Last year feels like a bigger what-if than what we thought at the time. The defense was better and the team seemed to play with more fire even with consistently bad QB play. I don't know to what extent the Achilles has limited Rodgers' play but it certainty doesn't help to have a 40-year-old QB coming off a major injury who hadn't played a meaningful game in a year and a half.
Woody Johnson got his money by inheritance. He wasn’t self-made. But Perna’s point still stands: being rich doesn’t make you good at making football decisions.
And You'd think a guy who's made all that money on band-aids and baby oil would kick some of that down to the Jets abused fan base. Lube up Jets fans, it's a still a long season
@@Gio34811 Yeah Aaron Rodgers was calling Travis Kelce Mr. Pfizer for doing an ad for $100k or whatever while taking $112.5m from the Johnson & Johnson fortune and licking Woody Johnson front to back at every opportunity. Aaron Rodgers the loudest hypocrite in sports, never would have guessed it!
Dude I really think the Pats will be the team in this division that will Challenge the Bills in the next few years long before the other two do. 😂 Especially If Drake Maye keeps heading in the right direction and if Mayo is the right coach. But until the East is ours 😂
@@brucegrossman3531 I know what you mean my wife is from Boston n let’s just say in the last couple years visiting my in-laws during the holidays has been awesome mostly 😂
The Jets are running a HS offense. Under center=run (never play action) , shotgun=pass...almost 100% of the time. No O-line can play with that kind of predictability. Rodgers calls plays at the line, but his receivers don't know what those plays are. He throws a 5 yard Slant but the receiver is running a 10 yard Curl. He throws a 10 yard Out, but the receiver runs a 10 yard Dig. Plus, when the secondary see shotgun (obvious pass), they can scheme man-to-zone (or vice versa) and confuse everyone on offense (mostly Rodgers) or blitz ruthlessly. There is no coaching. "Let Rodgers run the show, he'll figure it out" is no way to run a professional football team. The other 10 guys on offense have no idea what is going on.
The Jets have been bad with the exception of I think that 2010 Mark Sanchez year and 2015ish with that good Ryan Fitzpatrick year. These teams that have been incompetent for basically the entirety of the 2000's (the Bears, Washington, Panthers, Dolphins, Browns, Giants, Jaguars, Jets, etc) all share that they have or had bad owners. They may fall ass backward into a good season here or there but for the most part they're consistently bad for a reason.
eli manning who is not considered a great qb has more super bowl rings than rodgers - and manning beat brady twice in the sb - think about that and what rodgers has done sine his last sb -
Trying to bench Rodgers after all you've built for him just 4 weeks in is absolutely ridiculous. So what how are they going to build anything else there if you were bailing on Rodgers after 4 games?
Aaron Rodgers is showing the world why he is no Tom Brady. He has one Super Bowl, and that was primarily because of the Pack’s defense that year. In truth, what he has managed to do is show the world Brett Farve really was a better QB.
@@charlesfaure1189 Maybe, but the original point still stands. Pack had the number 1 offense and defense and that's ARod's only ring. They won by one score. What other Qb can say they can only win when literally everything that matters is damn near perfect?
So true!!! His heart sucked. Never won the big game, only that Super Bowl game but that was the team, and always riding cover from Packer organization.
Rodgers is the last person you want influencing your young QB. He is not a guy who'll mentor his own replacement, ever--or anyone else, for that matter. The only thing a kid can learn from Aaron is a pattern of toxic behavior.
A good owner in my eyes, is the guy who pays the best people to do their jobs. Other than the money and being the head of the organization you should be letting people do their jobs. The Bills have pretty great owners and i would also say the best GM in football. Look at what we've done. Owners are rather hands off, visits the tailgates and shakes hands. It's a really fun time here.
Notice how there are teams like the Eagles who have an owner like Jeff Lurie who is very laissez faire and rarely speaks. If he has to step in, it's BAD. That's how organizations should be run. Intervene only when you have to. Trust your team and coaches.
That's also dependent on the owner making smart hires. For the most part, Lurie has done that. However, putting your trust in the wrong people to run your team will backfire horrifically
You don’t even have to look outside the division. Fins n Jets owners are always getting involved while Bills n Pats owners let the ppl they hire try n do their job.
Howie Rosen and Jeffrey lurie handle business that's why the eagles are always consistently good there smart they always have amazing drafts they always make big moves during the off season unlike cough cough 🤠💩🤡⭐️
The jets saw themselves as the superbowl winners, before they even played a game. it’s called drinking your own bath water. You have to do the work first.
I think the team is supposed to think they're superbowl talent. Problem I saw was everyone else did too, for some reason. I get why the Jets believed in the Jets, they wanted to win. But why did all the media drink their bathwater too?
@@c.h.n.j.5302 Buddy beating the titans isn't a high bar this year, and as for what i'm proud of? Follow me closely, not being the flaming dumpster fire that is the jets this year.
Yeah, sure, Woody is just another wealthy, idiot Owner, but that doesn't mean that A-Rod is not the RFK Jr of the NFL. We don't miss him here in Wisconsin.
Jersey's Entire Team Sucks needs to conduct a Soviet style purge from the owner to the towel guys. I'm a Seahawks fan. My team once had a culture 'try hard, fail harder'. That wasn't cured until Paul Allen saved the team and fired damned near everybody. I had, and still have, my issues with Pete Carroll, but Coach Carroll brought a culture 'expect to win, correct mistakes, expect to win again'. And the Jets need THAT level of fundamental reboot.
Aaron Rodgers needs to go to the Cowboys. That way all the no talent toxicity in the NFL can be contained to one team. 11:19 Expecting Rodgers to cultivate/mentor/coach his replacement says that you don’t know Rodgers at all.
Said it from day 1 that the aaron rodgers trade was the stupidest trade the jets could have made. They are living like its 2019 football in 2024 and this was always going to be the outcome. The Jets were obviously hoping for 1 good year of football before all these dinosaurs they are hiring aged out which is stupid because you put a bunch of grandpa's on your football team you are going to get ass play and that is what they got. Aaron Rodgers is NOT Tom Brady and they are idiots for trying this and I have said this from literal day 1.
as a jets fan, he most certainly did NOT need to go LOL, idk a single jets fan out there that thought Douglas was the problem, (or at the very least wanting him to go now, like tf is the point firing him now) he was spot on with nearly every single one of his draft picks, he tried helping Wilson by getting a QB coach and young talent around him, went out to get Rodgers when people were pressuring him to, and even went to get Adams lol as far as "problems" go, Douglas was FAR from the biggest one lets just call it like it is, Woody Johnson not knowing what tf he's doing, firing the head coach 5 weeks into the season at 2-3 with a chance of taking the lead in the division, nah just fire him and let an unexperienced person take control, what could go wrong LOL 1-6 since then and our defense has given up entirely, its been this way for 20+ years easily the worst owner in the league
Besides upper management and ownership, who else but the GM should be responsible for putting together a team with no credible backup qb option, a consistently garbage o line and hiring coaches who can't steer the considerable talent on the team to a winning situation? This is what Douglas put together in his 5 year tenure, so yes he's taking the fall for their failure bc he's as big a part of them as the people above him have been. Woody isn't firing himself, let's get that out of the way. As much as I would love for him to go away and sell the team that likely isn't happening either. Moving forward, I thank Douglas for hitting on a number of draft picks in skill positions but the whiffs have been as bad or worse in other areas. Likewise, many of the transactions after the fact have been brutal. I just hope we get to keep some of the bigger talent around for the next regime to build around, but that's the only potential positive moving forward.
It’s funny that your opinion was that Jet fans thought JD was a genius. I think the only reason you believe that is because you mostly interacted with the most obnoxious & brain dead portion of our fanbase during the Rodgers trade. Most of us were very suspicious of JD & the coaching staff before the Rodgers trade & looked at the trade as their last chance to save their jobs.
Joe Douglas is to blame. 1) missing 2 over pick Zack Wilson. 2) Joe miss understood the Jets where a Quarterback away. They only have 1 good receiver at the time. The offense line is trash. Only if the draft Penei Sewell not Zach. BYU doesn't play anyone. Same with Trey Lance.
Fun fact ,Woody Johnson's middle name is Richard...(it should be) Joe Douglas arranged swarovski crystals (good skill draft picks) on the dog turd that is the NY Jets franchise. Its enough to distract most NYers. He thought QAaron was a real gem but no...crack rock!
The Jets are so irrelevant to any interesting AFC/NFL discussion that it makes me wonder the only reason they are even being discussed is because of Aaron Rodgers wasting away on arguably the worst-coached team in the NFL.
Our 2024 season somehow also ended 4 snaps into the 2023 season. Also it's just a rule of life: the jets just arent allowed to be successful. The laws of physics and reality will bend and change to ensure we stay awful forever
Actually no....The Owners mostly come from already superrich families and are inherited. They don;t actually have to be good at anything at all. Most wealth at this point (625) is inherited., so yah
Can The NY Jets Rebuild From Their Own Failure? Jets fan: No, we can't. The fanbase is in full "BLOW IT UP AND CUT EVERYBODY" mode; better to eat a massive cap hit in '25 then have it roll over to '26. Nevermind the side effect we'll be in the Arch Manning sweepstakes, and what are the odds a Manning will dodge the Jets in the draft twice in one lifetime? [Remember, there's a world we draft Peyton, Belichick doesn't leave, Tom Brady and the Pats never happen, and we win like 5 Super Bowls.]
Last year feels like a bigger what-if than what we thought at the time. The defense was better and the team seemed to play with more fire even with consistently bad QB play. I don't know to what extent the Achilles has limited Rodgers' play but it certainty doesn't help to have a 40-year-old QB coming off a major injury who hadn't played a meaningful game in a year and a half.
Can the Jets rebuild?
Come on, fellas. It's only been 55 years. Give them a chance!
They are no longer NY Jets, they have become their final form. NJ Airplanes.
NJ Airbuses
NJ spirit airlines 😂
@@iponce2NJ Beoing
Atlantic City Bi-Wings
More like paperplanes
Woody Johnson got his money by inheritance. He wasn’t self-made. But Perna’s point still stands: being rich doesn’t make you good at making football decisions.
And You'd think a guy who's made all that money on band-aids and baby oil would kick some of that down to the Jets abused fan base. Lube up Jets fans, it's a still a long season
@@littlejimmy7402 it’s so funny this is the way I find out the Johnson and Johnson people own the fucking jets 😭😭
@@Gio34811 Funny how people will zillion dollar inheritances never advertise it.
@@Gio34811 You must be a younger fan, it was a huge talking point last time the big orange was prez
@@Gio34811 Yeah Aaron Rodgers was calling Travis Kelce Mr. Pfizer for doing an ad for $100k or whatever while taking $112.5m from the Johnson & Johnson fortune and licking Woody Johnson front to back at every opportunity. Aaron Rodgers the loudest hypocrite in sports, never would have guessed it!
Vikings should trade for Aaron… for the memes.
For the record the Patriots who no one expected anything this year has the same record as the Jets. Ha.
Dude I really think the Pats will be the team in this division that will Challenge the Bills in the next few years long before the other two do. 😂 Especially If Drake Maye keeps heading in the right direction and if Mayo is the right coach.
But until the East is ours 😂
@jeremytaft8247 I hope so. Can't stand the Jets. And Miami my college roommate and I tease each other when they face off.
I'm a dolphins fan I just hope tua can stay healthy
Maybe next year we can compete for the afc east
@@brucegrossman3531 I know what you mean my wife is from Boston n let’s just say in the last couple years visiting my in-laws during the holidays has been awesome mostly 😂
The Jets are running a HS offense. Under center=run (never play action) , shotgun=pass...almost 100% of the time. No O-line can play with that kind of predictability. Rodgers calls plays at the line, but his receivers don't know what those plays are. He throws a 5 yard Slant but the receiver is running a 10 yard Curl. He throws a 10 yard Out, but the receiver runs a 10 yard Dig. Plus, when the secondary see shotgun (obvious pass), they can scheme man-to-zone (or vice versa) and confuse everyone on offense (mostly Rodgers) or blitz ruthlessly.
There is no coaching. "Let Rodgers run the show, he'll figure it out" is no way to run a professional football team. The other 10 guys on offense have no idea what is going on.
The Jets have been bad with the exception of I think that 2010 Mark Sanchez year and 2015ish with that good Ryan Fitzpatrick year.
These teams that have been incompetent for basically the entirety of the 2000's (the Bears, Washington, Panthers, Dolphins, Browns, Giants, Jaguars, Jets, etc) all share that they have or had bad owners. They may fall ass backward into a good season here or there but for the most part they're consistently bad for a reason.
if rodgers comes back say hello to coach/gm nathaniel hackett
facts
Please stop comparing Aaron Rodgers to Tom Brady. He's nowhere in his league.
eli manning who is not considered a great qb has more super bowl rings than rodgers - and manning beat brady twice in the sb - think about that and what rodgers has done sine his last sb -
Trying to bench Rodgers after all you've built for him just 4 weeks in is absolutely ridiculous. So what how are they going to build anything else there if you were bailing on Rodgers after 4 games?
Aaron Rodgers is showing the world why he is no Tom Brady. He has one Super Bowl, and that was primarily because of the Pack’s defense that year. In truth, what he has managed to do is show the world Brett Farve really was a better QB.
i despise AR, but Gilbert Brown did more to win games and that SB than Favre did.
@@charlesfaure1189 Maybe, but the original point still stands. Pack had the number 1 offense and defense and that's ARod's only ring. They won by one score. What other Qb can say they can only win when literally everything that matters is damn near perfect?
So true!!! His heart sucked. Never won the big game, only that Super Bowl game but that was the team, and always riding cover from Packer organization.
12:00 Aaron was absolutely brought to the Jets for that reason as well, they were going to have Zach Wilson sit and develop behind him...
Rodgers is the last person you want influencing your young QB. He is not a guy who'll mentor his own replacement, ever--or anyone else, for that matter. The only thing a kid can learn from Aaron is a pattern of toxic behavior.
A good owner in my eyes, is the guy who pays the best people to do their jobs. Other than the money and being the head of the organization you should be letting people do their jobs. The Bills have pretty great owners and i would also say the best GM in football. Look at what we've done. Owners are rather hands off, visits the tailgates and shakes hands. It's a really fun time here.
On paper, yes, but this is the Jets, they will buttfumble their way to another failure
Is Grossi still defending Rogers ??
Notice how there are teams like the Eagles who have an owner like Jeff Lurie who is very laissez faire and rarely speaks. If he has to step in, it's BAD. That's how organizations should be run. Intervene only when you have to. Trust your team and coaches.
The only times I ever remember Bob Kraft speaking during the Pats dynasty era is when he was giving Super Bowl victory speeches
That's also dependent on the owner making smart hires. For the most part, Lurie has done that. However, putting your trust in the wrong people to run your team will backfire horrifically
You don’t even have to look outside the division. Fins n Jets owners are always getting involved while Bills n Pats owners let the ppl they hire try n do their job.
Hire people you believe in.
Howie Rosen and Jeffrey lurie handle business that's why the eagles are always consistently good there smart they always have amazing drafts they always make big moves during the off season unlike cough cough 🤠💩🤡⭐️
The jets saw themselves as the superbowl winners, before they even played a game. it’s called drinking your own bath water. You have to do the work first.
I think the team is supposed to think they're superbowl talent. Problem I saw was everyone else did too, for some reason. I get why the Jets believed in the Jets, they wanted to win. But why did all the media drink their bathwater too?
As a lifelong Jets fan, Woody has always been the problem. Only now it’s coming to light. Thank you, Aaron!
Sure. Fire the guy who created "the best roster in 25 years". He's the problem.
GMs often go down for picking the wrong QB. Rodgers is the wrong guy a few years late.
@@thatonewriter8043 I don't think there is a right QB in that org. Something about that place kills QBs.
@@johnmcho rodgers is not rookie qb - so it does not apply to him
The defense was better because of Saleh, getting rid of him so early was a blunder
As a fan of the only football team from new york, please keep Rodgers. Its an easy 2 wins
Perna is very reasonable. I like his take.
Kinda glad im a titans fan rn
Lmfao mf why , no qb zero talent , it’s time to be glad if yall get the number one pick tho
the jets beat the titans like tf you proud of
@@c.h.n.j.5302 that the titans aren't in that whole mess the Jets are in
@@c.h.n.j.5302 Buddy beating the titans isn't a high bar this year, and as for what i'm proud of? Follow me closely, not being the flaming dumpster fire that is the jets this year.
Titans have no superbowl wins
Don't be surprised if Woody spends his UK Ambassador time negotiating the move to make the Jets the first Euro based NFL team in London...
Can they rebuild? Yes
Will it work out? After so many examples of Jets’ rebuilds, probably not
Yeah, sure, Woody is just another wealthy, idiot Owner, but that doesn't mean that A-Rod is not the RFK Jr of the NFL. We don't miss him here in Wisconsin.
Don't put that evil on Pittsburgh, Perna!
I would love to see Rodgers to the Steelers
Trade a few more top draft picks for washed up ex packers and they should be fine
Never forget that Joe Douglas had a chance to draft Whirfs but selected Becton instead.
Woody is the problem that enabled Rodgers’ behavior. I just feel for Jets fans minus Fireman Ed.
He has cancer , don't be mean.
Joe Douglas picked Mekhi Becton over Whirfs
Did...yall forget the clowning that was the Reddick trade that is on Douglas, not Rodgers.
You can also blame all the Rodgers problems on Douglas. He's the one who let Rodgers dog walk him for two years.
A young team needs a good leader. This team doesn’t have a talent issue it has a culture and leadership issue
Jersey's Entire Team Sucks needs to conduct a Soviet style purge from the owner to the towel guys.
I'm a Seahawks fan. My team once had a culture 'try hard, fail harder'. That wasn't cured until Paul Allen saved the team and fired damned near everybody. I had, and still have, my issues with Pete Carroll, but Coach Carroll brought a culture 'expect to win, correct mistakes, expect to win again'. And the Jets need THAT level of fundamental reboot.
Huskers legend Martinez time to save the day!
Lol the owner is going to become the ambassador for the UK for the next 4 years so he going to be gone too. So these is a full rebuild
Aaron Rodgers needs to go to the Cowboys. That way all the no talent toxicity in the NFL can be contained to one team.
11:19 Expecting Rodgers to cultivate/mentor/coach his replacement says that you don’t know Rodgers at all.
🎯
I tried to warn people that this wouldn’t change anything and that the Jets can’t help but be themselves and they called me a fool.
Said it from day 1 that the aaron rodgers trade was the stupidest trade the jets could have made. They are living like its 2019 football in 2024 and this was always going to be the outcome. The Jets were obviously hoping for 1 good year of football before all these dinosaurs they are hiring aged out which is stupid because you put a bunch of grandpa's on your football team you are going to get ass play and that is what they got. Aaron Rodgers is NOT Tom Brady and they are idiots for trying this and I have said this from literal day 1.
Danny Dimes to the Jiggity Jets!!! 😂
as a jets fan, he most certainly did NOT need to go LOL, idk a single jets fan out there that thought Douglas was the problem, (or at the very least wanting him to go now, like tf is the point firing him now) he was spot on with nearly every single one of his draft picks, he tried helping Wilson by getting a QB coach and young talent around him, went out to get Rodgers when people were pressuring him to, and even went to get Adams lol
as far as "problems" go, Douglas was FAR from the biggest one
lets just call it like it is, Woody Johnson not knowing what tf he's doing, firing the head coach 5 weeks into the season at 2-3 with a chance of taking the lead in the division, nah just fire him and let an unexperienced person take control, what could go wrong LOL 1-6 since then and our defense has given up entirely, its been this way for 20+ years
easily the worst owner in the league
And in a league with Jerry Jones... worst owner is REALLY bad
Besides upper management and ownership, who else but the GM should be responsible for putting together a team with no credible backup qb option, a consistently garbage o line and hiring coaches who can't steer the considerable talent on the team to a winning situation? This is what Douglas put together in his 5 year tenure, so yes he's taking the fall for their failure bc he's as big a part of them as the people above him have been.
Woody isn't firing himself, let's get that out of the way. As much as I would love for him to go away and sell the team that likely isn't happening either.
Moving forward, I thank Douglas for hitting on a number of draft picks in skill positions but the whiffs have been as bad or worse in other areas. Likewise, many of the transactions after the fact have been brutal. I just hope we get to keep some of the bigger talent around for the next regime to build around, but that's the only potential positive moving forward.
As a Panther fan, I ask for a friend, are you sure he's the worst?
It’s funny that your opinion was that Jet fans thought JD was a genius. I think the only reason you believe that is because you mostly interacted with the most obnoxious & brain dead portion of our fanbase during the Rodgers trade. Most of us were very suspicious of JD & the coaching staff before the Rodgers trade & looked at the trade as their last chance to save their jobs.
rodgers to minnesota, gonna complete the cycle
Thank God we don't need him! JJ will take over next year barring an MVP performance from Darnold the rest of the season.
As a Pats fan at least I knew this year would suck for us, man I feel bad for the Jets fans what a wasted year
Next Rodgers is going to fire the Jets owner
No. Next question.
Get Johnny to 25k
If the Lions can do it,the jets can to.just might take 20 to 40 years
Joe Douglas is to blame. 1) missing 2 over pick Zack Wilson. 2) Joe miss understood the Jets where a Quarterback away. They only have 1 good receiver at the time. The offense line is trash. Only if the draft Penei Sewell not Zach. BYU doesn't play anyone. Same with Trey Lance.
this sounds like the Carolina Panthers
Rodgers is a wash he should be the next fired.
That's next week.
Fun fact ,Woody Johnson's middle name is Richard...(it should be)
Joe Douglas arranged swarovski crystals (good skill draft picks) on the dog turd that is the NY Jets franchise. Its enough to distract most NYers. He thought QAaron was a real gem but no...crack rock!
Joe Douglas had one good draft and was bad for the rest of his tenure.
The Jets are so irrelevant to any interesting AFC/NFL discussion that it makes me wonder the only reason they are even being discussed is because of Aaron Rodgers wasting away on arguably the worst-coached team in the NFL.
"Arguably"?
The Bears are still the biggest coaching dumpster fire. But the post-Saleh Jets are finding new lows, so they may be there soon.
No
Any owner who fires a head coach, unless josh Mcdaniels, 5 weeks into the season is not making good or smart moves.
They haven’t been able to rebuild from their own failure for fifty years. I don’t see a reason they’re gonna start now.
New Jersey Cessna's
Not with that owner
Everything I hear about how stupid Woody Johnson is makes sense imo, no wonder Trump loves this guy
Toms just scared Aaron's going to be a viking or a bear next year
Both teams drafted QBs this year. They won’t give up on those young players for a washed-up guy with loads of non-football baggage.
@@mjjoe76Only a great fool would.
Our 2024 season somehow also ended 4 snaps into the 2023 season. Also it's just a rule of life: the jets just arent allowed to be successful. The laws of physics and reality will bend and change to ensure we stay awful forever
Actually no....The Owners mostly come from already superrich families and are inherited. They don;t actually have to be good at anything at all. Most wealth at this point (625) is inherited., so yah
Woody Allen
They are done…forever.
New jersey bi planes
East Rutherford Kites.
Rogers ain’t Tom Brady.
From playoff contender to dumpster fire
Well, you gotta talk about something.
J.E.T.S. Just... Every... Thing... Sucks...
Tom does realize that Rodgers is 100% joining the Vikings next year right and will have an MVP season. History repeats itself.
Hard to believe these guys have ever watched a game of football
Kind of like believing a random commenter has too.
Can The NY Jets Rebuild From Their Own Failure?
Jets fan: No, we can't.
The fanbase is in full "BLOW IT UP AND CUT EVERYBODY" mode; better to eat a massive cap hit in '25 then have it roll over to '26. Nevermind the side effect we'll be in the Arch Manning sweepstakes, and what are the odds a Manning will dodge the Jets in the draft twice in one lifetime?
[Remember, there's a world we draft Peyton, Belichick doesn't leave, Tom Brady and the Pats never happen, and we win like 5 Super Bowls.]
The Jets are MAGA in microcosm ..... just wait, America......
so true
As a Jets fan the short answer : no
The long answer : NO