Dude 8Ball and MJG weren't radio friendly. That's all there is to it. I'm from the south and in order to play any of their music. You'd have to do some serious editing. By then what's the point of playing.
Great point.. but not just hot 97.. in Canada all they play is mostly Drake and ignore all the local talent.. imagine if NY and LA only played German Hip hop
I get exactly where Lord Jamar is coming from about the quality of Hip Hop music.... that just seems to be these days as if record labels or just throwing any thing out just to DESTROY the youths of this GENERATION!!!😡😡😡
My points: 1) from Melle Mel to Rakim to Nas Rap was on an upswing constantly getting better but now it has MOSTLY regressed. 2) You can turn up all you want but don't bombard me with it 24/7. 3) Trap beats & flows are cool but why everybody gotta sound the same?
this new era is funny because they are all vibing to the same beats now...you can't tell them apart...last time i checked from my era, we called that biting and there is nothing innovative about that...i like some of the new acts only when they have different sounds.
Dmaccabees Trap music and the southern style of hip hop is like REGGAETON! Same basic beat pattern! They might switch the keyboard arrangement slightly!
man, you cant tell the difference between Spanish language trap music and English language trap music nowadays. Im serious. I was listening to the radio last night and you cant tell.
Real talk most new songs take from the old school rap...so I dont see how they can defend there beats...and beats have always mattered but the old school wanted to murder a hot beat not dance to it
Just call it mumble rap. That works just fine. It's like hair metal. It was so far removed from Rock and Roll it had no place being called Rock and Roll.
If you are from the new school and can consciously say out of your mouth that Tupac is a two on a scale of one to nine, I can’t rock with you. You don’t have to like Tupac per se, but I would argue that you have to respect him. I was born in 1981 and didn’t come up on Run DMC for instance. I would say in general, the 80’s aren’t necessarily my favorite decade of hip hop. I will be damned though, if I relegate a figure like Rakim or Kool Moe Dee to a rating of two......because I understand that without them, there would be no Nas, Biggie, Jay-Z or Tupac, who I did come up on. The problem with a lot (not all, but a lot) of these new artists is they don’t pay respect to the veterans in the game. Vince Staples called Biggie and Tupac overrated because they didn’t sell as many records as Kanye West. That’s an incredibly ignorant thing to say and he deserved every bit of backlash he got. Pay respect to those that made it possible for you to do what you do......that’s what it’s all about at the end of the day.
The same thing happened with heavy metal. The heavy metal purists hated it when the hair bands like Poison and Bon Jovi blew up. They've gotten back to their roots and I believe hip hop will to
5 Magnetic Good point...I grew up knowing a little about the metal and hard rock bands. I saw dudes screaming on those hair bands lol. That's another thing, my era knew and listened to all types of music...so the young cat is limited. my household had Etta James, Otis redding, Coltrane, Fanta all stars, earth wind and fire, reggae all at the same time. my family and our neighbors borned that into us! Peace
@@sha9infinite450 indeed, we rocked with our parents stuff, the artists were remaking old songs, different genres, etc. Like you said the youngins are extremely limited and keep themselves in a bubble. Some of the stuff I hear is cool but alot of it sounds the same but it'll only last so long and hopefully the next wave will get us back to our roots. Peace
They couldn't argue the "picture book" example at all because it was that spot on towards how ridiculous it is to listen to a song and not understand the lyrics (or have basically gibberish as the lyrics). Made it even better when he said "picture books are fine sometimes, I just don't want picture books ALL the time". Lord J always 100% on point no matter the scenario.
"The beat helps us talk now" I get it now. It's all about the beat. The rapper is more a compliment to the beat. They can care less about writing books of rhymes.
I was born in 92 and I studied the greats. Most of the time only listen to late 80s and 90s hip hop. Underground hip hop today is in a good place but mainstream hip hop today is trash period.
First, stop falling on the melody angle. Black Moon, Bone Thugs, Missy, even Pac and The Bad Boy sound, melody is nothing new. And they was rhyming too, Second, “change” and “expanding the culture” is not the same. Esp when you don’t even care or know anything ABOUT the culture, last, Everybody uses the same argument, but shows the ignorance. “I’m sure when you was coming up you wasn’t rocking with the 80s and 60s music.” So the argument is always, “yall wasn’t rocking with your OGs either.” FALSE. Just listen to HipHop from the 80s, it sounds like a new flavor of BLACK MUSIC from the 70s. Listen to music from the 90s, you not only still hear Al Green, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, etc, but you also hear 90s emcees collabing with the dopest from the 80s. LNobody was outright just dissing and disrespecting the legends. FALSE. Now it’s cool to troll and disrespect. But, really it don’t matter. Because the top selling hot artists is still true to the roots. Drake going to battle rap functions, doing tributes to The Wu. Kendrick, Cole, Wale, KRIT, you already know. Even Meek keeps it true. It’s all perception. If you only rely on radio and the club to hear the real, it’s not there.
Jaquae to Lord Jamar: "i'm sure you weren't rocking with the 80s or 60s music, you know what im sayin, you had to create somethin" Me: True, but the difference here is that we didn't shy away from advises from our elders... we showed love, admiration and respect to the guys that came before us. BIG and Pac had their 90s style but that didn't stop them from showing love and respect to the old school cats from the 80s, something that most of your generation isn't doing. Sure, you're quick to agree with me when I say part of it is our generation's fault for not educating our youths but lets be real, a lot of youths from your generation don't want ANY advises from anyone. They're attitude is more like, 'Yo you had your day pops, i'm doing it my way".
Im 25 born in 92 ive studied hip hop and defiantly evolved like everything has but that doesnt mean we dont respect our past or the people who paved away for us
Unfortunately rap should have categories just like rock music. You have hard rock, soft rock, Metal, punk rock etc..,, I feel like rap should have that- , Trap , Hardcore, Dance rap, political, etc..,, Back in the day different types of rap all existed together- you could have De La Soul, Public Enemy, A Tribe called Quest, EPMD, RED MAN, NWA, Queen Latifah and Luke all playing on the radio in the same day and everybody would be happy with it!! In fact a lot of different types of groups could do shows together and they would sell out all the time!! Radio now gets stuck on the same shit too much!!
Reef B .....now dats da sho nuf truth!!!! And it's the reason late 80's to about '96 is considered or referred as THE GOLDEN ERA of HIP HOP!!! It was such a beautiful time to hear all of those good cuts by so many artists on one radio station!!! Shoot....when I'm gettin' right for work on any given mornin', I may literally bump The Message, Mama Said Knock..., Life's a B!tch, Slow Down, Gin & Juice, Follow the Leader, Bonita Applebum, Time 4 Sum Axshun & so on, appreciating such a hip hop gumbo!!! 👂💗😁
Jamal Vines His margins of era is too wide. I was born in '69, and growing up in the late '70s, I listened to the music my parents listened to. Another thing, the young generation makes the excuse that the older one's should show them the way. That's true to an extant, but if you know that, then do your own research and stop saying that.
I remember a very similar debate going on in 1996-1998 with comparing new artists like Mobb Deep, Puffy/Mase, No Limit with Run DMC, Rakim, and KRS. Back then old school was considered the early to mid 80s. And new school was Nas and Jay z.
It’s actually funny that there’s an argument cause essentially everyone vibe to the same things. The most respected artists of the new school actually do old school stuff. Drake, Kendrick, & J. Cole we all can agree are the most influential artists currently. J. Cole is a combo of Nas, Jay Z, Tribe Called Quest sonically. Drake don’t mumble. He just makes dope songs & I’d probably compare him to LL COOL J in his universal appeal. Kendrick is probably a combo of all of them
The real point is the lyrical content and substance PERIOD. TBH that's a state of mind/information thing because not everyone has the agenda to do that esp in this era. For someone like KRS-One or Public Enemy type, the whole point of their movement ( as with others) was to kick knowledge and spread information in lyrically creative ways. For whatever reason the young artist weren't passed down that legacy and/or really take to it. I don't think young rappers today are really sitting in the studio really with the mindset of crafting a body of work with a message or deeper meaning. That element is the core essence that gives rap the credibility as a an artform. Aside from the theatrics and the gimmicks, the content and lyrical wordplay lends itself to skill. There is a place for that in the mainstream but it has to be married to song structure and melody. Kendrick and Cole balance the content with song structure. Their should be more or a balance for the audience, but DJs are to blame in a lot of cases for this. DJ was the curator in many respects, and the removal of the DJ killed Hip-Hop IMO!!!
Let these youngsters have their fun and do what they do just like all of the people before them. Things change and will never be the same as yesterday and 10 years from now these youngsters will be saying how different the game is. It is all part of social engineering to keep people at odds in this type of music and in every institution that the powers that be has their hands in.
Hip Hop is not dead, you got to dig deeper to find out. Rappers like Chris Rivers, Oun-P, Dave East, Action Bronson, Joell Ortiz, Bodega Bamz, Young M.A, Termanology & others are spittin' bars.
He should've talked about freestyle music,techno hop and miami bass that was all music n bumpin! So we understand this is all new to the youth so they think they got fire when its really a mirage. Unintelligible words don't make it great just say i dont care about the lyrics cuz most cant sing or rapp so they ride the wave of the hype. we used to say Go, Go, Go!!!! that was when the rapper had a flow and was doing his thing on a energetic level.These kids now don't have that they let the beat go or don't have a beat n hype themselves up out of nothing. You can never understand what the older man is sayin til you been there we've already been young thru the same thing. Y'all just dumbed down the way those haters of our culture love it. They don't want another Tupac, Nas etc It get people thinking n revolutionary. Lets all do drugs, bounce,kill each other, n flash our riches n talk about bxxxches. Destruction mentally, spiritually, and artistically. Killin the voice of Hip-Hop.
Like two Pac said if it wasent 4 the old school wouldn't b no new school new school old school rule y all some producers is dewing is sampling lord Jamal speak truth everybody got game at the end of the day nobody can Nock.nobody hustle it's about respecting each other jz can't knock the hustle
But how is it “About the beat now” when you’re all using carbon copy beats with the same basic patterns? Someone please explain. Ever sit next to someone playing Trap music or sing rap on their headphones 🎧? The beats are INDISTINGUISHABLE! That same tick of the high hat! Ridiculous! Whenever I come through bumping some REAL SH*T I stand out!
If you 40 or close to 40 i apologized for all of us. It's a new era, the Y2K generation , terminator, the Me2 movement, The Gay, Lesbians, more security's more violence, more killing etc, 90's was fun the Biggie & Pac struggle who wanna miss that. 90's will live 4ever
Not ONLY did we respect our elders but we showed respect by integrating their music into our new sound hence, SAMPLING! A FUNDAMENTAL of Hip Hop! You can't know where you're going if you don't know where you've been. And as others have said we do reach out to the youth but troll consciousness has taken them over. The one thing Hip-hop was and intended on doing was bringing everyone together but the mentality now is very crabs in a barrel. For me to get shine or recognition I have to bash other rappers ...even though I sound JUST LIKE THEIR @$$. Hip-hop is and was also a reflection of the environment. Remember when we were growing up, we had tools in school such as Phonics and the RIF (Reading Is Fundamental) Campaign. When we went home even on Summer Breaks there were book reports that were MANDATORY! Even if we weren't learning we were because you had Elders who repeated and tested you on not only History but Current Events. This generation are products of what the school system became. Lack of funding, phonics taken from schools (so they don't hear how the words ACTUALLY sound / being able to enunciate "mumble rap"), and aging out kids. Advancing kids solely on their age NOT their educational level was NEVER a good idea but the powers that be WANT to keep folks ignorant. So NOW this is what we're being subjected to. And if you bring these topics up to this generation(not all but most) watch them get MEGA tight and offended because they can't articulate their feelings or they may say something hurtful and lash out as a defense mechanism because the truth is an ugly thing sometimes. Nor do they have the patience or (sometimes) the maturity that we WANT TO KICK SCIENCE with them, to let them see that society let them down and see that partially it's not their fault. We're not bashing them we're here attempting to enlighten them.
If all that matters to you is the beat, then STFU trying to say who the g.o.a.t. is! In your case, it should be the producer! Why not just listen to instrumentals then? A dope beat is cool, but that don't have shit to do with who is the best rapper/lyricist. Period.
Y'all keep saying 'hip-hop', but this discussion is NOT about 'hip-hop'... the discussion is about mainstream rap music. Stop allowing the media to define things, please exercise critical thinking people.
Bryant Mungo Bro u must be from the suburbs.......Rap wasn't meant to be for the masses. It's like if everybody has a Fendi belt then it loses it's mystique
It just dawned on me who Lisa Evers is.............................she used to be part of the "Guardian Angels" and married to Curtis Sliwa at one time.......
It's NOT Millenials aka GEN Y. We're 1980-1995. I'm born in 1989 and I can remember hip hop from 1993 onwards. I had the pleasure of having older brother and sister born in 1981 and 1983 respectively so I got to learn more than others my age. But I'd say my year was definitely the beginning of the end. At least those born in 1995 would at least remember Kanye " College Dropout" as they were 9yrs old that year in 2004. It's GEN-Z, the iGen those born from 1996 onwards in general. but some kids born in the late-90s onwards study the oldschool and are talented. So not ALL of them are bad, Joey Badass is great example.
There are some new songs I like but that's mainly cause of the beat and the hook. When I go buy a mixed cd, I have to take my 19yo daughter with me so I can make sure I get the right songs cause I rarely have no idea what the name of the song is and the artists all sound alike.
New school can express emselves with the turn up and beat dominant songs but don't call it HipHop & call it somethin else simple n plain...I had lil funk to the brain...
If u watched Straight Out Of Compton, the older musicians didn’t accept rap. Every new generation is going to be questioned. Now raps are “too real” and considered as self incriminating music. Before that was Lil Pump, Yatchy etc were considered mumble rap. With every new sound comes with a generation before not understanding it.
All I can say out this interview is that I am 21 The New school like all the 18 to 25 year old rappers or age group in general are really Picky, alot will say their parents like pacs music but they don't because they feel that only drugs and partying is music is cool, i think people just defending the music they making
Certain beats and concepts appeal to certain people so it depends on the crowd you pleasin. You cant expect a teen to like jazz jus like you cant expect an adult to like hip hop Nobody got made at biz Marke or Das EFX The Worlds Evolving Forever Imagin 100 years from now.
Something they did not touch on which is what my thing is with new school, every coast sound the same. Back then you knew east coast even by the beats alone, west coast etc... to me every rapper today sound like south rappers and Im from the south so I know. Thats what LJ is getting at "no variety". Thats like Wu Tang rapping over a trap beat, Cypress Hill doin crunk music. I dont need to know the name, I know Too-Short the moment I hear him, Scarface, Snoop, Pac, Cube, Big, 8-Ball & Mjg, Pimp C, B-Real, , E-40, Eazy E, even Kid Frost, etc...today everybody sound the same.
Mumble rap works in the club cuz 9 out of 10 times your high. Bent and turnt up on the beat....if im driving or in the house chillin i honestly dont wanna hear that shit
Even haters got game it's nothing wrong with that music bizz a compational Competitive compational game times change u gotta change with some of the time stay focuse salute souljahs.kings queens love u peace
Aite..... Clearing throat....... Hip hop....is the culture... Rap is one sector of the hip hop culture... Lamest terms.... hip hop is a house And rap is a room in the hip hop house..... We are missing Graffiti, break dancing,beat boxing ,turntabilism , cyphers..... That's what's missing...but....we still have street entrepreneurs, Street fashion, jewelry, females,....it's overflooded the art or culture rather.........we need leaders in this culture that understand through experience,humility,self control, eloquent speakers and doers that can make this culture In their 1% to rally and stand strong but not dance all the time.......it's common sense people...call a dog a dog etc... Speak to me in your lyrics to encourage or inform or for the people to acknowledge and stop the singing...leave that to people that really sing and take singing serious and not for popularity.....anyone that feels different....do the knowledge first don't speak out of turn .....Peace....P.S. some idiot is going to thumbs down or negatively speak against what I just said....watch...
Plus, the heart of conversation in truth must be felt in many areas instead of one....Acknowledgement is key........if I'm looking at anything....I want to UNDERSTAND what I'm viewing instead of just viewing....wake up kids.....put the toys away
Homeboy said Tupac was a 2.just to get his name heard.with social meadia everybody wants to go viral.it doesn't matter good or bad.i never heard of dude until then.
Lord Jamar was bang on when he said hip-hop went from being a talent contest to being a popularity contest.
some mainstream bullshit in Rap music always existed.. look it up.. it goes wayyyy back.. its not a new thing..
Dude 8Ball and MJG weren't radio friendly. That's all there is to it. I'm from the south and in order to play any of their music. You'd have to do some serious editing. By then what's the point of playing.
8ball and MJG Still Fly and Sho Nuff. And sho Nuff had to be heavily edited
Yeah and the female host is corny... get her the fuck outta here. She is not hiphop... and I'm a young nigga sayin this.
Radio station like hot 97 is part of the problem, playing the same trash all day.
Sabrena Black facts!!
True. However at one point Hot 97 was a respected platform for the culture.
Great point.. but not just hot 97.. in Canada all they play is mostly Drake and ignore all the local talent.. imagine if NY and LA only played German Hip hop
Big fax!
92.q do the same thing
I get exactly where Lord Jamar is coming from about the quality of Hip Hop music.... that just seems to be these days as if record labels or just throwing any thing out just to DESTROY the youths of this GENERATION!!!😡😡😡
They started doing that once gangsta rap kicked in.
The rappers of today are just EFFIN LAZY.
Thats facts. Part of cuz you didnt have a studio on your computer. Dudes back in the day had to work hard as fuck for this
Lord Jamar went in.
always does
My points: 1) from Melle Mel to Rakim to Nas Rap was on an upswing constantly getting better but now it has MOSTLY regressed. 2) You can turn up all you want but don't bombard me with it 24/7. 3) Trap beats & flows are cool but why everybody gotta sound the same?
this new era is funny because they are all vibing to the same beats now...you can't tell them apart...last time i checked from my era, we called that biting and there is nothing innovative about that...i like some of the new acts only when they have different sounds.
every city has and had their own sound tho. and everyone from that area got the same typa sound
Dmaccabees facts all day!! You can actually play a lot of the new music back to back and it sounds like 1 long song!! SMH!!!
Dmaccabees Trap music and the southern style of hip hop is like REGGAETON! Same basic beat pattern! They might switch the keyboard arrangement slightly!
man, you cant tell the difference between Spanish language trap music and English language trap music nowadays. Im serious. I was listening to the radio last night and you cant tell.
Real talk most new songs take from the old school rap...so I dont see how they can defend there beats...and beats have always mattered but the old school wanted to murder a hot beat not dance to it
Hip Hop peaked in the 90s
Its all downhill from here
Let's not call this music hip hop if they will not acknowledge the elder. Call it Urban contemporary
Just call it mumble rap. That works just fine.
It's like hair metal. It was so far removed from Rock and Roll it had no place being called Rock and Roll.
THANK YOU!👏👏👏
I agree.
Speak on it lord
If you are from the new school and can consciously say out of your mouth that Tupac is a two on a scale of one to nine, I can’t rock with you. You don’t have to like Tupac per se, but I would argue that you have to respect him.
I was born in 1981 and didn’t come up on Run DMC for instance. I would say in general, the 80’s aren’t necessarily my favorite decade of hip hop. I will be damned though, if I relegate a figure like Rakim or Kool Moe Dee to a rating of two......because I understand that without them, there would be no Nas, Biggie, Jay-Z or Tupac, who I did come up on.
The problem with a lot (not all, but a lot) of these new artists is they don’t pay respect to the veterans in the game. Vince Staples called Biggie and Tupac overrated because they didn’t sell as many records as Kanye West. That’s an incredibly ignorant thing to say and he deserved every bit of backlash he got.
Pay respect to those that made it possible for you to do what you do......that’s what it’s all about at the end of the day.
It about the respect of the craft
couldnt agree no mo'
da new rap of 2018 is grabage...
So true. The new rappers need to learn from the legends.
They should just change the name of this genre with these new age artists involved who are given a platform and not call it hiphop.
Suraj Odekunle i said the same thing call it somethin else don't associate it with Hip-Hop they really degrading the culture.
Suraj Odekunle FACTS!!
Fuck boy music would fit nicley
Slip-Slop?
Lisa’s an agent
D- Best She’s been that since the ‘80s
WENDY WILLIAMS 2.0
Msboochie2 looks like it. No black people hardly work there huh. Smh
D- Best hell yea!
Wtf is an agent? White people, Mexican people, no other race thinks like that.
The same thing happened with heavy metal. The heavy metal purists hated it when the hair bands like Poison and Bon Jovi blew up. They've gotten back to their roots and I believe hip hop will to
5 Magnetic been sayin this for years. History repeats itself
5 Magnetic Good point...I grew up knowing a little about the metal and hard rock bands. I saw dudes screaming on those hair bands lol. That's another thing, my era knew and listened to all types of music...so the young cat is limited. my household had Etta James, Otis redding, Coltrane, Fanta all stars, earth wind and fire, reggae all at the same time. my family and our neighbors borned that into us! Peace
@@sha9infinite450 indeed, we rocked with our parents stuff, the artists were remaking old songs, different genres, etc. Like you said the youngins are extremely limited and keep themselves in a bubble. Some of the stuff I hear is cool but alot of it sounds the same but it'll only last so long and hopefully the next wave will get us back to our roots. Peace
I hope you're right
Nah not this generation. A bunch of fuckin clowns. Wishful thinking tho
you don't have M.C.'s anymore, you just have rappers. Why? lack of education
They couldn't argue the "picture book" example at all because it was that spot on towards how ridiculous it is to listen to a song and not understand the lyrics (or have basically gibberish as the lyrics). Made it even better when he said "picture books are fine sometimes, I just don't want picture books ALL the time".
Lord J always 100% on point no matter the scenario.
I think that it's dangerous to only care about the beat of the so-called song bcuz the lyrics can suggest the listener to do crazy shit.
Def Rocker facts, which most music of the music does now days.
"Rap music is what you do, Hip-Hop is how you live" -KRS-ONE
Lord Jamar da God. Thanks for sharing this knowledge
"The beat helps us talk now" I get it now. It's all about the beat. The rapper is more a compliment to the beat. They can care less about writing books of rhymes.
I was born in 92 and I studied the greats. Most of the time only listen to late 80s and 90s hip hop. Underground hip hop today is in a good place but mainstream hip hop today is trash period.
A variety of music plus we had 120 lessons to grow on.
First, stop falling on the melody angle. Black Moon, Bone Thugs, Missy, even Pac and The Bad Boy sound, melody is nothing new. And they was rhyming too, Second, “change” and “expanding the culture” is not the same. Esp when you don’t even care or know anything ABOUT the culture, last, Everybody uses the same argument, but shows the ignorance. “I’m sure when you was coming up you wasn’t rocking with the 80s and 60s music.” So the argument is always, “yall wasn’t rocking with your OGs either.” FALSE. Just listen to HipHop from the 80s, it sounds like a new flavor of BLACK MUSIC from the 70s. Listen to music from the 90s, you not only still hear Al Green, Marvin Gaye, James Brown, etc, but you also hear 90s emcees collabing with the dopest from the 80s. LNobody was outright just dissing and disrespecting the legends. FALSE. Now it’s cool to troll and disrespect. But, really it don’t matter. Because the top selling hot artists is still true to the roots. Drake going to battle rap functions, doing tributes to The Wu. Kendrick, Cole, Wale, KRIT, you already know. Even Meek keeps it true. It’s all perception. If you only rely on radio and the club to hear the real, it’s not there.
Jaquae to Lord Jamar: "i'm sure you weren't rocking with the 80s or 60s music, you know what im sayin, you had to create somethin"
Me: True, but the difference here is that we didn't shy away from advises from our elders... we showed love, admiration and respect to the guys that came before us.
BIG and Pac had their 90s style but that didn't stop them from showing love and respect to the old school cats from the 80s, something that most of your generation isn't doing.
Sure, you're quick to agree with me when I say part of it is our generation's fault for not educating our youths but lets be real, a lot of youths from your generation don't want ANY advises from anyone. They're attitude is more like, 'Yo you had your day pops, i'm doing it my way".
This lady is very combative with Lord jamar. She's on the Jac jock
I agree, 100%!
This is probably indicative of her biased towards him for the amount of stuff his says about 'white people' on Vlad TV!
Jamar's book analogy was on point.
Im 25 born in 92 ive studied hip hop and defiantly evolved like everything has but that doesnt mean we dont respect our past or the people who paved away for us
Drewski is a millenial trying to separate himself from us...I'm 36 born '82 and I'm a millenial...
Damn !!!, i was in a NYC club watching TUPAC perform in 1992 !!!, i was 21 years old :o
Unfortunately rap should have categories just like rock music. You have hard rock, soft rock, Metal, punk rock etc..,, I feel like rap should have that- , Trap , Hardcore, Dance rap, political, etc..,, Back in the day different types of rap all existed together- you could have De La Soul, Public Enemy, A Tribe called Quest, EPMD, RED MAN, NWA, Queen Latifah and Luke all playing on the radio in the same day and everybody would be happy with it!! In fact a lot of different types of groups could do shows together and they would sell out all the time!! Radio now gets stuck on the same shit too much!!
Reef B .....now dats da sho nuf truth!!!! And it's the reason late 80's to about '96 is considered or referred as THE GOLDEN ERA of HIP HOP!!!
It was such a beautiful time to hear all of those good cuts by so many artists on one radio station!!!
Shoot....when I'm gettin' right for work on any given mornin', I may literally bump The Message, Mama Said Knock..., Life's a B!tch, Slow Down, Gin & Juice, Follow the Leader, Bonita Applebum, Time 4 Sum Axshun & so on, appreciating such a hip hop gumbo!!! 👂💗😁
Dude said '80s & '60s music. His timeline is off
Jamal Vines His margins of era is too wide. I was born in '69, and growing up in the late '70s, I listened to the music my parents listened to. Another thing, the young generation makes the excuse that the older one's should show them the way. That's true to an extant, but if you know that, then do your own research and stop saying that.
Jamal Vines i would also say there's been a huge generational gap, I would say from '87 to present.
Def Rocker _ really?..lol..I just like that your nitpicking...awwmannn..lol
namreh72 got that right. 90% of this new ish is waack
Def Rocker _ I completely understand 👍, you really got search for the good ones and it's really really really hard these days.
I don't like her. Really not feeling her interviewing style.
Art is subjective, but SKILL & CRAFT aren't. My lil bros & nephews (cuz I'm only 28 lol) no longer develop their art.
Let's just create categories or genres and not call it all the same so we can have some peace and everyone can have his/her own lane.
I remember a very similar debate going on in 1996-1998 with comparing new artists like Mobb Deep, Puffy/Mase, No Limit with Run DMC, Rakim, and KRS. Back then old school was considered the early to mid 80s. And new school was Nas and Jay z.
It’s actually funny that there’s an argument cause essentially everyone vibe to the same things. The most respected artists of the new school actually do old school stuff. Drake, Kendrick, & J. Cole we all can agree are the most influential artists currently. J. Cole is a combo of Nas, Jay Z, Tribe Called Quest sonically. Drake don’t mumble. He just makes dope songs & I’d probably compare him to LL COOL J in his universal appeal. Kendrick is probably a combo of all of them
Joyner Lucas is doing his damn job.
Don't give me a picture book every day ok youngins? We need books with words peace family...😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏😏
This is what radio station and media dictate who is popular🤔.....
Cason Tha Commentator that’s why they call it radio programming!! Programming these people to believe in only one thing.
Tyrone Billings well said
Cason Tha Commentator ppl let the radio station dictate whats popping Brain wash the youth is the agenda
Eq gilliam I know my comment was sarcasm
Hip-Hop is the culture and rap is a component of Hip-Hop
The real point is the lyrical content and substance PERIOD. TBH that's a state of mind/information thing because not everyone has the agenda to do that esp in this era. For someone like KRS-One or Public Enemy type, the whole point of their movement ( as with others) was to kick knowledge and spread information in lyrically creative ways. For whatever reason the young artist weren't passed down that legacy and/or really take to it. I don't think young rappers today are really sitting in the studio really with the mindset of crafting a body of work with a message or deeper meaning. That element is the core essence that gives rap the credibility as a an artform. Aside from the theatrics and the gimmicks, the content and lyrical wordplay lends itself to skill. There is a place for that in the mainstream but it has to be married to song structure and melody. Kendrick and Cole balance the content with song structure. Their should be more or a balance for the audience, but DJs are to blame in a lot of cases for this. DJ was the curator in many respects, and the removal of the DJ killed Hip-Hop IMO!!!
Let these youngsters have their fun and do what they do just like all of the people before them. Things change and will never be the same as yesterday and 10 years from now these youngsters will be saying how different the game is. It is all part of social engineering to keep people at odds in this type of music and in every institution that the powers that be has their hands in.
Rappers nowadays just wanna make you dance as opposed to delivering a meaningful message or displaying their mastery of the vocabulary.
Hip Hop is not dead, you got to dig deeper to find out. Rappers like Chris Rivers, Oun-P, Dave East, Action Bronson, Joell Ortiz, Bodega Bamz, Young M.A, Termanology & others are spittin' bars.
The problem with hip hop, like this debate, is that half the people controlling and participating in it aren't from the culture
19:20 sure looks like you are painting him villian
18:20 what is this guy talking about? It's always been driven by the rhythm. Makes no sense and shows lack of experience.
Lord Jamar is ABSOLUTELY right everything he said.
LMMFAO when he said radio DJs have any say so in what's played. Last I heard it's the same six songs all day on repeat...
Does hot 97 input old skool hip hop on their playlist daily? That would help. Also they should have some of the younger generation on that panel
Dj Skinz facts
And let’s not forget that these niggas were “young” rapping as well
we are in the era of the special olympics for hip hop. Short bus hip hop
Like Krs1 said. Rap is something you do/Hip Hop is something you live!!
Lord Jamal is the only person
Who knows what he’s talking about
He should've talked about freestyle music,techno hop and miami bass that was all music n bumpin! So we understand this is all new to the youth so they think they got fire when its really a mirage. Unintelligible words don't make it great just say i dont care about the lyrics cuz most cant sing or rapp so they ride the wave of the hype. we used to say Go, Go, Go!!!! that was when the rapper had a flow and was doing his thing on a energetic level.These kids now don't have that they let the beat go or don't have a beat n hype themselves up out of nothing. You can never understand what the older man is sayin til you been there we've already been young thru the same thing. Y'all just dumbed down the way those haters of our culture love it. They don't want another Tupac, Nas etc It get people thinking n revolutionary. Lets all do drugs, bounce,kill each other, n flash our riches n talk about bxxxches. Destruction mentally, spiritually, and artistically. Killin the voice of Hip-Hop.
I thought this was gonna be rappers playing family fued😔
Like two Pac said if it wasent 4 the old school wouldn't b no new school new school old school rule y all some producers is dewing is sampling lord Jamal speak truth everybody got game at the end of the day nobody can Nock.nobody hustle it's about respecting each other jz can't knock the hustle
But how is it “About the beat now” when you’re all using carbon copy beats with the same basic patterns? Someone please explain. Ever sit next to someone playing Trap music or sing rap on their headphones 🎧? The beats are INDISTINGUISHABLE! That same tick of the high hat! Ridiculous! Whenever I come through bumping some REAL SH*T I stand out!
If you 40 or close to 40 i apologized for all of us. It's a new era, the Y2K generation , terminator, the Me2 movement, The Gay, Lesbians, more security's more violence, more killing etc, 90's was fun the Biggie & Pac struggle who wanna miss that.
90's will live 4ever
Not ONLY did we respect our elders but we showed respect by integrating their music into our new sound hence, SAMPLING!
A FUNDAMENTAL of Hip Hop!
You can't know where you're going if you don't know where you've been. And as others have said we do reach out to the youth but troll consciousness has taken them over. The one thing Hip-hop was and intended on doing was bringing everyone together but the mentality now is very crabs in a barrel. For me to get shine or recognition I have to bash other rappers ...even though I sound JUST LIKE THEIR @$$. Hip-hop is and was also a reflection of the environment. Remember when we were growing up, we had tools in school such as Phonics and the RIF (Reading Is Fundamental) Campaign. When we went home even on Summer Breaks there were book reports that were MANDATORY! Even if we weren't learning we were because you had Elders who repeated and tested you on not only History but Current Events. This generation are products of what the school system became. Lack of funding, phonics taken from schools (so they don't hear how the words ACTUALLY sound / being able to enunciate "mumble rap"), and aging out kids. Advancing kids solely on their age NOT their educational level was NEVER a good idea but the powers that be WANT to keep folks ignorant. So NOW this is what we're being subjected to. And if you bring these topics up to this generation(not all but most) watch them get MEGA tight and offended because they can't articulate their feelings or they may say something hurtful and lash out as a defense mechanism because the truth is an ugly thing sometimes. Nor do they have the patience or (sometimes) the maturity that we WANT TO KICK SCIENCE with them, to let them see that society let them down and see that partially it's not their fault. We're not bashing them we're here attempting to enlighten them.
If all that matters to you is the beat, then STFU trying to say who the g.o.a.t. is! In your case, it should be the producer! Why not just listen to instrumentals then? A dope beat is cool, but that don't have shit to do with who is the best rapper/lyricist. Period.
I don't wanna read picture books all day either. lmao.
It seems like Lisa wants to disagree with everything LJ says. She's on the defense with him. He's just keeping it real, deal with it.
Lord Jamar is killing it!
hahahaha, "then why do i have a book" lmao get em jamar!!!
Lisa Evers is Tryna get at MY A ALIKE CMON LISA STOP IT
Y'all keep saying 'hip-hop', but this discussion is NOT about 'hip-hop'... the discussion is about mainstream rap music. Stop allowing the media to define things, please exercise critical thinking people.
Ahhhhh, at the 10:47 mark they make the distinction to some degree... thank you.
Rap music is done...forever
good
Done in what way ???, because research and studies show that Rap Music is the # 1 most consumed and listened to MUSIC in AMERICA
Bryant Mungo Ur comment reaffirms my point
sorry but im still confused ??
Bryant Mungo Bro u must be from the suburbs.......Rap wasn't meant to be for the masses. It's like if everybody has a Fendi belt then it loses it's mystique
Bet you they don't know who the kings of the 808 beats was back in the day. Coldest was Matronix!!!!!! Dr. dre, Egyptian lover, Etc...
Lord Jamar had me rolling!!!!!
It just dawned on me who Lisa Evers is.............................she used to be part of the "Guardian Angels" and married to Curtis Sliwa at one time.......
I was born in 91 and know how it all started with dj kool herc in the 70s.
It's NOT Millenials aka GEN Y. We're 1980-1995. I'm born in 1989 and I can remember hip hop from 1993 onwards. I had the pleasure of having older brother and sister born in 1981 and 1983 respectively so I got to learn more than others my age.
But I'd say my year was definitely the beginning of the end. At least those born in 1995 would at least remember
Kanye " College Dropout" as they were 9yrs old that year in 2004.
It's GEN-Z, the iGen those born from 1996 onwards in general.
but some kids born in the late-90s onwards study the oldschool and are talented. So not ALL of them are bad, Joey Badass is great example.
People don't know the tradition of Hip hop and rap
The dum are MOSTLY intrigued by the drums...... - Masta Killa
lol ..this video is a perfect example of 'The Secret of the Oozlum'
There are some new songs I like but that's mainly cause of the beat and the hook. When I go buy a mixed cd, I have to take my 19yo daughter with me so I can make sure I get the right songs cause I rarely have no idea what the name of the song is and the artists all sound alike.
That’s inaccurate! He said we weren’t vibing with the 60’s music! We were SAMPLING THAT MUSIC, FOOL! There’s that lack of historical knowledge again!
New school can express emselves with the turn up and beat dominant songs but don't call it HipHop & call it somethin else simple n plain...I had lil funk to the brain...
If u watched Straight Out Of Compton, the older musicians didn’t accept rap. Every new generation is going to be questioned. Now raps are “too real” and considered as self incriminating music. Before that was Lil Pump, Yatchy etc were considered mumble rap. With every new sound comes with a generation before not understanding it.
All I can say out this interview is that I am 21 The New school like all the 18 to 25 year old rappers or age group in general are really Picky, alot will say their parents like pacs music but they don't because they feel that only drugs and partying is music is cool, i think people just defending the music they making
Certain beats and concepts appeal to certain people so it depends on the crowd you pleasin. You cant expect a teen to like jazz jus like you cant expect an adult to like hip hop Nobody got made at biz Marke or Das EFX The Worlds Evolving Forever Imagin 100 years from now.
These new guys are intuitive its the indigo generation.
Something they did not touch on which is what my thing is with new school, every coast sound the same. Back then you knew east coast even by the beats alone, west coast etc... to me every rapper today sound like south rappers and Im from the south so I know. Thats what LJ is getting at "no variety". Thats like Wu Tang rapping over a trap beat, Cypress Hill doin crunk music. I dont need to know the name, I know Too-Short the moment I hear him, Scarface, Snoop, Pac, Cube, Big, 8-Ball & Mjg, Pimp C, B-Real, , E-40, Eazy E, even Kid Frost, etc...today everybody sound the same.
Lord Jamar is smart asf
Mumble rap works in the club cuz 9 out of 10 times your high. Bent and turnt up on the beat....if im driving or in the house chillin i honestly dont wanna hear that shit
I'm with Jamar on this he killed it
Divide & Conquer!
Even haters got game it's nothing wrong with that music bizz a compational
Competitive compational game times change u gotta change with some of the time stay focuse salute souljahs.kings queens love u peace
It's too many rappers not enough MC's.
Lord jamar!!
Far lo Lord Jamar basically dissed Hot 97 while on Hot 97 hahahaha
“That's a man, baby.”
People don't even like the lyrics just the beat
well done Lisa
Aite.....
Clearing throat.......
Hip hop....is the culture...
Rap is one sector of the hip hop culture...
Lamest terms.... hip hop is a house
And rap is a room in the hip hop house.....
We are missing Graffiti, break dancing,beat boxing ,turntabilism , cyphers.....
That's what's missing...but....we still have street entrepreneurs, Street fashion, jewelry, females,....it's overflooded the art or culture rather.........we need leaders in this culture that understand through experience,humility,self control, eloquent speakers and doers that can make this culture In their 1% to rally and stand strong but not dance all the time.......it's common sense people...call a dog a dog etc...
Speak to me in your lyrics to encourage or inform or for the people to acknowledge and stop the singing...leave that to people that really sing and take singing serious and not for popularity.....anyone that feels different....do the knowledge first don't speak out of turn .....Peace....P.S. some idiot is going to thumbs down or negatively speak against what I just said....watch...
Plus, the heart of conversation in truth must be felt in many areas instead of one....Acknowledgement is key........if I'm looking at anything....I want to UNDERSTAND what I'm viewing instead of just viewing....wake up kids.....put the toys away
Thats right.. Salute to the God Lord Jamar
Lisa seems to have been compromised
Homeboy said Tupac was a 2.just to get his name heard.with social meadia everybody wants to go viral.it doesn't matter good or bad.i never heard of dude until then.
Millennials were born in 1980 and up
I would have asked lil xan if tupac gets a too who gets a ten