Reminder: Meltzer gave Andre vs Hogan at WM3 minus 3 stars because "The workrate was poor" Now suddenly all that matters is if the (small) crowd reacted in any way
@@tomvu1470 Not quite, although he still has too many. WWE since 2000: 15 Moxley: 6 8 wrestlers individually have more 5+ star matches than WWE since 2000, and Akira Taue also has 15.
You’re right. The biggest problem is that even if Jericho and the Bucks were gone Tony would still be there. So the biggest problem will never be gone.
Just remember, Jericho is the guy who broke his own arm practicing a shooting star press before a sold out Smoky Mountain show. Then or now, he ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
But Dave would defend it with his life. I think Tony is reader of Dirt Sheets and Aew is entirely built on Meltzer's philosophy how wrestling should be and the promotion needs to be run. And it's not working at all. Only a small portion of audience would watch wrestling Matches without any build up, character, promos and storylines.
@@Hypno_BPM Do you actually listen to the words coming out of their mouths? They go on and on about Dave making zero coherent sentences, bumbling and then starting a sentence 18 different ways.. " Well it's like, If you take six or seven, where Tony is looking at things or from the outside people, you're not thinking about blagh blagh." He's talked for 30 seconds and no one knows what the hell he's trying to say and laugh their backsides off. In the last 3 or 4 weeks. Alvarez has been gold and saying that Dave makes no sence. Even though I didn't reference him at all and only said Dave.. My post stands and you point out a mistake that isn't there is.... Yeah.
A friend and I used to call wrestling our "soap operas for the guys" when his wife would ask us why we were watching it. She got to watch her Soap Operas and we got our Raw & Smackdown. 🤷♂️
I don't even understand why we even still compare WWE to AEW WWE is a way better product point blank period . Much love to this podcast keep it up guys .
Ikr? AEW has only been around for 5 or so years, but came out talking smack because that's what TK thought he should do, because it's pro wrestling. He's made so many similar mistakes. I see it as a mark with his own promotion, every mistake he's made is stuff I thought was cool when I was a kid and think is dumb now lol. He needs real brains in there with him or without him. The more wrestling on TV the better, so I'd like to see it work out
Time to put AEW in the corner. Turn our backs and stop talking about them unless something actually happens. Jim and Brians quarterly breakdown should be the only upload until it's inevitable closure.
I think the problem is when Tony Khan said "sports based wrestling" he meant the matches were the story, the reason we are having the match is because we are wrestlers and we wrestle forgetting that the reason wrestling became a work is so you could control the narrative and tell a story. What everyone else thought it meant was wrestling where the story enhanced the matches but the match was the focus not the story.
When Dutch was talking about heels coming in to challenge Lawlor I was picturing big intimidating men. If AEW used that formula half the time it would be small guys that don't look like wrestlers.
U got guys who get hurt working for other companies, u got a booker who won’t refuse to let them work for other companies and u got other companies belts being pushed on ur company on tv. They have 4 separate shows (including ROH) which settles whatever angles on a PPV that fewer and fewer ppl are watching making AEW a complete joke. Moxley has a Japanese belt and Jericho has a ECW belt. Why?
Its about the story with wrestling as the backdrop as Dutch said. You cared about the boxing match in Rocky cause you were invested in the character leading to it, otherwise it would just be the 20 minute fight instead of a 2 hour movie. The issue with Dave is he doesnt acknowledge his bias, which we all have, its natural. Dave prefers Japanese style, and likes move for move. So he bases all his ratings off that, and discounts alot of the drama/story telling/spectacle of a match. To me thats the difference between understanding the business itself and wanting it to be what it isnt. Its about who gets over, whether its from a persona, a match, promo, etc and makes people care and draws money/ratings, Dave wants it to be match "quality" first, cause he likes it. Hulk Hogan is not the greatest "wrestler", yet he is one of the biggest stars in the history of wrestling. Wwe promotes stars/storylines and Aew promotes wrestlers/matches, who's number one and who's ratings are falling week after week.
Maybe The Elite's hostile takeover, but so far it's not hitting because they don't have anyone believable to represent the company. No Cody, no Kenny, no Punk, the BCC haven't looked like a true stable in forever, FTR have lost a lot of steam, Ospreay and Swerve are luckily in a different angle and don't really fit as saviors of AEW anyways... The takeover isn't a bad idea on paper but the execution isn't good and the timing couldn't be worse, just like it happened with the "Devil" story, the "real world champion", Regal and the BCC, Saraya's stable, everything regarding the Trios titles... nothing has really worked in a long time.
The International Championship is comparable to the US or Intercontinental Championship. The TNT title is named after a TV station, so it's the Television Championship. The FTW belt is as legit as the Million Dollar Championship. The Continental Championship might be similar to the NXT Heritage Cup. I'm surprised there isn't a Light Heavyweight / Cruiserweight Championship in AEW.
The title of importance order 1. AEW world champ 2. TNT champ(can challenge for world champ) 3. International title(like the European championship from the attitude era) 4. FTW is supposedly to be the hardcore title Any title outside of AEW that is featured more prominent than its world champ is about as backwards as TK can get
They have Jon Moxley with the IWGP championship and it’s not it a mainline story with the AEW world champion. They could do an entire fued of AEW vs New Japan
WWE makes episodic TV. The universe the action tales place in revolves around wrestling, but the wrestling isn't the most important. It's a soap opera, a sitcom, a drama, a talk show, a reality show...all mashed up together. Even the matches are about telling stories within the context of a larger story AEW produces wrestling shows about wrestling and wrestling centric storylines that are told rather quickly so the performers can move on to the next match and the next angle. The stories in the matches are much more self-contained in AEW too. That approach is, on paper, closer to real sports; however, all the hardcore,, all the stipulations, all the comedy (good or bad), the lack of logic and consistency those matches and angles often have kinda ruins the illusion. I get what Tony Khan was aiming for and I respect it, it's a different approach to sports entertainment, but the execution is the big problem. They don't really have a sports based presentation but they don't do well an entertainment based presentation because they aren't really telling stories. They want to be a hybrid and they end up in no man's land.
Even Kenny has seen the light. He’s even part of real promotions and saw how things ought to be done, so even he must be frustrated without long term booking. For instance, his golden lovers story (love it or hate it) REQUIRED long term booking
I think it's more like two completely wrong trains of thought that just happened to both achieve the same shitty results. The common thread is not only don't they know how to do this right, they don't want to know how to do this right, they want to book wrestling the way they think it should be.
@@robintst maybe, to me it feels like Russo style booking because it's basically week by week rather than 30 days out or more of story in terms of it being connected
Good thing is they getting paid and their bodies aren't getting beat up night after night. They'll be financially set and ready to go when WWE come offering them a contract.
I watch AEW intermittently because I forget why I should watch it. I am glad Osprey got some time off after grinding for 2-3 weeks it was much deserved I guess.
Remember the excuse AEW bootlickers made for stories never getting resolved? "It's long term booking. It all will payoff down the line." Now it's " Stories are for WWE, AEW is about the matches." They will forever move the goal post, like the good bootlickers they are.
I've thought that for a while. They don't have a title picture just a self-contained build up to a match and even then the title is often incidental. Projecting that nobody is interested in the title - which has come to pass.
Whatever happened to the classic storyline of "hey I have the #2 title in the promotion which means I'm #1 contender" and the heel champ keeps dodging them??? Wasn't really to familiar w/ Dutch expect for some WCW matches in the early 90s. I always thought him and George the Animal Steele would of been a great tagteam for obvious folical reasons
2:06 YES! If I want to a soap opera, I’ll watch The Young & The Restless. I really wish these were AEW haters would stop comparing a 5 year old show to a 30+ year old show.
It's almost as if I have heard this very argument for years. Back and forth matches with top guys and jobbers, storylines going nowhere, guys going AWOL. Oh yeah! That is what Cornette, Dutch, hell even Disco/Konan/Bischoff, and even Russo have been saying for literal years. Either the sky is falling and the world is ending when Corny/S. Stain agree, or F4W just waited until the last possible moment that any credibility could be salvaged by stating the brutal truth.
I’ve tried giving aew so many chances. And so many times they have men and women no one has ever heard of featured in big matches. Then they won’t provide any context, background, hell an info graphic, as to who is in the ring.
How in the world is Tony's dad allowing Tony to keep spending and losing money like this??? Forget the wrestling issues. As a business case this is crazy imo.
I've lived in Puerto Rico for over 40 years. I watched wrestling when Carlos Colon and Chiki Star were at their apex. I remember the Bullwhip. I don't remember a single story aside from Hugo Savinovich being forced to retire in a match against Carlos Colon.
If a wrestling promotion is on cable tv in prime time *I DONT WANT TO SEE WRESTLING SCHOOL matches* and even worse is some nobody journyman vs local talent 2 minutes where neither gets over. Tommy billington vs dax hardwood was the best possible way to introduce new talent. and as usual TK does nothing with whatever positivity that came from the debut. Worst case scenario is anybody with the name "lee" in a squash.
AEW is nothing but a indy wrestling company with high production and money behind it. Which is fine if that's what you want to do. But you are trying to compete with wwe.
AEW does have some talented people who work there. Everything else seems fake. The fans are fake with their phony golf clapping, the performers are stars in their own minds. I watched the show a couple times, it reminds me of friends who are putting on a wrestling event.
Alvarez has always been MUCH better than Meltzer.. he usually reports rumors as rumors, states things are opinions when they are... he just gets lumped in with Dave... always felt bad for him on that front...
People do not hate AEW just to HATE. It’s disliked because of people like Meltzer and the Jackson’s they have ruined everything this business is supposed to be about. The Jackson’s only want to work with friends and Meltzer has never had friends in wrestling so now that he does he’s gonna pump them up as much as possible
Too many AEW wrestlers are total narcissist who think people tune in just to watch them have fun, and do cool spots. They don't actually want to do the stuff that actually is hard work.
To quote a heel manager in a tiny wrestling company in the mid-west where kayfabe is still alive and well the reason why they keep it dark in here is because the fans are hideous looking.
AEW will never learn, the attitude is that they know best and everyone else is wrong even in the face of poorly sold venues and ratings that never hit the million mark (outside of the Punk era) and more often teeter toward 400000-800000 viewers. There's no way that the veteran people backstage haven't mentioned the booking, and IF they haven't the only two reasons are "it's not my job to tell the boss he doesn't know what he's doing" or they just know that even if they say it, nothing will change. I think it's unwatchable. They are trading on the wrestling and the majority of matches are not entertaining, it's the same old complaint of non-selling, moves that make no sense, referees not following basic rules, wrestlers not being able to do basic punches and kicks believably. But worst of all is tuning in and not having a clue why the match in the ring is taking place.
The Bucks must have forgotten to give Alvarez a raise this year, and the show has gotten so bad that they aren't paying him enough to sacrifice his own credibility defending it anymore. lol
Dutch already denied his Puerto Rican promos isnt/wasnt racism despite it being ultra racist when he first told that story. He loves telling that anecdote with glee and honor and full detail, very often. Old racist man cant stop himself.
I’ve tried giving aew so many chances. And so many times they have men and women no one has ever heard of featured in big matches. Then they won’t provide any context, background, hell an info graphic, as to who is in the ring.
Meltzer's justifications (a.k.a. excuses) are a sight to behold.
This guy should be a lawyer for people wanting to sue themselves out of death row.
Reminder: Meltzer gave Andre vs Hogan at WM3 minus 3 stars because "The workrate was poor"
Now suddenly all that matters is if the (small) crowd reacted in any way
he also gave the rock vs hogan match at wrestlemania X8 a 3 star
Meltzer will only be happy when Andre is able to do a Frankensteiner.
@@troylowe814 couldn’t he do stuff like that early in his career. those type moved just werent that common back then
Didn't Plumber Moxley get more 5 star matches than the WWE for the past twenty+ years?
@@tomvu1470 Not quite, although he still has too many.
WWE since 2000: 15
Moxley: 6
8 wrestlers individually have more 5+ star matches than WWE since 2000, and Akira Taue also has 15.
AEW is held back by 4 individual, Tony Khan, Bucks and Jericho (who is responsible for some lame advices behind scenes).
You’re right. The biggest problem is that even if Jericho and the Bucks were gone Tony would still be there. So the biggest problem will never be gone.
Whenever I see Jericho I hear the line "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" springs to mind.
Just remember, Jericho is the guy who broke his own arm practicing a shooting star press before a sold out Smoky Mountain show. Then or now, he ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Tony is the biggest problem. He's incompetent and as a consequence has empowered the Bucks and Jericho.
@@robintst😂you think he's dumb because he broke his arm practicing a dangerous, top rope move? ...wow. Smarks
Who would of thought that wrestling needs storylines and angles to succeed.
My favorite part isn't Alverez burying AEW, it's Dave defending it lol
Brian Alvarez versus Dave Meltzer lazzzzzy booking👍
But Dave would defend it with his life. I think Tony is reader of Dirt Sheets and Aew is entirely built on Meltzer's philosophy how wrestling should be and the promotion needs to be run. And it's not working at all. Only a small portion of audience would watch wrestling Matches without any build up, character, promos and storylines.
At that point it's just a gymnastics routine with people brain damaging themselves for real with no reason for the chaos
Why don't you just play the audio, like Cornette and Last do? Makes it so much easier to listen and understand the situation.
Sometimes they'll get a copyright strike so not worth the risk
@@davidjsaulnever seen cornette get one
Please think about what you put.
Even Jim and Brian have no clue to the blarb Dave spouts.
Rosetta tried , failed, then gave up. lol
@@fingersTitanno, jim and last laugh while they listen to Dave cause he sounds ridiculous. they actually said Alvarez was making sense for once too
@@Hypno_BPM Do you actually listen to the words coming out of their mouths? They go on and on about Dave making zero coherent sentences, bumbling and then starting a sentence 18 different ways.. " Well it's like, If you take six or seven, where Tony is looking at things or from the outside people, you're not thinking about blagh blagh." He's talked for 30 seconds and no one knows what the hell he's trying to say and laugh their backsides off. In the last 3 or 4 weeks. Alvarez has been gold and saying that Dave makes no sence. Even though I didn't reference him at all and only said Dave..
My post stands and you point out a mistake that isn't there is.... Yeah.
You can't bury AEW Booking. Tony is perpetual Booker of the Year/Century! - Uncle Dave
A friend and I used to call wrestling our "soap operas for the guys" when his wife would ask us why we were watching it. She got to watch her Soap Operas and we got our Raw & Smackdown. 🤷♂️
100% agree
I don't even understand why we even still compare WWE to AEW WWE is a way better product point blank period . Much love to this podcast keep it up guys .
Ikr? AEW has only been around for 5 or so years, but came out talking smack because that's what TK thought he should do, because it's pro wrestling. He's made so many similar mistakes. I see it as a mark with his own promotion, every mistake he's made is stuff I thought was cool when I was a kid and think is dumb now lol. He needs real brains in there with him or without him. The more wrestling on TV the better, so I'd like to see it work out
Time to put AEW in the corner. Turn our backs and stop talking about them unless something actually happens.
Jim and Brians quarterly breakdown should be the only upload until it's inevitable closure.
Interesting choice on the outro music, Miles Davis.
If AEW perhaps tried to fill smaller venues and worked on actually having storylines that pulled people in it would be alot better.
They do go to smaller arenas, but they have trouble filling those also.
@@jasonelliott7977maybe they should try bingo halls and high school gyms.
In the mid 80s, the NWA was criticized for Dusty finishes on main events for world wide wrestling, but at least those were exciting cliffhangers.
Dutch is being too nice
As we say in Puerto Rico. Cabrons being Cabrons: that describes AEW booking. 😂😂😂
😂
I think the problem is when Tony Khan said "sports based wrestling" he meant the matches were the story, the reason we are having the match is because we are wrestlers and we wrestle forgetting that the reason wrestling became a work is so you could control the narrative and tell a story. What everyone else thought it meant was wrestling where the story enhanced the matches but the match was the focus not the story.
Youd think the matches were sports based then and not these clusterfucks
When Dutch was talking about heels coming in to challenge Lawlor I was picturing big intimidating men. If AEW used that formula half the time it would be small guys that don't look like wrestlers.
U got guys who get hurt working for other companies, u got a booker who won’t refuse to let them work for other companies and u got other companies belts being pushed on ur company on tv. They have 4 separate shows (including ROH) which settles whatever angles on a PPV that fewer and fewer ppl are watching making AEW a complete joke. Moxley has a Japanese belt and Jericho has a ECW belt. Why?
"Tony Khan't 2023 Booker of the year" - Uncle Dave.
Its about the story with wrestling as the backdrop as Dutch said. You cared about the boxing match in Rocky cause you were invested in the character leading to it, otherwise it would just be the 20 minute fight instead of a 2 hour movie. The issue with Dave is he doesnt acknowledge his bias, which we all have, its natural. Dave prefers Japanese style, and likes move for move. So he bases all his ratings off that, and discounts alot of the drama/story telling/spectacle of a match. To me thats the difference between understanding the business itself and wanting it to be what it isnt. Its about who gets over, whether its from a persona, a match, promo, etc and makes people care and draws money/ratings, Dave wants it to be match "quality" first, cause he likes it. Hulk Hogan is not the greatest "wrestler", yet he is one of the biggest stars in the history of wrestling. Wwe promotes stars/storylines and Aew promotes wrestlers/matches, who's number one and who's ratings are falling week after week.
Dutch is spot on. There literally isn't a single storyline in AEW right now. At least one of any meaning.
Maybe The Elite's hostile takeover, but so far it's not hitting because they don't have anyone believable to represent the company. No Cody, no Kenny, no Punk, the BCC haven't looked like a true stable in forever, FTR have lost a lot of steam, Ospreay and Swerve are luckily in a different angle and don't really fit as saviors of AEW anyways... The takeover isn't a bad idea on paper but the execution isn't good and the timing couldn't be worse, just like it happened with the "Devil" story, the "real world champion", Regal and the BCC, Saraya's stable, everything regarding the Trios titles... nothing has really worked in a long time.
The International Championship is comparable to the US or Intercontinental Championship. The TNT title is named after a TV station, so it's the Television Championship. The FTW belt is as legit as the Million Dollar Championship. The Continental Championship might be similar to the NXT Heritage Cup. I'm surprised there isn't a Light Heavyweight / Cruiserweight Championship in AEW.
Dutch joined the Dynamic Dudes? I love the hat
Keeping it dark does not draw as much attention to: bright lights , big house vs dark is small house
"BRYYYYANNN."
The title of importance order
1. AEW world champ
2. TNT champ(can challenge for world champ)
3. International title(like the European championship from the attitude era)
4. FTW is supposedly to be the hardcore title
Any title outside of AEW that is featured more prominent than its world champ is about as backwards as TK can get
I can see why Konnan has heat with Dutch, based on his comments about Puerto Rico.
Same stories dutch would tell us at Walmart when he was a greeter while I I was jobbing in tna in the early years
They have Jon Moxley with the IWGP championship and it’s not it a mainline story with the AEW world champion. They could do an entire fued of AEW vs New Japan
WWE makes episodic TV. The universe the action tales place in revolves around wrestling, but the wrestling isn't the most important. It's a soap opera, a sitcom, a drama, a talk show, a reality show...all mashed up together. Even the matches are about telling stories within the context of a larger story AEW produces wrestling shows about wrestling and wrestling centric storylines that are told rather quickly so the performers can move on to the next match and the next angle. The stories in the matches are much more self-contained in AEW too. That approach is, on paper, closer to real sports; however, all the hardcore,, all the stipulations, all the comedy (good or bad), the lack of logic and consistency those matches and angles often have kinda ruins the illusion. I get what Tony Khan was aiming for and I respect it, it's a different approach to sports entertainment, but the execution is the big problem. They don't really have a sports based presentation but they don't do well an entertainment based presentation because they aren't really telling stories. They want to be a hybrid and they end up in no man's land.
ITS NOT MY JOB!!!!!
Best Alvarez moment ever. 😂😂😂
James has his PS5 in rest mode 🧐 Watchu playing?!! 😅
Arkham Asylum (again)
@@jamesromero Great choice. I have the Arkham Trilogy installed in my PS5 as well. Arkham Knight is a lot a fun too.
I would have died if he said it was that garbage pile AEW game.
@@jeffp.7598 Coming free on PlayStation Plus this month. I’ll give it a go! Looks horrible but well it’s free 😅. I’m a WWE2k24 guy tho.
Even Kenny has seen the light. He’s even part of real promotions and saw how things ought to be done, so even he must be frustrated without long term booking. For instance, his golden lovers story (love it or hate it) REQUIRED long term booking
100+ talent is insane. Half of that would be more than enough.
I refuse to believe that Russo didn't have an influence on TK because TK's booking is very similar to Russo's
I think it's more like two completely wrong trains of thought that just happened to both achieve the same shitty results. The common thread is not only don't they know how to do this right, they don't want to know how to do this right, they want to book wrestling the way they think it should be.
@@robintst maybe, to me it feels like Russo style booking because it's basically week by week rather than 30 days out or more of story in terms of it being connected
@@HarleyQuinnSoldier They do seem to also have that in common too.
@@HarleyQuinnSoldier This feels more like to me, TK: "Hey Dave (Meltzer), how should I book my promotion?"
MJF comes back with a fucking AEW tattoo completing his transformation into a mark.
Darby Allin gets run through a wood chipper feet first right in the ring. Next PPV.
Good thing is they getting paid and their bodies aren't getting beat up night after night. They'll be financially set and ready to go when WWE come offering them a contract.
The check bounced.
I watch AEW intermittently because I forget why I should watch it. I am glad Osprey got some time off after grinding for 2-3 weeks it was much deserved I guess.
Remember the excuse AEW bootlickers made for stories never getting resolved?
"It's long term booking. It all will payoff down the line."
Now it's " Stories are for WWE, AEW is about the matches."
They will forever move the goal post, like the good bootlickers they are.
I've thought that for a while. They don't have a title picture just a self-contained build up to a match and even then the title is often incidental. Projecting that nobody is interested in the title - which has come to pass.
We already had a Dynamite Kid sequel(not really). That story wrapped up well did it not?
AeW is the definition of 'did I miss a page?'
Alvarez slowly realizing the AEW ship is sinking and Meltzer has strapped himself to the helm.
Whatever happened to the classic storyline of "hey I have the #2 title in the promotion which means I'm #1 contender" and the heel champ keeps dodging them???
Wasn't really to familiar w/ Dutch expect for some WCW matches in the early 90s. I always thought him and George the Animal Steele would of been a great tagteam for obvious folical reasons
With mjfs return this is the moment Tony has to hand over the book or have someone else with him at the head of booking
@13:00 why would anyone call out the aew champion when there are like 15 other titles.
I think Tony Khan DOES NOT care about story. Timecop is his favorite movie. Fans gave that a 36% on Rotten Tomatoes. Critics have it 42%.
Tony should hire Scott D'amore to run creative and stick to signing the checks.
2:06 YES! If I want to a soap opera, I’ll watch The Young & The Restless. I really wish these were AEW haters would stop comparing a 5 year old show to a 30+ year old show.
It's almost as if I have heard this very argument for years. Back and forth matches with top guys and jobbers, storylines going nowhere, guys going AWOL. Oh yeah! That is what Cornette, Dutch, hell even Disco/Konan/Bischoff, and even Russo have been saying for literal years. Either the sky is falling and the world is ending when Corny/S. Stain agree, or F4W just waited until the last possible moment that any credibility could be salvaged by stating the brutal truth.
I’ve tried giving aew so many chances. And so many times they have men and women no one has ever heard of featured in big matches. Then they won’t provide any context, background, hell an info graphic, as to who is in the ring.
I think they are trying to make the intercontinental championship important (the top midcard)because they are going to give it to Will Osprey
Then have 3 men's titles only and 1 women's title. It's not hard
Its like giving Goldberg the TV title or Austin the European title, don't think it will help Osprey giving him their 3rd/4th rate title.
I appreciate you admitting you don't watch the show.
@@jonnya4209 No doubt TK will make him their grandslam champion.
How in the world is Tony's dad allowing Tony to keep spending and losing money like this??? Forget the wrestling issues. As a business case this is crazy imo.
I've lived in Puerto Rico for over 40 years. I watched wrestling when Carlos Colon and Chiki Star were at their apex. I remember the Bullwhip. I don't remember a single story aside from Hugo Savinovich being forced to retire in a match against Carlos Colon.
Moxley has a title plus all the ring of honor titles
Aew avg 2.5 to 3.5 belts per segment, including roh, iwgp titles, it's ridiculous
160 wrestlers under contract!!!??? Lol, what a gong show!
Why didn’t Dutch use the quote when in Rico, I wanted a woman, I saw a lot of men who look like women
“You know it’s fake right?” Me: “They’re my male soap operas.” and then they instantly understand
The problem is you have a bunch of indie guys running a national promotion like an indie fed.
Talent doesn't make a win.
💯
No talent gets you nowhere
@@billadkins5150 False. Example 1: Paris Hilton.
Tony pisses excellence
@@rosspearman2808 You forgot the word “on”.
If a wrestling promotion is on cable tv in prime time *I DONT WANT TO SEE WRESTLING SCHOOL matches* and even worse is some nobody journyman vs local talent 2 minutes where neither gets over.
Tommy billington vs dax hardwood was the best possible way to introduce new talent. and as usual TK does nothing with whatever positivity that came from the debut.
Worst case scenario is anybody with the name "lee" in a squash.
AEW is nothing but a indy wrestling company with high production and money behind it. Which is fine if that's what you want to do. But you are trying to compete with wwe.
It's just a bigger budget Ring of Honor, with the worst people in charge.
@@MultiBlack17 funnily enough, tony khan is ROH president, so there's not even the excuse of "offering a different product" lol.
@@davidepannone6021 ROH now is just AEW 2.0
It's like beating a dead horse,but Tony Kahn is a very nice man,who has no idea how to book a wrestling show.
AEW does have some talented people who work there. Everything else seems fake. The fans are fake with their phony golf clapping, the performers are stars in their own minds. I watched the show a couple times, it reminds me of friends who are putting on a wrestling event.
Its a work.
Where's the money making aspect of this work?
Explain it.
Alvarez has always been MUCH better than Meltzer.. he usually reports rumors as rumors, states things are opinions when they are... he just gets lumped in with Dave... always felt bad for him on that front...
People do not hate AEW just to HATE. It’s disliked because of people like Meltzer and the Jackson’s they have ruined everything this business is supposed to be about. The Jackson’s only want to work with friends and Meltzer has never had friends in wrestling so now that he does he’s gonna pump them up as much as possible
Too many AEW wrestlers are total narcissist who think people tune in just to watch them have fun, and do cool spots. They don't actually want to do the stuff that actually is hard work.
I guess Bryan is off the payroll
Alvarez is preparing to jump on his own because Meltzer is nosediving like AEW.
Does anybody even LISTEN or CARE what Meltzer says anymore? 🤣
tony is in way over his head for a beginner. a lot of us feel helpless..
To quote a heel manager in a tiny wrestling company in the mid-west where kayfabe is still alive and well the reason why they keep it dark in here is because the fans are hideous looking.
AEW will never learn, the attitude is that they know best and everyone else is wrong even in the face of poorly sold venues and ratings that never hit the million mark (outside of the Punk era) and more often teeter toward 400000-800000 viewers. There's no way that the veteran people backstage haven't mentioned the booking, and IF they haven't the only two reasons are "it's not my job to tell the boss he doesn't know what he's doing" or they just know that even if they say it, nothing will change.
I think it's unwatchable. They are trading on the wrestling and the majority of matches are not entertaining, it's the same old complaint of non-selling, moves that make no sense, referees not following basic rules, wrestlers not being able to do basic punches and kicks believably. But worst of all is tuning in and not having a clue why the match in the ring is taking place.
AEW will need a multi oart episode of DSofTR at this rate.
I prefer Dutch to the miserable Eric Bischoff
I really enjoy bischoff due to experience but Conrad is unbearable
The Bucks must have forgotten to give Alvarez a raise this year, and the show has gotten so bad that they aren't paying him enough to sacrifice his own credibility defending it anymore. lol
Someone tell Dutch it’s a work for clicks. Bryan loves AEW. (PS Tony’s in on it.)
My thoughts exactly it is obviously staged between them two but Americans can't smell bull.
Do you have any source for this… other than the ass you’re pulling it out of?
Does Dutch even watch AEW honestly, I’m not argue if AEW has been rightly accused. He just comes off as parroting what the echo chamber says
There feud is fake. All for clicks.
I am suspecting this as well..
If that's the case, whose the face and whose the heel?
They are all playing Cornette to get his pot of viewers.
What tickets would that sell? I think Dave's out of his mind and it's finally annoying Bryan.
AEW has way way way too many Championship titles its watered down worse than watermelon soaked in water
😀
😐
Pro wrestling is just another soap opera at its core. The marks have ruined it.
TK buried his own pathetic company by garbage booking ! Company is complete TRASH
AEW is a walking shit show and it’s time should be running out soon as papa khan should pull the plug. There’s no one on their tv that would be missed
Jesus, 20 minutes and you talked about the title for 1 minute.
WWE has been boring and predictable. AEW has no direction. TNA is the best weekly show on TV
And almost no one knows that TNA is even on TV.
@@RobHiggard Due to business mismanagement, creative management has been excellent.
Dutch got heat by being his true Republican white self
That's a babyface turn.
Dutch already denied his Puerto Rican promos isnt/wasnt racism despite it being ultra racist when he first told that story.
He loves telling that anecdote with glee and honor and full detail, very often.
Old racist man cant stop himself.
I’ve tried giving aew so many chances. And so many times they have men and women no one has ever heard of featured in big matches. Then they won’t provide any context, background, hell an info graphic, as to who is in the ring.
Aew avg 2.5 to 3.5 belts per segment, including roh, iwgp titles, it's ridiculous