Simon Jordan INSISTS Jurgen Klopp Is NOT A Premier League Legend Like Pep Guardiola Or Sir Alex! 🤯🏆❌
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- Is Jurgen Klopp a Premier League legend? talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Martin O'Neill have their say!
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Klopp is a LFC legend, not a PL one
This. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
As a city fan I’m disappointed to see him go, I think he has enriched the game and a great person all ‘round!!
Klopp is a Football legend not a PL one
Financial doping.
Funny listening to random people picking what makes someone a Premier league legend. I've heard many people labeled a Premier league legend despite never winning it. Apparently one is not enough for some but none is. Also context Apparently doesn't matter.
@@HardlyQuinnas long as it suits glory hunters narrative
Only an incredible legendary manager can score 92,97 and 99 points in the premier league. Because getting to these point totals all depends on YOU winning games that YOU are in control of.. Winning league titles half depends on OTHER teams dropping points in games which you got NOTHING to do with.
Klopp Scored more points than Ferguson's BEST league winning points totals 3 times.
Here are the top 20 points tallies in Premier League history:
20 - Chelsea 09/10 - 86 points(+71)
19 - Chelsea 14/15 - 87 points(+41)
18 - Arsenal 01/02 - 87 points(+43)
17 - Manchester United 07/08 - 87 points(+58)
16 - Manchester United 12/13 - 89 points(+43)
= 14 - Manchester United 06/07 + 11/12 - 89 points (+56)
13 - Manchester City 11/12 - 89 points(+64)
12 - Manchester United 08/09 - 90 points(+44)
11 - Arsenal 03/04 - 90 points(+47)
10 - Chelsea 05/06 - 91 points(+50)
9 - Manchester United 99/00 - 91 points(+52)
8 - Liverpool 21/22 - 92 points(+68)
7 - Chelsea 16/17 - 93 points(+52)
6 - Manchester City - 93 points(+73)
5 - Chelsea 04/05 - 95 points(+57)
4 - Liverpool 18/19 - 97 points(+67)
3 - Manchester City 18/19 - 98 points(+72)
2 - Liverpool 19/20 - 99 points(+52)
1 - Manchester City 17/18 - 100 points(+79)
"Jurgen Klopp INSISTS Jurgen Klopp is NOT A Premier League Legend" ... What?
1 premier league
Absurd debate. Context is everything. So my favourite player, Zola, isn't a premier league legend, just a Chelsea one. And I guess Ranieri isn't a PL legend for winning the Prem with Leicester. I'm by no means a Liverpool fan, but Klopp achieved against oil money. His legacy is still warm & City have 115 charges, why dump on Klopp in this way before he has even gone. I can see why he has had enough to be fair
I am a MAN UTD fan and firmly believe that it does not matter one Iota what Simon Jordan thinks about Klopp... What matters is what Liverpool fans think about their manager...end off...I sometimes feels that these hosts tend to put way too much weight oh their opinions.
He is paid for opinion. Why do people get upset when he gives it. Why does it only matter what Liverpool fans think when the question is whether he is a Premier league legend? Youre basically saying it doesn't matter what people say unless they're a fan. Guess you're not a fan of free speech, and all for censorship
@@lukealex6428hes paid to give an opinion and we have a right to react however we like to said opinion
@@56Circular exactly. It's called free speech. Don't be a snowflake though. In this case its easy to get upset and say nothing, than actually respond as to why you don't think his opinion matters. Why doesn't it matter what SJ thinks? The response is feelings and emotions over actual substance.
Best PL managers:
Pep
Mourinho
Wenger
Ferguson
Klopp
Nothing fake here....... I'm a united fan and have been since 1995. I lived near Dortmund for 8 years and had the pleasure of watching klopp's incredible revival of borrusia. The man deserved anyone who can bring Liverpool from decades of heartache to the Premier league title deserves the status of a Premier league legend!
He is NOT: He may be a Dortmund and Liverpool legend. He does not deserve to be a legend because he is not.
no dude. and winning it with no fans takes the shine off it a bit.
He is a legendary runner up. No shame in that.
As a famous Liverpool manager once said you don't get a trophy for second place
For now. I've 115 reasons why that could change
@@SuziesAshes10can you even name those charges?
@@SuziesAshes10 Pep is a legendary cheat. That is what his legacy will be. City fans get very sensitive when you bring this up.
So winning everything is finishing as runner up is it, you clowns and your agendas 🤣🤣 tut tut tut.
Jurgen klopp asks Jurgen klopp in the talksport studio whether Jurgen klopp is a legend. I was surprised Jurgen klopp to the right of Jurgen klopp didn't call out Jurgen klopp for the disrespect towards Jurgen klopp.
😂
Love Simon Jordans views, very smart man but I think he's missing one key point here, what klopp has done is so much more than just winning trophies, he's awoken a sleeping giant and raised the standards needed to win the prem alongside guardiola
Klopp has had a massive impact on the PL in terms of fitness and player management, and the way players train.
Wenger went up against the most dominant team in united who have spent more money than any other club and Wenger still won the league 3 times during that period. Klopp has no excuse
Are you just wilfully ignoring the absolute juggernaut that is Man City? The club that even most former Utd legends are calling the greatest premier league team of all time ever. Sooo your talking shite basically.
@@nickchivers9029 so facts are shite? United supporters pick and choose when they call the greatest team. When comparing the trebles and accomplishments city aren't as good as the 99 team. But when they use it to excuse their own teams shortcoming or the state of the league then they city are the best.
@@bluemoon1716you are cheats. 115 charges mate. Klopp would’ve had 2 more league titles. Have some shame. How you even get the confidence to talk nonsense.
Very humble of Klopp to insist he isn't a Premier League legend. What a guy.
Yea cause he clearly isn't.
@@alibabashero How do you define legend ? Is Eddie Howe a legend taking a bottom half league two team up to the top half of the Premier League ?
Or is it a low IQ view that it has to be titles which 2 or 3 teams win over a decade
@@adammohamed.. I wouldent bother arguing with that guy hes an opposing tribal fan, cant have discussions with those kind of individuals.
Because he isn’t 😂
@@alexischristou3266 I know some ppl on here are spastics. Is what I signed up for commenting. I just wanna know a person’s perception of legend , is keeping Bournemouth in the league the stuff of legend ? With a 10k stadium
Claudio Ranieri is higher in prem status than klop as he did it with the smallest squad and poorer players. as a reminder they was 5000-1 odds to win the league when they did. they was predicted for relegation positions they year they won it. 100% makes him more or a prem legend than klop
And he got sacked the year after and sacked at every club 😂
Terrible comparison
Klopp has won everything!!!!
He also got sacked the next season, and the next two PL jobs at times when all three teams were in relegation battles.
Klopp should have been sacked too. Ended 5th, 4th twice and 8th
@@Zion66666 that's a funny way of saying he got Liverpool Champions league football 6 out of 8 times but ok.
Cant argue with that
As a United fan, i dont think there’s a fan anywhere in the PL that wouldn’t have loved to have had Klopp at their club. Legend at Liverpool? Sure. Legend in the PL? I guess it has to be “no”, given the relative lack of trophies. But his impact on the league cant be questioned; his points tally, the brand of football; all extremely impressive. He just came here at a time when Pep had a stanglehold on the league, albeit aided by 119 charges
Ended PL seasons behind Ole and to TH. Remember that.
@@Zion66666 mate they will have both lasted 2 years in their jobs with an FA cup. Having off seasons is allowed if you win the champions league and league title in the process. Ole and Eric can both get in the bin
@@CullanWiltshire 1 EPL in 9 years is okay but not great. Let’s be honest. I like Klopp but he’s massively overrated and media blinded by love or his pearly whites.
@Zion66666 there's only 11 managers who have even won a premier league in 30 years. Fergies won 13 of them, Pep 5, Jose 3, Wenger 3.
Out of Ancelotti, Mancini, Ranieri, Pellegrini, Dalglish, Conte and Klopp who've all won 1 title, I would argue that Klopp is up there with Ancelotti in terms of overall career as well, maybe Conte.
@@nickchivers9029 That's an insult to Ancelotti
Klopp has an infectious personality, incredible passion for his job and a unique management style - he will be remembered and missed in the Premier League, legend or not.
He'll be missed by liverpool.... As for the PL?.... No chance!
How many league titles will Klopp have won when Man City finally get their titles stripped for 115. From an Arsenal fan.
0 because those charges end at the 17/18 season where loserpool finished 4th.
Still only 1
2 mate and man united 2 arsenal 2
Still 0 because Man City charges do not count after 2018, i bet you didnt even know about that 😂😂😂 And u are one delusional kid if you genuinely believe Man City will be strip off their titles and get any serious punishment. This just show how little football fans know of football politics
Klopp is a PL legend and I would put him in the top 5, 1. Pep 2. Ferguson 3. Wenger 4. Mourinho 5. Klopp. He’s no Pep but then who is, CTID
I’ve been saying for years, this guy won 1 EPL in last 9 years and UK sport media has a audacity to compare him master Guardiola.
Perspective?
Bro called him master 😂
Guardiola is the einstein of football
Do you even context? How many of those nine years was he expected to win the league? Certainly not the first three for a start. Give your head a wobble.
@@madtitan-bringerofgenocide lmao the einstein cheater more like. imagine caalling ya sen bringer of genocide🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What matters is what the liverpool fc fans think premier league irrelevant.
You ask 99.9% of footballers, managers, coaches, I'm sure they'll insist that Klopp is a PL legend. It doesn't matter what the the tiny few think. A small group of people think the Earth is flat, doesn't make it so.
There have been others before and there will be others in the futures. In these times, Pep is the best Manager but I love Klopp more. I will remember his stories for long. Legendary!
As a city fan i disagree klopp will always be remember as pl legend , period Bro won them pl.after 35 years.
Two perfect German words for Simon Jordan: Klugscheißer, Besserwisser
Translation?
Great conversation. As a Liverpool fan, I can appreciate both sides of the argument. Great exchange guys.
There is a misconception about Jurgen Klopp’s time at Liverpool and some think that it’s a failure. In the next couple of years, many people will look back and reminisce about his time at Liverpool and bring up the fact that he won 1 PL title in 9 years and for an elite manager it’s not enough on paper, but we have to look at more than just trophies when we wanna evaluate the impact a manager has on a team.
When it comes to rebuilding teams there’s no better manager at doing that than Klopp. We’ve seen him have success at clubs like Borussia Dortmund and Mainz despite being on a shoestring budget. It’s been the same story for him at Liverpool and he managed to turn them back into an elite club. You look at it in the last 7 years Manchester City are about to win 6 league titles and we live in a world where they would’ve had 7 league titles in 7 years had it not been for Klopp’s Liverpool. They managed to win their first league title in 30 years against one of the greatest teams we’ve ever seen who are on an unlimited budget. From a tactical perspective, he’s different from someone like Pep Guardiola, but you can’t deny Klopp’s greatness even if he doesn’t have enough trophies on his resume. They also won the Champions League as well and on 2 different occasions lost the title by a point to City and at times they were in the hunt to win a quadruple. I don’t know why people think that the amount of trophies is the sole way to judge the ability of a manager. He missed out on some trophies he’s simply because of Manchester City’s dominance and Real Madrid being a thorn in their side and while history only remembers the winners, that shouldn’t take anything away from Klopp at Liverpool even though 1 league title in 9 years isn’t enough.
Yo, this is straight up fantasy. In the "hunt" for a quadruple? You either win, or you don't. That's it.
You lot sure love your "runners up" trophies
@@HALWASRIGHT What about when your closest rivals the entire time were cooking the books?
@@bluemoon1716 out of interest, what club do you support?
@@HALWASRIGHT yeah that season we made to the final of every major tournament, won 2 of them, lost 1-0 to a great Madrid team and narrowly missed out on the final day to arguably the greatest football team ever. If that was your club you'd be proud of that season but it's not so your finding excuses to hate
Simons exactly right. He is a Liverpool Legend. One title isnt enough to be a premier league legend. Lots of managers have won one title. No disrespect just statistics.
He won EVERYTHING
Only 3 managers in English history has ever done that
Pep, klopp and fergie
Managers that didn’t
Wenger
Busby
Shankly
Jose
Clough
Pasiley
And so on
@@docholiday-lm4vfdon’t care. liverpool legend, not a prem legend
@@docholiday-lm4vfJose won all English domestic trophies. Unless you don’t count because he won CL elsewhere.
@@docholiday-lm4vf That's why he's a Liverpool Legend. The question was "Premiere League" legend. He's only got 1 PL title. How many managers have 1 PL title? Lots.
He won 9 titles do some research stupid
The fact every radio station, football sports channel, podcast, rival fans are talkijg abiut Klopp leaving, farewell tour, final game just shows how much love and respect they have for this man. Apart from Fergie and Wenger can you name one other manager in the Prem they made a fuss over his departure, dont worry i'll wait..
I think Jürgen Klopp doesn't care about being a pl legend as much as how the anfield faithful sees him...
Of course he has contributed so much to the EPL as a coach, a person and the question of him being a pl legend or Liverpool one is irrelevant...
He won everything the pl has to offer, won the cl and that's "legendary "....
So for me he is legendary as a football manager not just a Liverpool manager...
Jurgen Klopp INSISTS Jurgen Klopp is NOT Pep Guardiola BUT Jurgen Kloop indeed
I don't like Kloop but people forget Liverpool had not won the League title in 30 years....
Love you mr KLOPP and thank you so much from the bottom of my heart ❤️ god bless you and your team and backroom staff and also a very big thanks to FSG greatly appreciate what you have done since you took over LFC . THANK YOU THANK YOU.
YMWA.❤
Simon was obviously praising him in the past. The fact that both Klopp and Pep are brilliant managers, both with different Characters , tactics etc.
I think in the eyes of LIVERPOOL and also others , klopp will always be a legend! I have spoken to a few Liverpool fans and they all agree.There will be alot of tears at Anfield tomorrow.
I’m not a celebrity and either is Simon Jordan but I wish we both were so we could have a celebrity boxing match!! 🥊
Klopp should be remembered simply, as, the man who put a smile on the face of all who he met.
I get what Simon is saying and I can agree with it but. All I would say is Mourinho was very successful and win a lot undoubtedly as other manager have. I guess only winning one title in 8 or 9 years probably isn’t good enough but two their season to miss out by a point or then two is unprecedented. Arsenal will probably feel that this season. Why I would say he is a premier league legend is because everyone wanted to watch his team ahead of others. Because they and he entertained. It’s biased I know but I’m in klopp mindset. Could have won more could have won less but if he wasn’t a great manager people wouldn’t watch. Peel preferred to watch LFC over City or Utd a Chelsea’s because they entertained. Besides from titles that’s why is a legend because everyone wanted him and watched
The same guy telling Leverkusen Legend Ballack in an interviews its probably 50+1 to blame they never won. Imagine saying this while they broke all records this season. He is a Money Lobbyist.
O'Neil is a great addition to this show. should get him on full time with these two
Simon is absolutely correct
Some people say Pep is the best manager in the world and some even say he's the best manager in the history of football but my view will always be that he cannot be regarded that highly until he overachieves at a club.
Given what he's had to work with, I don't think you can say Pep overachieved at Barca, Bayern and City.
Klopp hasn't won as many titles and cups as Pep has but given who he was up against whilst managing Liverpool and Dortmund, I think winning the number of titles and cups he has, getting to the amount of finals he has and getting the amount of points he has is at the very least as good an achievement as anything Pep has done.
Jordan said Liverpool have had ffp breaches. Is this true?
No it's an absolute lie, Liverpool are one of the best financially run clubs in PL
No one cares what Simon or anyone else thinks, as much as I respect his opinion. It only matters what Liverpool fans think. He isn't just one of the greats. His relationship with the club, team, fans and city have been incredible.
YNWA ❤
As though Klopp would care a jot. Legendary status is the least of his interests I would argue. Klopp and his team lifted a club that was on its knees, the mood around the place and beyond. That counts enormously. You can keep your legendary status, while we keep our icon.
Jordan mentions Guardiola, of course it needs a skilled manager to win things, however City won their 1st PL Roberto Mancini, Pellegrini RU, Pep 6 titles, 2 seconds....all of this by sports doping, paying and aquiring the best players while circumnavigating the system.
Without it City would be langushing like Wolves or Notts Forest.
Is Klopp.a legend, yes, against the odds he kept Liverpool competitive.
I am abit conflicted about ranking Klopp. For all the praise Wenger gets he only got Arsenal to one Champions league final and lost. Klopp has a UCL title. He got Liverpool and Dortmund to UCL finals. He is an exceptional manager
I am an Arsenal fan and I can say that he is of course a legend. He took Liverpool to win the league after so many years, a task that seemed almost impossible. Not to mention his European success with the club. Unfortunately Liverpool and Arsenal are against the relentless Man City with their amazing coach and their endless resources to buy the best players in the world.
Klop has more wins in man city vs liv matches , thats legendary for me 🔥🔥
115 FC legends at cheating. At best we were a mid table team when he joined. He leaves us now competing for the title most seasons!
Most of them are ready to become options for Liverpool first team under Arne Slot Next season.Goal keepers= 1- Fabian Mrozek 2-Harvey Davies 3-Kornel Misciur 4-Marcelo Pitaluga 5-Kelleher.Defenders = 6-Calvin Ramsey 7-Sepp Van Den Berg 8-James Norris 9-Amara Nallo 10-Luke Chambers 11-Owen Beck 12-Lucas Pitt 13-Calum Scanlon 14-Conor Bradley 15-Jarell Quansah 16-Billy Koumetio 17-Lee Jonas 18-Carter Pennington.Midfielders= 19-Tyler Morton.20-Fabio Carvalho21-James Balagizi 22-James Mc Connell23- Bobby Clark 24-Trey Nyenri 25-Isac Mabaya 26-Ben Truman 27-Stefan Bajecetic 28-Tommy Pilling 29-Kieran Morrison 30- Melkamu Fraunendrof 31- Joe Bradshaw.Strikers =32- Lewis Koumas 33-Jayden Danns 34- Trent -Kone Doherty 35-Musialowski 36- Harvey Blair 37- Ben Doak.
I'm ♡Albion fan, Reds spent 3 times less than ManU/Chelsea in Klopps era. ManC built on 115 FFP crimes.
Without that cash doping, Pep wud not have the best squad in the world & still lost to Real Madrid & England Skipper Jude B. (As per daily mail sports pages & Sky Sports S.Warnock)
When Fergie was boss, ManU was the richest club in the world.
Klopp won titles & cups with a moderate budget. He literally won a cup with 7 - 10 kop kids aged 21 & under, (as per SkySports & Kelly Cates & Melissa Reddy & Stephen Warnock ) during a huge injury crisis in 2024. No boss has done that before vs a hugely expensive Chelsea team.
Clough & Sir Alf won on tiny small club budgets.
Compare gold to gold, not
Gold to iron.
Both are metals but not worth the same.
When comparing bosses or teams, use golf type handicaps please.
Cuz In soccer budgets matter more than coaching, its a very unfair sport. But fans become fans as kids & don't understand it as kids.
When they grow up they can't stop supporting their little clubs, who will never be UCL winners.
So they make the Reds thier co-favourite club. But Why LFC & not ManC?
Well...
1 To honour the Hillsborough 99 (or 97 or 96 depending on which way the tragic deaths were counted)
2 Anfield is most magical field in all sports ask Rio F of ManU etc
3 Only club to have 4 legendary bosses in Shankley - Paisley - Sir
Kenny - Klopp. Only club were fans love bosses more than players.
At the end of the day who stirs ur passions more?
Who makes ur heart beat faster?
Is it the above average looking woman wearing very expensive make up & clothes?
Or do prefer the natural beauty who looks gorgeous with no make up?
Do u prefer Maryln Monroe & Mila Kunis in thier pomp (Liverpool FC type beauties)
or
Viola Davis & Zendaya (ManC type women)?
All 4 are top actresses but who stirs ur passions.
Do u prefer the wild heart pumping passion of Klopps teams or the cold methodical death by a 1000 cuts of Peps teams?
Klopp is Shankley 2.0
Arne Slot is the next Paisley 2.0
WBA Albion are my local club who i love a lot, but its the reds who stir my passions.
1 UCL win = 10 premier league titles
1 EPL title = 5 FA Cups
1 FA Cup = 5 of any other cups
As per the Prof Haq maths formula on the B'ham University web site.
Im glad Jurgen took semi - retirement as his health matters to all reds & small club fans from Liverpool to Amritsar & from West Bromwich to L.A & from Berlin to Buenos Aires. Quickly Get healthier Jurgen as u will win the world cup with England soon.
Great show boys
He is a legend..How many times would’ve the points total won the league when they finished second? Up against a financial monster has warped Simon’s take.
Won everything at Liverpool and is definitely a legend
KLOPP knows something about city 115 charges and he doesn’t want to be in the league when the results come out.
Because the media might be too much to handle .
I don’t know. But that’s just my opinion/ wild guess!
Klopp is a legend..premier league Will be not the same again without him😢
Klopp changed the PL for the better! Could they have won more? Sure…BUT at the end of the day, to accomplish what he did, with the budget he did - against all odds, simply amazing!…not everything comes down to winning multiple PL titles. He’s made more of a mark on the PL than many have…how did he represent the PL on the world stage? The lives he has touched…that makes a legend!
Couldn’t care less if other teams coined him as a legend or not. He was a proper legend at Liverpool. I’m so glad that Jurgen is a Red, he doesn’t need to prove anything to anyone.
Well, if klopp says it.
where's Keown?
hiding or sulking?
7:03 - wrong. They play WOLVES on sunday
Pep is not a LEGEND in premier league rather at Manchester City.
Simon speaks the truth, Klopp isn't a PL legend. He isn't on the level of Jose or Wenger, if anything he is on the level of Claudio Ranieri, if not below.
Klopp 1 Epl title ( not a premier league legend)
Alan Shearer 1 Epl title ( Premier league legend ✅)
Steven Gerard 0 Epl title ( premier league legend)
🤡
One is a manager, the other two are players. Not judged with the same metrics 🤡
Owned by tinkermans comment!!! Hold that L buddy..
If Klopp is a PL legend then so is Joe Mercer, ex Man City manager. Won the league, won the FA cup, first English team to win a European trophy and an English one in the same season.
He is a Liverpool legend not a PL legend but is teams were badass. Great great manager that bar City could have won multiple league titles.
Klopp has made an enduring impact on the premier league! He wont be forgotten any time soon by any set of supporters - he took a bang average squad and won every trophy available. This season the squad he had available was a mid table squad - he got the best out of them and no other manager in the league could of done that (my opinion). Is he a legend? He is my legend. If we are going on legends whats the benchmark for premier league? I would argue I Aston Villa won a premier league that would make Emery a legend! Pep winning premier leagues with Man City....??? Mwah.
Klopp is a premier league legend from a Villa fan with no agenda.UTV
Wrong!!
Subjectively speaking if u r a Liverpool he is a legend 4 sure but objectively lots of coaches have won multiple league trophies compared to his 1
I know what Simon's saying rubs off on in the wrong way, but when you look at it as a whole you'll see he's got a point. I do believe people are looking at Klopp's achievements too emotionally, yes there's no doubt he's done incredible things at Liverpool winning all the important trophies for them during his tenure but in order for him to a be a true PL legend he would have needed to win a few more PL's, one more CL/EL and maybe some FA Cups as well. He'll defo go down as one of the most iconic/respected managers of the Premier League.
The standards are so high, like when we're talking about the elite we're talking about Ferguson, Guardiola, Mourinho and Wenger, managers who have won multiple PL titles amongst other cups, with all due respect to Ranieri (especially for Leicester's title), Ancelotti and Conte who all did great in the PL as well. Klopp for me sits just below Wenger, if Klopp had won another PL title this season alongside a EL then that would have been up for debate going 50-50, with people putting the preference of Klopp over Wenger due to being more successful in Europe, then for Wenger over Klopp for boasting an Invincible side and more consistency. But of course, we all know that he'll leave as a Liverpool legend and an amazing manager/representative of the PL that will forever be iconic and never be forgotten.
How can you call Wenger elite? 22+ years only 3prem titles and 0 European success
After thinking it through I almost agreed but I have to change my mind and say he is a premier League legend.
It goes beyond the mere stats of 1 League title. It's how he did it and what he brought to the premiership.
In the 2 other seasons he finished second, he got more points in any of fergies title winning seasons. That's something.
As with *ALL* subjective opinions in football, there isn't a wrong or right answer, so it's a waste of time arguing about it.
It’s not subjective at all. He’s won so little compared to the best that he isn’t in the discussion.
@@znhait Feel free to point me in the direction of *PEER REVIEWED* scientific studies proving the *FACTUAL* existence of Premier League Legends with *VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE* as well as the *INCONTROVERTIBLE* criteria for determining who is and who isn’t one. 🙄
@jamiebaker8017 LOL!!! 🤡 Plastic fanboys like you are hilarious (and not in a good way) 😄😆😂🤣. If the erroneous comment you wasted time posting is correct, you’ll have no trouble rising to the challenge that @znhait has failed spectacularly to meet: Point me in the direction of *PEER REVIEWED* scientific studies proving the *FACTUAL* existence of Premier League Legends, with *VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE* , as well as the *INCONTROVERTIBLE* criteria that is used to determine who is and who isn’t one.
I would wish you good luck with that, but truth be told you’d be better served buying yourself a dictionary and looking up the word subjective. I’ll give you a clue: *PERSONAL OPINIONS ARE NOT OBJECTIVE FACTS!!!* 🙄
But this isn’t subjective he’s not a premier league legend…. He’s a Liverpool legend that’s it… facts are not subjective they’re objective and brutally honest… just because you don’t like the result doesn’t mean it’s not true
@@jamiebaker8017 LOL!!! 🤡 Mentally deficient plastic fanboys like you are hilarious (and not in a good way) 😄😆😂🤣. If the erroneous comment you wasted time posting is correct, you’ll have no trouble rising to the challenge that @znhait has failed spectacularly to meet: Point me in the direction of *PEER REVIEWED* scientific studies proving the *FACTUAL* existence of Premier League Legends, with *VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE* , as well as the *INCONTROVERTIBLE* criteria that is used to determine who is and who isn’t one.
I would wish you good luck with that, but truth be told you’d be better served buying yourself a dictionary and looking up the word subjective. I’ll give you a clue: *PERSONAL OPINIONS ARE NOT OBJECTIVE FACTS!!!* 🙄
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I would wish you good luck with that, but truth be told you’d be better served buying yourself a dictionary and looking up the word subjective. I’ll give you a clue: *PERSONAL OPINIONS ARE NOT OBJECTIVE FACTS!!!* 🙄
If you ask united fans right now would you take what Klopp has won + being up there competing they'd snap your hand off.
2 time FIFA Men's Coach of the Year winner
Liverpool in Premier League terms stand among a small knit community alongside Blackburn & Leicester as one hit wonders! 🖕🏼
Klopp - 5/36 🏆
If Slot comes in and win 5/12 ie 3 years, Klopp’s forgotten
He might be a legend in Liverpool but not I the premier league. Only 1 compared to all managers before him and currently
I can't disike man city cause of Kompany and KDB, but the money stigma remains. klopp legacy is untainted by the money side of it. In any case, it's not always about the trophies won. Sometimes it's about intangibles. Klopp is a PL legend just not in the same bracket as some other legendary coaches.
Klopp is a great man. I think he's a legendary manager too, but his human traits are what make him special.
The number of disabled kids or people with health or mental problems he wrote to personally will never be known.The things he did for them too will largely go unpublicised.
He had Pep and City to contend with, and Real Madrid in Europe otherwise he'd have won many more trophies than he has. All with miserly owners in FSG.
Sir Alex should be lucky he is not in prison for his rage mentality. Great success but a terrible way of conducting himself. Try doing that today. He would get a fist on his nose from a player or two.
hes not a legend but hes deffinatley a PL icon and been great entertainment. But sorry Pep ignoring the MIA charges is a legend. hope klopp changes mind takes over bayern in summer
Klopp Has 3 x Of The Top 10 Highest Points Totals In Premier League History With 99 x Points, 97 x Points & 92 x Points 👀
Winning trophy what defines greatness
@@balajiraju4157 Just The Full Set - Premier League, Champions League, Club World Cup, European Super Cup, FA Cup, League Cup 🏆 .. & A Possibility Of 2 x More Premier League Titles Dependant On The 115 x Charges 👀
And 2 of those were failures so why should we care about points totals… they only get that high when the rest of the league sucks anyway
Premier league titles are what defined a premier league legend… that’s it..
nobodys arsed really, he would be if it wasnt for lance armstrong fc
Simon Jordan should go the Kop end & tell this statement to the 55000 Scousers …
It takes more than trophies to make a legend. Klopp deserves every plaudit as an EPL & Champions League legend
It wasn’t the final to get us the trophy but yet everyone still talks about beating Barcelona 4-0
It's the same as saying that Mourinho is a La Liga legend. He is not, not by a damned sight.
He is definitely up there with one of the best, I think leaving with 1 league title is besides the point. He is just unfortunate that his time here is overshadowed by pep and the resources that city have.
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@@jamesdshannon99 same difference 🤷♂️
@@AFC_HIGHBURY yea you’re right tbf
@@AFC_HIGHBURY also I hope you can go on and win it on Sunday, hoping for a David Moyes miracle as well
@@jamesdshannon99 cheers, fingers crossed but it's a long shot.
What frustrates me is that Guardiola has lots more millions to play with than Klopp. Same goes with Mourinho, Ferguson & Wenger. Imagine what Klopp could have done with more money with Liverpool. Not to mention Ferguson and Mourinho didn’t have Man City breathing down their necks every five seconds. So If you look at it from that perspective with the money Liverpool have then Klopp is a legend
Wrong on so many levels go do some research Liverpool is one of the biggest spenders in the league since klopp arrived…..
The games changed ! I think what he achieved is gonna make him a small legend!
Ranieri is a bigger legend than Klopp
WHERE IS HE NOW? , THE LEGEND.
I disagree. Jurgen is a PL legend simply for his charismatic leadership. He has the aura and feel for any fans to be part of. Simply the man, the legend. Who cares what Simon says. He does not represent anyone.
He will be announced as Barcelona s new manager.
There are not many definitions of the word legend, get the man a dictionary. According to Collins a legend is someone who is very famous and admired by a lot of people. People will be talking about Klopp in 50 years time. That is a legend.
I’m no Liverpool fan but he is a EPL legend purely because of the moments. Is he on the same bracket as Sir Alex or Pep? No because simply they won more titles and they are above in success but premier league is also about legacy they left with the teams they left behind, title races and moments and Klopp has provided that with his teams and off pitch throughout his tenure. Put it this way, Steven Gerrard is regarded by many to be a premier league legend and get in an all time Premier League 11 but he has never won it!! So is he not a EPL legend?
He’s a cult classic, not a best seller. And I’m cool with that
so what do you measure it in then 🤔
Spot on, Simon!!! 👍
Without Klopp City would have walked this league for almost a decade. Obviously Simon wants city to reign supreme.
He is a potential legend off the pitch with his personality but on it he is not a legend in the premier league.
A legend in the premier league needs to win multiple titles and klopp has only the 1 title.
Get real there's plenty of legends who haven't even won one PL title. Are you saying to me Gerrard isn't a PL legend? Ian Wright has only won 1 title, guess he's not a legend. Gary Speed, absolute stalwart player, 16 seasons in the Premier League, not a legend. Mo Salah, only 1 title not a legend. Alan Shearer, the leading goal scorer in the Premier League era, only 1 title not a legend.
All you have proved, is that your critera for "legend" status is ridiculous and that you are a complete cretin.
I also disagree with simon too.
Facts 💯 from Simon
1 PL in 9 years and he got peppered by Madrid twice in CL finals
needed two league titles more