My daughter is an older teen and would go to all 81 home games if she could. It's like pulling teeth to get friends her age to have even some interest the sport of baseball, even when offered free tickets. Most young people don't even know how the game is played any more.
Why doesn't the Twins organization make a deal with WCCO Tv like in the past and broadcast across the entire Midwest, wouldn't that generate more income than a direct streaming service?
These are figures that the twins fans need to know: 130 million (next year’s payroll, 93.8 million (guaranteed amount for Buxton, Correa, Lopez and Vazquez), 35 million (projected arbitration salaries for the 14 Twins eligible for arbitration like Castro, Duran, Ober, Eyan, Jeffers, Larnach, Jax etc.) Total that up that’s 130 million payroll and 128.8 in salaries. Even waving good bye to Kepler, Santana, Farmer, Margot and Thielbar you have a ‘whopping’ 1.2 million total to spend on free agents. That would buy you one bottom of the bottom barrel reliever. BUT you have to also pay major league minimum contracts for Lewis, Lee, Festa, Matthews, Miranda, probably E Rodriguez, Wallner etc. That means the Twins are already over the 130 million mark. Unless the Twins move 1 of the Big 3 there won’t be ANY free agents coming in if the payroll stays at 130.
When I was a kid in the 90s and we had a recent world series championship, the metrodome, Kirby Fucking Puckett, etc. There were more Yankees and Dodgers hats than Twins hats. Do we think that has changed with the introduction of Shohei, Judge, and Joe Pohlad?
If they can’t stream at least a five state area it will help little. If they can a fan base will increase nicely by the third year for sure unless THEY CUT PAYROLL SO BAD THAT ITS A RACE FOR LAST PLACE !
That's feasible over time, the Twins are a regional team that covers over five states. The issue becomes public representation where the Pohlad's look like pure evil and out reach which the organization lacks.
Bold of you to assume people will want to watch after they slash payroll again. Ohhhh wait, Joe promised he wouldn't before evading any further probing.
500,000 subscribers might be a little ambitious. Mackey mentioned that the Padres had 40,000 subscribers this year. the 2 metro areas are similar in term of population. San Diego is about 3.2 million, and TC metro is about 3.6 million. You're talking over 10 times more subscribers than San Diego in about the same market size. Not likely.
This is the definition of way too little, way too late. No one wants to spend any money on a team that is actively and, more importantly, openly, not trying to win.
The Twins have no outreach to the communities in the five state region, so this deal cuts down their viewership even further which will allow the pohlad's to reduce even more payroll.
WCCO does have an App, why aren't the Pohlad's willing to work with local markets in five states. Honestly, why isn't this being asked by Skor North after the radio deal?
Oh shit, they're somehow gonna have LESS money with this new TV deal? They'll still find a way to pocket more money lmao but yea, let's just assume that $50,000,000 hit is gonna come straight from payroll.
@@andrewaaberg482the pohlad's said it, this tv deal will have nothing to do with the "current" payroll so they are out right pocketing the money. In fact, this signals more payroll cuts.
Greed from the owners and players have totally ruined sports!! The average person can’t afford these crazy ticket and concession prices along with the lunacy cable subscription rates. I used to be a huge sports fan but now like a lot others I am done. Most people are living from check to check and find it difficult to pay for their mortgage, insurance, groceries and fuel. When will this insanity end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
San Diego is relatively the same size market as the Twins in the Twin cities, the 4 million dollar revenue the Padres made last year gives us the fans a good idea what's coming.
"It's great for the fans to watch the games, but it's not great if you want to pay another player $30 million a year, that ain't gonna happen for the Twins". So the implication here seems to be that this is bad competitively for the Twins. But half or more than half of the league is going through this, and revenue sharing still exists to balance between teams that generate higher revenue and teams that don't. So the effect this will likely have is reduce the amount of money that players can get on the open market. If I'm wrong then please correct me. If not, why is this bad for the fans? The Twins might have to pay a player $125 million over 5 years instead of $150 million, and players will sign for that because there isn't going to be enough competition with revenues down across the league with the new TV model to get the $150 million. Again if I'm wrong please correct me, but otherwise I don't find the doom and gloom about moving away from an outdated bloated TV model that exploits fans to be warranted.
If we're really honest with ourselves, it's probably not much different for the Twins. Pohlads are gonna be non-competetive regardless, this just makes them White Sox rivals
@@andrewaaberg482 Well, I don't think spending more money is going to fix their problems, if that's the suggestion. Unless they try to spend like the Dodgers.
There is no incentive for major ball clubs to do what you want, it's in their best interest to keep the current structure as small clubs can't compete with them.
@@benjames4502 Except there's revenue sharing and luxury tax thresholds. Don't get me wrong, I'm for salary caps too, but it's not like TV distribution is going to radically impact competitiveness.
I imagine they would make additional money from ads on the service, not just the subscription fee. Though I’m not an expert on ad revenue, so if there aren’t many subscribers maybe there’s not much additional revenue there.
Why a public TV deal works better, contracts are based on ad revenue. If the Twins were a good product who reach into five states, the organization should generate better revenue than any streaming service directly as everyone has access.
Makes sense. Wasn’t sure if it could be incorporated into commercial breaks between innings. Haven’t seen how it works for the teams currently doing it. Like if they’re doing commercials or if it’s just a “be right back” type screen
@@nickhanzlik2248it would mean the team and the Pohlad's would have to interact with the communities themselves, players would have to give local endorsements and access. I would think this would grow the Twins product better, honestly what do I know?
Does mlb get the money from the add revenue from the twins tv plan or do the twins? Or is it split between the two of them I live out of market so I have had a mlb subscription to watch the twins games. I’m tired of watching the same stupid national adds. It would be cool if the twins had the ability to sell add space to local businesses for revenue. If they cut payroll again I’m going to lose it.
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My daughter is an older teen and would go to all 81 home games if she could. It's like pulling teeth to get friends her age to have even some interest the sport of baseball, even when offered free tickets. Most young people don't even know how the game is played any more.
last year i was able to stream the twins last year for the last part of the season living in texas
My head just exploded listening to this. How did it get so complicated to watch Twins baseball.
Why doesn't the Twins organization make a deal with WCCO Tv like in the past and broadcast across the entire Midwest, wouldn't that generate more income than a direct streaming service?
WCCO most likely cannot afford it. Local TV is a dying business model.
@@Reid_Jorgensen4 million dollars contract to cover 5 states, what are you talking about? Son, that's cheap in any market.
Is WCCO available online? We don’t have cable so if it’s not streaming then we wouldn’t be able to watch. I like this idea of streaming Twins games.
@@dylank.4498yes, Amazon echo has an app for WCCO
@benjames4502 if WCCO could have, they would have. They are not the future, streaming reaches a much wider audience.
These are figures that the twins fans need to know:
130 million (next year’s payroll, 93.8 million (guaranteed amount for Buxton, Correa, Lopez and Vazquez), 35 million (projected arbitration salaries for the 14 Twins eligible for arbitration like Castro, Duran, Ober, Eyan, Jeffers, Larnach, Jax etc.)
Total that up that’s 130 million payroll and 128.8 in salaries. Even waving good bye to Kepler, Santana, Farmer, Margot and Thielbar you have a ‘whopping’ 1.2 million total to spend on free agents. That would buy you one bottom of the bottom barrel reliever.
BUT you have to also pay major league minimum contracts for Lewis, Lee, Festa, Matthews, Miranda, probably E Rodriguez, Wallner etc.
That means the Twins are already over the 130 million mark.
Unless the Twins move 1 of the Big 3 there won’t be ANY free agents coming in if the payroll stays at 130.
You know the Pohlad's will use this to implode the team?
Trevor bauer would pitch for league minimum!
When I was a kid in the 90s and we had a recent world series championship, the metrodome, Kirby Fucking Puckett, etc. There were more Yankees and Dodgers hats than Twins hats. Do we think that has changed with the introduction of Shohei, Judge, and Joe Pohlad?
If they can’t stream at least a five state area it will help little. If they can a fan base will increase nicely by the third year for sure unless THEY CUT PAYROLL SO BAD THAT ITS A RACE FOR LAST PLACE !
500,000 subs at 20 per month =10 million per month
Average 6 months of subscription = 60 million to be split
They need at least a million subscribers.
That's feasible over time, the Twins are a regional team that covers over five states. The issue becomes public representation where the Pohlad's look like pure evil and out reach which the organization lacks.
Bold of you to assume people will want to watch after they slash payroll again.
Ohhhh wait, Joe promised he wouldn't before evading any further probing.
500,000 subscribers might be a little ambitious. Mackey mentioned that the Padres had 40,000 subscribers this year. the 2 metro areas are similar in term of population. San Diego is about 3.2 million, and TC metro is about 3.6 million. You're talking over 10 times more subscribers than San Diego in about the same market size. Not likely.
This is the definition of way too little, way too late. No one wants to spend any money on a team that is actively and, more importantly, openly, not trying to win.
The Twins have no outreach to the communities in the five state region, so this deal cuts down their viewership even further which will allow the pohlad's to reduce even more payroll.
Just starting the episode but hopefully he commented on that BRUTAL Star Tribune piece.
I’m just worried this will hurt competition and we will see east west coast teams just dominate
Nothing will change for the Pohlad mob! The Twins team and the fans will lose!
Pohlads are selling the team, fresh off the presses today!
WCCO does have an App, why aren't the Pohlad's willing to work with local markets in five states. Honestly, why isn't this being asked by Skor North after the radio deal?
lol it means the Pohlads will be able to pocket more money. Don't get hyped, they've shown you what they'll do with revenue lmao.
Oh shit, they're somehow gonna have LESS money with this new TV deal?
They'll still find a way to pocket more money lmao but yea, let's just assume that $50,000,000 hit is gonna come straight from payroll.
@@andrewaaberg482the pohlad's said it, this tv deal will have nothing to do with the "current" payroll so they are out right pocketing the money. In fact, this signals more payroll cuts.
Greed from the owners and players have totally ruined sports!! The average person can’t afford these crazy ticket and concession prices along with the lunacy cable subscription rates. I used to be a huge sports fan but now like a lot others I am done. Most people are living from check to check and find it difficult to pay for their mortgage, insurance, groceries and fuel. When will this insanity end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Twins already cut close to $30M. What they have to make up is $20-25M.
Let's be honest, this deal allows the Pohlad's to cut payroll even further.
Random Twin played for 5 teams, not 4.
They should get Trevor bauer he can still pitch & would cost nexta nothing!
I still don't trust them to backtrack this for $20 mil
San Diego is relatively the same size market as the Twins in the Twin cities, the 4 million dollar revenue the Padres made last year gives us the fans a good idea what's coming.
"It's great for the fans to watch the games, but it's not great if you want to pay another player $30 million a year, that ain't gonna happen for the Twins".
So the implication here seems to be that this is bad competitively for the Twins. But half or more than half of the league is going through this, and revenue sharing still exists to balance between teams that generate higher revenue and teams that don't. So the effect this will likely have is reduce the amount of money that players can get on the open market. If I'm wrong then please correct me. If not, why is this bad for the fans? The Twins might have to pay a player $125 million over 5 years instead of $150 million, and players will sign for that because there isn't going to be enough competition with revenues down across the league with the new TV model to get the $150 million. Again if I'm wrong please correct me, but otherwise I don't find the doom and gloom about moving away from an outdated bloated TV model that exploits fans to be warranted.
If we're really honest with ourselves, it's probably not much different for the Twins. Pohlads are gonna be non-competetive regardless, this just makes them White Sox rivals
@@andrewaaberg482 Well, I don't think spending more money is going to fix their problems, if that's the suggestion. Unless they try to spend like the Dodgers.
There is no incentive for major ball clubs to do what you want, it's in their best interest to keep the current structure as small clubs can't compete with them.
@@benjames4502 Except there's revenue sharing and luxury tax thresholds. Don't get me wrong, I'm for salary caps too, but it's not like TV distribution is going to radically impact competitiveness.
I imagine they would make additional money from ads on the service, not just the subscription fee. Though I’m not an expert on ad revenue, so if there aren’t many subscribers maybe there’s not much additional revenue there.
Why a public TV deal works better, contracts are based on ad revenue. If the Twins were a good product who reach into five states, the organization should generate better revenue than any streaming service directly as everyone has access.
Makes sense. Wasn’t sure if it could be incorporated into commercial breaks between innings. Haven’t seen how it works for the teams currently doing it. Like if they’re doing commercials or if it’s just a “be right back” type screen
@@nickhanzlik2248it would mean the team and the Pohlad's would have to interact with the communities themselves, players would have to give local endorsements and access. I would think this would grow the Twins product better, honestly what do I know?
Does mlb get the money from the add revenue from the twins tv plan or do the twins? Or is it split between the two of them I live out of market so I have had a mlb subscription to watch the twins games. I’m tired of watching the same stupid national adds. It would be cool if the twins had the ability to sell add space to local businesses for revenue. If they cut payroll again I’m going to lose it.