now it’s time for the marriage, which is far more difficult
So film is harder than photography. LOL. Most ppl def go from photography to film (I did yonks ago). Easy transition. But all your points are valid. Although it seems obvious I find it hard to accept filmmaking is harder. All the same for me.
I think they are both very hard in different ways. And most people won’t be equally good at both.
I think the biggest thing I had to learn from shooting photos to videos is that fact that I had to keep the shutter speed at 1/50 while filming in 24fps and change the f-stop and iso. In photo if I wanted to change the exposure I would just increase the shutter speed up to 1/8000 of a second.
For sure. With video you need to add things like ND filters to decrease exposure.
Wow, thank you!
You forgot to talk about lighting. You can't light with speed lights or strobes. You need to light with continuous lights. My first pro dlr was a Nikon D600 and I really wanted to press the record button. It could record 1080p. So I sold all my speed lights and photography stands and learned to light like Hollywood; with C-Stands and Matthews Studio Equipment. Today I have a Sony a7III which is a fine camera for stills, but for video I want to shoot RAW. I believe in lighting one time and then shoot either photos or video; and Hollywood lighting is my choice for both.
Great video and explanation! :D
Glad you liked it!
What training or skills does a person need to have to be a stills photographer? What is it that you look for when you hire the same person over and over?
They need to have technical ability and a recognizable style. It helps if they're easy to work with.
Crimson Engine thank you!
I see you use filmmaking/cinematography interchangeable with videography and video, but truth is, those are two different sets of workflow and deliverance, film in itself require a ton of planning and setup whereas video is spontaneous often, requires a ton of footage and while planning is important, its not AS important as it is in film, the editing is also vastly different between the two.
Its possible to incorporate cinematography into video production yes but thats an artistic style which is irrelevant to production aspect, there also two very different sets of requirement in terms of equipment, in cinema you have time to pull focus, but when you shoot video, you may not have time to do anything but click on record button and hope the camera does it for you, hence why professionals use big pro videocams still to this day and cinema can easily be shot on a tiny little DSLR by comparison.
Not every video needs a story either, commercials for example do not always need a story but commercials are video productions in essence (not always, but most the time) and same is true for some docu style videos does not always have a story but rather shows you something, a story can always be created by anyone out of thin air, wall painting drying, whats the story? Well water molecules in the paint is drying up etc etc thats certainly a story, but not interesting and most definitely not the intention by the creator unless he literally shows the water drying from the paint itself.
Videographers in the past also never focused on showing a "good" image, they were trained differently and thats why photographers may find it hard to do video compared to a photographer who gets into cinematography as composition is far less important in video, than it is in film.
Again, video can have good composition, but the main point of videography is that video in itself is the most important aspect of what you are showing, whereas in cinema, the film footage aint that important as sound and storytelling is.
In videography showing people at an event having a good time its more important getting the entire picture in frame, showing the people dancing or talking to each other, you want wide shots or medium shots, but if a cinematographer approaches this same production he might choose to do an establishing shot, then close up of what the event is about, if there is a music band playing music, he is gonna want to film the band in details and that means close ups, for a videographer, he does not have time to accomplish this if this was a real event unless he had multiple assistant videographers to get those B-rolls.
And this I feel like no one talks about, no one mentions the aspect of videography and cinematography, photographers who get into video often have trouble differentiating as they are very different and different approaches to how you handle something, in video quantity is king, more often than not, you are better off filming as damn much as possible because whatever you are filming, may not be reproducible afterwards, whereas in filmmaking its all staged anyway (there no such thing as filmmaking a live show) and because its staged, you can restage a scene that was not perfect, do you see my problem? Videoing an accidental car crash, is a form of videography, if you did it with a 35mm panavision film camera, its still VIDEOGRAPHY, the tool you use, has nothing to do with the wording, cinematography and videography. Film and video yes they used to be different forms of storage medium, today however its irrelevant as everything is stored digital one way or another, even the 35mm negatives are digitally scanned, why is it irrelevant? Because you are no longer restricted by the cameras as you used to be, back in the day film cameras were heavy and bulky, had no form of autofocus, no prism to look through when the filming occurred sometimes, whereas video cameras of those days were smaller (we are talking video cameras outside studio work) had usually a briefcase in which a massive magnetic tape recorded your stuff and later cameras had huge cassettes usually a form of beta/vhs or DV etc etc to store the medium, this allowed for footage to be quickly edited, manipulated and so on, allowing for more mistakes and not to mention, these digital tapes could be reused, film was expensive and therefore mistakes were more punishing but video did not care, you could shoot that stuff all day but the cameras themselves already had autofocus by 1970s and live view mini-CRT's, some could even edit in camera the footage you shot or delete footage on the go, it allowed for a different nature, the same kind of nature of shooting video and even film that exists today, its all spontaneous.
Its the same with digital and film photography, times changed, production changed and with it, composition changed, people take more risks, people take more images, rely more on automatic features and laziness creeps in, why spend time crafting a good scene, when you are gonna use your footage on the internet and it may only be for 1 day, 1 week, 1 month or just 1 year, time is money.
was this shot with canon mark 4? it is sharp!
interesting topic and insight. thanks for the effort and sharing. i am an appreciative subscriber. thumbs up.
Lets just say that Videography is harder than photography, its more diverse.
Is doing both together harmful for my career?
It depends how well u do it
I am somewhat disappointed with this breakdown. It suffices to say that if you're working at a high level in photography or filmmaking, then it requires a high level of performance. I also think that photography to cinematography is a better relationship to discuss. Photography has become democratized over the last 10-15 years, maybe longer. But the smartphone put a camera in everyone's pocket. So everyone's a photographer now, and I tend to worry that photography has lost some perceived value or respect. It's hard to make good pictures. Scrolling through instagram is not a good measure of how challenging it is to make engaging imagery. If people only watched movies on their phone, then I suspect cinema would lose quite a bit of emotional engagement too. There's a reason the movie screen is 50 feet wide, scale is massively important when stories are conceived, along with photography that accompanies any major motion picture. I mean scale is critical, be it Andreas Gursky showing pieces in the MOMA, or a slick Nike ad on a billboard. This is true in abstract expressionist paintings in many museums, and epic cinematic gems like The Searchers. I'd love to hear you talk about how still photographers can become better cinematographers, that I'd be psyched to hear you talk about.
If I age like this guy, I would be so happy
Still images don’t have sound
but the really good photos do speak!
Word
Photography is superior. Real photographs - not snapshots - are actual ART