A: We need to consider using classic artillery for the land targets, as the guided missiles are too expensive per shot for what they do! B: Great, we are making a new destroyer with an artillery system. A: Sounds good, what does it shoot? B: Very expensive specially designed guided self-propelled projectiles. A: ...
500k-1 million is the round that got cancelled, the vertical gun. The current one is 70 k per, 26 mile range, gps guided, firing 10 per minute. Standard round would cost a few thousand only, but good luck aiming, particularly in bad weather, among civilians, or from behind concealment. Theoretically you could roll up and purchase the world's best vacation property in one minute for less than 1 million USD.
I'm not sure about the land - based fancy sattelite hooked rapid fire artillery system? does it shoots the same fancy rounds or just a conventional artillery rounds. There are another arguements that pro-cannons could use to dissuade over emphasis on guided missile systems... defensive gatlings like The Phalanx Systems can intercept any missiles as long as the ammo still available. Cannon shells, nah! too fast and too small to intercept with that. There are possibilities that main guns may be used in naval battles if it ever happens again. (Though the most recent surface ship VS surface ship action did happen in Eastern Europe several years ago!!!.. Soviet-era missile frigates fought against each other. i'm not sure about if such actions were entirely executed with missiles VS intercepting countermeasures or with cannons as well)
Ignored Advice Productions - Not unusual. There are only three Seawolf submarines. Other programs, such as the F-22, have been cut back significantly, while not so drastically.
Oh well, it's not like the money got deleted from existence. All that money got spent to companies and contractors and they spent it on companies and contractors and all the way down the chain. And even the presumably enormous profits get spent and invested and frittered away and pretty soon we're just describing how an economy works.
Chadrach William Sorry Exclusive Top Secret project. Bath Iron Works, Huntington & Ingalls Ship Building, Huntington Industrial, Newport News, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Northrop, Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Just a few, according to what part/section, electronics etc. Proprietary Joint Operations. Bath IW being head contractor of ship build & framework, mainly.
"hey we need a new ship that can fire its guns at land targets because missiles are too expensive" "ok sure go ahead" "Hm, shells are pretty lame though, oh I know, let's have the guns fire missiles at the land targets!" "..."
Uh . . . isn't the Navy a bit slow with the idea of a combination gun/missile armament? The Army was using the combination gun/missile on the Vietnam-era M551 Sheridan tank. 🤔
Lord Dash Donald Dappington Most destroyers, frigates, corvettes, and cruisers usually carry at least one deck gun. Battleships are your old era hammers so to speak. The Zumwalt has two 155mm deck Guns stealth conceal capable. Old fashioned artillery can be used, but it was mainly fitted for newer smart ammunition. Thus one of the high overhead budgets that conflicted the commission of the other 9 boats of 12 proposed for build/delivery.
paul larzazs When modern boats (plural), launch a missile or array of missiles your defensive counter measure for capable cruisers/destroyers is to launch a counterattack array of missiles as well. If those enemy missiles get through/get close. Your AN/SPY, X-Band, S-Band Raytheon Radar Systems and Ku-Band FLIR systems will use (these radar systems also used to target enemy missiles and vessels) the CIWIS PHALANX Gatling Gun systems for clean up for the rest. Basically your answer is YES they do, BUT it is way more complex system now as compared to Vietnam, Korea, and WWII. CIWIS is a very capable system for SUPPORT/DEFENSE role. With its radar controlled accuracy, rate of fire, and descent effective range, it can cut a plane in half while in flight, and yes, even shoot down multiple incoming aircraft, missiles and torpedoes.
When I went thru FO training in Okinawa, Navel guns were almost entirely obsolete. With GPS and laser painting of targets my job became more about being sneaky than about actual land navigation and trigonometry. It's been awhile but I can't imagine the Navy guns are as necessary with armed drones being able to take off and land on even a submarine.
I got to go on the zumwalt when it was in Port in Pearl harbor, hawaii. The ship is very cool and the bridge has a bunch of TV's with a panoramic view around the ship.
3 Billion each is a little bit ridiculous. The entire military procurement system needs to be revamped. We used to make fun of ten thousand dollar hammers and twenty thousand dollar toilet seats that the military would buy. They say that is fixed but the only thing they did was switch those overpriced items to items that sound more expensive like "flux capacitors" or "quantum discombobulators". The military industrial complex continues to scam the US taxpayers.
@@jorgensenmj we all know it's a joke, but there doesn't seem to exist any good alternatives for the time being. Private companies would try to lower costs (which may compromise capability) and adopting the Chinese model (state run firms) is really authoritarian.
Commandant Teste dude do you think America is going to waste billions to have no future come on bro commen sence dude watching to much fake videos which you don’t know nothing about go back to school you didn’t learn anything it’s going to be more powerful in the future mark my words.either you jealous or you just stupid this guy talking is not even American and don’t know nothing it’s top secret it’s not a Chinese parade dude.america makes the best our economy is growing every day.
@@marshalmontez6795 America really needs to cheapen its weapons, tanks cost millions, planes cost hundreds of millions and the warships cost billions, ships in the past costed much less
One day when they have a good projectile for their guns and have a laser for defense, maybe then it will be a great idea. Till then these ships are just white elephants.
A 16,000 ton "destroyer" with guns that have no ammo available..... this is one huge trio of boondoggles. The money wasted would have bought a LOT more Arleigh Burkes. As an old tincan sailor myself, this whole project sickens me.
I'm sure these can carry the latest rail gun already fitted to ships ...you are up to date at where they've reached yes? I didn't think so ,you wouldn't have spotted that crap if you did .....
Lance Revell amen!!! They are building larger versions of the AB destroyers for South Korea and Japan,,,, why we do not do this is beyond me. Cruisers are getting long in the tooth and need replaced, seems like a smart plan to use that platform.
It already is going into actual warships, look at the crew compliment on a Gerald R Ford class aircraft carrier versus a nimitz-class. All of that automation didn't come from nowhere
And could have been developed for a small fraction of the cost on demonstration platforms, each looking at just one or perhaps two new technologies. The Zumwalt program, like the LCS or the F-35, has been an overambitious fiasco that has ultimately weakened the deployable Navy.
@@marinecommando3445 "But the construction cost of each ship..." ...All three of them? ...Say, have you heard of this little thing called the SEAWOLF-CLASS?
5:30 fun fact after my time around this ship when I was active duty. When this ship is picked up on radar, it shows to be about the same size as a small fishing vessel.
Thats cool and all but notice the very few portals and escape hatches on the ship unless seems are hidden, i noticed that if it capsized in battle it would be worse than being in the Oklahoma at pearl harbor.
@@shable1436 Instead of designing the ship to be easy to escape from, the idea was to make it so the ship won't be sunk in the first place. And the crew is well-trained and could evacuate very quickly in any case.
This is amazing. I am a civilian. The Zumwalt looks to me like a 21st Century avatar of the 19th Century Monitor ironclad. A magnificent work of naval engineering art and science! I always wondered how Monitor did not sink in rough water, its deck was so low to the sea level. Again, I'm just a civilian, I don't understand anything here. But this ship looks to me to be a real work of art, unlike a lot of what are called "art works" by "artists" in the civilian world in 2020. Don't give up the ship!
These are wonderful ships (if one can say that about a weapon of war) but just too expensive. A "slimmer' budget model of destroyer that fits the taxpayer is now coming into place.
My best bud is in the Navy. He's a navigation officer. He said these ships are completely useless and so expensive that we don't even deploy them on big missions for fear of them being destroyed.
I saw one of these on San Diego around a year ago. I went on board of museum on the USS Midway and when were leaving the city I saw the port with a bunch of "normal" destroyers docked and on the other side this one stood out to me, very intriguing design if you ask me.
Absolutely - everybody has to have a cut, otherwise there would be competition in the tendering process and the whole project might only have transferred $10-12b of taxpayers' money to 'the complex'. Lockheed Martin got the jackpot on the F-35, GE got it on the Zumwalt class, my guess is that it'll be Boeing's turn to lead the next over-budget, under-spec fiasco.
Much of the hull desings of Stealth-Era warship projects will be that way. except that navies lost interests in armor platings of any form since the end of WW2. which the BBs are decladed obsolette.
You said it: There’s nothing Zumwalt can do that far cheaper ships can’t also do. All the new tech could have been tried in the fleet over time at far less cost. This is SNAFU on a grand scale.
It's a great team the debt farmers of wall street and the debt machine of the U.S. arms industry. A very well oiled buttfuck of ordinary Americans and the rest of the world. It's never a good time to do anything about the big nosed debt mafia.
It can’t do a damned thing it was intended for, and curtailed from 30+ to three units. Pretty sure it’s not only a failure, it’s a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars.
Colossal being the operative term - at nearly 16000 tons it has somewhere between 80% and 90% of the displacement of HMS Dreadnought (18000 tons at normal load). For a destroyer, that seems to be a little bit overweight...
@@Hannibalkakihara yeah, and that's why having BOMBERS, of all things, in SPACE no less, is severely impractical. Gun batteries using kinetic shells for short-range space warfare is still understandable, but kinetic bombs won't even properly drop downwards when you're far out in space, yet Star Wars... I don't even know why bombers exist there...
It looks more like a Bulwark from the same setting, with it's mostly featureless yet bulky exterior. static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/8e/BulwarkBattlecruiser-SWR.png/revision/latest?cb=20120613093219 media.moddb.com/cache/images/mods/1/8/7376/thumb_620x2000/Bulwark.png
Let's just say it like this. I keep a picture of the Iowa-class battleships in case i see, hear or even think about the Zumwalt-class. They're that ugly.
@@Lord_Foxy13 I agree on the HMS Vanguard and HMS Hood. It's an shame that the one never got to see WW2, and the other didnt survive it. The South Dakota's however, as fine ships as they were, is a bit ''stumpy''.That's why i like the Iowa's. They look like a grey swordfish. The Richelieu's was an unique and pretty design.
It is new, expensive, but what did it offered to US Military? Just your usual destroyer with most of the capabilities are available in Arleigh Burke classes with a stealthy config at a cost exceeding the construction of nuclear powered aircraft carrier itself which offered better deal and diversity to the military than that scrap. It have no new railguns, or lasers, or any some sort of new beneficial technology to compensate for it very expensive foundation compared to the Arleigh Burke class.
@@nogisonoko5409 If you listened to the video, I do remember it saying that they will try to get such things on later builds. How else will you figure all of this out? Innovation is expensive and if the US wishes to stay where it is on the waves, it eill be costly
@@greywind243 I did watched the video, that is why i commented here. The railgun cannon development start 2 decades ago, which eat a lot of resources and money. I know they are trying to install it anyway on later build Zumwalt class despite there is a flaw in railgun design itself, but for a "new weapon", the development took a very long time than anybody expected.
The Battleship Wisconsin served admirably in the first Gulf War. Long range guns, vertical and cluster strike missiles, immunity to land based weapons. She's in mothballs now.
The USS Cole incident already demonstrated, 20yrs ago, that all of this procurement spendkng has no answer for highly motivated, fast and decisive low tech combatants
@@lordbucketheadpolling5824 exactly. The US has a massive logistical and Technical advantage over all modern navies and non state actors, however their countermeasures, motivation, training and planning, have brought them closer to parity at a much lower cost than the billions the US spends to maintain it's navy.
@@grontelp77 Drones are taking care of the riff raff. Watch documentaries on Isis and other terrorist groups and they freely admit their fear and frustration of drones. These larger projects are obviously for potential future conventional warfare, and their very existence decreases the likelihood of large-scale warfare because of their deterrence.
one of my best friend's older brother who graduated from Vtech as an engineer helped design those ships. i remember going to baltimore's harbor to see them
@@Moon_Cricket_Stinks Several years ago on April 1, they made a video about adding tier X+ futuristic tanks in World of Tanks, we have yet to even believe if they were serious, so don't get your hopes up, and don't despair when 5 years pass by with no modern ships coming into the game. xD
@Werewolf O. London, Esq. Tell that to the Navy Seal teams that will be moving around the world in complete stealth. The mission set for this ship is perfect for special operations community which lets face it...is the focus of all of these projects.
@@vazaruspaytonas7017 One of the mission descriptions of attack submarines are Spec Op team insersions, which subs do better at on the basis of not being seen on the surface of the water when disembarking those teams. People tend to shoot at strange boats in their territorial waters..
@@IgnoredAdviceProductions You know, if they actually made this into a submarine instead of a destroyer, it'll probably do quite well. A sub that can insert Spec Op teams, but can also support said teams while keeping minimum radar presents. It can also contest the water, preventing enemy naval assets form interfering the Spec Op's unless they bring their own warship. And if the Spec Op's doesn't need help, it could simply submerge. It'll still be an overpriced ship that has WAY to many new piece of tech strapped onto it, but it'll at least fill a niche, a submarine that can provide support fire for land assets.
5:21 my home town Gosport UK (filmed from Portsmouth side of the harbour) just thought you'd all like to know ;D (Well its better than bitching about ships.)
The more automated they get the more expensive they are to build. I had a chance to tour the Zumwalt while docked in Newport, RI. Indeed automation and computer networking in every p-way.
I mean it's a revolutionary design. I think something to keep in mind is that at some point or another in history new ships coated quite a bit. Here are a few examples: 1. Introduction of steam powered ships 2. Introduction of armored ships (ironclads) 3. Introduction of submarines 4. Introduction of carriers And most naval fans will remember the dreadnought races
This is one hell of a ship you have. Yet when compared with others its suggested it wasnt really anymore capable. But lets not forget. This is a very deadly capable vessel and your efforts and expense is note worthy in your effort. Not many countrys if any can explore new ideas that go so far ahead in desighn on chance and its still a deadly vessel. Certainly not a failure by any means.
When it arrived in SD back in 2017, it was towed in because it broke just miles from port. I stood there on the pier thinking why is that ship being towed in from a much further distance from any other small boy (small ship). Had the privilege to walk on board. Very nice inside.
@@Alecxace F-35 is progressing rather well after *that clusterf&k of a dev. phase.* Many of the problems the press are highlighting are out of date or out of context. And as you say this ship is a travesty
Horizon Great video man... Also, I know this is an odd video suggestion, but do you think the USA is being too greedy with its military designs and generally overbuilding what should be simple things? I have noticed it often that later US military vehicles like the Sargent York and even the more recent tanks designs have a hard time advancing forward in design without extereme cost and labour...just and Idea and again love your vids!
Named after Admiral Elmo Russell Zumwalt Jr. he served 19th Chief of Naval Operations. This was during the Vietnam War. Highly decorated during his 32 year history of Naval Service. The Zumwalt Class Battleships we’re named in honor of him. Twelve boats we’re supposed to be commissioned/built, but the Navy, Department of Defense, and other Over Site Committees, only commissioned three boats. Navy numbered these designations as “DDG’s”. DDG1000, DDG1001, with the completion of DDG1002 should be ready for delivery around 2021. I hope they pick back up Tab and build the rest of them. It’s still a good read or for viewing on You Tube. Either way, I hope this helped, and have a good one.
Iowas armor metallurgy is out dated it cannot withstand guided armor piercing missles. This is not to say the iowas armor is bad it's blend make up is made to withstand gun shells and torpedoes not thermite cored armor melting missles.
The full automation makes me concerned of EMP attacks. Hopefully they have good protections for it. This ship seems like a peace time advancement of a bunch of technologies. As in it's going to be costly and have a lot of issues, but the ground it broke will usher in a new era of ships if a new major conflict breaks out.
@@Link-yp2ki yeah, that's pretty spooky, tbh it's already possible with current drones and cruise missiles (they can already use AI to acquire and identify targets, still require a human to decide to strike) There was talk of a non proliferation style treaty but that fell through from USA and China.
Well, if they manage to make a rail gun that doesn't need a barrel replacement after a single engagement (and maybe fires bigger slugs to deal proper amounts of damage on hulls), a battleship could be replaced in its use as a tool of naval superiority along with the very obvious carriers. A weird thing is I don't know how useful it is to have the signature of a civilian boat if the enemy already knows it's the Zumwalt having it, specially if they can confirm that doubt trough satellite imaging or aerial reconaissance (if a thing with the signature of a small fishing vessel fires at your jet with a missile, you know it's not a small fishing vessel).
2:05 That sure sounds like the Bradley fighting vehicle, for anyoneone who don't know, search for "West Wing - bradley fighting vehicle" to see how this sometimes (doesn't) work.
Cybertruck: "Daddy?"
Zumwalt: "Son?"
Exalaxy X 🤣🤣🤣🤣哈哈哈哈哈哈
Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus: ”Grandchild?”
Zumwalt: "Cybertruck... I'm your father!"
Cybertruck: "NOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo........................."
Grandson?? xd
@@tacticalaf3877 hahhahahahhahahah lol
A: We need to consider using classic artillery for the land targets, as the guided missiles are too expensive per shot for what they do!
B: Great, we are making a new destroyer with an artillery system.
A: Sounds good, what does it shoot?
B: Very expensive specially designed guided self-propelled projectiles.
A: ...
Sergey Sapozhnikov
EXACTLY.
How easy they can fool the taxpayer of united states !
Kinda silly looking,
500k-1 million is the round that got cancelled, the vertical gun. The current one is 70 k per, 26 mile range, gps guided, firing 10 per minute.
Standard round would cost a few thousand only, but good luck aiming, particularly in bad weather, among civilians, or from behind concealment.
Theoretically you could roll up and purchase the world's best vacation property in one minute for less than 1 million USD.
I'm not sure about the land - based fancy sattelite hooked rapid fire artillery system? does it shoots the same fancy rounds or just a conventional artillery rounds.
There are another arguements that pro-cannons could use to dissuade over emphasis on guided missile systems... defensive gatlings like The Phalanx Systems can intercept any missiles as long as the ammo still available. Cannon shells, nah! too fast and too small to intercept with that. There are possibilities that main guns may be used in naval battles if it ever happens again. (Though the most recent surface ship VS surface ship action did happen in Eastern Europe several years ago!!!.. Soviet-era missile frigates fought against each other. i'm not sure about if such actions were entirely executed with missiles VS intercepting countermeasures or with cannons as well)
have we run out of money ,, I thought that was the Russians problem …
Navy: We need a new ship
Historian: Remember Ironclads?
Navy: Say No more
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This is actually ..... tin foild un-cladded
Civilisation V fans can relate 😂
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I don't know why but I prefere the battleships even when I have cruicers which are better xD
Original order: 32 ships
Actually entered service: 3 ships
I think that ought to clear things up
Ive seen 5 of them in person
So they can have one in drydock,
one being re-equipped and crew getting trained.
And one actually at sea.
Ignored Advice Productions - Not unusual. There are only three Seawolf submarines. Other programs, such as the F-22, have been cut back significantly, while not so drastically.
@@GH-oi2jf The Virginia is a cheaper version of the Seawolf that will replace the Los Angeles class subs going out of service. Bad example mate.
A mean to replace BB? and no ChobAm armor at all??
One thing I like about BB is that it has armor, and upgradeable.
They literally spent the equivalent of all of North Korea’s gdp on these
Joe Blow The gdp of Birmingham is 10 billion approximately. The nominal gdp of North Korea is approximately 30 billion.
Oh well, it's not like the money got deleted from existence. All that money got spent to companies and contractors and they spent it on companies and contractors and all the way down the chain. And even the presumably enormous profits get spent and invested and frittered away and pretty soon we're just describing how an economy works.
It would make a good naval spearhead for our Atlantic-Pacific Theaters and Non Blue Water coastal patrols in those areas.
Most of the ship was probably made in Korea, then shipped to a US facility for assembly. Korea has a very substantial dock yard.
Chadrach William Sorry Exclusive Top Secret project. Bath Iron Works, Huntington & Ingalls Ship Building, Huntington Industrial, Newport News, General Dynamics, Raytheon, Northrop, Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Just a few, according to what part/section, electronics etc. Proprietary Joint Operations. Bath IW being head contractor of ship build & framework, mainly.
They should have brought Tesla on board and called it the Cyberboat.
Tom Theilig hahaha
I was thinking, is this where Tesla got the design idea for the Cybertruck?
Yes! Maybe Elon saw one of these and got inspiration for his truck.
Tesla died a long time ago:( the guy your thinking of is just a business prick that linked himself to a genius to sell batteries.
Lol
_When the ship is out of HD render distance_
Is that a cybertruck joke?
@@rocker10039 yes
So good.
Sebastian?!
XD
5:17 "It is stealth"
5:25 Creepily appears from behind a hill
Geo Net stealth in ships about bvr (s-s) or (a-g) radars. Visual detection doesn’t matter in this case)
@@Boomshakalaga Its a joke.
ELZ _06 oh well I started to see kinda low iq jokes lately about stealth stuff i mean the joke should have some real thing in it don’t you think ?
@@Boomshakalaga I mean your IQ would have to be pretty low to miss the obvious joke.
@@elz_0682 well ı get the joke but ı havent laughed like you did it's because probably your ıq smaller than your shoe size mate
"hey we need a new ship that can fire its guns at land targets because missiles are too expensive"
"ok sure go ahead"
"Hm, shells are pretty lame though, oh I know, let's have the guns fire missiles at the land targets!"
"..."
Uh . . . isn't the Navy a bit slow with the idea of a combination gun/missile armament? The Army was using the combination gun/missile on the Vietnam-era M551 Sheridan tank. 🤔
Lmao reminds me of this ruclips.net/video/aXQ2lO3ieBA/видео.html
Lord Dash Donald Dappington Most destroyers, frigates, corvettes, and cruisers usually carry at least one deck gun. Battleships are your old era hammers so to speak. The Zumwalt has two 155mm deck Guns stealth conceal capable. Old fashioned artillery can be used, but it was mainly fitted for newer smart ammunition. Thus one of the high overhead budgets that conflicted the commission of the other 9 boats of 12 proposed for build/delivery.
paul larzazs When modern boats (plural), launch a missile or array of missiles your defensive counter measure for capable cruisers/destroyers is to launch a counterattack array of missiles as well. If those enemy missiles get through/get close. Your AN/SPY, X-Band, S-Band Raytheon Radar Systems and Ku-Band FLIR systems will use (these radar systems also used to target enemy missiles and vessels) the CIWIS PHALANX Gatling Gun systems for clean up for the rest. Basically your answer is YES they do, BUT it is way more complex system now as compared to Vietnam, Korea, and WWII. CIWIS is a very capable system for SUPPORT/DEFENSE role. With its radar controlled accuracy, rate of fire, and descent effective range, it can cut a plane in half while in flight, and yes, even shoot down multiple incoming aircraft, missiles and torpedoes.
When I went thru FO training in Okinawa, Navel guns were almost entirely obsolete. With GPS and laser painting of targets my job became more about being sneaky than about actual land navigation and trigonometry. It's been awhile but I can't imagine the Navy guns are as necessary with armed drones being able to take off and land on even a submarine.
I got to go on the zumwalt when it was in Port in Pearl harbor, hawaii. The ship is very cool and the bridge has a bunch of TV's with a panoramic view around the ship.
WOW!
When the destroyer from the future has no future
3 Billion each is a little bit ridiculous.
The entire military procurement system needs to be revamped.
We used to make fun of ten thousand dollar hammers and twenty thousand dollar toilet seats that the military would buy. They say that is fixed but the only thing they did was switch those overpriced items to items that sound more expensive like "flux capacitors" or "quantum discombobulators". The military industrial complex continues to scam the US taxpayers.
@@jorgensenmj we all know it's a joke, but there doesn't seem to exist any good alternatives for the time being. Private companies would try to lower costs (which may compromise capability) and adopting the Chinese model (state run firms) is really authoritarian.
Commandant Teste dude do you think America is going to waste billions to have no future come on bro commen sence dude watching to much fake videos which you don’t know nothing about go back to school you didn’t learn anything it’s going to be more powerful in the future mark my words.either you jealous or you just stupid this guy talking is not even American and don’t know nothing it’s top secret it’s not a Chinese parade dude.america makes the best our economy is growing every day.
@@marshalmontez6795 America really needs to cheapen its weapons, tanks cost millions, planes cost hundreds of millions and the warships cost billions, ships in the past costed much less
Hugo Huang yes I agree 👍
No railguns, no lazers. Just a floating lab with new computers
Frank Galeon Floating smoothing-iron)
Relax, those will come later. It's not the ship's fault that the railgun and laser projects are taking longer to develop.
Not quite comparable to the Monitor as this isn't needed to stop the Virginia. But if one thinks about it, there is a resemblance.
They said there is room for adding weapon systems later :)
Well, the paradigm shift has to take place and the shift will be costly and time consuming but will make the usn the top dog again
One day when they have a good projectile for their guns and have a laser for defense, maybe then it will be a great idea. Till then these ships are just white elephants.
They got castrated when the geniuses canceled their main gun armament. After this point it did not matter what was done, it was a failure.
A 16,000 ton "destroyer" with guns that have no ammo available..... this is one huge trio of boondoggles. The money wasted would have bought a LOT more Arleigh Burkes. As an old tincan sailor myself, this whole project sickens me.
I'm sure these can carry the latest rail gun already fitted to ships ...you are up to date at where they've reached yes? I didn't think so ,you wouldn't have spotted that crap if you did .....
Lance Revell amen!!! They are building larger versions of the AB destroyers for South Korea and Japan,,,, why we do not do this is beyond me. Cruisers are getting long in the tooth and need replaced, seems like a smart plan to use that platform.
w8stral they are getting lasers soon so that’s pretty cool
"I have to defeat the final boss, it can't be that hard right?"
the final boss: 7:00
Me: the boat on the bottom left "nope, nope, nope"
😂
@I know I sound stupid when I say this but nice username
Wait...
Fk that, as soon as you see it, run!
"Spending $22 Billion on three boats is crazy" that sums up the whole video. 😂
Richard Bachman lol and Sweden’s visby class is better and cheaper
Ishizaky1 ?
Ishizaky1 it was 2 weeks ago and my comment is true
Hell that's nothing we spent over $ 13 billion on the Ford ,
Money washing. They took half and said that is price. What you can do. This is legal racketeering thair own people.
Ah, I see that the Tarkin Doctrine is already in motion
The Rainman here said what I was going to say. I see both of you are men culture.
I see everyone here is a man of culture
At least the Zumwalt does not have a thermal exhaust port that can be exploited by a small snub fighter.
If we follow the Tarkin Doctrine, maybe we’ll return to battleships in the near future
Yay star wars!!!
This ship looks like a new old model of navy ships from the American revolution
Maybe you mean the civil war monitor ships?
She looks like CSS Virginia sisterships
Ironclad ships
The front end always reminds me of the uss Olympia personally.
Is the captain Farragut?
The R and D that went onto it will be useful for an actual warship
It already is going into actual warships, look at the crew compliment on a Gerald R Ford class aircraft carrier versus a nimitz-class. All of that automation didn't come from nowhere
And could have been developed for a small fraction of the cost on demonstration platforms, each looking at just one or perhaps two new technologies. The Zumwalt program, like the LCS or the F-35, has been an overambitious fiasco that has ultimately weakened the deployable Navy.
But the construction cost of each ship without R/D is 4b$ its a disaster.
@@marinecommando3445
"But the construction cost of each ship..."
...All three of them?
...Say, have you heard of this little thing called the SEAWOLF-CLASS?
@@matchesburn lol seawolf reference you sure are making enemies in pentagon by refering that boondoggle
5:30 fun fact after my time around this ship when I was active duty. When this ship is picked up on radar, it shows to be about the same size as a small fishing vessel.
So that's what they mean by stealth. Those crazy angles work similarly to the F-117 Nighthawk, nice. Thank you for your service.
That’s fucking sick. Thanks for the info
Thats cool and all but notice the very few portals and escape hatches on the ship unless seems are hidden, i noticed that if it capsized in battle it would be worse than being in the Oklahoma at pearl harbor.
Shablé u are comparing a ship that used over 1,300 people to operate versus a ship that uses 175 at maximum.
@@shable1436 Instead of designing the ship to be easy to escape from, the idea was to make it so the ship won't be sunk in the first place. And the crew is well-trained and could evacuate very quickly in any case.
This is amazing. I am a civilian. The Zumwalt looks to me like a 21st Century avatar of the 19th Century Monitor ironclad. A magnificent work of naval engineering art and science! I always wondered how Monitor did not sink in rough water, its deck was so low to the sea level. Again, I'm just a civilian, I don't understand anything here. But this ship looks to me to be a real work of art, unlike a lot of what are called "art works" by "artists" in the civilian world in 2020. Don't give up the ship!
These are wonderful ships (if one can say that about a weapon of war) but just too expensive. A "slimmer' budget model of destroyer that fits the taxpayer is now coming into place.
My best bud is in the Navy. He's a navigation officer. He said these ships are completely useless and so expensive that we don't even deploy them on big missions for fear of them being destroyed.
Risk of being destroyed?
When was the last time the US Navy actually sunk an enemy warship again?
I thought their assigned role is on front together with attack submarines, but as a bigger target
@@Damo2690 since Iran I guess
@@Damo2690 dumbfck who doesn't read huh
They are modern day BB’s to expensive and rare to waste for if one is lost the admiralty would loose there heads
Now I see what inspired Tesla designers when they were designing the Cybertruck 👌🏾 😂
Lineage of CyberTruck discovered: XB-70, F-117, and Zumwalt
@Jean-Ian Simard
"Did you expect that many orders?"
Elon : "No. Not really."
Jean-Ian Simard let’s see model s x 3 y all fine cybertruck working vehicle Elon’s daily driver well y is not doing great but when have they failed?
Luci fer let’s see Tesla the biggest electric car company has multiple successful vehicle and more coming
Gabriel Gingras the cybertruck truck has I believe the most preorders ever in Tesla
It's weird how that hot chick knew I was looking at her 2:03
that lady was super hawt
I noticed that too!
She definitely did that move on purpose.
Camera man💯Dam good shot.
Hahaha she had a right cheeky little look!
I saw one of these on San Diego around a year ago. I went on board of museum on the USS Midway and when were leaving the city I saw the port with a bunch of "normal" destroyers docked and on the other side this one stood out to me, very intriguing design if you ask me.
The ship so smooth, the sunlight reflection is its main way of attacking
2:01 omg! Im in love with that smile :)
I was looking for this comment
Russian girls be like 😂
Smile of the gold digger
Simp
@@laos85 More like the smile of the high ranking officer's daughter who's about to ruin your career if you approach her. NEVER take the bait.....
The list of contractors - General Electric, Raytheon etc .... explains everything.
Cant dis Raytheon, they made the arleigh burke radar and parts of the phalanx
Absolutely - everybody has to have a cut, otherwise there would be competition in the tendering process and the whole project might only have transferred $10-12b of taxpayers' money to 'the complex'. Lockheed Martin got the jackpot on the F-35, GE got it on the Zumwalt class, my guess is that it'll be Boeing's turn to lead the next over-budget, under-spec fiasco.
Yeah well, having your spokesperson wear a fucking polo for the conference is telling A LOT.
Surprising they pick companies with the technical ability to build the damn things.
Looks like one of the old Iron Clads.
Right, I'm remember old Iron Sides, you reminded me of elementary school homework in the 80's.😂👍🏿
Much of the hull desings of Stealth-Era warship projects will be that way. except that navies lost interests in armor platings of any form since the end of WW2. which the BBs are decladed obsolette.
Navy: We need a new ship design but we only got 5 bucks.
Designer: I got u
You said it: There’s nothing Zumwalt can do that far cheaper ships can’t also do. All the new tech could have been tried in the fleet over time at far less cost. This is SNAFU on a grand scale.
2:03 she saw a big battleship
At least a big gun
She saw an 18 incher
Bleak Midwinter 20
"Watcho doing stepbro?"
Was looking for this comment 😂
“The Zumwalt was born in agony...” 😂😂
That's funny my last names zumwalt and I was born in agony to
With so many sharp edges, I can easily imagine that.
"Beware the military industrial complex." Dwight D. Eisenhour
It's a great team the debt farmers of wall street and the debt machine of the U.S. arms industry. A very well oiled buttfuck of ordinary Americans and the rest of the world. It's never a good time to do anything about the big nosed debt mafia.
We probably could have gone to the moon with the money spent on these 3 ships
Omg do u know how bad wars at for climate change
*laughs in Medicare and social security budget*
Junk Food Man Channel ok boomer
Reminds me of old ironclad warships. Really has a way of coming full circle doesn't it?
Now that you said it I can't unsee it, lol
@@ringo1692 I wonder if they can submerge
I'm ex-US Navy. This is an awesome channel for those interested in current naval warfare technology and development. Thank you!
Horizon is amazing
i like that envisioned trinket he threw in there at 2:01
This boat clearly inspires Tesla's cybertruck design the most
This looks way better somehow...
It can’t do a damned thing it was intended for, and curtailed from 30+ to three units. Pretty sure it’s not only a failure, it’s a colossal waste of taxpayer dollars.
It did exactly what it was meant to do. Military procurement is less about defense and more about contracts.
Colossal being the operative term - at nearly 16000 tons it has somewhere between 80% and 90% of the displacement of HMS Dreadnought (18000 tons at normal load). For a destroyer, that seems to be a little bit overweight...
So is the entire US military spending
@@esics8123 EXACTLY. Make some people rich, get other people re-elected.
Load it with its intended munition and the price rises with one billion per ship (plus research)
Is it just me or does this look more like a star destroyer instead of a earth like destroyer
Yea it does. Also star wars was mostly inspired by nazi germany and wwii naval warfare. The imperial navy functions and fights like wwii navy ships
@@Hannibalkakihara yeah, and that's why having BOMBERS, of all things, in SPACE no less, is severely impractical. Gun batteries using kinetic shells for short-range space warfare is still understandable, but kinetic bombs won't even properly drop downwards when you're far out in space, yet Star Wars... I don't even know why bombers exist there...
It looks more like a Bulwark from the same setting, with it's mostly featureless yet bulky exterior. static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/8e/BulwarkBattlecruiser-SWR.png/revision/latest?cb=20120613093219
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2:05 she s looking at me i can feel it !
OKAY
i was especificley looking for this comentary
@@kaposcrew2507 1.5 m views bcs of her and she does not even know that
@@Hijackerrr compared to the 7 billion people in the world that is not too much
the bird to the left is fitter
2:03 was the best part of the video. Wonder where she is today.
Who is she?
@@wothin a hottie
She got married to an influential older man and she cheated his ass for a younger man.
@@gulpkraps9821 source?
Wow I felt like I was flirting with her before we took our seats 😂
Engineer: Sooo what will it look like??
Military: Make it play dead
everyone in the comments: "cyber something"
me: 2:03
角度刁钻
Never have I heard someone troll a warship so hard within the facet of a documentary so hard!! LOL
Always wondered what happened to Dr Zoidberg, good to see he's getting work as a RUclips voice over artist.
Let's just say it like this. I keep a picture of the Iowa-class battleships in case i see, hear or even think about the Zumwalt-class. They're that ugly.
I never liked the look of the Iowa's, the South Dakota's, KGV's, Vanguard, Richlieu's and HMS Hood are more my taste
Lucky for me I would suppose because the Iowa is a museum 30 minutes away from me🥰🥰
yes yes because wars are only won by pretty things. That being said I love the Iowas, I like the look of this boat though it is different.
@@Lord_Foxy13 I agree on the HMS Vanguard and HMS Hood. It's an shame that the one never got to see WW2, and the other didnt survive it. The South Dakota's however, as fine ships as they were, is a bit ''stumpy''.That's why i like the Iowa's. They look like a grey swordfish. The Richelieu's was an unique and pretty design.
@@julitzgaming3172 You're a lucky man. I am separated by an ocean and thousands of miles from them.
The mentality of every media outlet, critic, "experts" etc. is this: Something that is completely new, and of course is expensive; iS iT a FaLiUrE??
😲😲😲😲😲😲 what happened to all the proposed capabilities at TAX Payers expens? Agree with you.
Yes they are always doubting us
It is new, expensive, but what did it offered to US Military? Just your usual destroyer with most of the capabilities are available in Arleigh Burke classes with a stealthy config at a cost exceeding the construction of nuclear powered aircraft carrier itself which offered better deal and diversity to the military than that scrap.
It have no new railguns, or lasers, or any some sort of new beneficial technology to compensate for it very expensive foundation compared to the Arleigh Burke class.
@@nogisonoko5409 If you listened to the video, I do remember it saying that they will try to get such things on later builds. How else will you figure all of this out? Innovation is expensive and if the US wishes to stay where it is on the waves, it eill be costly
@@greywind243
I did watched the video, that is why i commented here. The railgun cannon development start 2 decades ago, which eat a lot of resources and money. I know they are trying to install it anyway on later build Zumwalt class despite there is a flaw in railgun design itself, but for a "new weapon", the development took a very long time than anybody expected.
3:34 Wow thats a huge difference going from 3.5 billion each to 20 billion total project / 3 ships built = 6.66 billion each
R&D is usually more than the end products
Thats crazy money for 3 ships! CRAZY!
The Battleship Wisconsin served admirably in the first Gulf War. Long range guns, vertical and cluster strike missiles, immunity to land based weapons. She's in mothballs now.
Palpatine: What is this? I ordered a Imperial Class, not a Zumwalt Class
You tried.
The USS Cole incident already demonstrated, 20yrs ago, that all of this procurement spendkng has no answer for highly motivated, fast and decisive low tech combatants
@MYREALNAME it’s about how you use what you have got, Japan and viet kong we’re best examples and others probably
@@lordbucketheadpolling5824 exactly. The US has a massive logistical and Technical advantage over all modern navies and non state actors, however their countermeasures, motivation, training and planning, have brought them closer to parity at a much lower cost than the billions the US spends to maintain it's navy.
@@grontelp77 Drones are taking care of the riff raff. Watch documentaries on Isis and other terrorist groups and they freely admit their fear and frustration of drones. These larger projects are obviously for potential future conventional warfare, and their very existence decreases the likelihood of large-scale warfare because of their deterrence.
So we are just going to ignore the girl at 2:02
😂😂😂
No, we can't !
Dude for real god damn
2:04
*hehe
no way
one of my best friend's older brother who graduated from Vtech as an engineer helped design those ships. i remember going to baltimore's harbor to see them
A DD with no torpedoes, really War Gaming?
Always showing Russian bias
image if War Gaming created an independent game with cold war/modern era ships. That'd be pretty fun i think
@@kevingosselin2277 theyre already rumored to be adding missile based ships. It would raise t10 to higher tier games.
@@Moon_Cricket_Stinks Several years ago on April 1, they made a video about adding tier X+ futuristic tanks in World of Tanks, we have yet to even believe if they were serious, so don't get your hopes up, and don't despair when 5 years pass by with no modern ships coming into the game. xD
"The Zumwalt was born in agony."
Hah, that's a good way to put it.
They mean DD21....oh wait, that was the name in 1999....when the torturous trial began.
I'd love to see video of it in rough seas... If it ever happens. I'm sure it won't, but the bow looks like it would dive into a large swell.
If it's so stealthy, then how come I can still see it hmmm?
Because they allowed you too
Try looking at it from 5 kilometers
50 years from now this is going to be one of those blips in history that people will look back on.
This ship is amazing.. looks like a space ship sitting on the waves
"The ship that broke the Navy's bank account" should be the title of this video
I didn't know the Tesla Cybertruck was so seaworthy
This is before the Tesla
When the first ship is too expensive but you're in too deep so you make 2 more so know one says they told you so.
I saw one of these when I was visiting San Diego last year. It was just sitting there. Inside the port.
What did you expect it to do, dance and sing a song for you?
Mad PhantomPixels the idea clearly went flying past your head
Skull Man he got you dude just give up
M V it was just kewl to see one cuz there’s only like 7 of them in the world so...
40% of comments are cyber memes
50% are 2:02
10% is everything else
I'm all for 2:02, definitely.
Hell yeah... Who the hell is that? lol.
@@jhyland87 She is Samantha Kirk, the Captain's eldest daughter. See my comments elsewhere.
I thought I was the 10%. I was too naive.
People laughed at the Submarine just before their ship sank...
@Werewolf O. London, Esq. Tell that to the Navy Seal teams that will be moving around the world in complete stealth. The mission set for this ship is perfect for special operations community which lets face it...is the focus of all of these projects.
@@vazaruspaytonas7017 One of the mission descriptions of attack submarines are Spec Op team insersions, which subs do better at on the basis of not being seen on the surface of the water when disembarking those teams. People tend to shoot at strange boats in their territorial waters..
@@IgnoredAdviceProductions You know, if they actually made this into a submarine instead of a destroyer, it'll probably do quite well. A sub that can insert Spec Op teams, but can also support said teams while keeping minimum radar presents. It can also contest the water, preventing enemy naval assets form interfering the Spec Op's unless they bring their own warship. And if the Spec Op's doesn't need help, it could simply submerge. It'll still be an overpriced ship that has WAY to many new piece of tech strapped onto it, but it'll at least fill a niche, a submarine that can provide support fire for land assets.
@@daddysempaichan The last time anyone put any significant artillery on a submarine, it disappeared somewhere near Colon.
@Werewolf O. London, Esq. A Battle-Carrier could be built with the same costs,
but what's the point? Three Zumwalts are USN test labs.
I'm glad we have these three ships instead of lead-free water.
5:21 my home town Gosport UK (filmed from Portsmouth side of the harbour) just thought you'd all like to know ;D (Well its better than bitching about ships.)
The more automated they get the more expensive they are to build. I had a chance to tour the Zumwalt while docked in Newport, RI. Indeed automation and computer networking in every p-way.
I mean it's a revolutionary design. I think something to keep in mind is that at some point or another in history new ships coated quite a bit. Here are a few examples:
1. Introduction of steam powered ships
2. Introduction of armored ships (ironclads)
3. Introduction of submarines
4. Introduction of carriers
And most naval fans will remember the dreadnought races
Here come the 5 star admirals of the RUclips comment sections
As someone who plays From The Depths, that isn't enough guns
Looks like everyones being inspired by 8-bit designs lately. Must be a nostalgic fad.
Elon Musk was inspired by seventies Volvos 🤣
Grand money laundering....!!!
This is one hell of a ship you have. Yet when compared with others its suggested it wasnt really anymore capable. But lets not forget. This is a very deadly capable vessel and your efforts and expense is note worthy in your effort. Not many countrys if any can explore new ideas that go so far ahead in desighn on chance and its still a deadly vessel. Certainly not a failure by any means.
When it arrived in SD back in 2017, it was towed in because it broke just miles from port. I stood there on the pier thinking why is that ship being towed in from a much further distance from any other small boy (small ship). Had the privilege to walk on board. Very nice inside.
I’m pretty sure this is the f35s cousin
but this one actually ended as a pile of shit. The F-35 is still struggling
@@Alecxace F-35 is progressing rather well after *that clusterf&k of a dev. phase.* Many of the problems the press are highlighting are out of date or out of context.
And as you say this ship is a travesty
2:03 hey... how you doin? 😏
Joey tribiani lmao
Do you think the Zumwalt Class is a good looking ship or absolutely ugly?
It is very unusual. But, in the future, I think they all will look like this
Gorgeous ship
She's not pretty, but she's tough
Horizon
Great video man...
Also, I know this is an odd video suggestion, but do you think the USA is being too greedy with its military designs and generally overbuilding what should be simple things?
I have noticed it often that later US military vehicles like the Sargent York and even the more recent tanks designs have a hard time advancing forward in design without extereme cost and labour...just and Idea and again love your vids!
Super Cool Awesome!
When your boss requested you to design the ship after the 1st day you studied Solidworks. Few commands you can use is: Extrude, and Extrude cut. LOL
It is such a cool destroyer !!!! Beautiful !! 👍👍
"Zumwalt" sounds German. (Iam Native German Speaker, so in German it actually sounds German to a German.)
Named after Admiral Elmo Russell Zumwalt Jr. he served 19th Chief of Naval Operations. This was during the Vietnam War. Highly decorated during his 32 year history of Naval Service. The Zumwalt Class Battleships we’re named in honor of him. Twelve boats we’re supposed to be commissioned/built, but the Navy, Department of Defense, and other Over Site Committees, only commissioned three boats. Navy numbered these designations as “DDG’s”.
DDG1000, DDG1001, with the completion of DDG1002 should be ready for delivery around 2021. I hope they pick back up Tab and build the rest of them. It’s still a good read or for viewing on You Tube. Either way, I hope this helped, and have a good one.
Because it sounds similar to "zum Wald"
Nothing German about it lol
I agree
I also would assume a German history of Zuwalt family.
12:01 - General Data? Is that a promotion from Lt. Commander?
LoL
Look at that girl at 2:03 flirting with the camera man
Or just the camera, noting the number of commenters that have pointed it out.
I love this channel for the slightly fractured English commentary.
I remember seeing one of these (I think) Being built at the Bath Ironworks during a tour.
Personally, I'd rather have a heavily modernized & retrofitted Iowa class.
particularly with recent advances in hypersonic artillery.
Iowas armor metallurgy is out dated it cannot withstand guided armor piercing missles. This is not to say the iowas armor is bad it's blend make up is made to withstand gun shells and torpedoes not thermite cored armor melting missles.
@@joshuamcpeek4708 I think the work crews who had to drill/weld the armor on them to retrofit phalanx & missile bays might disagree.
@@joshuamcpeek4708 did you miss the part where he said "heavily modernised..."
2:03 Did she just looked at me 🤔😂
The full automation makes me concerned of EMP attacks. Hopefully they have good protections for it. This ship seems like a peace time advancement of a bunch of technologies. As in it's going to be costly and have a lot of issues, but the ground it broke will usher in a new era of ships if a new major conflict breaks out.
All large assets are EMP protected with Faraday cages, even things like the f35.
I'm more concerned with the prospect of a computer controlling huge weapons with "minimal human intervention."
@@Link-yp2ki yeah, that's pretty spooky, tbh it's already possible with current drones and cruise missiles (they can already use AI to acquire and identify targets, still require a human to decide to strike) There was talk of a non proliferation style treaty but that fell through from USA and China.
@@WeatherManToBe Iran once caught US drone by hacking and successfully landed
Awesome machine!
I've seen it enter on of the San Diego naval ports before it's pretty cool to look at
From the future? She looks more like the CSS Virginia from the past to me.
Blast from the past!
And probably less significant historically XD
@@IgnoredAdviceProductions eh, at least CSS Virginia participated in the first Ironclads battle in American history. That's significant enough.
@@hanselsihotang That's what I'm saying, the Zulmwalt's going to do absolutely nothing other than be a sad footnote
I had that same thought - it's ironic!
My instinctive male brain had to double-take with the lady at 2:03
Which one? There's 3!
Tell you don't mean the curly haired blonde!
Chelsea Clinton....😡 please no!
the first, maybe...👌
A welfare project for the military industrial complex
Caused by shipping industries to the rest of the world as there is almost no civilian shipping industry to base the design from and knowledge of.
If it works it is kept, if it doesn't it will be forgotten, and that's the thing about future technology that no one understands, or forgotten about.
Hay dood, the hull is on up-side-down.
02:04 Well hello There!
Comment section:
- Ship version of Tesla Cyber truck
- Hot lady at 2:03
- No way the Zumwalt replaces battleships
Well, if they manage to make a rail gun that doesn't need a barrel replacement after a single engagement (and maybe fires bigger slugs to deal proper amounts of damage on hulls), a battleship could be replaced in its use as a tool of naval superiority along with the very obvious carriers. A weird thing is I don't know how useful it is to have the signature of a civilian boat if the enemy already knows it's the Zumwalt having it, specially if they can confirm that doubt trough satellite imaging or aerial reconaissance (if a thing with the signature of a small fishing vessel fires at your jet with a missile, you know it's not a small fishing vessel).
So where are they now?
So where are they now?
R - The battleships are gone. They were obsolete at the end of WWII, but President Reagan didn’t know it.
2:05 That sure sounds like the Bradley fighting vehicle, for anyoneone who don't know, search for "West Wing - bradley fighting vehicle" to see how this sometimes (doesn't) work.
Pentagon wars is another thing to watch if you want to know about the screw up that is the Bradley
I think it's a beautiful ship! Perhaps the three sisters will get their armament that was meant for them, and maybe more!
This class of ship is so cool and I wish 32 of them were built but that would have cost a fortune
The 2 they built were a total waste of money
Thank god you're not in charge of military procurement