What I find fascinating is that even after two atomic bombs and the invasion of Manchuria by the Soviets, there were still those in the Japanese government who felt that they could win with a final big battle...that had been shown time and time again to not work.
It's an element of Japanese culture, I think. These days they're generally self-aware about how that's often a bad idea, but they do acknowledge it even today. Just look at not just anime but modern Japanese media of all kinds.
> The aim was to negotiate conditions to the Potsdam ultimatum. And, in the end, the United States did accept the idea that the emperor would remain in his nominal role and position. That was a condition won by continued Japanese resistance. And it was also a recognition by the United States that accepting this condition, even informally, would aid in obtaining the real surrender of the Japanese military and the acceptance of allied occupation. Indeed, I would say that accepting the continued role of the emperor was one of the masterstrokes that made the American occupation of Japan perhaps the most successful military occupation of a defeated nation in world history.
They didn't think that they exactly had to win the big battle. They just thought that they could inflict enough casualties so that the soft Americans would negotiate a peace treaty with them, something like the Treaty of Versailles, with the militaristic Japanese govt still running its own affairs, no American occupation of Japan, and the Japanese running their own (sham) war crimes trials. That was what they considered a big win.
@@SeattlePioneer General Douglas MacArthur deserves great credit for his deft handling of postwar Japan. He stood firmly behind the idea of retaining Emperor Hirohito as figurehead of the Japanese nation, while affirming the position of the USA and its allies as the new rulers of Japan and installing a new constitution for the country.
What the war mongers missed was that the bloodier the invasion of Japan cost the U. S. the harsher the terms of peace would have been. The Japanese completely misjudged the U.S. assuming they were weak, and they suffered from hubris.
"...the U.S. assuming they were weak..." They were correct in believe the US was adverse to taking casualties, they just didn't follow this to the logical conclusion to how far the US would go to avoiding them. "A 21-year-old American second lieutenant recalled, “When the bombs dropped and news began to circulate that [the invasion of Japan] would not, after all, take place, that we would not be obliged to run up the beaches near Tokyo assault-firing while being mortared and shelled, for all the fake manliness of our facades we cried with relief and joy. We were going to live. We were going to grow up to adulthood after all.”
The "U" inside a triangle with a (presumably) red rudder shows the planes in the image are from the 462nd bomb group, 58th bomb wing, operating out of Tinian from April 1944.
The during and after effects of the bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki and an internal view of high ranking Japanese Cabinet members. Diehard generals and admirals pride have cost the lives of millions. Hitler wanted his troops to die until the last man standing while he committed suicide. Praise God for men of reason who care about the lives of people and future of the nation.
I am utterly convinced that, without these proofs that the US had nuclear weapons and would use them, the Russian Army in Eastern Europe would not have stopped at the agreed-to demarcation lines, but would have pushed into West Germany and Austria. I saw another video where a US veteran recounted that he had been posted at the eastern border of Denmark, to make sure the Russians did not try to take over that country. Anyone familiar with Stalin's policies and thinking can easily see that Russian would have loved to take over the entirety of Europe, and that the Russian army had the men and equipment to do so.
I think you overestimate the ability of the Red Army to do anything at this stage. The battles before and for Berlin had been a monumental struggle as its overstretched supply lines began to take their toll. The Red army was exhausted as were the allies in the West.
People condemn America for dropping those bombs. But a blockade by America would have assured 1 million dead Japanese civilians by starvation. Soldiers were living on 1 bowl of rice a day. The lucky ones. In the end fewer people died because of those bombs than would have, with conventional methods.
The process of surrender was underway at the time of the bombing of Nagasaki. It was unnecessary and did not contribute to the decision to accept the Potsdam Declaration, which had already been made. The story of how the surrender pkayed out can be found in the history Japan's Longest Day, published in English by Kodansha International.
USA Bonbing Survey are public records at any federal repository library..that bonving survey would weite the toroedo factory was so small that it could easily have not seen from plane
My dad was in the morning weather recon B-29 that passed over Nagaski. The crew was pissed because it was the second mission in a row, they'd flown without dropping bombs. In the first they'd dropped leaflets warning of future cities to be bombed. Just flying in a B-29 was risky enough and being required to fly to Japan and not do lethal damage was asking a lot. They were new arrivals on Tinian with only 7 previous missions and were being allowed to gather some experience rather than assign crews with many more missions.
Sir, Thank you for sharing such a powerful and personal story about your dad's experience during the war. It's incredible to hear about the bravery and dedication of the crew, especially considering the risks they faced flying over Nagasaki. The decision to conduct weather reconnaissance missions instead of dropping bombs must have been difficult for them, but it speaks to the complexities and moral dilemmas of wartime operations. Your dad and his crew's willingness to gather experience and contribute to the war effort in whatever capacity required is truly admirable. Their sacrifices and contributions will always be remembered and honored.
Was the toroedo factory employing 130,000 really..?? Nagasaki was a secondary target placed 7th two weeks before it was bombed. Ww2 usa admiral Halsey autobiography clamied Japan was near defeat even without atomic bombing and mass bombing.it was going towards famine.its navy was 95% on the bottom of ocean 6months before.Russia was going to declare war against japan one day after Nagasaki.
The invasion of Japan would be totally unnecessary as it could be surrounded and totally blockaded. The food production capability could be reduced by air assault by at least 95%. So then the whole population could have been reduced by 95% in less than four months through starvation. The USA wanted to demonstrate to Russia they had the bomb. That is the only reason it was used. ..
Millions dead of starvation….or tens of thousands dead from conventional and nuclear weapons. That doesn’t count the thousands of dead American servicemen killed during the invasion of the Japanese mainland. The Japanese would NOT have surrendered without the absolute devastation demonstrated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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The explanation of the debate in Tokyo about surrender shows definitively the claim that the atomic bombs were not necessary just how vital they were.
What I find fascinating is that even after two atomic bombs and the invasion of Manchuria by the Soviets, there were still those in the Japanese government who felt that they could win with a final big battle...that had been shown time and time again to not work.
It's an element of Japanese culture, I think. These days they're generally self-aware about how that's often a bad idea, but they do acknowledge it even today. Just look at not just anime but modern Japanese media of all kinds.
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The aim was to negotiate conditions to the Potsdam ultimatum.
And, in the end, the United States did accept the idea that the emperor would remain in his nominal role and position. That was a condition won by continued Japanese resistance. And it was also a recognition by the United States that accepting this condition, even informally, would aid in obtaining the real surrender of the Japanese military and the acceptance of allied occupation.
Indeed, I would say that accepting the continued role of the emperor was one of the masterstrokes that made the American occupation of Japan perhaps the most successful military occupation of a defeated nation in world history.
They were the elite that wouldn't have to fight with a bamboo spear.
They didn't think that they exactly had to win the big battle. They just thought that they could inflict enough casualties so that the soft Americans would negotiate a peace treaty with them, something like the Treaty of Versailles, with the militaristic Japanese govt still running its own affairs, no American occupation of Japan, and the Japanese running their own (sham) war crimes trials.
That was what they considered a big win.
@@SeattlePioneer General Douglas MacArthur deserves great credit for his deft handling of postwar Japan. He stood firmly behind the idea of retaining Emperor Hirohito as figurehead of the Japanese nation, while affirming the position of the USA and its allies as the new rulers of Japan and installing a new constitution for the country.
Just enthralling! Those who don't know and understand history are condemned to relive it!
What the war mongers missed was that the bloodier the invasion of Japan cost the U. S. the harsher the terms of peace would have been. The Japanese completely misjudged the U.S. assuming they were weak, and they suffered from hubris.
"...the U.S. assuming they were weak..."
They were correct in believe the US was adverse to taking casualties, they just didn't follow this to the logical conclusion to how far the US would go to avoiding them. "A 21-year-old American second lieutenant recalled, “When the bombs dropped and news began to circulate that [the invasion of Japan] would not, after all, take place, that we would not be obliged to run up the beaches near Tokyo assault-firing while being mortared and shelled, for all the fake manliness of our facades we cried with relief and joy. We were going to live. We were going to grow up to adulthood after all.”
The "U" inside a triangle with a (presumably) red rudder shows the planes in the image are from the 462nd bomb group, 58th bomb wing, operating out of Tinian from April 1944.
J-Day, the initial landing date for Tinian, was July 24, 1944. Bomb wings had to wait until the Island was subdued and the airfields were constructed.
The during and after effects of the bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki and an internal view of high ranking Japanese Cabinet members. Diehard generals and admirals pride have cost the lives of millions. Hitler wanted his troops to die until the last man standing while he committed suicide. Praise God for men of reason who care about the lives of people and future of the nation.
I am utterly convinced that, without these proofs that the US had nuclear weapons and would use them, the Russian Army in Eastern Europe would not have stopped at the agreed-to demarcation lines, but would have pushed into West Germany and Austria. I saw another video where a US veteran recounted that he had been posted at the eastern border of Denmark, to make sure the Russians did not try to take over that country. Anyone familiar with Stalin's policies and thinking can easily see that Russian would have loved to take over the entirety of Europe, and that the Russian army had the men and equipment to do so.
I think you overestimate the ability of the Red Army to do anything at this stage. The battles before and for Berlin had been a monumental struggle as its overstretched supply lines began to take their toll. The Red army was exhausted as were the allies in the West.
@@SeanHogan_frijole Agreed. The German army was Literally down to old men and boys in Berlin, and the Soviets still had a hard time taking that city.
People condemn America for dropping those bombs. But a blockade by America would have assured 1 million dead Japanese civilians by starvation. Soldiers were living on 1 bowl of rice a day. The lucky ones. In the end fewer people died because of those bombs than would have, with conventional methods.
The process of surrender was underway at the time of the bombing of Nagasaki. It was unnecessary and did not contribute to the decision to accept the Potsdam Declaration, which had already been made. The story of how the surrender pkayed out can be found in the history Japan's Longest Day, published in English by Kodansha International.
USA Bonbing Survey are public records at any federal repository library..that bonving survey would weite the toroedo factory was so small that it could easily have not seen from plane
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My dad was in the morning weather recon B-29 that passed over Nagaski. The crew was pissed because it was the second mission in a row, they'd flown without dropping bombs. In the first they'd dropped leaflets warning of future cities to be bombed. Just flying in a B-29 was risky enough and being required to fly to Japan and not do lethal damage was asking a lot. They were new arrivals on Tinian with only 7 previous missions and were being allowed to gather some experience rather than assign crews with many more missions.
Sir, Thank you for sharing such a powerful and personal story about your dad's experience during the war. It's incredible to hear about the bravery and dedication of the crew, especially considering the risks they faced flying over Nagasaki. The decision to conduct weather reconnaissance missions instead of dropping bombs must have been difficult for them, but it speaks to the complexities and moral dilemmas of wartime operations. Your dad and his crew's willingness to gather experience and contribute to the war effort in whatever capacity required is truly admirable. Their sacrifices and contributions will always be remembered and honored.
V ideo is nuts.....keeps saying "Fat Man" .... which had already been dropped on Hiroshima
Little Boy (uranium gun bomb) was dropped on Hiroshima. Fat Man (plutonium implosion bomb) was dropped on Nagasaki.
This is hard to listen to.
Was the toroedo factory employing 130,000 really..?? Nagasaki was a secondary target placed 7th two weeks before it was bombed. Ww2 usa admiral Halsey autobiography clamied Japan was near defeat even without atomic bombing and mass bombing.it was going towards famine.its navy was 95% on the bottom of ocean 6months before.Russia was going to declare war against japan one day after Nagasaki.
The invasion of Japan would be totally unnecessary as it could be surrounded and totally blockaded. The food production capability could be reduced by air assault by at least 95%. So then the whole population could have been reduced by 95% in less than four months through starvation.
The USA wanted to demonstrate to Russia they had the bomb. That is the only reason it was used.
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You are Monday morning quarterback on the grandest scale
@@tonybanke3560 It is what we all do. Historians, history buffs and casual observers. If you don't agree with me then say why.
Millions dead of starvation….or tens of thousands dead from conventional and nuclear weapons. That doesn’t count the thousands of dead American servicemen killed during the invasion of the Japanese mainland. The Japanese would NOT have surrendered without the absolute devastation demonstrated at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
That would have been so much more humane🙄@@goobfilmcast4239
Monday morning quarterbacking 78 years later. You don't know what you are talking about.