Javed Akhtar Exclusive On Controversy Over Faiz Ahmed's Poem 'Hum Dekhenge'
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- Опубликовано: 1 янв 2020
- In an exclusive conversation with India Today, renowned lyricist Javed Akhtar speaks about Faiz Ahmed's poem 'Hum Dekhenge' and the controversy over it.
IIT-Kanpur has formed a committee to inquire into a complaint against the recitation of Faiz Ahmed Faiz's noted poem 'Hum Dekhenge' on campus by students to express solidarity with their peers at Jamia Milia Islamia.
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0:36 Javed Akhtar speaks about Faiz Ahmed's poem 'Hum Dekhenge'.
4:10 Javed Akhtar explains Faiz Ahmed's poem 'Hum Dekhenge' verse by verse
7:23 Javed Akhtar says Faiz Ahmed's poem 'Hum Dekhenge' was written against the Muslim fundamentalist
12:13 Javed Akhtar says for the first time in his life, he feel good that Faiz Ahmed did not live to see this day.
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Do not contain a poet under linguistic limits of religion
Great, but I would like it hear the same from people who experienced loses on the hands of people like Faiz and his army. It's so easy for no-loss people to take a high moral ground. Till then, I guess I would refrain myself from celebrating wound inflictors so that I don't add to the wounds of my own people. Don't you think it's a much more sensible approach?
Poetry was a facade to deride Hindus. Scratch him you will find a jihadi
What about VANDEMATARAM poem.. song.... Why narrow minded Muslims look it from religious lenses and boycott it....
JA is Kapati and hypocrite...naquabi ....dhokebaaz..
@@ksrksr6551 every single muslim students sings vandematram from his or her childhood...kya baat karray ho yar
@@ahamasmiarinm High moral ground/ideals seem like the only way to go. If no-loss people or even suffered people for that matter don't forget and move on we will keep getting back to square one. Section of people find Mahatma gandhi their ideal and some people find Godse. How does one decide? Life is what what you make out of it. It's up to us whether we choose compassion, wisdom and courage or hatred, foolishness and fear as our virtue for the way forward for humanity.
I would like to say life not binary. True way lies somewhere in the middle. Middle way is the only way out to the ultimate goal of life of bliss and ease.
India today not given enough time Javed sir to explain the poetry in detail that poetry is not anti Hindu.
Ha ha ha.. its ur interpretation.. why shud we read the poetry which is ambiguous... we are not all language experts .. most of us just Google words and based on that the interpretation is quite hindu phobic.. we believe we can reach god even by being atheist .. not through Allah alone..
india today ?
Who is Faiz? Some of his secular credentials
A radical Muslim who was votary of creation of Pakistan.
Went to Pakistan and stayed there.
Became Cultural Minster under Bhutto, responsible for killing and raping millions in Bangladesh. Didn't write any poem then.
Married a christian and converted her to Islam
Wrote a peom against his political rival Zia and rediculed Hindu way of life.
And this soft radical Javed Akhtar is painting him as he he was a atheist.
@@vicky1b all of your points are factually incorrect....faiz didn't commented on the validity of partition ever but he did wrote a poem against the situation of partition....he didn't "went" to Pakistan,he was born and lived and worked in the region which become Pakistan....he didn't become culture minister but he was a culture advisor under ministry of education and has never held a political office ever...he wrote two poems during the Bangladesh freedom struggle and highlighted the violence committed on bangali populace...
There is no record of Alys faiz(his wife) ever converting to Islam...faiz has never espoused islamist views,he was a staunch communist and headed the progressive literary movement...
You don't have the first idea about the guy and yet you putting so much hate on him
@@khizerliam9776 btw Pakistani left can give complex to right wingers of India and good luck defending faiz.
Wo baat saare fasane me jiska zikr na tha... Jo baat thi hi nahi.... Wo baat unko bht nagawar guzri....the best explanation
That is power of philosophy....
The whole perception and many thoughts are within these two lines....
my god....i luv this person so much....this govt. hates the people who are intelligent and educated
Biswajit Chakravarty sure, but on payrolls of their masters. This agitation demonstrates how low quality of education they are getting as well as they think that their clever but mean, wicked, fraudulent narratives they could fool people and topple government and help elect old partners in their gang.
@@rational0 so its true, you guys have really been brainwashed by that Extremist
@@ashalibrahim2362 Modi is sent by Allah
Javed saab narrated the matter with his immense knowledge of poetry islamic philosophy and hinduism. We must go in his way as very few in India like him could explain the debate
GOUTAM BANERJEE : Oh a Bongali Babu. A part Muslim
V V Padmanabhan padmanabhan, lol, leftist would be a better term to describe them.
@@Iamlatha Ji I am not a leftist. Wrote what I felt suitable
@@goutambanerjee4974 latha Bhardwaj is a IT cell fake account
Debate!! Seems more like he is putting his hesimonistic views like a prophet.
Unmatchable Mr.Javed Akhtar. Country feels proud of such citizens
A poet is writing with duplicity and he is excusing. These people made an issue out of non-issue by cunning way and got violent, take it to majhabi rhetorics and divisive tones. Now they find themselves dejected from every corner of the planet so “gidgidane lag gaye” finding excuses. This is also one of the takiyah trick.🙄
It will be funny when his name doesn't appear in the NRC. Jokes on you
When the sufis said "we have drunk wine before the creation on vine" does this means the Muslim drink wine. No here wine means wisdom. A poem is critical. Students of literature are better placed to dechifer. The poem of Faiz has sufistic parable against dictatorship and not against any religion.
appreciating poetry needs a lot of intelligence...I don't know how that researcher is doing research at IIT
With due respect to javed sab i disagree iwth javed sabs interpretation of marddode haram. Marddode haram doenot mean people who are against relegion. Mardoode haram means ordinary/common people who are not allowed to come close to the rulers and dictators and their royalties. So when the dictatoters or rulers idols will be destroyed those ordinary people will rule.
Yupp😂💢
Wahi toh thsts exactly what javed sahab said, those condemned by the sanctuary
Javed sahib is correct .Mardood haram means those who are considered condemned by religious seat of authority .(self proclaimed /fake in the eyes of the poet ).
Diversion tactics , hide economic failures and unemployment issues , bring in CAA /NCP ,hide the news of protests ,bring in a baseless allegation that this song is anti Hindu , this diverts attention from the protests
CAA NRC is urgent to flush out hoards & hoards of illegal migrants brought here in truckloads by the CON & other parties for their minority votes.
@@Iamlatha oh really , NRC was held in Assam ,of the 20 lakhs illegal immigrants ,15 lakhs r Hindu's ,do u want to throw them out
@@vijay65922 Latha Baradwaj is a fake IT Cell Account
Really building one hundred million toilets does not matter to these citfolk elvish English speakers pretend to be socialist who is the real socialisr
@@arunjetli7909 one hundred million toilets , again neither u nor the party u represent care for facts , please go through the data given by the government , see giving a subsidy of 2500 rs to build a toilet isn't something great , it was done before ,it is being done now ,it will also be there in the future , but the difference being no government ever went around town advertising that we give subsidy for building a toilet ,
This explanation changes my perception. Thanks javed saab
Urdu dushmani mai india jahil hogaya hai.
@@aquilashamim9095 Urdu is INDn, so no issues with that. It's a different matter if people using it think that they and their language belongs to some place else, a country which has made it it's official language. Such issues need handling as well and people are not fools to be not able to see through the efforts of masking something else as an anti-language movement.
By the way "Urdu dushmani" isn't bad altogether, it created the state of BAN. It's freedom struggle is mostly termed as "Bhasa Andolon"(Language movement). However, it was BAN and Urdu wasn't theirs and so they had their issues. I guess here it's not the same. The problem is more with some of the people speaking it rather than the language itself.
@@ahamasmiarinm bhai kitni tankha hai apki.. mery ko b job dilla dou
@@abbasgondal4020 Bhai, jobs don't happen on "dilana", it happens only on merit and excelling the competition. Hope you are aware of that.
Prepare yourself for the competition, become a ranker and jobs would come looking for you. However, people of "dilwa do" clan think that they have done their part by talking birth. Now it's someone else's responsibility to ensure their welfare. Unfortunately it's not and the sooner you realise that the better for you, for your life and for your prosperity.
@@ahamasmiarinm mherbani bhai
True Indian..True Muslim.. Respect Sir Javed Akhtar sahaab..
Lol... He isn't a Muslim! He's a proud atheist 💪
Poetry is for all ppl and all times. This poem against atrocities everywhere
Explain nicely. Shayeri sab ke bas ki baat nhi.
The Great Jinnah said ... Muslims who are opposing Pakistan will spend rest of their lives proving loyalty to India.... . Salute to my Leader "Quaid -i-Azam"
🤟 this zinnah guy after coming to then East Pak for the first time said that Urdu will be the official language of Pakistan. Funny thing is on his tombstone you're going to see Bangla writings. 👏
Thats how a captain of a sinking ship talks about the people who cant escape on his life boat??
Asshole Jinnah, if he had not divided, if Hindu extremists had not agreed with Jinnah, then there would have been no begging here again.
@@bluesque9687 Jinnah was right at that time, this hindu extremism has once again proved his vision
@@guest685 Bhagoda Jinnah if he had not jumped the boat then even though there would have been more clashes.... it would have not killed as many as that died during partition, and over a period of time things would have settled down and Muslims would have been at par with Hindus in claiming share of the resources and revenue. Muslims should have competed gracefully. But stupid Jinnah jumped the gun and left us a Pandora's box of conflicts.
I read and heard this poetry several several time but this hindu muslim thing never came into mind. Still cant able to digest how on earth they find religious enmity in this master piece by Faiz.! Strange and funny too.
Yes brother in 20th century same thing happened with Vande Mataram when some illiterates found it Anti Muslim.
Thank you sir for silencing the Godi media guy😊
Oh God...what the foolish argument on a beautiful poem by the great Faiz Ahmed Faiz shb... And one thing else the anchor and Javed shb both r not doing justice with the soul of poem at all.
I’m thankful that my ancestors moved to Pakistan, it’s heartbreaking that muslims have to explain themselves on tv 🤦🏻♂️
hamzah116 : you’re thankful that your ancestors moved to a country founded on religious intolerance and bigotry where dictators like Zia coded into law the persecution of non-Muslims and where Faiz had to actually write this poem to show his opposition to Pakistani intolerance?
Indeed lucky not to explain my loyalty to anyone , agree with you hamzah!
I'm thankful that my ancestors remain here in India.every country has issues and we Indians are one and we'll deal with our issues please stop bothering about us.
Abu bakr bro, I know its hard for you guys in India these days, May Allah give you strength to combat any acts of persecution by the hundutva elements.
sameer137 Get your facts right our country was made on Islamic principles, that gives minorities equal rights and does not allow legislation that requires any minorities to prove their citizenship and loyalty. India’s fascist govt is targeting muslims in anyway possible, whereas Pakistan’s govt is taking initiatives like opening of Kartarpur corridor. So plz don’t tell us about intolerance, when your courts are giving verdicts against muslims as it happened in the Ayodhya case.
The interviewer keeps interrupting. He needs training.
They are all same. Arrogant and mannerless.
This anchor is not giving Javed to explain the poetry.
Indian news channels are more like noise channels. Noise noise noise rather than news.
@@riashatazim3473 Indian anchors need training as they shout too much. BBC, CNN and Aljarreh can give and they are all BJP, RSS supporters.
Javed Sab and Gulzar Sab some of the sane voices we are blessed with
Such a good explanation of the poem done by Javed sb...shayar ki zaban ko shayar se behtar Kon samajh sakta hai ..
and funny part is those who did not know it will also learn it...Faiz must be laughing up there.
people still confused can watch Cut the Clutter by Shekhar Gupta! Does a good job making us understand!
Urdu should be taught as a subject too in india if not poetry will be misunderstood always
Sanskrit should be taught
@@suhassreehari876 sanskrit is not misunderstood but urdu is definately misunderstood, brother.
"jo manzar bhi hai nazir bhi,.... uthay ga ann al Haq ka naara... " this is actually vedantic philosophy and sufi too. I wish people can open their minds a little bit !
*Jab Javed saheb bol rahe ho us samay chupp raho yaar yah awaaz aane waale varshon mein hamari dharohar hai.*
I think those oppose this poet are very narrominded and foolish .try to understand the soul of this poetry .simple man cant understand this.great poet and poetry
Poetry not always have literal meaning its only metaphor you need to understand it that is what called depth of poetry.
When a poet says "duub jau teri nigaaho main "
Do u really think that man is going to dive in her lover's eyes.
In fact many metaphors are used in this poem that is why it becomes difficult for a person who does not know the language in which it is written.Jawed Akhtar very beautifully tried to explain the poem.
Notice how @7:25 to @7:30 when Javed Sir tries to explain the context of the lines, the anchor interrupts him and disrupts the explanation.
And then the anchor stopped and javed jumped to a different line and started explaing it. Who are you fooling??
Ye news waala hi chashma lagaakar bhi MASNAD ko mansad padh raha hai 🤣 to blind bhakt kya samjhenge.. 😜
😂😂😂Kasam sey😂😂😂
Samjhdaar ke liye ishara kaafi hota hai or bewakoof kabhi nhi samjhta 😂😂
Its just a poem. And againt zia ul Haq Rule. Where hindu came from
Poetry is itself difficult. When it comes to Urdu poetry, you just can't make assumption if you don't know the vocabulary and metaphors and history.
Hum dekhain gain is the example of this case. So if you don't know what it actually mean, you should not comment. Javed Akhtar actually explained this poem very beautifully.
I being native Urdu speaker, I still need help to decode the meaning of this poem. This is not anti Hindu but anti atrocity and that can be done by either religion.
In this poem, Faiz Sb beautifully condemned Zia ul Haqu without mentioning his name.
Sir pl let me know in which yr this
Poem was written?
Pl add to my knowledge
absolutely right , iam afrom Lahore Pakistan , and and its funny to relate this poem to Hinduism ,
Faiz was part of commonest movement that time and he was against that jerk Zia Ul Haq , its a poem of freedom
Javed Sahab keh rahe to sahi hi hoga. He's the rational force who can tackle people like Owaisi and Mamata.
Javed sahib you are a true human being. Person who has courage to stand up for truth is true human being, rest don’t matter.
Wow, Javed sahab, just awesome! I agree it's no way against the the "Hindu" religion but had some other queries and would love to have your thoughts on the same. They are listed below:
1. We all were taught to decipher poems and it's verses by following the poet, his life, his ideologies, his then existing scenario when he wrote the poem. Were we taught wrong?
2. Wasn't this poem published somewhere around 1979?
3. Wasn't Faiz a military man, didn't he lead his men on ground in the 1947-48 battle of Kashmir against IND?
4. Wasn't he involved in most military aggressions against IND being a serving army person?
5. Didn't he try to organize a coo against the 1948 pak govt. for it's failure to capture J&K?
6. Why should we agree with your discounting of such a person just because he is your co-leftist?
In light of the answers, can you say why can't an INDn call it anti-Hindu, at least if one agrees to use the word "Hindu" not as a reference to the religion but to the land, which isn't a totally uncommon reference?
Ha ha
You are very wrong factually on almost all accounts...he was not involved in "most" military encounters with india.faiz was commissioned in 1942 in British Indian army and he worked in public relations...after partition he went to Pakistan army's public relations because he was born and lived in the region which became Pakistan after partition and the unit he worked in was assigned to Pakistan...he was a public relations officer meaning he didn't lead any men on the ground anywhere as it's a desk job and btw even if he did how can you call that anti Hindu?there were duty bound soldiers on India side who fought against Pakistan in Kashmir does that mean they are anti muslim??what kind of logic is that
Faiz left the army in 1947 and mind you the first Kashmir conflict went on till the ceasefire on 5th ofJanuary 1949...
Rawalpindi conspiracy case happened in 1951 and not 48 and it has to do with a lot of things as any political matter....firstly the coup never happened,it was just a plot which was foiled...secondly faiz was not the instigator or leader of the coup,now it's debatable that he was an active member in the plot or not and most evidence suggests he wasn't but what's not debatable that faiz reasons,if he was part of the plot,were nothing to do with Kashmir...it was to do with liaquat Ali khan banning communist partys and alignment with the america,because faiz was a staunch communist and headed the progressive writers movements....
Anyways my point is whoever giving you all this info is lying to you
@@khizerliam9776 I agree to some of your corrections. Should have been more careful, relied on the thought that a leftist won't critique a fellow leftist without facts. Anyways, I stand corrected on some parts for sure and I appreciate you correcting me.
The Rawalpindi incident and his role in it is surely debatable but he did have very close connections with Kremlin. Even without that, Faiz had other twsited shades too, "hypocirsy" being one of them. While he wrote "hum dekhenge" protesting against a dictator, he happily held offices under other dictators. In his service, surely not as a army personnel but as a bureaucrat, he used his communications skills to rally people into fighting against IND simply based on lies. Then, his silence on pak army atrocities in 1971, which lead to the waning of his popularity in new BAN. A marxist going mute even after learning about the plight of the poor is one of it's kind. Then, he hardly wrote anything about other pak army atrocities and misconducts. Either he wasn't able to see through them or he was looking the other way deliberately.
Lastly, elaborating on my logic, you missed the part where I said I had used the word "Hindu" in reference to the land of "Hindustan" and not the religion. It isn't an uncommon reference. So, it's not about being against a religion but a country, a land of the people. In that sense, I guess any opposing army is anti-Hindu on that day. Also, I agree he surely had his orders, he was the hands and the brain might have been someone else but when a wrong is done, one can't really discount the hands, can we?
@@ahamasmiarinm I'm afraid you've muddled up everything and I don't even know where to begin although I must admit you seem genuine because atleast you are making a sensible argument rather then just trolling,anyways I'll give it a shot....
I didn't overlooked your logic regarding 'ant-hindu' but deliberately ignored it because it was irrelevant regarding simple factual mistakes you made earlier but now you have tied it into faiz's characterisation so I'll address it in the end
But firstly I don't know if faiz has links to Kremlin but in no way faiz was instigator of the plot...you have to understand the geopolitical situation of the era if you are going to condemn people to hypocrisy and such...faiz was brought in the government by Bhutto who was a socialist at the time and wanted to steer Pakistan in that direction(although he went a bit fasciyy)...so faiz has served in mostly ministry of culture and ministry of information which suits his talents as a writer and a poet,now in his capacity he is serving his public and all through out he wrote around his ideals of anti-impearlisim and anti-fascism...he was part of ministry of information during 65 war but saying he actively riled up people against India is a complete falacy during the period nationalistic songs were written and produced and sung but they are to boost morale and energies the public to "defend their motherland"..didn't Indian ports and writer wrote such songs??
He wasn't exactly silent on Bangladesh freedom struggle either,he wrote two poems but admittedly they lacked the optimistic revolutionary hot bloodedness and more of a passive resignation into the hand of sarrows...this is a part from one of those
Saje to kaise saje qatl-e-aam ka mela
kise lubhaeega mere lahuu kaa vaavailaa
mire nazaar badan men lahuu hii kitna hai
charaagh ho koi raushan na koi jam bhare
na is se aag hi bhadke na use pyaas bhujhe
mere figaar badan men lahuu hi ktina hai
This was the reason of decline in his popularity in then east Pakistan and not that he was mute but he was not as vociferous as he was in his youth,mind you he was 60+ by now and experienced long incarnations,exile and faced potential death sentences by now and was lost man and which is visible from his work overall during this time...also he was in ministry of culture so wasn't even responsible for coordinating nationalistic songs anymore...he resigned in 74 completely...are you really going to condemn a guy for working in a public service for his nation while he didn't took any political seat or any ministership under any dictator and even when in ayub khan's regime he still talked about his ideals...
Lastly about your logic of "anti-hindu" that is just silly academic semantics game...you are not entirely wrong but that is a moot point in this context...can you point to any poem or any of his writings which is unambiguously anti-indian,heck even show me one that ambiguously is anti-indians?
allaah dude is not the only god.. there are many religions... this poem works in islamic republics...oonly
Wordings of poem very much applicable in the present scenario of india. Critics of poem are guilty conscious.
What I have read is that he was opposing Zia Ul Haq because of his specifically anti Mohajir dictates, not on the grounds of democracy and freedom for all.
I have read the poem of" KAFI AZMI" the title of the poem is Gazni Kea But, which can explain here the meaning of But. Pakistan is the Arze Khuda, and But are the persons who have captured highest places.
Beautifully explained by great poet Javed Sahab. But Bhakts will not understand this. RIP my love India
What the thinking level of an anchor
OMG
Try to understand what Javed Sir is explaining.
Humanity is beyond all the religions.
Faiz sb's poem he quoted in context with Indo-Pak partition was actually written over fall of Dacca!
I am afraid that when Javed Sahab is gone, there is no intellectual of his caliber to carry forward his legacy in the Indian media space. His knowledge in combination with his wit is absolutely unmatchable.
Sir it's good try ,u r justifying this poem,
Ofcourse its against brutality, evil and ofcourse against Hinduism.
Poet was loyal to Pakistan. If javed akhtar is against modi doesn't mean he is against India.
The same way poet was against zia not anti Pakistan.
It is as silly as it can get.
A scholar and a poet in his own right has explained on Hum dekhangay. Let me give a thought with humility. The poem Hum Dekhangay was heard by in in Faiz’s own words in a BBC documentary. Inspired I tried to compose a tune again based on an SD Burman composition - Dekhi zamanay ki yaari. It was written against the rise of fundamentalism, we are told. No Mr Akhtar Pakistan was formed a theocratic state in 1947 of which an erstwhile member of PWA opted to be a citizen - the first hypocrisy of people of this faith. He was exiled after Bhutto was hanged - until then a devout Pakistani. He wrote against his exile. We have no issues against that - when Military dictatorship under Ayub Khan Wass acceptable. He supported Bhutto when genocide of East Pakistan was undertaken with tacit support of West Pakistan. So much for his contribution but moving on how it’s relevant to anti-CAA movement? “Sab buth Utway-e jaayenga...” in Hum dekhangay needs a relook. Buth used in the poem may mean idols...or may mean institutions. Now Mr Akhtar before calling us ignorant decide whether it meant idols or institutions. If the former - then it becomes anti-Hindu. If the latter- it becomes the constitution of India. CAA is an act of parliament. People who disagree have courts to question. Instead it appears they are paid to undertake protests. Civility is absent and demagogues now tell us of separating North-East, at 31 years of age, tax payers must pay for them to study PhD at JNU...perpetual student? If justice was so dear, then you should have woken up post 19th Jan 1990 to stop genocide by a particular community. A genocide that the community leaders stoked in 1946 to displace Hindus from their ancient homes. My parents were among them. “Rekha o kaa khel hain muqaddar...Rekha o se maat kha rahey ho...”
It's not about to whom the original poet addressed this poem to, it's about how the current Indian communists are using it to gather and instigate anti Hindu mindsets.
The anchor is not allowing Javed to express fully .
in urdu..it is called 'tamseel" تمثيل"...like ghalib use the word sharab or mai ..in islam it is forbidden but he use it as tamseel
Jawed Sir! Respect!!
Javed saab dont say they don't understand. They are afraid of this kind of sweet words
In the poem Annal Haq wordly means I am God. Mansoor was hanged for these words. But in actual it means I am right. So there is no controversy in it.
*Exactly*
Why VANDEMATARAM poem song is seen from majahbi chashma by Muslims.........
Remember not the entire population of India and Pakistan are poets like Javed Akhtar to understand the poetry. Mr Javed should know everyone will make their own story that's what is been happening for 7 decades hoping that this crises ends soon. So the people of India and Pakistan live peacefully.
Javed Akhtar is right, one doesn't know whether to laugh or cry. The media has become a mischief maker, how can this poem be anti-Hindu, it is so expressly aligning with the Hindu principle. "i am brahma"
He can sway the meaning of this poem in different direction, but he doesn't have any rights to call IITians peacefully protesting as bigots at 13:20 , and he praises the students of JNU/JMI/AMU who would straight forward curse hinduism and would raise slogans like 'Hinduon se Azaadi'.
Isn't he calling the administrators at IIT Kanpur who constituted a panel to investigate students as bigots ?
The slogan chanted were "Hindutva Ki Kabr Khudegi". Now if you don't know the difference between Hindutva (Ideology of BJP and RSS) and Hinduism then there is no point of further discussion.
@@Kartikeya97 Bro, you are telling about protest in AMU where 'Hindutva' word was used and I am referring to the slogans that were raised in Jamia University where 'Hinduon' word was used. Let us for a moment forget about 'Hinduon se azadi' slogan than also who have given these rioters the right to call anything about Hindutva. How can they phrase anything with the word Hindutva, and we may be given a third world explanation of the lines by anyone else. This is our tolerance that we are still taking it with only some words in comments, but if it would have been on other side, bloods do shed as they can't tolerate, and it has been seen worldwide, either be it in Charlie Hebdo case, or anywhere else.
@Shehzadi Pari muslimah Don't term me as a bhakt or one who would watch godi media. I respect your religion, please ask your acquaintances to respect mine. Nothing more would I want.
@@abhinavanandrajput that was not Hinduo...it was( in dono ki Kabr khudegi) referring to tadipaar and Dangai Prime Minister... It was godi media who again manipulated it like they manipulated jnu slogans in 2016
Well done javid akhtar. Now try, yeh ghazi yeh teray pur israr bunday, jinhain tu nay bakhsha hai zaukh e khudai. Do neem in ki thokar say sehra o darya, simmat kar pahar un ki haibut say rai.
I could not understand what authority IIT, Kanpur, has got who manufactures engineers, who deal with machines has caliber to interpret the poem of Faiz whether it is anti Hindu or anti national or anti muslim or against fanatics? Leave such matters to the people of literary field. These days people in power in political field are teaching history and religion with their half baked knowledge to gullible masses.
Thanks. Javed Saheb for explaining this poem.
Simple - enemy of enemy is my friend. If Faiz saheb wrote against a bigot and a dictator like Zia an India hater, then Faiz.saheb and his words against Zia are friendly to us Indians and Hindus.
I am with Javed Akthar saheb on this one.
context matters, against ISIS its not communal, in India the very word Allah as bas there namm is not acceptable no matter what the background is. Mohammed had given nonbelievers and idolaters of kaaba (hindus of mecca) 3 months time to chose and his 3 options were.
1. Run away with ur families
2. Convert to Islam
3. Or get killed
And all their idols were destroyed
Now telling entire world is kaaba the center of all evil things itself is unacceptable.. kaaba itself is the heights of communalism, can I do idol worship there?
Next, this entire world is God's, who the hell is he to tell its God's, don't enforce ur views on us keep it within ur rooms.. keep ur opinions to urself, not interested in any god nonsense no matter what the context is..
Bus Allah ka naam rahega, now Allah himself is controversial, he has given revelations like those who don't accept him have to burn in hell forever, slaves will remain slaves till they convert etc etc no matter what twist u add to link it to Hinduism that word Allah is never acceptable in India keep it inside ur house.. and this is same as saying entire India is Hindu why did u guys object then?? Its the dominion of radical muslims in control.
@@gokusupersayiandbgt sir, if we were to measure today with past, do you think the OBCs and SCs and STs should ever forgive or forget what the upper castes have done to them and are doing?
If fundamentalist islamists are stupid so are many.
But there are many upper caste today who are not like their forefathers. Thankfully.
Is the average Muslim as bad as Islam says as per you?
I value peace and live and let live view of Hinduism.
I have many muslim friends who are decent human beings. Some share a drink some don't drink. One is a Sufi. One an atheist, few are strong believers.
I have a friend who are born to a Brahmin and Muslim woman.
Anyways, being human is important.
@@soonyanaidu7875 I am obc a naidu, I will never forgive anything as long as they exist, if they don't have that qualities they r not that and Hinduism is not a organized religion its followers define wt it is from time to time.
Problem with Islam is it is organized and it is evil, they can never accept a part of it wrong and will reform.
Islam stands on the belief that its not corrupt and can never be changed and is perfect.
Is there any muslim who accept few things are wrong with their religion and support a secular world such that u and me can live with total religious freedom even in mecca and madina, ask ur Muslim friends this.. I have asked all my friends ove a hundred ppl and the ans was clear 100% no.. I would say 99% would not accept u com4 in places wr they r fully Islamic..
According to a research 78 muslims want sharia in the world , thats not a minority..
I would never blame ppl, its the same brain, same badly dna throughout the world, problem is Islam, r they ready to be open give up and correct Islam if it's wrong even if it claims that it is from God.. I don't think so..
Mohammed the founder,
Gave 3 options to the ppl of mecca and madina and the options were.. in 3 months.
1. Run away with your family
2. Convert to Islam
3. Get killed, will muslims accept even prophet could have been wrong in many places?? If s bring such ppl and show me
@@gokusupersayiandbgt all semitic religions are tribal religions. Tribes depend on in and out feeling, and hence become exclusionary. Agricultural religions tend to be inclusive since agriculture is interdependent.
According to Joseph Campbell.
Our sastras/smritis also say lot of retrograde things about soodras and ati-soodras.
Like you said the practices or practiced form is important.
Like a Tukaram the bhakti movement also gave rise to Sufism.
Islam is not monobloc, there are so many schools. It's the Saudi backed wahabi school which is fundamentalist.
The Indian varieties most of them seem to be different. Anyways we have Aga Khan followers, Ahmediyas , Khojas and so on.
Anyways, we have 14 percent of Indians following that faith.
Best regards
@@soonyanaidu7875 when I see the basic nature of humans there r only 2 types of religion, humans r basically political, power hungry, tribalistic group forming and violent.. religions were formed these qualities reached their heights and taken forms of organized religions, they spoke of how to build a group to face the world...... all such religions the base itself is corruption, they have to come out of it..( all these fashionable statements r sustaining it, wrong is wrong)
and then there r religions which got created by realizing this brutal nature of human, such religions didn't have a name or group organized they spoke of spirituality and self transformation and the world transformation, because we r the world, if we fundamentally change world naturally inevitably changes.. their names just got created due to geographical quantities or some other criteria.. they were not organized.. unfortunately they too were used by political ppl and got corrupted.. Hinduism at surface level has dirty things, but the core wr teaching of enlightened ppl were recorded there r unbelievably psychological facts, which might actually be the only real solution to the world.. the same in buddhism and jainism
Wonderful explanation.. perhaps we the people of india will become educated enough to come out of narrow mindset and appreciate art which is boundarieless..... let's comeout of critism, hate and dominative behaviour and spread love and harmony.. abusing other not alwys proves your patriotism we can be more indian by loving others and spread fraternity and brotherhood..our strength lies in WE THR PEOPLE OF INDIA not I ..collectivesnrss and diversity r our strength..we togather fought for our independence..
I love the line ..." Jo tum bhi ho aur hm bhi hai "
A poem good in one context may not be that good or salutary in another context. That is the problem I think that has cropped up here.
Faiz sb was not an atheist, he was liberal. Ahle Safa is not from cleanliness but from a hill in Macca named "safa". The explanation of Anl-haq is as ghastly as possible. Poem is a symbol of struggle against establishment but Javed sb is putting it forward in a light which suits him!
Poems are not written for one situation or time. This poem is for justice everywhere and against Injustice anywhere for all times. It gives the msg that natural justice stays on course based only on THE TRUTH. Not on twisted, altered, hidden or changed truth. The poem is giving the msg of Karma also. Pure, eternal truth as Injustice and lies by nature are bond to perish. Lazim hai hum dekhenge
by opposing these poem they make it more famous .great poem by faiz sahb .
V. NICELY EXPLAINED BY JAVED AKHTAR JI .
WHOSOEVER R CRITICS NOW FOR FAIZ POETRY , I FEEL THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW LOVINGLY OLD GENERATION WAS LIVING UNITEDLY & NO DISCRIMINATION AT ALL. MOREOVER IT IS LOVE FOR URDU SHAIREE .
REALLY SAD OF TODAY"S GENERATION TO THINK IN NEGATIVELY FOR SUCH A GREAT SHAIRE.
OMG !! GOD BLESS SUCH PEOPLE WITH LOVE.
Yess💕
Some people are nailing him.For God's sake don't do that if you can't rise to his intellectual level.He is the only learned person in entire tinsel world of India.Even if he differs on certain issues,he is within his right to do so being an Indian like you and me.
Highly knowledgeable person Javed saheb in india. He is a proud to India. Respect sir.
This poem which great FAIZ AHMED FAIZ sb wrote is against all the religious fanatics doesnt matter whether he is Muslim extremist or hindu extremist. Its fit perfectly at that time when a Muslim extremist Zia ruled Pakistan and now it fit perfectly on India when a hindu fanatic is ruling India.
There is nothing but change. India is on the threshold of evolving into a most concrete Democracy.
And anything that happens is for our good only.
The agitation against this CAACT, NRC, NPA has united Indians once again.
Muslims are flying Tricolor National flag. Hindus are marching along side Muslims. Christians gave accommodation for muslims in a church to conduct namaz.
What else, Hindutva people are reciting Vande mataram instead of Bharat mata ki jai. Janardhan Prasad.
Woh yaar hai jo khushboo ki tarah
Woh jiski *zubaan Urdu* ki tarah
کبھی خود پہ کبھی حالات پہ رونا آیا
بات نکلی تو ہر اک بات پہ رونا آیا
ہم تو سمجھے تھے کہ ہم بھول گئے ہیں ان کو
کیا ہوا آج یہ کس بات پہ رونا آیا
کس لیے جیتے ہیں ہم کس کے لیے جیتے ہیں
بارہا ایسے سوالات پہ رونا آیا
کون روتا ہے کسی اور کی خاطر اے دوست
سب کو اپنی ہی کسی بات پہ رونا آیا
Let javed akhtar complete his sentences,just asking questions you have prepared. These new interviewers do not have the ability to judge the room and ask questions accordingly. Javed Akhtar had to stop what he was giving his explanation.
Javed akhtar with sarcastic smile 💟
Actually this bjp and rss have lost their self confidence telling so many lies to people,they look for loop holes to cover the lies they make.
Arze khuda ke kaba means power center, respected place
The poem was written for an authoritarian regime as an antidote. Thus it is very relevant to India now. And just like then it is a controversy now. I hope you understand the undercurrents.
Someone needs to tell these journalists that you don't talk over your invited guests!
Clearly the journalist and people who had issues with "Hum Dekhenge" did not make any effort to understand the nazm. They let their bigoted thoughts get to them. There's no shame in making an effort to understand poetry and Javed Sir explained it quiet eloquently and in a matter-of-fact way. People losing their minds over such a minuscule issue need to go touch some grass
Sad what a nonsensical controversy , this way entire Urdu shayari is communal ,understand the real meaning no literary translation
I agree with Javed saab but one thing that he could'nt explain was
That Faiz saab was Using so many Religiouse words bcaz he was living with and addressing Pakistani people where 95 % people are muslims and as they say JAISA DESH WAISA BHES.
This Poem was Way Higher Than Hindu Muslim
the fact that people call this poem anti hindu is ironic because it's literally about religious extremism in Pakistan and it's also aparently anti pakistani... I mean dude...the song is anti every country where religion takes over humanity
Pls watch The Public. Third Eye episode 267 for Hindi translation of this poem in the end who do not understand Urdu
_Ab inko Faiz, Iqbal or Quaid ki baatyein yaad anay lagi hain._
People of India hv so much time to waste that they r spending days in discussing a poem that to my view is a non issue.
Truth is never non issue
@@yeshonestly4268 In a situation as bad as in India right now, in my opinion media needs to discuss issues related to people not poem.
It's true that the poem was misinterpreted but to say faiz was pro india is a blatant lie... He was an ardent pakistani nationalist who supported zulfiqar ali bhutto's 1965 war on india through his poems and used it for propaganda.. He was a leftist who hated dictatorship...In Pakistan everyone who gained power eventually turned into a dictator... So faiz was sidelined and hated by everyone in power... He supported kashmir's claim of Pakistan... For God sake don't turn him into a hero
And I thought I would hear Javed sir. Your screaming and drowning his voice. Anal haq given by Mansoor and Rumi.. whatever this poem means it’s an evolved thought and should be respected
If a hindu had written this type of nazm sarcastically against Islam,would it be accepted and explained in this way by Javed Sahab....
Why these wordings had been used which is required to be explained??
No dobut Faiz sahab was a great lyricist and there is also no doubt that to whom he has targeted..obviously these words were used only as anti Hindu propaganda....dont try to cover it up...
100% true
Poems are to be interpreted for the times. It's about where the poetry is used and in what context. Are the protestors using the poem to oppose General Zia ul Haq? No it's been used in the context of throwing out illegal Muslim immigrants. If you say naam rahega Allah ka, it doesnt ring right in a protest.
And stop with this Urdu superiority where u call out everybody and say you are not able to get the subtleties. Absolute nonsense
Allah ka naam ho ya Krishna ka ya ram ka.. kahne ka mtlab toh yahi hai ki upar wale ka naam rahega... poetry is a deep and very subjective thing, please see it through a little bigger perspective.
@@SanjayKumar-rw8gd yes you are right...faiz saheb's poetry is not for everyone.
Pakistan had Zia India has Modi same ideology to survive no difference just hatred
This is a very nonsense translation of the poetry by Javed Akhtar. Yes this legendary poem was written against Zia's regime. But it is 200% fit for current fascist acts by Modi regime as well what he is doing to minorities and in Kashmir. Rather this poem is fit for every struggle against fascist elements in the society and not just for only military dictators. Faiz's every poem is very relevant to unstable circumstances of both Pakistan and India. Gandhi was killed in India and Laiqat Ali was killed in Pakistan. Indra Gandhi was killed in India and Zia was killed in Pakistan. Rajiv Gandhi was killed in India and Benazir was killed in Pakistan. So India must also correct itself in the light of Faiz's poetry.
Ahl e safa were the homeless companions of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) who were not allowed by the 'Gods' of that time to enter into Masjid ul Haram...and when the Help of Allah came, those homeless people was given the ruling of Qaiser o kisra...
Mardood e Haram would mean the wretched of the earth ,the oppressed people
Good explanation salute to Javed Sir
The Modi triggered Hindutva seems to be for India, what Zia triggered Islamic fundamentalism was for us in Pakistan.
Thankfully, we have started pulling ourselves out of it now, but only after 30yrs of long and brutal lessons. Lets hope Indians step out of it quicker.
वो बात सारे फ़साने में जिस का ज़िक्र न था
वो बात उन को बहुत ना-गवार गुज़री है
@7:34 galaxy brained journalist asking such a stupid question !!! Being someone with a background in the arts, doesn't he know what is subtlety and metaphor??? Can't atheists invoke religious imagery to counter religious fanaticism??? Surely this hasn't been done for the 1st time in poetry. Aise sawalon se dimaag ki nasse phat jaye!!! Hats off to Javed Sir for being patient throughout this agonising interview.
Negative logo ny Poetry ko b negative smjhlia ha.😂😂