“Even if it’s false, people believe in God because it makes them feel good, and why not?” - this sounds like something an atheist would say! Crucially, a person who acts like God exists is not a theist, but an atheist, since despite their desires and actions, they still don’t truly believe in God’s existence.
I agree with you on principle, but I will say that no, you absolutely can control what you believe. Technically speaking, you can’t “control” what you believe, but by that standard, you cannot control who you are or any choice you make. If we’re talking about the will you have when choosing which donut to buy, then yes, you absolutely can choose what you believe. People constantly look at every fact against what they believe, and decide “I am going to give my gut feeling undue amounts of trust.” Humans are built to want to be able to trust themselves, and when they are proven logically wrong, they can decide to fall back on the idea that their instincts are so compelling that surely, they must be from a god. You convince yourself that it is true simply by repeating it over and over. And that’s a choice, as much as anything else a human can choose.
@@starRushi If you find a community where you feel valued, and that community has counterfactual beliefs, loyalty to the group may take precedence over whether their beliefs are true. This is underscored by cutting yourself off from opposing ideas from "outsiders" which are interpreted as attacks on the group and your identity. In this way, you can come to believe something false, that you knew to be false at the outset. You can actively participate in your own path to delusion.
Atheist are already delusional. They make up morals and meanings even though they know atheism is nihilistic and there is no meaning. it's all delusion.
You need the context of the conversation, he was using his subjective moral framework of Pleasure and Pain to justify religious belief as being net position and therefore the default stance in his own view point (he was basically trying to show him that regardless of logical framework you use, belief in God is always the correct way to live your life as a human being)...
@@bigbowss9817 I mean, in my view that just makes what he's saying even worse. He's trying to justify his complicated religious views by comparing them directly to the not nearly as complicated "default" state people have morally. It just doesn't work as a comparison as Alex rightly pointed out
also the fact that it's unclear where the happiness of theists is derived from, and theists being different fundamentally on some things from atheists might not be happy for the dame reasons
Actually it does make you feel better, but thats the start of a whole new problem cos if u believe one thing just to cover ur fear of reality then u will keep doing this belief shit everywhere. That's a recipe for ur own disaster. You become susceptible to being fooled easily.
Believing my partner is satisfied every time we make love and has already orgasmed by the time I have, certainly makes ME happy.... Not to mention believing she is there, is a supermodel, or even exists, makes me positively ecstatic... even if I do have to use more lube.
Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free * It those not required any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him. * Once you are alone is only Him you have. * So if you feel sick. * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately does. * once you get older you will have him * Or before to die. * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning). * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life give you more hope and let you think about your future future... Just as you think for tomorrow. And basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in te world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a ealthy society we want live materiliscally, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺️
@@crazydragy4233 Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free * It those not required any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him. * Once you are alone is only Him you have. * So if you feel sick. * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately does. * once you get older you will have him * Or before to die. * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning). * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life give you more hope and let you think about your future future... Just as you think for tomorrow. And basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in te world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a ealthy society we want live materiliscally, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺️
He could of made a actually arguement but he fumbled the moment I heard the word enjoyment they believe in God out of fear not for fun and he could also bring up being indrtocted in a tealgion you yourself don't believe and makes your life boring on top of that you're going to hell if by some miracle one of the most unknown religions is the actual one so I find it funny as a agoniic to just say I'll deal with it when he shows himself but till then he should learn to talk
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality of happiness, and by no means a necessity of life." George Bernard Shaw
Plus: long-term alcohol abuse obviously isn't healthy. Just as living a lie - while possibly making you 'happy' superficially - probably isn't good for mental health in the long run.
@@danielcrafter9349 Relevant because George Bernard Shaw was a strong supporter of eugenics much like the rest of the socialist movement in that era. He was a supporter of Hitler and believed in “humane” culling of people who “can’t justify their existence”. You quoting him as some kind of shining light of wisdom is galling.
*_"Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway."_*
In simple words, he’s pointing out how that’s the outcome of Alex’ moral worldview since what’s good boils down to what increases overall happiness and wellbeing. If believing in religion increases happiness, under Alex’ own moral worldview, that’d make the morally optimal action to (at least try) to believe in religion.
@Based Upper Class Homosexual technically the argument is that belief in god makes people happier, not necessarily pretending to believe. But as far as I know that research doesn’t take into account confounding variables like the human interaction at weekly meetings, belonging to a community of people who are like minded, etc. Which are things that make people happier on their own, so I don’t see why anyone would want all the extra baggage of a god claim or religious dogma.
@Based Upper Class Homosexual I see what you mean, I was mostly referencing your comment where it said that the study shows people are happier when they pretend to believe. My comment should say the study rather than the argument, because you’re definitely right about his argument. He extrapolated an entirely different and incomparable scenario than what the research described, which was people who do actually believe. It’s truly wild he thinks anyone would be happier by faking their beliefs.
@Based Upper Class Homosexual What these people often imply is that religion is meant to be substitute for certain negative human proclivities being the lesser of two evils as though it were a vehicle to subvert public opinion into eventually outlawing abortion, sex changes on children, changing economic policy, inspiring motivation and productivity etc. Whether you agree with one or more of their goals it doesnt change the fact their methods are extremely sinister, I`d even say totalitarian. And it isnt even true religion makes people happier, maybe for some but not the entire population. For a lot of people religion has the opposite effect inspiring feelings of worthlessness thanks to the suppression of personal autonomy that goes hand in hand with this type of thinking. The left may have lost the plot entirely but the right hasnt learned a goddamn thing since they lost power decades ago.
@@brettjohnson536 I think that's possible. It may be both agree with the atheist argument. But for separate reasons. What I also see in the comments. Many theists. Who disagree with the atheists. But each one is pushing their different take on Christianity. And I believe a Muslim commentator. Pushing that Islam was the correct form of Faith.
Damn am I the only one who “believes” in god here. Now not in any way that religious people do but I basically believe there is probably some greater force or energy that is responsible for the creation of our universe. I’m not sure if we can communicate with it, or if it’s even worth the time to “pray” to it, but I definitely believe something like that exists. It’s basically god if god was completely neutral; has no interference with how we live our lives.
@@femcel123 OK, except that you can absolutely choose what you choose. For example, you can choose not to kill someone even though you want to, you can choose to continue to live rather than committing suicide, even though you have every reason to do it, and you can choose to defend someone who's being attacked even though you may get hurt by doing that and you don't want that to happen. Whenever there's a situation with multiple choices, you can choose which one you choose.
@@stefantherainbowphoenix none of what you said can be chosen. you don't have choice, you only have the illusion of choice. whatever you think "you decide" was never actually decided by you; you think you do, but you don't. things always happen the way they were always meant to be, simple as that. however after you've learnt about free will (or the lack of it), it is recommended that you forget about it and live as though you did have free will, otherwise people tend to become apathetic nihilists lol
@@femcel123there no such thing as "things happen the way there were meant to be" things happen the exact moment you make a choice, if there is a scrip that already predicted everything show it us and or just predict what my next response will be.
Alex, your patience here is something admirable. I don’t understand how anyone can make the point he makes with a straight face. “Oh, just believe it, even if you don’t really believe it” Sorry, what?
He is argueing from what could be acceptable for an atheist to do. He doesn't actually abide by that personally. He is just trying to make God feasible whether he can prove His existence or not.
@@prosamis How? This guy says people pretend to believe in something to make themselves happy. Why should I pretend to believe in God to make myself happy. If I pretend to believe in something, why would that benefit me in any way?
@@prosamis I still don't understand what you mean. Pretending to believe in something doesn't benefit you because you *don't* believe in it. Why believe in fiction? I could pretend to believe in a fantasy world or a supernatural being from a book or TV show but it doesn't directly benefit me and it doesn't change my way of life. So mention these benefits that apparently exist because I've never heard about someone benefitting from pretending to believe in a supernatural being like God.
It's a philosophical claim, not a fact. It's not that people "can't seem to understand." It's that, naturally, people have different views on the topic. There are a lot of wise people who would disagree with that claim. To approach a complicated, nuanced topic with such certainty is narrow-minded and fails to paint the whole picture.
@@coolpotato142 I'm sorry but I disagree entirely. The appeal to authority from so-called "wise people" does not lend any credence to them being right or wrong. Consider anything that you believe to be true about the world and try, as an act of will, to believe the opposite is true. You can choose to act in opposition of your belief or you can be manipulated/convinced into a change of beliefs but you can't simply choose to believe that what you don't. Any example of belief as a choice is more accurately described as an attempt in self-deception. The very nature of belief, as the perception of what one understands to be real, makes this so.
@@ChrisG-mp2kb My comment of belief not being a choice, is not about whether or not we have free will but rather that if we have a kind of free will, belief is not subject to the will outside of self-manipulation. I think the existence of Free Will is a separate debate, in which I'm more akin to a compatiblist. A hard definition of free will in the sense that we can do other than what we do, I don't think is true but I do think we have a kind of free will such that we have the experience of choices and the culpability of those choices, and I do think it is a fact that belief is not one of those choices.
@bigmike4133 I disagree. One has to give the authorization to the information one is seeking or being subjected to, to be true or not. One can convince or persuade one self to believe something to be true. Definition of belief- acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. Keyword "acceptance" trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something. "I've still got belief in myself" For example you yourself gives the authorization that what cosmic skeptic is aruging in this video is to be true by way of free will. If not wouldn't we all just argee? Or am I just delusional?
@@prosamis it's close enough and both arguments have the same issue; you can't just pretend to believe and these are not arguments for the existence of god but is always presented as such
@@prosamis not only can't you just seek "belief", this type of delusion is literally the death of critical thinking. This can shape your worldview and influence how you view the actual reality. And ignorance may be bliss but it's harmful. Being naive has it's costs. Same way blind optimism is harmful. And all of this becomes infinitely worse in the context of an organised religion that already prescribes stuff you can't question or criticize Drugs make you happy, but you can't rely on it because it distors reality.
@@justforfunlol2258 you can still use your critical thinking on everything else in life. Drugs don't suddenly make you incompetent intellectually for the rest of your life. Also organized religion sucks, I do not disagree with that at all. The way backwards thinking countries use religion to justify atrocities is disgusting But that doesn't mean there's no benefit in belief We're all delusional, we just choose what type of delusion we partake in for we cannot know what we can't, and nothing can be proven true. So might as well benefit from your delusions rather than suffer from them. So long you're a virtuous, moral person, what delusion you partake in to cope with the human condition really doesn't matter, so long you cope rather than deny yourself comfort for the sake of "rational thought"
I m the richest person in the world , i belive so , becoz believing that make me feel happy . So that prove that the conclusion of me being the richest person on earth is valid . 😂
Some people do enjoy coprophagy, and there’s nothing morally wrong with that (unless cholera or other feces-borne illnesses are a significant risk). I only have a problem when people say I’m a bad person for not wanting to eat their shit.
For all of you agreeing "you can't choose what you believe," all of you are wrong. Everything we do is a choice. And we do choose what we believe. We can't choose "the truth" per se, truth exists whether we believe it or not, but we CAN choose what we believe. Here's an example. If I told you my dad's name is Dennis, would you believe me? I'm not going to share his birth certificate, so it's up to you to choose to believe me or not, and different readers of this comment could make different choices. If you believe me, then you believe my dad's name is actually Dennis, and your belief would be due to the fact that you CHOSE to believe me after trusting what I said. If you want, you could also CHOOSE to deny my claim, and choose to believe that my dad's name is not Dennis. You could believe that I only used that name for the sake of example, not as a real-life fact, if that makes sense. Both options...Believing or not believing my dad's name is Dennis...both options are entirely POSSIBLE to believe, but at the moment you, the reader, do not know which claim is true. Anyone can choose to believe truth, or choose to believe lies (that's how delusion starts). But belief is always a choice. We aren't forced to believe something, it's a choice. The reason some atheists have become Christians in their lives, and vice versa, is because those people CHANGED what they chose to believe at some point in their lives.
It’s more that that. He’s arguing that when we cave and consciously allow ourselves to be replugged then our humanity should be reattributed as a gift from the matrix itself. It’s a frightening slippery slope into slavery and worship of a god whose priests hold supreme authority over interpretations of good and evil.
@@CurrentAssistant Not true, for the prophet and the quran are according to dogma, direct intermediaries for god. Religion even manages to double-think absolutes, in such regards. Reason would state that books of paper and ink, are produced through printing or human writing. Tools as to store information, tales or both. If god were to leave a message that is this fatality bound to our very creation and existence, he would have written it in pure starlight. Etched into our very skies for all to see for all of our time. Paper and ink were all too common, even by the year 500.
You can't give yourself beliefs because they feel good. We call that kidding yourself. Living in denial doesn't accomplish anything, just distances you from correctness.
that stating you don't choice your belief is an oxymoron. if people couldn't choice what they believe in than why do people debate? you can choice to believe in something because its morally right or you can choice to believe in something cause it makes you feel happy. either way its a choice.
@roiking2740 no sir, that's called being convinced. The reason for debate is to make arguments that convince those who agree. No one can *choose* what they are convinced of.
@@roiking2740to try and convince you to change your mind. It’s not like people are saying you should leave the debate with a completely different opinion. The idea is for you to reassess your beliefs. I don’t think you can just choose what you believe.
Alex is so intelligent that it seems difficult for him to imagine that the world is not full of people who understand the tenets of logic and rhetoric. To his credit, he learns from every interaction and that is worth a follow.
Nobody pretends to believe in something to make themselves happy, unless they're somehow capable of actively deluding themselves. People pretend to believe in things to make other people happy. If you know that you don't believe a thing then no amount of pretending you believe it will make you actually believe it.
people are very capable of actively deluding themselves. suspension of disbelieve is a powerful thing, and you can totally convince yourself that something is real even if you’d know it to be false if you’d allow yourself to be more rational. for example, i know the physics of the universe don’t work to bring me opportunities to learn and grow from, but i’ve chosen to see things that way because it’s a more fun, productive and optimistic mindset, i very much believe in it throughout the day and it makes me happier, but if you were to ask me to bet money on whether it’s actually real i’d say it’s not
@@guyunger okay then. Right now, convince yourself that the president of the United States is Eminem. Can you do it? Thought not. You could say you do, but deep down inside you would know that it wasn't true. And if you can convince yourself that it is true, then you're not pretending to believe it, you actually believe it.
Just believe you're rich, don't let the cashier tell you that you can't buy the entire shop because of your bank balance. Its the Cashiers ignorance that needs to change.
@@thebatman7347dude i cant force myself to believe in god, its like forcing myself to believe in super powers, i mean they might exist but i dont personnally believe they do if i dont have at least some little evidence
@@thefuturespast5981People don't actually forced themselves they actually pretend to believe in God because of some privileges and pleasure but that doesn't disprove God's existence.You can't call all your classmates a thief just because someone from ur class is a thief.
@@Selma-lt6uuforcing urself to believe in God is one of the worst thing to do,do not force yourself just search for evidences and if u do need some I could help but hey internet has better proof and explanation than me
That just wouldn’t work. Trust me, I tried very hard to believe and couldn’t. I could not take anything or anyone in church seriously. I felt trapped and unhappy living a lie.
I am in that stage rigth now, feeling miserable and sad and forcing my self from time to time, to belive in something that I don't want to. Since I was a boy I could see trought religion and people becouse I had the habit of reading and criticial thinking. So, what can I do to be happy and be free of all the horrible things people had told me for my way of thinking? I need help. Sorry for my english.
It really boggles my mind how people think they can just choose what they believe. No matter how much I "choose" to believe or pretend that 1+1=3, i just can't be convinced of it
@@maxhuzen6329 bro that's not my point lol. Try for minute to GENUINELY believe for example that the moon is made of cheese, and tell me with a straight face that you actually -for fucking real- believe that and are convinced that it is so
I wonder if sheer desperation might not be a strong enough impetus to force human beings to make the leap into belief. For example, might not an everyday atheist mother find, upon the death of her child, that her only way to hold onto sanity is to leap into a belief in a heaven where her dead child now lives, awaiting her arrival. Better than literally jumping off a cliff?
Islam _ 0≠1 (no god but The God) Atheism _ 0=1 (nothing into something) Trinitarianism _ 1=3 (3 in 1 transformers) Hindusim _ 1=30'000'000 (God turning into a pig, a monkey, a cow, shivling and so on creations, mostly humanoid looking)
"Believing in god makes some people happy. Therefore, you can choose what to believe. Therefore, atheists should believe in god. Therefore, god exists."
He’s not arguing for god. He’s not even arguing that people should believe simply because it increases happiness. He’s attacking Alex’ moral worldview, which boils down to “increase overall happiness/wellbeing”, by pointing out how Alex’ moral worldview leads to this being the morally optimal action in a world where religion increases wellbeing.
@@ha.alamin That argument itself is already a red herring from the actual question at hand, god's existence. Belief isn't something you can assess based on happiness and then simply decide to do for the greater good. If one does see it that way, then that is something other than belief in what is true. Truth is not based on what is good, or what brings happiness. And to argue that one should believe something because it is morally good, is illogical.
I think the only way someone could give themselves a belief is by brainwashing themselves, and calling that a choice is a little tricky. It's more like choosing the same thing thousands of times in the same way that living a particular way is about repeatedly making the same choice. It wouldn't be a single choice in time, but the same choice over and over again.
I saw the other post, I’m a Catholic but you’re definitely in the right here. Just because a belief makes us happy doesn’t mean we should believe it. That’s how we get evil people
Close to it. The worst reason is to watch other people suffer and perpetuate that suffering. I'm sure there are some people for whom Hell is the biggest benefit.
Only it's not really - the beard guy did a switcheroo where he swapped a discussion of "believing that God exists" to "propagating the illusion that God exists for practical reasons". While it may or may not be beneficial in relation to different alternatives, this is simply a different discussion altogether, which the other guy seemed to try and convey and the beard guy pretended he did not understand. I've seen many discussions like this, and reverting to dishonesty is sadly a quite popular and quick move from the theist side.
Haha exactly, it’s the most juvenile thing to say, “whatever, I know my arguments are weaker and likely false but let’s say they’re true and you now lie to yourself and we can now live in eternal bliss. See, isn’t that better”?!
The point is, its quite pointless ro debate existence of God. You can choose to believe and gain some more life contentment or mope around and proclaim your high IQ at expense of happiness
Oh, this is the exact argument I had with my dad when I told him I was an atheist. Him saying you should just make yourself believe anyway, me explaining that I can't make myself believe things that I know not to be true (or rather, that I don't know to be true and have no evidence for), that impasse has held us back from being able to talk about it for about 8 years now, because it always comes down to that disconnect for both of us. From my perspective, he's telling me to do something impossible and I'm explaining I can't, from his perspective, he's telling me to do something entirely reasonable and I'm refusing. Can't argue over whether one and one is two if you can't agree on what "One" or Two" or "Is" means, I guess. I have a sudden respect for mathematicians who find proofs for the seemingly obvious and logisticians, too. Edit: parentheses
Yes, for many religions this is already the end. It would be extremely unjust by some god to punish people for not believing if it's not a choice. And this is obviously why theists don't know about this.
@@pdr105 "you can either give me all your love, devotion and follow everything i tell you to do. OR you can get shot by my shotgun. The choice is yours." This isn't "just". What would be just is giving people a true choice to believe. One which doesn't involve any coercion. Because that is what a lot of christians tell their children, that you have to believe in god and pray and do all this shit otherwise you rot in hell for eternity. That is not a choice, that is coercion. IF that is the god you believe in, then you believe in an unjust and honestly straight up evil and egotistical god. No matter how you spin it, that depiction of god is in no way just or all loving.
That's strange. There are plenty of people who believe in God and who are very angry at unbelievers of their religion. If you are angry, you ain't happy.
I’ve experienced this too. The most dramatic and vociferous Christian in our extended family, can’t seem to shut up long enough to go out and just enjoy their one life it seems. They are constantly bringing up rather dumb religious rhetoric, even though we won’t engage them in it, only out of respect for their sister (our brother’s wife) and through the years, they have always seemed so stressed out, unhappy and worried as compared to us Atheist family members who just get out and enjoy life, so I don’t see any benefits in her life due to her religion. I’d try to talk sense into her and her family, but they are just too far gone. I don’t know how my brother manages that side of the family, but he does because he is just so loveable, and he is loving and helpful to everyone one of them and he helps keeps his wife the sanest of that whole religious family group.
He is right in the sense that people do delude themselves into believing stuff is true all the time. Though it is generally not a conscious choice though.
@@colinross3755Agree. Like the smoker with emphysema who has worked hard to delude themselves that their cigarette smoking has taken no part in their emphysema. That person has spent a very long time combating and denying medical fact. They've scrubbed rationality out of that section of their brain. And yet in the wee hours of the morning cold terror will strike sometimes and tell them the truth but by morning they can dismiss it.
He is right. People believe in what will make them happier instead of the truth all the time. Try tugging at the security blankets of people that still believe that the ‘system’ is still there looking out for them.
You know your position is worthless when you get to the point where "Pretending makes me feel better" feels like a valid argument to hammer on at length.
@@Catofborealvalley Well Alex in this video has deluded himself into believing that Knowledge is a Justified True Belief. Which means he believes that knowledge needs a belief. Therefore he believes that he knows the definition of knowledge which he believes is a type of belief. He thus must know what a "belief" is, but to know is to believe, so he has a belief that knowledge is a belief. So to know what a belief is, means you must have a justification that it is a belief, that belief has to be true, and he has to believe it. So a belief is true and justified and believed so belief is known, which means he believes belief is true, justified and believed. Alex's philosophy is a belief without justification about knowledge being a belief with justification. The people that tell you that you cannot believe without a reason, believe that without a reason. The philosopher that tells you that you cannot delude yourself has come to that conclusion because they deluded themselves into believing this "knowledge as a type of belief" philosophy.
@@ExistenceUniversity are you saying that all atheists are lying to themselves or something? Because they need to believe God does not exist therefore they have a belief that God exists, which is impossible because they don’t have beliefs?
@@justachilldude8426 No, I am an atheist myself. I am saying that there are different types of epistemology in philosophy and all but one struggle with the concept "knowledge". All these philosophies (which is the basis of Alex's argument in this video is his philosophy that Knowledge = Justified True Belief) hold a contradiction in their philosophy and the conclusions of that contradiction is that they have to then hold that belief cannot exist without reasons. It is from this deluded philosophical position that one concludes that one cannot delude themselves, however that conclusion is only possible by deluding yourself to it. So it is possible to delude yourself into believing something. So in fact, I am saying the opposite of what you asked, I am saying that those who believe in god do not have to have any reason to do so. They just can and some of them just do. Atheists don't believe, or know that a god is not possible, that is not the same thing.
@@jamesc3505 No, they are either convinced or they are not. That's not choosing the belief. The problem arises when people are convinced for substandard reasons or evidence.
@@jamesc3505 If you have to choose to believe something, you already don't believe it, but you have decided to act as if you believe it. Then you lie to yourself and put your hands over your eyes or ears any time that contrary information is presented. Maybe eventually you forget, but until then, you don't actually believe it.
Tecnically you can. There are two types of belief: one is about interpretation of insuficient evidence and the other is about emotional investment. To believe in God can mean 'to be invested in God' unlike 'to be convinced that the information is a factual description.'
For some reason this feels like the Monty Python Argument Clinic sketch. I could imagine it continuing like this: "Belief in God makes people happy so you should choose to believe." "You can't choose to believe, that wouldn't make me happy." "...Have you considered choosing to believe it would make you happy?"
What’s weird about this argument is it’s the same argument many men in the ‘manosphere’ and self help world use. They say things like ‘the Greatest Men are religious’ and ‘religion gives you purpose’ as their primary reasons for being religious… which is a terrible argument because even if they’re right that doesn’t have anything to do with actual reality
I would suggest a dude who tries to use old kung fu stuff is much better equipped for a fight than a debater who asks "why can't I make category errors?"
McDojo fighter* Chi is using your breath for maximum power and speed, not some magical force. Boxers going "doosh" or making any sound as they punch is using chi. Old kung fu fighters had fooking claws mate, their hands were useless for everything bar martial arts. Their hands were riddled with arthritis by old age, rigid, rock solid paws. They traded functional use of their hands for iron fists. If an old chinese kung fu master hit you, not only would you not see it coming, you might actually die, it must have been like getting hit with a bat.
“You can't choose what you believe!“ “If i repeat a lie often enough...“ Sounds to me like its a similar situation than physical workout. In the beginning you are unmotivated and want to stop. If you do it for long enough it feels wrong if you don't do it or miss a session.
This is a point that needs to be more: you can not actually choose what to believe. You can lie to yourself, but it's a lie precisely because you don't believe it.
Yes it does. Happiness results from the actions of belief. Islam is built into our programming, copying the actions of Iman gives you pleasure even if you don't have Iman yourself. Charity, patience, mindfulness/zikr, prayer/meditation, abstinence from alcohol, marriage, these are all scientific proven to increase happiness regardless of religious beliefs. When I want to show my kids the problem with atheism, I don't go to theological arguments, I just point out how atheists live their lives compared to the muslims. The muslims have it so much better.
@@youtube_omaro1879you are either misunderstanding or misusing the term belief. People who pretend or act like they believe ARE atheists. Because they are feigning belief. Atheism is not having belief. People who feign belief don’t actually have belief. It doesn’t matter at all what they pretend to have. All of the things you get from Islam, I get without it. Religion isn’t the common denominator. A moral frame work is.
@@joemiller7082 Not all the things. You can get to one level, but the higher levels can't be reached without sincere belief. An atheist may pray to be seen, he won't do Tahajjud. He may give charity, but he doesn't give as much. He may be a stoic, but he'll never have tawakkul. There are levels of happiness and contentment in life that are not only unobtainable by atheists, but they are completely unaware of.
@@joemiller7082 I think we went on a tangent. The original point was that pretending to believe makes you happier. Which I contend is true because pretending to believe requires a person to do things that make you happier.
@@youtube_omaro1879 I don’t agree with that at all because you know you’re pretending to believe. That’s literally lying to yourself. There are literally *millions* of examples of people who were suffering serious harm that receded when they *stopped* faking it and moved on and stopped worrying about that one thing. You can contend all you want but it is *disproven* by tens of millions of miserable believers and extremely happy non believers. Funny enough, there is neither correlation NOR causation to bolster your point. It is basically a blind assertion. You can’t prove a higher level of happiness. You’re just saying it. I could “just say” the opposite. There are lots of reasons people do things to make them happier. Believing in a god is just one of many, and it’s very common that people are literally just scared to say they don’t believe because they fear hell. Therefore you are *unjustified* in your assertion. That isn’t real happiness. That’s a hostage negotiation.
Once I realized what the truth was I could no more pretend to believe in god than I could pretend to be in love with and marry someone who repelled me. Even if I could for a little while it would never last - so why bother?! One can only fake for so long.
Alex said "You can't choose what to believe" amen to that, that is why its evident that it is only possible that the Lord gives us grace to believe in the first place. Philippians 1:29, Ephesians 2:8-9, John 6:44, John 1:13. All these passages indicate that only through the Lords intervention do we ever believe in Him.
Thank you for this Cosmic. For awhile I’ve felt that you’ve mainly targeted Christianity due to the fact it’s easy. I like the versatility in also tackling other faiths especially Islam as too often I’ve come across Muslims who ignorantly make conclusions of the non religious and people of other beliefs
That was beautifully described. That's exactly how I felt throughout my twenties. I was constantly conflicted because I could not continue believing my religion. It made me miserable and made me feel guilty all the time. I'm much happier now as an atheist.
Infact the way these people use god to justify horrible things makes it even more difficult for me to believe in the ideology itself despite knowing the loopholes..
The difference is quite simple. Human rights are a social ideology to create a better world. Believing in God for happiness is as simple as taking drugs to feel good. But this is not a basis for a better, more educated and more successful society. Just for a slightly happier company (maybe). Besides, you don't have to believe in God to be happy. There are many other options and it is not a social obligation for a better world. Therefore it is difficult to claim that it can be considered a social ideology.
I don’t even think choosing to believe in god is possible. I think you could choose to try to believe. Eventually you may become convinced, but that is really just a “fake it til you make it” situation.
Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … Why onyoua re empty like it. Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constanlty fear… What idiots! For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they can. They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism. Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism, that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit. You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or later... Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest, empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and they will pay for it, and even badly........ They are so desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you. Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation, and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid, nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak)......... God will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it). NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty bs cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liers as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)...... Those people are so full of BS, and who deny it is a godless trash hipocrite.......
@@LOL-ev8ftfalse. Many people who are religious want to deny LGBT rights because it goes against their religious values (most obvious example being gay marriage). Same applies to women, especially in Islam.
Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … Why onyoua re empty like it. Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constanlty fear… What idiots! For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they can. They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism. Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism, that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit. You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or later... Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest, empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and they will pay for it, and even badly........ They are so desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you. Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation, and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid, nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak)......... God will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it). NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty bs cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liers as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)...... Those people are so full of BS, and who deny it is a godless trash hipocrite.......
This is why Pascal's Wager doesn't work - because you can't just tell yourself to believe in something. Alex is fucking handsome these days, innee? Even from the point of view of a straight guy like me. He's gonna be beating them off with a stick, if he isn't already.
Small correction: It's *one of* the reasons why Pascal's Wager doesn't work. The mathematics that the wager is based on also don't come close to actually working like this.
@@htpkeywell this will only cause secularism to thrive and drive out people practising their religion, and maybe make them even more degenerate. And I will say this with 100% conviction that secularism and Religion cannot co-exist, it has caused much distress into our world.
@@sheikhrayan9538 Do you understand what "secularism" means? It doesn't mean anti-religion! Secular just means indifferent to religious beliefs. So a secular government is not built on teachings from a religion (quran, bible, etc.), but on ideas that humans in that country consider important (liberty, equality, freedom of thought, etc.). You can still practise your religion in a secular country, but your religion is not going to dictate how other people will live their life. It will also not punish people based on rules invented by your religion. So secularism and religion can definitely co-exist, but you cannot have a country that is both secular and theocratic at the same time! "It (secularism) has caused much distress to our world" Can you list any distress that secularism has caused?
That may have been true in the past but isn't really anymore. If you look around the world, the countries with the highest life expectancy rates tend to be more secular and the countries with the lowest life expectancy rates tend to be more religious.
Churches can also rape, manipulate and exploit. Communities can be found everywhere, you just have to find the right community for you in which your feels safe and accepted. Religion is far from the only answer
I lived in denial for a long, long time. I pretended to believe in God and the Christian Church for years because it avoided conflict with my family and gave me a peaceful existence outwardly. But it's true, you can't choose what you truly believe. Because inwardly, I felt like I was rotting. The pretending and denial gave me the most wretched loss of my sense of self. I had no real peace. So yes, you can choose to pretend to believe, but you can't choose what you truly believe.
Why is ignorance is bliss a saying? Im not saying I subscribe to it, but it does have utility in it. The fact that people can have cancer but having or not having that knowledge can be freeing for a person until it's time. I'm not trying to own anyone, just talking about utilities here
@@brotherben4357 like I said, some cancers are inherently incurable, meaning it would lead to nihilism, so being ignorant of it actually could be a beneficial thing, not only for the person but for those surrounding him as well. This isn't analogous to God, this was, again, a statement to explore the utility of ignorance.
@@selfportrait8363Uncurable, but treatable. I've known multiple people who've had cancer and are still very much alive. If ignorance lead to their preventable deaths, I'd argue that it is in fact rather harmful.
Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … Why onyoua re empty like it. Then why only godless alone trash people are obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like them, and live with this constanlty fear… What idiots! For really you did not get those empty Videos where godless alone people constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they can. They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism. Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism, that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit. You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or later... Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest, empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and they will pay for it, and even badly........ They are so desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you. Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation, and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid, nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak)......... God will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it). NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw away that empty bs cult called atheism that does not explain anything and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone trash people, liers as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it… WHY?)...... Those people are so full of BS, and who deny it is a godless trash hipocrite.....
Yes. I make myself happy by forcing myself to pretend-believe something that deep down feels like a lie. I also love it when men tell me to smile when I am experiencing other thoughts or emotions they are not aware of. Oh, and I fix problems in my relationships by pretending the problems aren’t really there.
“Even if it’s false, people believe in God because it makes them feel good, and why not?” - this sounds like something an atheist would say!
Crucially, a person who acts like God exists is not a theist, but an atheist, since despite their desires and actions, they still don’t truly believe in God’s existence.
Why do you not believe in me my child?
Well, probably someone that found a way to use religion to profit
@@flying_spaghettimonster holy shit, it's real!
I agree with you on principle, but I will say that no, you absolutely can control what you believe. Technically speaking, you can’t “control” what you believe, but by that standard, you cannot control who you are or any choice you make. If we’re talking about the will you have when choosing which donut to buy, then yes, you absolutely can choose what you believe. People constantly look at every fact against what they believe, and decide “I am going to give my gut feeling undue amounts of trust.”
Humans are built to want to be able to trust themselves, and when they are proven logically wrong, they can decide to fall back on the idea that their instincts are so compelling that surely, they must be from a god. You convince yourself that it is true simply by repeating it over and over. And that’s a choice, as much as anything else a human can choose.
@@starRushi If you find a community where you feel valued, and that community has counterfactual beliefs, loyalty to the group may take precedence over whether their beliefs are true. This is underscored by cutting yourself off from opposing ideas from "outsiders" which are interpreted as attacks on the group and your identity.
In this way, you can come to believe something false, that you knew to be false at the outset. You can actively participate in your own path to delusion.
I can't believe he just said, "Just be delusional"
Are you depressed? Pretend to be happy!
Atheist are already delusional. They make up morals and meanings even though they know atheism is nihilistic and there is no meaning. it's all delusion.
@@tidalfite2748 No, atheists just realize that you have to do things on your own instead of relying on some made-up authority
You need the context of the conversation, he was using his subjective moral framework of Pleasure and Pain to justify religious belief as being net position and therefore the default stance in his own view point (he was basically trying to show him that regardless of logical framework you use, belief in God is always the correct way to live your life as a human being)...
@@bigbowss9817 I mean, in my view that just makes what he's saying even worse. He's trying to justify his complicated religious views by comparing them directly to the not nearly as complicated "default" state people have morally. It just doesn't work as a comparison as Alex rightly pointed out
Believing in something make u happy DOESN'T mean pretending to believe will make u happy as well .
also the fact that it's unclear where the happiness of theists is derived from, and theists being different fundamentally on some things from atheists might not be happy for the dame reasons
Actually it does make you feel better, but thats the start of a whole new problem cos if u believe one thing just to cover ur fear of reality then u will keep doing this belief shit everywhere. That's a recipe for ur own disaster. You become susceptible to being fooled easily.
Believing my partner is satisfied every time we make love and has already orgasmed by the time I have, certainly makes ME happy....
Not to mention believing she is there, is a supermodel, or even exists, makes me positively ecstatic... even if I do have to use more lube.
Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life.
Also because:
Believe in God is
*Free
* It those not required any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on).
* You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him.
* Once you are alone is only Him you have.
* So if you feel sick.
* Or Someone of your family, unfortunately does.
* once you get older you will have him
* Or before to die.
* You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God.
* You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning).
* You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life give you more hope and let you think about your future future... Just as you think for tomorrow.
And basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in te world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a ealthy society we want live materiliscally, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not).
I hope you understand that (without any further questions)
May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺️
@@crazydragy4233 Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life.
Also because:
Believe in God is
*Free
* It those not required any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on).
* You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him.
* Once you are alone is only Him you have.
* So if you feel sick.
* Or Someone of your family, unfortunately does.
* once you get older you will have him
* Or before to die.
* You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God.
* You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning).
* You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life give you more hope and let you think about your future future... Just as you think for tomorrow.
And basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in te world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a ealthy society we want live materiliscally, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not).
I hope you understand that (without any further questions)
May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺️
That might be the saddest argument for theism I've ever heard
Well said, me from 5 months ago
@@lordofgraphiteWhat a legend
Well said, you from 3 months ago.@@lordofgraphite
@@lordofgraphite well said, you from 10 months ago
He could of made a actually arguement but he fumbled the moment I heard the word enjoyment they believe in God out of fear not for fun and he could also bring up being indrtocted in a tealgion you yourself don't believe and makes your life boring on top of that you're going to hell if by some miracle one of the most unknown religions is the actual one so I find it funny as a agoniic to just say I'll deal with it when he shows himself but till then he should learn to talk
That sound like he is saying ”I don’t believe what I’m preaching, but I just pretend, doesn’t everyone?”
6 months sober! I am a lot more happier now but I get your point
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality of happiness, and by no means a necessity of life."
George Bernard Shaw
Plus: long-term alcohol abuse obviously isn't healthy.
Just as living a lie - while possibly making you 'happy' superficially - probably isn't good for mental health in the long run.
“The only fundamental and possible socialism is the socialisation of the selective breeding of man”
George Bernard Shaw.
@@stephanweinberger could be, if youre delusional enough. The alcohol analogy isnt that rock solid
@@AJ_______- relevant because...???
@@danielcrafter9349 Relevant because George Bernard Shaw was a strong supporter of eugenics much like the rest of the socialist movement in that era. He was a supporter of Hitler and believed in “humane” culling of people who “can’t justify their existence”.
You quoting him as some kind of shining light of wisdom is galling.
The way that Alex looks away when the other guy asked “why not” had me wheezing
*_"Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway."_*
Because Alex got destroyed. He looked away knowing he got ended.
@@m.a.2282 he is dumbfounded by how stupid his opponent is
@Gittana The video is just a clip. Whole video shows Alex getting walked over.
@@m.a.2282 Perhaps to you.
In simple words he said, "Be delusional".
almost, he said, "be delusional to be happy".
However happy here doesn't mean happy, but on average maybe a little happier.
In simple words, he’s pointing out how that’s the outcome of Alex’ moral worldview since what’s good boils down to what increases overall happiness and wellbeing. If believing in religion increases happiness, under Alex’ own moral worldview, that’d make the morally optimal action to (at least try) to believe in religion.
Alex: "you can't choose what you believe"
Kierkegaard: "Hold my beer"
‘It feels better’
But I thought facts don't care about feelings
@@feliks5307 Who could have thought that theists would have their own rhetoric be used against them.
@Based Upper Class Homosexual technically the argument is that belief in god makes people happier, not necessarily pretending to believe. But as far as I know that research doesn’t take into account confounding variables like the human interaction at weekly meetings, belonging to a community of people who are like minded, etc. Which are things that make people happier on their own, so I don’t see why anyone would want all the extra baggage of a god claim or religious dogma.
@Based Upper Class Homosexual I see what you mean, I was mostly referencing your comment where it said that the study shows people are happier when they pretend to believe. My comment should say the study rather than the argument, because you’re definitely right about his argument. He extrapolated an entirely different and incomparable scenario than what the research described, which was people who do actually believe. It’s truly wild he thinks anyone would be happier by faking their beliefs.
@Based Upper Class Homosexual What these people often imply is that religion is meant to be substitute for certain negative human proclivities being the lesser of two evils as though it were a vehicle to subvert public opinion into eventually outlawing abortion, sex changes on children, changing economic policy, inspiring motivation and productivity etc.
Whether you agree with one or more of their goals it doesnt change the fact their methods are extremely sinister, I`d even say totalitarian. And it isnt even true religion makes people happier, maybe for some but not the entire population. For a lot of people religion has the opposite effect inspiring feelings of worthlessness thanks to the suppression of personal autonomy that goes hand in hand with this type of thinking. The left may have lost the plot entirely but the right hasnt learned a goddamn thing since they lost power decades ago.
Just cos ur blind u can't expect the whole world to close their eyes 👀
I think both of y'all are agreeing with the athiest argument but missinterpreting one another 😂
@@brettjohnson536 I think that's possible. It may be both agree with the atheist argument. But for separate reasons. What I also see in the comments. Many theists.
Who disagree with the atheists. But each one is pushing their different take on Christianity. And I believe a Muslim commentator. Pushing that Islam was the correct form of Faith.
"... pretending to be blind ..." would be more accurate
Damn am I the only one who “believes” in god here. Now not in any way that religious people do but I basically believe there is probably some greater force or energy that is responsible for the creation of our universe. I’m not sure if we can communicate with it, or if it’s even worth the time to “pray” to it, but I definitely believe something like that exists. It’s basically god if god was completely neutral; has no interference with how we live our lives.
@@id1550 Totally agree brother 👍
If this man was right, no one would ever suffer from inadequacy or feelings of low self-worth, because they could just pretend it isn't true.
Really well stated alex, “you cant choose what you believe” perfect answer
"A man can do as he wills, but he cannot will as he wills." - Artur Schopenhauer
What does "he cannot will as he wills" even mean?
@@stefantherainbowphoenixit means he can't choose what he chooses, there is no free will, every thing is already chosen/willed for you
@@femcel123 OK, except that you can absolutely choose what you choose. For example, you can choose not to kill someone even though you want to, you can choose to continue to live rather than committing suicide, even though you have every reason to do it, and you can choose to defend someone who's being attacked even though you may get hurt by doing that and you don't want that to happen. Whenever there's a situation with multiple choices, you can choose which one you choose.
@@stefantherainbowphoenix none of what you said can be chosen. you don't have choice, you only have the illusion of choice. whatever you think "you decide" was never actually decided by you; you think you do, but you don't. things always happen the way they were always meant to be, simple as that. however after you've learnt about free will (or the lack of it), it is recommended that you forget about it and live as though you did have free will, otherwise people tend to become apathetic nihilists lol
@@femcel123there no such thing as "things happen the way there were meant to be" things happen the exact moment you make a choice, if there is a scrip that already predicted everything show it us and or just predict what my next response will be.
Alex, your patience here is something admirable.
I don’t understand how anyone can make the point he makes with a straight face.
“Oh, just believe it, even if you don’t really believe it”
Sorry, what?
He is argueing from what could be acceptable for an atheist to do. He doesn't actually abide by that personally.
He is just trying to make God feasible whether he can prove His existence or not.
You really can't see the logic in this?
This is a REASON to believe; a good one too
@@prosamis How? This guy says people pretend to believe in something to make themselves happy. Why should I pretend to believe in God to make myself happy. If I pretend to believe in something, why would that benefit me in any way?
@@thestruggler7926 an easy gateway to belief. Then you get the benefits. What's so complex about that?
@@prosamis I still don't understand what you mean. Pretending to believe in something doesn't benefit you because you *don't* believe in it. Why believe in fiction? I could pretend to believe in a fantasy world or a supernatural being from a book or TV show but it doesn't directly benefit me and it doesn't change my way of life. So mention these benefits that apparently exist because I've never heard about someone benefitting from pretending to believe in a supernatural being like God.
"you can't choose to believe" thank you for that, such a simple concept that so many can't seem to understand.
It's a philosophical claim, not a fact. It's not that people "can't seem to understand." It's that, naturally, people have different views on the topic. There are a lot of wise people who would disagree with that claim. To approach a complicated, nuanced topic with such certainty is narrow-minded and fails to paint the whole picture.
@@coolpotato142 I'm sorry but I disagree entirely. The appeal to authority from so-called "wise people" does not lend any credence to them being right or wrong. Consider anything that you believe to be true about the world and try, as an act of will, to believe the opposite is true. You can choose to act in opposition of your belief or you can be manipulated/convinced into a change of beliefs but you can't simply choose to believe that what you don't. Any example of belief as a choice is more accurately described as an attempt in self-deception. The very nature of belief, as the perception of what one understands to be real, makes this so.
@bigmike4133 So, in short, you don't believe in free will?
@@ChrisG-mp2kb My comment of belief not being a choice, is not about whether or not we have free will but rather that if we have a kind of free will, belief is not subject to the will outside of self-manipulation. I think the existence of Free Will is a separate debate, in which I'm more akin to a compatiblist. A hard definition of free will in the sense that we can do other than what we do, I don't think is true but I do think we have a kind of free will such that we have the experience of choices and the culpability of those choices, and I do think it is a fact that belief is not one of those choices.
@bigmike4133 I disagree. One has to give the authorization to the information one is seeking or being subjected to, to be true or not. One can convince or persuade one self to believe something to be true. Definition of belief-
acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. Keyword "acceptance"
trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.
"I've still got belief in myself"
For example you yourself gives the authorization that what cosmic skeptic is aruging in this video is to be true by way of free will. If not wouldn't we all just argee? Or am I just delusional?
“You can’t choose what you believe” wish my parents could understand this
Pascals wager always felt like a childish rebuttal than a serious argument
This literally isn't pascal's wager
@@prosamis it's close enough and both arguments have the same issue; you can't just pretend to believe and these are not arguments for the existence of god but is always presented as such
@@justforfunlol2258 it's a reason to seek belief, not what convinces you
@@prosamis not only can't you just seek "belief", this type of delusion is literally the death of critical thinking. This can shape your worldview and influence how you view the actual reality. And ignorance may be bliss but it's harmful. Being naive has it's costs. Same way blind optimism is harmful. And all of this becomes infinitely worse in the context of an organised religion that already prescribes stuff you can't question or criticize
Drugs make you happy, but you can't rely on it because it distors reality.
@@justforfunlol2258 you can still use your critical thinking on everything else in life.
Drugs don't suddenly make you incompetent intellectually for the rest of your life.
Also organized religion sucks, I do not disagree with that at all. The way backwards thinking countries use religion to justify atrocities is disgusting
But that doesn't mean there's no benefit in belief
We're all delusional, we just choose what type of delusion we partake in for we cannot know what we can't, and nothing can be proven true. So might as well benefit from your delusions rather than suffer from them.
So long you're a virtuous, moral person, what delusion you partake in to cope with the human condition really doesn't matter, so long you cope rather than deny yourself comfort for the sake of "rational thought"
I m the richest person in the world , i belive so , becoz believing that make me feel happy . So that prove that the conclusion of me being the richest person on earth is valid . 😂
I bow down 👏
😭🤣🤣
Hey yo I need to borrow some money 😉
Nothing, nothing at all... just a couple of million should cover it. Yeah. Pay you back next week.
@@BeheadedKamikaze belive it that I gave u , believing that will make u happy . 😉🤣🤣
@@anksssssssss thank you brother, it does 😄
Fancy investing in a good idea I have?
Always strange when someone openly gives you a very good reason to never believe anything they say.
Keep up the good work Alex! As a former Christian I understand you and how people are believing in something for the sake of it
It's like he's saying that you can eat shit with a smile on your face if you think it's your favorite cake hard enough.
You just described most religiots.
Some people do enjoy coprophagy, and there’s nothing morally wrong with that (unless cholera or other feces-borne illnesses are a significant risk). I only have a problem when people say I’m a bad person for not wanting to eat their shit.
I am fckin dead😂 this is really how they sound
I couldn't have said it any better
Omg I just cackled... That's such a hilarious way of putting it
"You can't choose what you believe." Absolutely agreed.
For all of you agreeing "you can't choose what you believe," all of you are wrong.
Everything we do is a choice. And we do choose what we believe. We can't choose "the truth" per se, truth exists whether we believe it or not, but we CAN choose what we believe. Here's an example.
If I told you my dad's name is Dennis, would you believe me? I'm not going to share his birth certificate, so it's up to you to choose to believe me or not, and different readers of this comment could make different choices.
If you believe me, then you believe my dad's name is actually Dennis, and your belief would be due to the fact that you CHOSE to believe me after trusting what I said.
If you want, you could also CHOOSE to deny my claim, and choose to believe that my dad's name is not Dennis. You could believe that I only used that name for the sake of example, not as a real-life fact, if that makes sense.
Both options...Believing or not believing my dad's name is Dennis...both options are entirely POSSIBLE to believe, but at the moment you, the reader, do not know which claim is true.
Anyone can choose to believe truth, or choose to believe lies (that's how delusion starts). But belief is always a choice. We aren't forced to believe something, it's a choice. The reason some atheists have become Christians in their lives, and vice versa, is because those people CHANGED what they chose to believe at some point in their lives.
@@penuelodiaka6359 I can pretend to believe that I can shoot lasers from my eyes, but I can't actually believe it.
"Why not?" Bro 😂
Dude is making an argument to plug himself back into the matrix.
It’s more that that. He’s arguing that when we cave and consciously allow ourselves to be replugged then our humanity should be reattributed as a gift from the matrix itself. It’s a frightening slippery slope into slavery and worship of a god whose priests hold supreme authority over interpretations of good and evil.
@@FuriousTortoise spot on!
Bro is Cypher
@@FuriousTortoisefair claim but not the scene in an Islamic world. No humans are intermediaries for God according to the Islamic belief
@@CurrentAssistant Not true, for the prophet and the quran are according to dogma, direct intermediaries for god.
Religion even manages to double-think absolutes, in such regards.
Reason would state that books of paper and ink, are produced through printing or human writing. Tools as to store information, tales or both.
If god were to leave a message that is this fatality bound to our very creation and existence, he would have written it in pure starlight. Etched into our very skies for all to see for all of our time.
Paper and ink were all too common, even by the year 500.
You can't give yourself beliefs because they feel good. We call that kidding yourself. Living in denial doesn't accomplish anything, just distances you from correctness.
that stating you don't choice your belief is an oxymoron. if people couldn't choice what they believe in than why do people debate? you can choice to believe in something because its morally right or you can choice to believe in something cause it makes you feel happy. either way its a choice.
@roiking2740 no sir, that's called being convinced. The reason for debate is to make arguments that convince those who agree. No one can *choose* what they are convinced of.
@@roiking2740to try and convince you to change your mind. It’s not like people are saying you should leave the debate with a completely different opinion. The idea is for you to reassess your beliefs.
I don’t think you can just choose what you believe.
@@joemiller7082 Believe can only be chosen sense it can not be proven therefor its an oxymoron that you do not choice your belief.
Alex is so intelligent that it seems difficult for him to imagine that the world is not full of people who understand the tenets of logic and rhetoric. To his credit, he learns from every interaction and that is worth a follow.
Believing in Santa makes me happy. I guess now he's real thank you.
Nobody pretends to believe in something to make themselves happy, unless they're somehow capable of actively deluding themselves. People pretend to believe in things to make other people happy. If you know that you don't believe a thing then no amount of pretending you believe it will make you actually believe it.
people are very capable of actively deluding themselves. suspension of disbelieve is a powerful thing, and you can totally convince yourself that something is real even if you’d know it to be false if you’d allow yourself to be more rational. for example, i know the physics of the universe don’t work to bring me opportunities to learn and grow from, but i’ve chosen to see things that way because it’s a more fun, productive and optimistic mindset, i very much believe in it throughout the day and it makes me happier, but if you were to ask me to bet money on whether it’s actually real i’d say it’s not
@@guyunger okay then. Right now, convince yourself that the president of the United States is Eminem. Can you do it? Thought not. You could say you do, but deep down inside you would know that it wasn't true. And if you can convince yourself that it is true, then you're not pretending to believe it, you actually believe it.
@@guyunger the example you've given proves yourself wrong 😂
You mean atheist who make up meaning and believe in it when it isn't real at all?
Cults have the ability to get followers to believe in certain things. Their methods cause delusional paranoid thinking.
Just believe you're rich, don't let the cashier tell you that you can't buy the entire shop because of your bank balance. Its the Cashiers ignorance that needs to change.
I dont believe in god, but this isnt how it is supoosed to work
@@thebatman7347dude i cant force myself to believe in god, its like forcing myself to believe in super powers, i mean they might exist but i dont personnally believe they do if i dont have at least some little evidence
@@Selma-lt6uu Some people can force themselves though. I'm pretty sure I could.
@@thefuturespast5981People don't actually forced themselves they actually pretend to believe in God because of some privileges and pleasure but that doesn't disprove God's existence.You can't call all your classmates a thief just because someone from ur class is a thief.
@@Selma-lt6uuforcing urself to believe in God is one of the worst thing to do,do not force yourself just search for evidences and if u do need some I could help but hey internet has better proof and explanation than me
so we are at the "we know its bullshit but it makes us happy" stage
The sheer confidence with which some people spew their irrationality is frankly concerning.
That just wouldn’t work. Trust me, I tried very hard to believe and couldn’t. I could not take anything or anyone in church seriously. I felt trapped and unhappy living a lie.
Some people are happy living in their fake world. Can't help. They're some scared mofo. No idea how are they even alive
what?? so u just became an atheist or what.
I just believe in God and despise all religion...I am an anti-religious monotheist.
@@perfectlittlerat Well, yes, I embrace atheism
I am in that stage rigth now, feeling miserable and sad and forcing my self from time to time, to belive in something that I don't want to. Since I was a boy I could see trought religion and people becouse I had the habit of reading and criticial thinking. So, what can I do to be happy and be free of all the horrible things people had told me for my way of thinking? I need help.
Sorry for my english.
It really boggles my mind how people think they can just choose what they believe. No matter how much I "choose" to believe or pretend that 1+1=3, i just can't be convinced of it
Well, if we switch the 2 for a 3, it's the solution.
/s
Looks like you haven't read 1984.
@@maxhuzen6329 bro that's not my point lol. Try for minute to GENUINELY believe for example that the moon is made of cheese, and tell me with a straight face that you actually -for fucking real- believe that and are convinced that it is so
I wonder if sheer desperation might not be a strong enough impetus to force human beings to make the leap into belief. For example, might not an everyday atheist mother find, upon the death of her child, that her only way to hold onto sanity is to leap into a belief in a heaven where her dead child now lives, awaiting her arrival.
Better than literally jumping off a cliff?
Islam _ 0≠1 (no god but The God)
Atheism _ 0=1 (nothing into something)
Trinitarianism _ 1=3 (3 in 1 transformers)
Hindusim _ 1=30'000'000 (God turning into a pig, a monkey, a cow, shivling and so on creations, mostly humanoid looking)
"Believing in god makes some people happy. Therefore, you can choose what to believe. Therefore, atheists should believe in god. Therefore, god exists."
Succinct summary of how every step of logic here makes no damn sense
He’s not arguing for god. He’s not even arguing that people should believe simply because it increases happiness. He’s attacking Alex’ moral worldview, which boils down to “increase overall happiness/wellbeing”, by pointing out how Alex’ moral worldview leads to this being the morally optimal action in a world where religion increases wellbeing.
@@ha.alamin That argument itself is already a red herring from the actual question at hand, god's existence. Belief isn't something you can assess based on happiness and then simply decide to do for the greater good. If one does see it that way, then that is something other than belief in what is true. Truth is not based on what is good, or what brings happiness. And to argue that one should believe something because it is morally good, is illogical.
This dude is a great example that you can fall for bullsh*t if you don't critically think.
"You can't choose what you believe". You're either persuaded or you're not.
Longer he talks sweeter the pitch
I think the only way someone could give themselves a belief is by brainwashing themselves, and calling that a choice is a little tricky. It's more like choosing the same thing thousands of times in the same way that living a particular way is about repeatedly making the same choice. It wouldn't be a single choice in time, but the same choice over and over again.
Either way its still a choice...
@@roiking2740 Can you choose to believe in ghosts?
@@tnghunter yes, that is literally the only way someone can believe in ghosts.
“Why not?”
The befuddlement from CS to that ignorant question was priceless. He is so good.
Belief is a Calculation not a Choice
I saw the other post, I’m a Catholic but you’re definitely in the right here. Just because a belief makes us happy doesn’t mean we should believe it. That’s how we get evil people
Close to it. The worst reason is to watch other people suffer and perpetuate that suffering. I'm sure there are some people for whom Hell is the biggest benefit.
Well, that was an interesting argument for a god.
"I admit defeat on everything, but..."
Only it's not really - the beard guy did a switcheroo where he swapped a discussion of "believing that God exists" to "propagating the illusion that God exists for practical reasons". While it may or may not be beneficial in relation to different alternatives, this is simply a different discussion altogether, which the other guy seemed to try and convey and the beard guy pretended he did not understand.
I've seen many discussions like this, and reverting to dishonesty is sadly a quite popular and quick move from the theist side.
Haha exactly, it’s the most juvenile thing to say, “whatever, I know my arguments are weaker and likely false but let’s say they’re true and you now lie to yourself and we can now live in eternal bliss. See, isn’t that better”?!
The point is, its quite pointless ro debate existence of God. You can choose to believe and gain some more life contentment or mope around and proclaim your high IQ at expense of happiness
@@scholaroftheworldalternatehist lol
so not believing in god makes u less happy ?
bullshit
Oh, this is the exact argument I had with my dad when I told him I was an atheist. Him saying you should just make yourself believe anyway, me explaining that I can't make myself believe things that I know not to be true (or rather, that I don't know to be true and have no evidence for), that impasse has held us back from being able to talk about it for about 8 years now, because it always comes down to that disconnect for both of us.
From my perspective, he's telling me to do something impossible and I'm explaining I can't, from his perspective, he's telling me to do something entirely reasonable and I'm refusing. Can't argue over whether one and one is two if you can't agree on what "One" or Two" or "Is" means, I guess.
I have a sudden respect for mathematicians who find proofs for the seemingly obvious and logisticians, too.
Edit: parentheses
“Be delusional” is a great argument for being religious because that’s exactly what it is- a delusion.
"You can't choose what you believe" love it!
Yes, for many religions this is already the end. It would be extremely unjust by some god to punish people for not believing if it's not a choice.
And this is obviously why theists don't know about this.
@@joerdimdont you think it’s NOT unjust because you were warned before?
@@pdr105 Read again. You didn't even get the point.
@@pdr105 Joel
@@pdr105 "you can either give me all your love, devotion and follow everything i tell you to do. OR you can get shot by my shotgun. The choice is yours."
This isn't "just". What would be just is giving people a true choice to believe. One which doesn't involve any coercion.
Because that is what a lot of christians tell their children, that you have to believe in god and pray and do all this shit otherwise you rot in hell for eternity.
That is not a choice, that is coercion.
IF that is the god you believe in, then you believe in an unjust and honestly straight up evil and egotistical god. No matter how you spin it, that depiction of god is in no way just or all loving.
That's strange. There are plenty of people who believe in God and who are very angry at unbelievers of their religion. If you are angry, you ain't happy.
I’ve experienced this too. The most dramatic and vociferous Christian in our extended family, can’t seem to shut up long enough to go out and just enjoy their one life it seems. They are constantly bringing up rather dumb religious rhetoric, even though we won’t engage them in it, only out of respect for their sister (our brother’s wife) and through the years, they have always seemed so stressed out, unhappy and worried as compared to us Atheist family members who just get out and enjoy life, so I don’t see any benefits in her life due to her religion.
I’d try to talk sense into her and her family, but they are just too far gone. I don’t know how my brother manages that side of the family, but he does because he is just so loveable, and he is loving and helpful to everyone one of them and he helps keeps his wife the sanest of that whole religious family group.
@@paddlefar9175 Must be so hard to bite your tongue.
“People take pleasure from knowing the truth”
Brilliant
Ive never been able to believe in God. Every time I tried, i realized that i was just lying to myself. My brain just will not accept this story.
He is right in the sense that people do delude themselves into believing stuff is true all the time. Though it is generally not a conscious choice though.
Yeah but they believe, which isn’t the same as pretending to belief which isn’t belief but pretending to.
@@colinross3755Agree. Like the smoker with emphysema who has worked hard to delude themselves that their cigarette smoking has taken no part in their emphysema. That person has spent a very long time combating and denying medical fact. They've scrubbed rationality out of that section of their brain.
And yet in the wee hours of the morning cold terror will strike sometimes and tell them the truth but by morning they can dismiss it.
@@nadinewhite993 yep the easiest person to convince or fool is yourself - many do, unfortunately.
I remember watching this a while ago - couldn't believe how patient you were being the whole time. They were playing games constantly.
Yeah, his endurance is fantastic!
He is right. People believe in what will make them happier instead of the truth all the time. Try tugging at the security blankets of people that still believe that the ‘system’ is still there looking out for them.
You know your position is worthless when you get to the point where "Pretending makes me feel better" feels like a valid argument to hammer on at length.
One can't just consciously delude oneself.
Yes you can, academic philosophers do that daily.
@@ExistenceUniversity Not sure what you mean.
@@Catofborealvalley Well Alex in this video has deluded himself into believing that Knowledge is a Justified True Belief. Which means he believes that knowledge needs a belief. Therefore he believes that he knows the definition of knowledge which he believes is a type of belief. He thus must know what a "belief" is, but to know is to believe, so he has a belief that knowledge is a belief. So to know what a belief is, means you must have a justification that it is a belief, that belief has to be true, and he has to believe it. So a belief is true and justified and believed so belief is known, which means he believes belief is true, justified and believed. Alex's philosophy is a belief without justification about knowledge being a belief with justification.
The people that tell you that you cannot believe without a reason, believe that without a reason. The philosopher that tells you that you cannot delude yourself has come to that conclusion because they deluded themselves into believing this "knowledge as a type of belief" philosophy.
@@ExistenceUniversity are you saying that all atheists are lying to themselves or something? Because they need to believe God does not exist therefore they have a belief that God exists, which is impossible because they don’t have beliefs?
@@justachilldude8426 No, I am an atheist myself. I am saying that there are different types of epistemology in philosophy and all but one struggle with the concept "knowledge". All these philosophies (which is the basis of Alex's argument in this video is his philosophy that Knowledge = Justified True Belief) hold a contradiction in their philosophy and the conclusions of that contradiction is that they have to then hold that belief cannot exist without reasons. It is from this deluded philosophical position that one concludes that one cannot delude themselves, however that conclusion is only possible by deluding yourself to it. So it is possible to delude yourself into believing something.
So in fact, I am saying the opposite of what you asked, I am saying that those who believe in god do not have to have any reason to do so. They just can and some of them just do. Atheists don't believe, or know that a god is not possible, that is not the same thing.
It really puts you on a trajectory to be completely insincere with yourself and the will grow to how you are sincere with others. That's really toxic
Alex got some next level patience, i could never💀😭
Exactly, you can't choose what to believe.
You can't and I can't, but some people can.
@@jamesc3505
No, they are either convinced or they are not.
That's not choosing the belief.
The problem arises when people are convinced for substandard reasons or evidence.
@@jamesc3505 If you have to choose to believe something, you already don't believe it, but you have decided to act as if you believe it. Then you lie to yourself and put your hands over your eyes or ears any time that contrary information is presented. Maybe eventually you forget, but until then, you don't actually believe it.
@@tschorschbut the fear is always present in them. And they start doing crazy stuff just so nobody tries to wake the from their delusion
Tecnically you can. There are two types of belief: one is about interpretation of insuficient evidence and the other is about emotional investment. To believe in God can mean 'to be invested in God' unlike 'to be convinced that the information is a factual description.'
For some reason this feels like the Monty Python Argument Clinic sketch. I could imagine it continuing like this:
"Belief in God makes people happy so you should choose to believe."
"You can't choose to believe, that wouldn't make me happy."
"...Have you considered choosing to believe it would make you happy?"
What’s weird about this argument is it’s the same argument many men in the ‘manosphere’ and self help world use. They say things like ‘the Greatest Men are religious’ and ‘religion gives you purpose’ as their primary reasons for being religious… which is a terrible argument because even if they’re right that doesn’t have anything to do with actual reality
“Just pretend so that you’re like us”.
Nah. I simply don’t believe and I can’t pretend that I do.
Tell him to believe Paris is the capital of England!
Oh, and there are only worst reasons to believe, no need to choose
Cosmic skeptic is like an MMA fighter against a dude who tries to fight using old kung fu and Chi stuff
I would suggest a dude who tries to use old kung fu stuff is much better equipped for a fight than a debater who asks "why can't I make category errors?"
"... that he saw on TV."
McDojo fighter*
Chi is using your breath for maximum power and speed, not some magical force. Boxers going "doosh" or making any sound as they punch is using chi.
Old kung fu fighters had fooking claws mate, their hands were useless for everything bar martial arts.
Their hands were riddled with arthritis by old age, rigid, rock solid paws.
They traded functional use of their hands for iron fists.
If an old chinese kung fu master hit you, not only would you not see it coming, you might actually die, it must have been like getting hit with a bat.
💯 I hope religious people understand this
An honest mind will not choose what to believe. An honest mind will believe on facts and evidence
"Why can't you just believe that 2+2=7?" - how religious people are baffled by atheists.
Not all religious people hold to that nonsense.
damn bro incredible use of the law of identity to disprove theological thought. I am truly astounded at your understanding of math.
@@killianmoran6697 I think he deserves the nobel prize for that one.
Same argument for atheists as well, The universe popping out of nothing and more than two genders. 😊
“You can't choose what you believe!“
“If i repeat a lie often enough...“
Sounds to me like its a similar situation than physical workout. In the beginning you are unmotivated and want to stop. If you do it for long enough it feels wrong if you don't do it or miss a session.
This is a point that needs to be more: you can not actually choose what to believe. You can lie to yourself, but it's a lie precisely because you don't believe it.
He basically said "a flattering lie is better than a painful truth"
And because of that, thus man knows nothing about reality
Unironically, in its original
meaning, took the blue pill.
I don't understand how one doesn't get a headache listening to this baseless logic all the time.
The last gasps of religion right there.
100%
Religion is inevitable
@@chazmcgooski83 Not to me and many others who think
@@chazmcgooski83 The only religion I'll ever consider is Satanism
Fear is the worst reason to believe in the biblical God.
I pretend to fly space ships in computer games - it does make me happier. But I don't quite believe that I'm actually flying space ships.
“Belief in god makes you happier, therefore pretending to believe in god makes you happier! 🙂 “
Uh, no that doesn’t follow. 🤨
Yes it does.
Happiness results from the actions of belief. Islam is built into our programming, copying the actions of Iman gives you pleasure even if you don't have Iman yourself.
Charity, patience, mindfulness/zikr, prayer/meditation, abstinence from alcohol, marriage, these are all scientific proven to increase happiness regardless of religious beliefs.
When I want to show my kids the problem with atheism, I don't go to theological arguments, I just point out how atheists live their lives compared to the muslims. The muslims have it so much better.
@@youtube_omaro1879you are either misunderstanding or misusing the term belief.
People who pretend or act like they believe ARE atheists. Because they are feigning belief. Atheism is not having belief. People who feign belief don’t actually have belief. It doesn’t matter at all what they pretend to have.
All of the things you get from Islam, I get without it. Religion isn’t the common denominator. A moral frame work is.
@@joemiller7082
Not all the things. You can get to one level, but the higher levels can't be reached without sincere belief.
An atheist may pray to be seen, he won't do Tahajjud. He may give charity, but he doesn't give as much. He may be a stoic, but he'll never have tawakkul.
There are levels of happiness and contentment in life that are not only unobtainable by atheists, but they are completely unaware of.
@@joemiller7082
I think we went on a tangent.
The original point was that pretending to believe makes you happier. Which I contend is true because pretending to believe requires a person to do things that make you happier.
@@youtube_omaro1879 I don’t agree with that at all because you know you’re pretending to believe. That’s literally lying to yourself. There are literally *millions* of examples of people who were suffering serious harm that receded when they *stopped* faking it and moved on and stopped worrying about that one thing.
You can contend all you want but it is *disproven* by tens of millions of miserable believers and extremely happy non believers. Funny enough, there is neither correlation NOR causation to bolster your point. It is basically a blind assertion. You can’t prove a higher level of happiness. You’re just saying it. I could “just say” the opposite.
There are lots of reasons people do things to make them happier. Believing in a god is just one of many, and it’s very common that people are literally just scared to say they don’t believe because they fear hell. Therefore you are *unjustified* in your assertion. That isn’t real happiness. That’s a hostage negotiation.
He even uploaded that to his own channel. What an absolute champ!
You mean chump.
And he probably thinks he nailed the debate.
Chump**
Did he really just try to say "people will pretend to believe in God because God is real"?
Once I realized what the truth was I could no more pretend to believe in god than I could pretend to be in love with and marry someone who repelled me. Even if I could for a little while it would never last - so why bother?! One can only fake for so long.
Did he just admit that he pretends to believe it? xD
He is probably still in his "fake it until you make it" phase. I wonder if all theists are still stuck in there...
@@joerdim he probably thinks that's the default theist's position, too. And hell, it just might be
Yep.
I’m going to stick to my tried and true policy of tuning out adults whom insist, “we have to pretend.”
Alex said "You can't choose what to believe" amen to that, that is why its evident that it is only possible that the Lord gives us grace to believe in the first place. Philippians 1:29, Ephesians 2:8-9, John 6:44, John 1:13. All these passages indicate that only through the Lords intervention do we ever believe in Him.
I'm at a loss to explain why Alex doesn't have a flat nose from constantly face-palming himself.
Thank you for this Cosmic. For awhile I’ve felt that you’ve mainly targeted Christianity due to the fact it’s easy. I like the versatility in also tackling other faiths especially Islam as too often I’ve come across Muslims who ignorantly make conclusions of the non religious and people of other beliefs
That was beautifully described. That's exactly how I felt throughout my twenties.
I was constantly conflicted because I could not continue believing my religion. It made me miserable and made me feel guilty all the time.
I'm much happier now as an atheist.
Infact the way these people use god to justify horrible things makes it even more difficult for me to believe in the ideology itself despite knowing the loopholes..
The difference is quite simple. Human rights are a social ideology to create a better world. Believing in God for happiness is as simple as taking drugs to feel good. But this is not a basis for a better, more educated and more successful society. Just for a slightly happier company (maybe). Besides, you don't have to believe in God to be happy. There are many other options and it is not a social obligation for a better world. Therefore it is difficult to claim that it can be considered a social ideology.
I don’t even think choosing to believe in god is possible. I think you could choose to try to believe. Eventually you may become convinced, but that is really just a “fake it til you make it” situation.
I like Tim Minchin's Storm poem and the part about believing that they can just fly out a window.
Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing
gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your
stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who
deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can
respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the
next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your
empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … Why
onyoua re empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are
obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like
them, and live with this constanlty fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos
where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how
much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what
people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw
away that empty bs cult called atheism that does not explain anything
and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone
trash people, liers as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and
stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash
worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you
will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will
escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are
also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss
ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your
miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and
miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it…
WHY?)...... Those people are so full of BS, and who deny it is a godless trash hipocrite.......
This clip has been doctored on other shorts to show Subbor wining the argument and shutting Alex down .
This shows the reality 😂
Problem is, your taking pleasure of believing in religion, can be at the cost of others; women's, lgbt's, animal's rights!
Very true.
People believing in religion is not a cost for women or lgbt people and animals don't have rights.
@@LOL-ev8ftfalse. Many people who are religious want to deny LGBT rights because it goes against their religious values (most obvious example being gay marriage). Same applies to women, especially in Islam.
@@LOL-ev8ftyes it is😂 islam even allows sex slaves
@@LOL-ev8ftanimals DO have rights.
‘Just pretend because it is beneficial’ is actually one of the better Muslim arguments I’ve heard, even if it was ‘borrowed’ from Jordan Peterson.
Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing
gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your
stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who
deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can
respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the
next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your
empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … Why
onyoua re empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are
obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like
them, and live with this constanlty fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos
where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how
much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what
people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw
away that empty bs cult called atheism that does not explain anything
and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone
trash people, liers as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and
stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash
worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you
will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will
escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are
also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss
ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your
miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and
miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it…
WHY?)...... Those people are so full of BS, and who deny it is a godless trash hipocrite.......
He forgot that a person who is doing that is really an atheist.
There you have it folks, they just pretend to believe in a god because it makes them feel good.
This is why Pascal's Wager doesn't work - because you can't just tell yourself to believe in something.
Alex is fucking handsome these days, innee? Even from the point of view of a straight guy like me. He's gonna be beating them off with a stick, if he isn't already.
Small correction: It's *one of* the reasons why Pascal's Wager doesn't work. The mathematics that the wager is based on also don't come close to actually working like this.
@@kappascopezz5122
Thanks!
By the way, when I say 'beating them off with a stick' I am not of course talking about mutual masturbation with a piece of wood. That would be silly.
I also agree, Alex these days has been looking dashing 😅. Is he alright taken? I'm a straight male by the way 😂
I mean, we know the reason. Churches provide community and yeah, humans are a social species so community helps you live longer.
This is why it is important to have secular communities that bring all people together, not just the people that subscribe to a specific religion.
@@htpkeywell this will only cause secularism to thrive and drive out people practising their religion, and maybe make them even more degenerate. And I will say this with 100% conviction that secularism and Religion cannot co-exist, it has caused much distress into our world.
@@sheikhrayan9538 Do you understand what "secularism" means? It doesn't mean anti-religion!
Secular just means indifferent to religious beliefs. So a secular government is not built on teachings from a religion (quran, bible, etc.), but on ideas that humans in that country consider important (liberty, equality, freedom of thought, etc.). You can still practise your religion in a secular country, but your religion is not going to dictate how other people will live their life. It will also not punish people based on rules invented by your religion. So secularism and religion can definitely co-exist, but you cannot have a country that is both secular and theocratic at the same time!
"It (secularism) has caused much distress to our world"
Can you list any distress that secularism has caused?
That may have been true in the past but isn't really anymore. If you look around the world, the countries with the highest life expectancy rates tend to be more secular and the countries with the lowest life expectancy rates tend to be more religious.
Churches can also rape, manipulate and exploit. Communities can be found everywhere, you just have to find the right community for you in which your feels safe and accepted. Religion is far from the only answer
I lived in denial for a long, long time. I pretended to believe in God and the Christian Church for years because it avoided conflict with my family and gave me a peaceful existence outwardly. But it's true, you can't choose what you truly believe. Because inwardly, I felt like I was rotting. The pretending and denial gave me the most wretched loss of my sense of self. I had no real peace. So yes, you can choose to pretend to believe, but you can't choose what you truly believe.
I can't believe Alex said "You can't choose what you believe"
Why is ignorance is bliss a saying? Im not saying I subscribe to it, but it does have utility in it. The fact that people can have cancer but having or not having that knowledge can be freeing for a person until it's time. I'm not trying to own anyone, just talking about utilities here
Subboor wants us to ignore the cancer that we already know exists inside us because it makes us happy.
@@brotherben4357 like I said, some cancers are inherently incurable, meaning it would lead to nihilism, so being ignorant of it actually could be a beneficial thing, not only for the person but for those surrounding him as well. This isn't analogous to God, this was, again, a statement to explore the utility of ignorance.
@@selfportrait8363Uncurable, but treatable. I've known multiple people who've had cancer and are still very much alive. If ignorance lead to their preventable deaths, I'd argue that it is in fact rather harmful.
"You can't choose what you believe." Amen 💀
Because facts arent something you choose
Real? What kind of stupid empty cult is this nothing offer nothing
gives, but empty BS? As God really cares about what you think and your
stupid philosophy empty words as godless alone trash person (anyone who
deny God is a godless alone trash person)… Another reason none can
respect you, you are a lier as any modern Goddenier.. And we hope the
next generation will be better then you and forget about you and your
empty stupid worthless atheism not even worst to clean my ass. … Why
onyoua re empty like it.
Then why only godless alone trash people are
obsessed with hell, while we are not? Another reason to do not be like
them, and live with this constanlty fear… What idiots!
For really you did not get those empty Videos
where godless alone people
constantly talk about God, showing their obsession, are made not to
help anyhow your godless alone life but to trap you into this empty
stupid cult called atheism they know we live in the time of stupidity
and godless trash people so they need to capture them as more as they
can.
They know you are the most stupid, weakest and alone people in
the face of earth and they need to take advantages on you. They know you
run anytime you see godless ass to kiss it. That what this empty BS
cult atheism make you be, without God and without dignity. But let see
how you are in trapped in this cult: Let see how many godless rats are
here with their empty words and life, just as their cult called atheism.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God
when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth,
stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created
them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is
what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone
trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as
anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those
godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and
worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who
thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him.
No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are
also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone
person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you
lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh
anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you
are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What
trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be
judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless
empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if
they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't
be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless
is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as
the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid
empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer
or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very
weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless
trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their
worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel.
WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt
CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:...
those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with
less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak
people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an
obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No
Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty,
(they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit
they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them.
(They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will
accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots).. those who say there is
no God will pay for it, soon or later... No won't be a godless alone
trash person into an empty cult not even good for my ass such atheism,
that offers them nothing. But emptiness and lonlyness for their
miserabile godless alone life. No respect for them. They are just empty
as their cult called atheism. But they will pay this soon or later, and
all the emptiness for nothing they are facing in their ridicolous
miserable alone life! It is time to throw on the trash empty atheism and
godless alone trash people, they are not even worthless to clean shit.
You can not respect them and their emptiness! It is over for you, trash
is not even good to clean you of all this atheism BS. No respect for
you. Let's really hope we can have a better generation and forget this
godless alone trash one as quickly as possible. IT IS OVER, it is time
for you and this nosense called atheism to go back from the nothing you
come from. No respect for you. You will pay all this shit, soon or
later...
Today I will put your BS atheism in the toilet and flash it
and you godless alone will shut up, ok? You are worthless and empty as
your stupid cult. No respect for you.... This is the worst, weakest,
empty generation, and when it will be over with their stupid empty cult
called atheism none will complain it. IT'S IS OVER, godless alone
trash.... Those godless alone poor people are playing with the fire, and
they will pay for it, and even badly........
They are so
desperate and frustrated in and empty stupid life... No sorry for you.
Let's hope in the next generation, let's hope in a better generation,
and let's forget this one and trhow it on the trash with their stupid,
nosense cult called atheism that will lead them anywhere. No respect for
you again..... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GODLESS ALONE TRASH PEOPLE AND
YOUR EMPTY STUPID ATHEISM NOT EVEN GOOD TO CLEAN THE DIRTIEST TOILET IN
THE WORLD... You got no peace over there (and if God is real you will be
and are f.... up.. You godless alone people are so weak).........
God
will care about you as well, poor person.... (you life is more
miserable and empty without God, but you are so patetic to realize it).
NO respect for you and your empty cult called atheism....... You are
just frutrated,obsessed, miserable, alone godless person that does
deserve any kind of respect, just to be so. (Lier as any
Godenier)....... IT IS OVER FOR YOU GUYS, YOU AND YOUR STUPID EMPTY CULT
ATHEISM That does not even deserve my piss….. all this just show how
much those godless trash people are frustrated (to do not have what
people have sacred and holly) no respect for them. it is time to throw
away that empty bs cult called atheism that does not explain anything
and it is not even good to clean the dirtiest toilet. Godless alone
trash people, liers as an any Goddenier, dishonest and the worst and
stupidest generation ever had. Let’s froget about this godless trash
worthless generation and waiting for a better one. (By the way you
will be judge as anyone alse once death by God, do not think you will
escape because you deny him, as a godless alone rat as you are (You are
also a disgusting godless ass kisser, that anytime you see a godlesss
ass you run to kiss it. because you got no God and no dignity in your
miserable godless life) NO RESPECT FOR YOU (your life is more empty and
miserable without God, but you are the only fool to do not get it…
WHY?)...... Those people are so full of BS, and who deny it is a godless trash hipocrite.....
"Be delusional" is the Islamic way.
It makes me happy to believe that Sherlock Holmes was real. That doesn't make him real.
Make believe is fun yay
Yes. I make myself happy by forcing myself to pretend-believe something that deep down feels like a lie. I also love it when men tell me to smile when I am experiencing other thoughts or emotions they are not aware of. Oh, and I fix problems in my relationships by pretending the problems aren’t really there.
It still surprises me that people can’t grasp the simple fact that you don’t choose what you believe.
I am pretending that Trump isn't the anti Christ. I feel better now.