Correct, every FoMoCo piece of literature I have read regarding MPG with the 3.5EB is exactly that. Designed for fuel economy when not under a tow load and “you get what you get” based on your (towing/trailer) configuration. (10-ply tires, PSI, into the wind vs with the wind, airflow across the tow vehicle then, airflow across the trailer. It could create a parachute effect. (I had a 2011 2WD, XLT S-Crew, max tow package, w/80k 33”x11.5x18” BF Goodrich 10ply KO2’s, pulled a 5x10 enclosed U-haul trailer from San Antonio to Jacksonville, Florida summer of 2016 got 16mpg. I don’t recall the weight of the trailer and cargo but, we were loaded. 300lbs of people. Two dogs = 80lbs together and a few small bags.) Outstanding tow experience. Zero issues. Last August, I traded in for a 2014 Platinum 4x4, S-Crew max tow 3.5EB. 35x12.5x20 BF’s and 3” RC suspension lift. I haven’t towed anything yet but looking forward to a 30’+ Airstream with proper WD hitch (weigh safe and the HD Roadmaster Active Suspension kit.)
@@benjaminsmithson1236 - Regardless of engine size, pulling an enclosed trailer murders MPG. I can personally verify this even with my 6.2L NA V8 pulling from Louisiana to North Carolina and back with a very similarly sized 6x12’ enclosed V-Neck single axle trailer.
When you are talking about highway MPG with a trailer, it is all about wind resistance. A small tail wind or headwind can make a big difference too. It's a simple fact that enclosed trailers on the highway will kill your mileage. I have a 16 foot V-nose tandem axle trailer. I literally get 7-8 mpg on the highway whether it's completely empty or has 3500 pounds of cargo. Around town is different, but who cares about mpg around town with a trailer? Long trips are what sucks up the gas.
I pulled an empty box trailer with my V8 expedition, and I could feel the increased resistance as speed went up. I am a bit shy to invest in a turbo boost gas engine as I feel they require more maintenance and don't last as long as their larger non turbo counterparts. Fuel economy is impressive as it is about the same as my wife's '16 4WD Explorer.
You might want to include data on the winds you were driving in. But, I think your main culprit is speed. The mpg delta between towing at 72 vs. 62 (my preferred speed) could be as much as 3 to 4 mpg.
I use a 2005 2500 suburban 4x4 ext with a 8.1l v8 i tow a 20ft 200lb car hauler with my 2021 rzr turbo s and i get 10 mpg going to my camper spot. That mpg is ridiculous.
I have the 3.5 17 Expedition with a 4100 lb travel trailer and get 10mpg At Steady 60 mpg.. I call the towed unit an air brake, so faster you go you will pay big at the pumps..cheers..
I have a 2010 Expedition 4x4 with the 5.4. Just towed a 5000 car hauler trailer with a tractor in the hills of eastern Kentucky and got around 12.5 - 13 mpg. Speed was running 55-60 most of the time. It is about a 90 mile round trip, no trailer to and loaded coming back, average was 14.8. I reset the trip meter and loaded going back, mostly up, was 13.2. I didn’t need to to add fuel, because mine has a 33 gallon tank, plus total mileage on the trips was only 180 miles. Still sitting between 1/2 and 3/4 tank.
We have 2 3.5 Ecoboosts- a 21 Expedition with the hd towing package, and a 21 F150 Tremor. It doesnt matter if you are pulling 2000 lbs or 7000lbs the fuel economy drops to the 8-9mpg range. Just an ecoboost thing- as soon as you spool up the turbos it’s game over for economy. We have a 26ft Passport SL 221BH travel trailer that is around 6500lbs fully loaded. Have towed it on 2 different trips of around 2000 miles each- once with each vehicle. Economy was nearly identical at 8.8 mpg. We now primarily tow with the Tremor specifically due to it’s 36 gallon tank! That being said we absolutely love this powertrain, Ive owned many 1/2 ton trucks and the towing experience of the ecoboost is so much better than a hemi etc… And unloaded my wife averages 21 mpg daily driving her expedition which is phenomenal for a vehicle it’s size in our opinion.
With my Expedition and R-Pod, I get around 12-14 mpg towing in the relatively flat Mid-Atlantic Region. I also never go higher than 65 when towing. My 2019 had a lift and larger tires, too. My new Timberline is getting around the same but only has bigger tires and no lift (yet). I think it was the speed that impacted the mpg that you saw.
You do have to consider that the 10 speed transmission keeps the rpm’s low and uses the turbos to get the power. While towing it gets pretty terrible fuel economy partially for that reason. We have the exact same one as you and in a similar setup we get similar results. However, unloaded on the hwy we regularly see 22-23 mpg. Empty around town we see 18.6-19. I think you have to pick your poison on this one. The thing that makes it so great as a commuter is also the detriment when towing.
When driving an ecoboost, if you are trying to get good MPG, you drive with the boost gauge up on the dash. If you see the gauge move, you get bad fuel mileage. Fords have run rich for a very long time, turbo fords run super rich in boost. You’ll also notice that if you baby it for long periods of time, then throw some weight behind it, and beat on it a bit, it will “roll coal”, because it’s blowing all of the carbon out of the exhaust that has built up from the east driving. If you aren’t worried about mpg, they are awesome. They have max torque like right off idle and go to the moon, so they pull heavy weight pretty well. I think the most I’ve had behind one was about 12k, on a flatbed, and got an average of 12mpg
Recently purchased a 2014 F350 crew cab with the 6.7 diesel which will see casual as well as towing use (35' fiver). General driving yields a7-18 mpg, but towing is 9-10. It had a 26 gallon tank also. The first thing did was install a 50 gallon Titan tank that fits perfectly in place of the old tank. Wow! Now I can make it to the edge of my 10 acres!
I tow both a 4500# travel trailer and a 7500# travel trailer with our 2021 Expy and get about 9.5 on the smaller, 8.5 on the larger. It all depends on speed, RPMs and wind for me. I usually keep it at 65MPH and do not let it go into 10th gear. Seems to help. You were driving up from Corpus, right? Sometimes those headwinds have killed my efficiency.
Got my wife this exact vehicle (2019 Max Platinum - Max Tow 9,000lbs) except we have the 4x4 and 35” tires. Yeah. I was getting 8-11mpg in Utah towing a 8,700 travel trailer. I’ve also considered upgrading the sway bars to the hellwig. Great family vehicle as you said. Tons of power.
How many total passengers do you have in the expedition max when towing your 8.7k trailer? I’m looking to buy expedition max to accommodate family of 7 and tow 7.5k travel trailer….but I’m getting 50/50 mix response about being over weight limit.
We had an ecoboost F150. It was VERY strong in the MPG department when unloaded. 4x2 2.7L. Regularly saw 25. While towing, it was VERY sensitive to wind profile. And not in the stability way. A low trailer full of gravel/pavers? It could still pull 16mpg. Empty utility trailer like yours? 8. At best. Small camper we had at the time? (Single axle) 8. At best.
I had a couple of Expeditions over the years was always very disappointed in fuel mileage, but liked the vehicle overall. When going on lake or fishing vacations, my wife would tow our 21' boat (4800 Lbs) with Expedition and followed me pulling our 5th wheel travel trailer. My 3500 HD diesel truck pulling a 35' Montana 5th wheel was getting better mileage than the Expedition towing the boat. We constantly had to stop for fuel for the thirsty Expedition. We switched to a GM Tahoe. WOW.... a HUGE difference in fuel mileage and overall and stress reduction when towing. I highly recommend the GM Tahoe or Yukon with 3.0 diesel engine for a daily driver and when towing.
Oh, we also sold our Expedition and went with a 2016 Suburban, depending on the wind i get 9 to 11 mpg. Way better than any Ecoboost, and plenty of power. I just hate the cylinder deactivation.
First, I have to tell you that I have learned so much from you about towing. I really appreciate your content. I currently tow a 6500 lb travel trailer in AZ with a 2019 f150 FX4 with the 5.0 Coyote. It’s not quite as snappy as the 3.5, but very useable. Climbing hills with the trailer I get 8.5 to 9. On the flats with no wind I’ve seen 12.5. Add in a bunch of wind, I’m back down to 8.5. Before that I had both ecoboosts in 2015 and 2016 F150s. I chose to bypass the eco boost due to issues I’ve seen with ecoboosts towing especially in heat. Horrible fuel economy AND overheating. When it overheats it goes into limp mode essentially shutting down the turbos. Ford doesn’t seem to have an answer why. Most recently my friend got rid of his 2018 F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost just for that reason. He picked up an F250 with the 7.3 V8. No overheating and better fuel economy. Turbos create a ton of heat on their own, then add a tow load with poor wind resistance and hot towing environments, you may be asking for trouble. My opinion, for what it’s worth. Thanks again for all you do.
@@carltuckerson7718 That's literally the opposite of reality. The 5.0 spins faster than the 3.5 EcoBoost to generate an equivalent amount of power. It's just always under boost which is where the heat comes from.
General consensus from owners/tuners is the factory intercooler is undersized. Leading to heat soak and a drop in air density at same cylinder pressures.
I share your concerns. I have a 2019 limited expedition non max with the heavy tow package. I tow a 22’ Lund Baron boat which is probably less than 5000 lb between boat and trailer. It tows it well but horrible fuel mileage. I don’t tow super often so the economy isn’t too bad for me but the rig needs a massive fuel tank especially if it’s the max tow package but they don’t offer.
I tow a 26’ trailer that is about 7k with my 21 platinum and I get 9-11 over hills and such. One time going into a head wind I got 8. Not sure why yours is so low. Not my experience with my coachman freedom express. I love the towing experience with such luxury.
Just got back from a 6,800 mile trip towing a 4k trailer w/ a 2020 expedition limited 4x4. If I’m to trust the onboard computer, we got a little under 10mpg. I found the engine and tranny to be happiest in 9th gear at 70mph which was just under 2k rpm. Tow/haul mode doesn’t lock out any gears, but I learned how to use the +\- buttons in standard drive mode (not manual mode) to lock out gears starting from the top down. This was very helpful on the interstates to lock out 10th, but also great in the mountains where I could lock out 8th through 10th which prevented some of the “hunting” the 10 speed otherwise likes to do.
I towed my 2020 passport 2600 bh with my 2015 Audi Q7 V6 Super Charge from San Diego To Houston Tx and I was getting 10 to 12 mpg . And I was impressed.
I have an 08 Expedition with a tuned 5.4L and a 15 Expedition Max Platinum with the 3.5L Ecoboost. The 08 is running 3:31 if I remember correctly (maybe 3:55), 15 is running 3:73. The '15 is also 600LBS heavier. While towing my 7,200LBS trailer I get slightly better fuel milage with my '15. I sit around 10mpg on the flats with the '15 and 9mpg with the 08.
Theoretically 10 speed should always be in the right gear. However the way its programmed is to keep the rpm as low as possible which puts you in boost more often. Keep it out of 9th and 10th gear and you'll get better mpg. Get something to monitor boost/vacuum (the factory half dial doesn't show what's actually going on). My ranger at 70 mpg in the flatlands of Florida stays at a constant 3.5 psi boost in 10th, .8psi in 9th and just barely in vacuum in 8th. 10th gear it averages 19mpg and 8th gear it averages 23mpg
I had same vehicle/trailer setup, i put a drop hitch on so the trailer would pull level and it helped mpg noticeably. Notice your hitch is high and trailer is tilted up, that catches the wind drag somewhat fierce over and under the unlevel trailer and mpg is worse like that. Try out a drop hitch to lower that trailer front and notice much better mpg. Trying to keep my expedition since I just dropped $ maintaining necessary parts went out at 100,000, hope to get another 50,000 miles, the platinum are expensive not to try to get all the miles you can
do you have any idea how much wind that trailer moves? I had an ultra light toy hauler camper maybe weighed 4k loaded with my track gear and motorcycle in my factory lifted on 33's 2017 F150 2.7 eco i averaged 7.5-8.3 mpg.... 10 speed trans etc etc I highly doubt the mpgs would drop much more with a 26ft rv camper 5800ish lb.. 7-8.5 id bet a weeks check on that. My last rv setup was a 2017 Ram 3500 dually fully loaded. I pulled a 40ft toy hauler. average MPG towing at 68mph was 9.3 best i got was 11 with a decent tail wind. that trailer weighed about 14.725 when it was loaded with all my stuff (bikes spare parts gear etc) fast forward to the Slide in camper we had.. 4500s in the bed when ready to camp. average mpgs... 10.75 best i got was 12, once i pulled a 6x10 with my track setup in it and i still got 10.75 ish... the point is the wind + speed will destroy your MPGs
I have to wonder if there isn’t some sort of issue with the Expedition. I have a 2018 F150 with the 3.5 max towing and when I tow my trailer with my side by side loaded in it, which equals around 2300lbs, I get in the teens in mpg. When I recently towed my toy hauler, which weighed around 8000lbs, I got around 8-9 mpg and that was going up and down hills. Maybe speed had a lot to do with it. When towing the trailer I usually drive around 65 and when towing the toy hauler around 60-63. I have noticed that my truck’s mpg is sensitive to speed when it comes to mpg even when I’m not towing anything.
I watched the video, and I've read the comments. What I didn't read or hear from anybody was the quality of fuel used ? Did you use the cheapest, mid-grade, or premium gas, or even club gas? I added club gas because Sam's club and Costco's sell gas, but when I used Sam's gas, my mileage dropped way down even when I was empty. To the point I used a quarter of a tank to drive one way to another town 40 miles away. I now use premium in my suv and it seems to be doing better.
I totally understand your disappointment, but I have a VERY similar limited 2020 expedition with a 6000lb travel tralier that is 29 foot. 23gal tank on the non XL/MAX. I STILL get the same 7-9MPG as you did. It hurts but im not paying diesel prices and it fits in the garage with the use of all 7 seats as adults. I live just north of you and understand the TX heat / issues. Wish we could get more range / bigger tank.
If I am towing my 6X8 utility trailer long distances that weights about 2500 pounds including the cargo I usually get about 12-13 MPG on the highway at 70-75 MPH in my 2010 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 3.7L V6. When towing my 16 foot enclosed trailer that has a total weight of about 7000 pounds with my work truck which is a 2015 F-250 with the 6.2L V8 I get about 6-7 MPG, but most of the driving is around town and there is also a lot of idle time since I am working out of my truck for 10-12 hours per day.
My 2020 expedition gets 9-12mpg towing a 30ft 7,200lb grand design trailer. Increase tire pressure a little and make sure weight is balanced nicely. The hitch limit of 930lbs and payload are big limiters. Only issue is downhill braking on steep mountain passes, expedition relies on transmission and trailer brakes... transmission temp heats up faster than you think even with auxiliary fan.
Think we are forgetting the point here. How many times are you towing with it? I have an f150 with the 2.7 and yes it does use more fuel when towing heavy trailer but... the other 350 days a year it kicks all other trucks ass at daily mpg. If you trailer regularly maybe go to a v8.
So, I have the 2020 Expedition Limited, so it is not the same package when I'm not towing, I get 24-26 MPG. I just took a trip about 350 miles away on it, and went all the way there and back on the same tank. when I'm towing my 8000 lbs camper, I get about 12 mpg. I will say when I'm driving, I drive a lot slower than most, and when on the interstate I'll pull in behind an 18-wheeler and set my cruise so it just follows the truck to maximize the MPG getting a little draft off the truck. when I'm towing, I'm running about 55-60 MPH. I also use Premium Gas to help with the MPG.
What fuel were you using? There has been some discussion lately about the ethanol content in lower grade gasoline versus premium. If the vehicle doesn’t have a flex fuel sensor, and I don’t know if this one does or not, it can’t adjust properly if the ethanol content is too high. And I know there was some discussion about increasing the ethanol content to help lower the cost of gas, but I think this only applied to 87 octane, as premium usually doesn’t have any ethanol.
We have a 2018 expedition. A must for the third row seating for teenagers. Towing a 25’ camper fuel economy is about the same. Also the rear needs load leveling air suspension. Very difficult to get level even with WDH. I noticed our last camping trip fuel economy was a little better if I kept in 8th gear. Less shifting. Going to try that a little more.
This is why I bought a GMC Canyon with the 2.8L Diesel engine. Getting on average about 26mpg around town and 30 or so on the highway (Texas roads). Towing a UHaul 6x12 dual axle trailer going from Austin to Fort Wort (loaded 4-5k total weight) I was getting 19-20MPG. Blew my mind that I was getting that high while towing. I just love this little 4 banger Diesel perfect for my needs. Don't ever tow anything supper heavy so didn't need a bigger truck. I'm looking to get a boat that will be in that 4-5k weight range and I'm sure it will handle that just as easily. My guess before you said anything was >10MPG so not surprised when you said just under 8. That is a gas engine for you and to top it off a Eco boost. Towing keeps that turbo spun up which kills MPG.
I think it's worse because of the tuning of Platinum 440hp? Would be interesting to see how you do with less hp tuning. My expedition doesn't get that bad of mpg with small trailer
I had a 2016 F150 with the 2.7 Ecoboost that got 11.5 mpg with a very similar sized and weighted trailer. That seems to be the thing with the Ecoboost engines. You either get boost or eco not both at the same time.
You have to get the rev's up a bit. Lock out 8, 9 and 10th gear. When the boost gauge comes up, it's time to gear down a little. It will result in better mileage, but only expect about 10 or 11 at those interstate speeds. Reduced speed is your friend. Those turbo's effectively turn that into a 7 liter motor, you have to get the boost down to hope for any mileage while loaded.
I was going to say the same. Lock out the top gear or 2. Lots of complaints here without trying different ways to make it work. The motor is more than capable. Learn how to use it.
Consider the Aero Drag which far exceeds trailer weight concerns , and anytime that 3.5 goes into boost - fuel mileage goes into the toilet. To help lower combustion chamber temps I'd bet the ranch ; the fuel curve fattens up the mixture so you don't burn a piston. Like everyone says it's either eco or boost not both.
My son’s 2005 Volvo XC90 broke down while caravaning with my wife’s 2WD 2010 Toyota Sequioa with the 5.7 L and 244,000 miles. The Sequoia then loaded that 6,000 Volvo and a Uhaul car hauler and 4 people plus all of his worldly possessions (yes, we were over the weight limit on the Sequoia) and it returned 14 mpg from Riverside to Chandler AZ.
I get that same mpg pulling 9.5k trailer with my 2017 F250 6.2l lol. I would of never guessed that kind of mpg on a trailer that size behind that expedition.
i figured 9mpg. Those ecoboost burn more when you touch the gas pedal. That turbo will drink. I am wondering if you you had the newer gm suv with the 3.0 diesel what kind of mileage would you get.
I’m thinking you need to do more towing with it, just to determine if it’s really the vehicle. I can’t say I ever towed anything faster than 70 mph. Did you go up SH130 at all? That’s what I do to avoid Austin. I was getting about 11-12 mpg towing my travel trailer up from SATX to Wyoming. I crossed Wyoming & got 7 mpg. The word “fear” comes to mind when crossing central Wyoming, absolutely nothing along the way. The vehicle resumed its regular mileage after I fueled up again. It didn’t do it on the return leg either. I think I just got some low quality fuel TBH.
We have a 2015 Expedition 4 wheel drive with 28 gallon tank and Max Tow Package. The Max Tow Package has a gear ratio of 3.70 vs 3.11 of the regular Expedition. We tow an Airstream, weighing 7,600# at 62 mph. Depending on winds, we get 10 to 11.5 mpg. We have towed over 50,000 miles and manually figured every tankful of fuel. When we get to 0 miles to go, we have 4 gallons left in the tank. We love our Ecoboost. I believe that your love of speed is the problem.
My 2017 ford explorer with the smaller 2.3L ecoboost engine and 3k lb towing capacity pulled an 8' U-haul utility trailer loaded with around 2000 lbs of stuff got just over 18 mpg on average going from VA to CO last summer. I stuck the cruise at around 80 mph and didn't have an issue.
I have a 2017 XLT EL with the heavy duty tow package and it has a 33.5 gallon fuel tank 6 speed automatic trans. When I towed our 7,700lb+ travel trailer to Wyoming from Chicago. I averaged 7.5 to 8 MPG driving 70-80mph. When I set the cruise control with our travel trailer. It will average 10-11MPG. I am not surprised with my results and I’m not disappointed either. The Ecoboost pulls our 7,700lb travel trailer like a freight train.
Just got back from moving daughter to St. Luis from Houston. Pulling 2 axial large uhaul. 4 people in my 2018 2.7 ecoboost, f150. 14 up with trailer and 20 down without. Don’t think it’s to bad. Trailer was packed full of furniture and books.
Haha. I remember my 96 v8 grand Cherokee. I pulled a small 19 foot camper years ago. Normal 18 mph. Towing was 6.5 mph. I stopped at every gas station on the way from Denver to Iowa. Great video.
I averaged 9 mpg on my 2016 Navigator L towing a 6,300 lb Jayco 24BH. This on a trip from Michigan to Yellowstone with a ton of mountains. I usually average 13 mpg with the same trailer on flat land. The sweet spot on this Ecoboost is 65mph. Your driving style will affect these numbers. I don't use the cruise in the mountains, that will rob you quite a bit.
I guessed about 7 mpg. Because I remember when the expeditions 1st came out that their fuel economy was so bad and it’s obvious that it hasn’t really improved much.
We own 2019 Ford expedition limited max with max tow package 4X4. Pole camper and other various trailers with it often. Our payload capacity is 1626 pounds. When towing the 30 foot camper we average 12 miles to the gallon at 60 mph but 8 miles to the gallon at anything over 70 mph. No trailer we average 19 miles per gallon overall
Have the F-150 Powerstroke diesel with the same 10-speed transmission. While towing my toy hauler, I always lock out 9th and 10th to prevent going into these overdrive gears. Keeps the engine from lugging and I achieve better mpg’s.
For what it's worth I would get 7-8MPG in my 2019 RAM 1500 Laramie (5.7L Hemi with the eTorque) towing a Grey Wolf 26DBH up through the Badlands and near Mt. Rushmore. I know Ford is pushing their smaller turbo engines but I feel they have to work really hard when you need to tow. Nowhere near as economical IMO. Also, I've been pulling trailers for a long time and finally had a pretty significant issue with a tire this weekend on my boat. I could feel something was off and looked to see it flinging bits of tread off. They're not all that old but really does make me reconsider the tires I have on there. If not for the safety factor the fact that I had to put the spare on in 100 degree heat. Not what I was planning.
My wife and I just used her 2020 Expedition Max Limited 4x4 to tow a U-haul car hauler trailer with a 2002 Mustang GT from Florida to Michigan last month, approximately 5700pounds. We averaged almost 12mpg until we got into the hills and mountains of N. Georgia and Tennessee where it dropped just below 10mpg.
Something is wrong, my wife’s explorer sport with 3.5 eco boost pulling a 23’ center console 400 miles got 10.7 mpg I think that was pretty good. Forgot weight is around 4600lbs with full fuel and boat items.
I tow professionally and have for over 20 years. Just something to consider when toweling….. anytime you tow with cruise control on in any vehicle you will always get worse fuel economy. The best way is still to actually drive the vehicle manually. Feel the road, the grade, the wind, etc and adjust accordingly with your foot and the pedal. So many people have to keep up with Jones or in this case the other cars. Get in the right lane, and slow down. It’s ok to drop a little speed going up hill if the truck is telling your that it needs to. There’s a lot more to driving a vehicle than holding the steering wheel and setting the auto adjusting cruise control. Just my experience and two cents. Anyone here remember when truck pulling trailers used to get 3-4mpg? Now days everybody wants to tow 4 to 5 tons and get 17 mpg at the same time but the days of the old B series Cummins in the 90’s have be long since passed. lol.
My 2005 F-250 diesel gets about 19mpg on the highway empty, 11-12 mpg while towing my Grand Design 31mb fithwheel, and 9-10 mpg while towing my 16 foot enclosed cargo trailer. The cargo trailer is flat in the front. I think the amount of wind your fighting on the highway makes the biggest difference.
I have a 2017 F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost max tow package. I also have tge 6.5' bed and a cap. Towing a 18 v nose enclosed trailer, i'm gett8ng 10.1 mpg on mixed roads.
3.73 gear ratio comes with the max tow package. That negatively impacts your mileage. Also, you have a tow drive mode that changes the transmission to shift more efficiently. You didn’t mention either of those and they can impact MPG. At the end of the day though, I’d expect 10-12mpg. I have the same vehicle but 4x4 and that’s what I get when I tow.
I agree mostly-all depends on how much your towing and how far. My 2012 Eco F150, I towed 7-8K and got about 12 towing to TN…no way he’s getting 8 towing that little of weight….my wife’s 08 Expy, we got 10-12 towing our Boreas.
I own the same platinum expedition, ran in to same issue with fuel mileage while towing. need to change setting in tow mode Will make world of difference
I guessed it on the nose. I tow a 6500 lb travel trailer with a 2013 Nissan Armada and I usually get 8 mpg going 70 mph in Texas. I have heard that the Ecoboost is thirsty when towing.
By comparison, I did a 1400 mile trip towing a 3500 lb trailer over a wide variety of Interstates, US highways, country roads, and mountainous terrain in my 2014 Expedition 5.4L LTD with HD tow package and averaged 11.8 mpg. This is actual mileage dividing gallons used by miles, not the onboard fuel calculator. Over the 7+ years I've towed with the vehicle I've averaged 10-12 mpg.
Not surprised. My Ram 3500 Cummins gets nearly the same mileage towing a 27’ V-nosed cargo trailer empty as my 40’ Cedar Creek fifth wheel. It’s the air drag as much as the weight behind my turbo diesel. Same effect on your turbo gasser.
I get 15-16 non towing city/hwy and around 8.5-9.5 pulling my almost 24k 5thwheel with my 2020 F450 . Had a 2016 f150 with 3.5 Ecoboost and I got about the same mileage pulling a small trailer. Loved the truck but it wasn’t that fuel efficient. It has a 36 gallon tank which helped.
2018 Expy XLT 4x2 with HD tow and just did 1,400 miles from DFW TX to Norfolk, VA and avg. 9.4mpg with a 26’ TT at prob 5.5k lb and 1.3k lb on the payload. Fueled up about ~200 miles due the smaller gas tank on the non-Max config so that way inconvenient but given the wind, heat/AC, and slight elevation differences I thought it was ok. Trips to San Antonio w/o a trailer we’d get 21-22mpg roundtrip so I was hoping for 10-11 w/ the trailer. Seems like you’ve got something else impacting your results.
1 have a 2021 f150 FX4 4 wheel drive 3.5 EcoBoost 3.55 gears with the 10 speed and I pull a 8000 pound travel trailer with a golf cart trailer behind it and at 60mph got 9.9 mpg. I only go 60 to 65 with the 2 trailers
I have a 2008 ford explorer limited with 4.6l, 270k, 4x4, 3rd row with a class IV hitch(7k'ish)package. Not towing i have seen 20-21 on hwy if I reset the computer. Otherwise my average city is 14/15 mpg. Towing a 2018 Starcraft Launch 17bh in the back country of NC dropped down to 12.5mpg. Some I would guess your EcoBoost is somewhere between 12 and 14mpg hwy.
So I have the 2018 Expedition Limited and the gas tank is 23 gallons for the regular and 28 gallons for the max. I didn't know that at the time but kind of wish I gotten the Max just for the extra tank size. Towing a travel trailer I get around 9mpg.
Sorry, we have a 2013 F150 3.6 eco boost and we hauled a full 5x8 cargo trailer with about 1,000 lbs from California to Idaho and we averaged 12 miles to the gallon. We normally average around 17 mpg anyway. It does have the supposed 13,000lb towing rate. We only have two wheel drive also.
My dad's vw wagon diesel tdi diesel with my Walker and bags it still gets 45 to 47 to the gallon with the air conditioning on its been a while but I think u still get maybe 37 or 36 with the air conditioning running
We have a 2018 FX4 Expedition, got 11.2 mpg to Alabama in normal transmission mode. On the way back got 13.2 mpg by switching to Eco mode. Our trailer is very similar, a 5 x 10 Royal Cargo and was loaded up heavy. I expected a few more mpg's.
Welcome to ford ecoboost. You get economy or boost. Not both. Thanks for playing!
Many people dont know or think about it, why I'll never buy one.
Correct, every FoMoCo piece of literature I have read regarding MPG with the 3.5EB is exactly that. Designed for fuel economy when not under a tow load and “you get what you get” based on your (towing/trailer) configuration. (10-ply tires, PSI, into the wind vs with the wind, airflow across the tow vehicle then, airflow across the trailer. It could create a parachute effect.
(I had a 2011 2WD, XLT S-Crew, max tow package, w/80k 33”x11.5x18” BF Goodrich 10ply KO2’s, pulled a 5x10 enclosed U-haul trailer from San Antonio to Jacksonville, Florida summer of 2016 got 16mpg. I don’t recall the weight of the trailer and cargo but, we were loaded. 300lbs of people. Two dogs = 80lbs together and a few small bags.)
Outstanding tow experience. Zero issues.
Last August, I traded in for a 2014 Platinum 4x4, S-Crew max tow 3.5EB. 35x12.5x20 BF’s and 3” RC suspension lift.
I haven’t towed anything yet but looking forward to a 30’+ Airstream with proper WD hitch (weigh safe and the HD Roadmaster Active Suspension kit.)
Couldn’t have said it better myself
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8-10 mpg is what I expected. On the HWY it’s not the weight thats killing your MPG, it’s the speed and drag of the box you’re dragging.
I was expecting 9 at those speeds...
thats also true you've got a lot of drag but mainly your stressing a small displacement engine and it has to work a lot harder as a result.
@@benjaminsmithson1236 - Regardless of engine size, pulling an enclosed trailer murders MPG. I can personally verify this even with my 6.2L NA V8 pulling from Louisiana to North Carolina and back with a very similarly sized 6x12’ enclosed V-Neck single axle trailer.
When you are talking about highway MPG with a trailer, it is all about wind resistance. A small tail wind or headwind can make a big difference too. It's a simple fact that enclosed trailers on the highway will kill your mileage. I have a 16 foot V-nose tandem axle trailer. I literally get 7-8 mpg on the highway whether it's completely empty or has 3500 pounds of cargo. Around town is different, but who cares about mpg around town with a trailer? Long trips are what sucks up the gas.
I pulled an empty box trailer with my V8 expedition, and I could feel the increased resistance as speed went up. I am a bit shy to invest in a turbo boost gas engine as I feel they require more maintenance and don't last as long as their larger non turbo counterparts. Fuel economy is impressive as it is about the same as my wife's '16 4WD Explorer.
You might want to include data on the winds you were driving in. But, I think your main culprit is speed. The mpg delta between towing at 72 vs. 62 (my preferred speed) could be as much as 3 to 4 mpg.
I use a 2005 2500 suburban 4x4 ext with a 8.1l v8 i tow a 20ft 200lb car hauler with my 2021 rzr turbo s and i get 10 mpg going to my camper spot. That mpg is ridiculous.
@@MrYaxalot yes, but you have the beast motor...I'm jelly.
I have the 3.5 17 Expedition with a 4100 lb travel trailer and get 10mpg At Steady 60 mpg.. I call the towed unit an air brake, so faster you go you will pay big at the pumps..cheers..
I have a 2010 Expedition 4x4 with the 5.4. Just towed a 5000 car hauler trailer with a tractor in the hills of eastern Kentucky and got around 12.5 - 13 mpg. Speed was running 55-60 most of the time. It is about a 90 mile round trip, no trailer to and loaded coming back, average was 14.8. I reset the trip meter and loaded going back, mostly up, was 13.2. I didn’t need to to add fuel, because mine has a 33 gallon tank, plus total mileage on the trips was only 180 miles. Still sitting between 1/2 and 3/4 tank.
We have 2 3.5 Ecoboosts- a 21 Expedition with the hd towing package, and a 21 F150 Tremor. It doesnt matter if you are pulling 2000 lbs or 7000lbs the fuel economy drops to the 8-9mpg range. Just an ecoboost thing- as soon as you spool up the turbos it’s game over for economy. We have a 26ft Passport SL 221BH travel trailer that is around 6500lbs fully loaded. Have towed it on 2 different trips of around 2000 miles each- once with each vehicle. Economy was nearly identical at 8.8 mpg. We now primarily tow with the Tremor specifically due to it’s 36 gallon tank!
That being said we absolutely love this powertrain, Ive owned many 1/2 ton trucks and the towing experience of the ecoboost is so much better than a hemi etc… And unloaded my wife averages 21 mpg daily driving her expedition which is phenomenal for a vehicle it’s size in our opinion.
8 Mins of talk to find out you get 8 mpg.
With my Expedition and R-Pod, I get around 12-14 mpg towing in the relatively flat Mid-Atlantic Region. I also never go higher than 65 when towing. My 2019 had a lift and larger tires, too. My new Timberline is getting around the same but only has bigger tires and no lift (yet).
I think it was the speed that impacted the mpg that you saw.
i tow 179 with honda pilot 55~65 getting 15~ 16
You do have to consider that the 10 speed transmission keeps the rpm’s low and uses the turbos to get the power. While towing it gets pretty terrible fuel economy partially for that reason.
We have the exact same one as you and in a similar setup we get similar results. However, unloaded on the hwy we regularly see 22-23 mpg. Empty around town we see 18.6-19.
I think you have to pick your poison on this one. The thing that makes it so great as a commuter is also the detriment when towing.
I get that with my 05 dodge durango 5.7 hemi 20- 24 hiway!!!!
Something doesn’t seem right. I average 10-13 with an ‘18 f150 ecoboost. Travel trailer is 30’ and around 6500lbs. That’s towing in Colorado as well.
When driving an ecoboost, if you are trying to get good MPG, you drive with the boost gauge up on the dash. If you see the gauge move, you get bad fuel mileage. Fords have run rich for a very long time, turbo fords run super rich in boost. You’ll also notice that if you baby it for long periods of time, then throw some weight behind it, and beat on it a bit, it will “roll coal”, because it’s blowing all of the carbon out of the exhaust that has built up from the east driving. If you aren’t worried about mpg, they are awesome. They have max torque like right off idle and go to the moon, so they pull heavy weight pretty well. I think the most I’ve had behind one was about 12k, on a flatbed, and got an average of 12mpg
Recently purchased a 2014 F350 crew cab with the 6.7 diesel which will see casual as well as towing use (35' fiver). General driving yields a7-18 mpg, but towing is 9-10. It had a 26 gallon tank also. The first thing did was install a 50 gallon Titan tank that fits perfectly in place of the old tank. Wow! Now I can make it to the edge of my 10 acres!
I tow both a 4500# travel trailer and a 7500# travel trailer with our 2021 Expy and get about 9.5 on the smaller, 8.5 on the larger. It all depends on speed, RPMs and wind for me. I usually keep it at 65MPH and do not let it go into 10th gear. Seems to help. You were driving up from Corpus, right? Sometimes those headwinds have killed my efficiency.
I agree with your comment about speed. I seem to lose 1-2 mph jumping from 65 to 70. 2019 f150 with 5.0 towing 6500 lb TT.
I was going to guess at least 10.5 MPG but wow that’s pretty bad… I wonder if premium fuel would make a difference?
Got my wife this exact vehicle (2019 Max Platinum - Max Tow 9,000lbs) except we have the 4x4 and 35” tires. Yeah. I was getting 8-11mpg in Utah towing a 8,700 travel trailer. I’ve also considered upgrading the sway bars to the hellwig.
Great family vehicle as you said. Tons of power.
How many total passengers do you have in the expedition max when towing your 8.7k trailer?
I’m looking to buy expedition max to accommodate family of 7 and tow 7.5k travel trailer….but I’m getting 50/50 mix response about being over weight limit.
@@pavlo345 we are a crew of 6 and no issues
We had an ecoboost F150. It was VERY strong in the MPG department when unloaded. 4x2 2.7L. Regularly saw 25.
While towing, it was VERY sensitive to wind profile. And not in the stability way.
A low trailer full of gravel/pavers? It could still pull 16mpg. Empty utility trailer like yours? 8. At best. Small camper we had at the time? (Single axle) 8. At best.
I had a couple of Expeditions over the years was always very disappointed in fuel mileage, but liked the vehicle overall. When going on lake or fishing vacations, my wife would tow our 21' boat (4800 Lbs) with Expedition and followed me pulling our 5th wheel travel trailer. My 3500 HD diesel truck pulling a 35' Montana 5th wheel was getting better mileage than the Expedition towing the boat. We constantly had to stop for fuel for the thirsty Expedition. We switched to a GM Tahoe. WOW.... a HUGE difference in fuel mileage and overall and stress reduction when towing. I highly recommend the GM Tahoe or Yukon with 3.0 diesel engine for a daily driver and when towing.
Oh, we also sold our Expedition and went with a 2016 Suburban, depending on the wind i get 9 to 11 mpg. Way better than any Ecoboost, and plenty of power. I just hate the cylinder deactivation.
First, I have to tell you that I have learned so much from you about towing. I really appreciate your content. I currently tow a 6500 lb travel trailer in AZ with a 2019 f150 FX4 with the 5.0 Coyote. It’s not quite as snappy as the 3.5, but very useable. Climbing hills with the trailer I get 8.5 to 9. On the flats with no wind I’ve seen 12.5. Add in a bunch of wind, I’m back down to 8.5. Before that I had both ecoboosts in 2015 and 2016 F150s. I chose to bypass the eco boost due to issues I’ve seen with ecoboosts towing especially in heat. Horrible fuel economy AND overheating. When it overheats it goes into limp mode essentially shutting down the turbos. Ford doesn’t seem to have an answer why. Most recently my friend got rid of his 2018 F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost just for that reason. He picked up an F250 with the 7.3 V8. No overheating and better fuel economy. Turbos create a ton of heat on their own, then add a tow load with poor wind resistance and hot towing environments, you may be asking for trouble. My opinion, for what it’s worth. Thanks again for all you do.
Makes a ton of sense. The V6 twin turbo just flat out has to rev higher to stay in power band.
@@carltuckerson7718 That's literally the opposite of reality. The 5.0 spins faster than the 3.5 EcoBoost to generate an equivalent amount of power. It's just always under boost which is where the heat comes from.
General consensus from owners/tuners is the factory intercooler is undersized. Leading to heat soak and a drop in air density at same cylinder pressures.
Power takes gas. How much weight in the vehicle. They need to put a diesel engine in it.
What were the engine RPM's running at 70 mph with the trailer compared to no trailer?
What fuel do you use premium or regular. And did you use towhaul
Were you going in reverse with trailer assist the whole time?
I share your concerns. I have a 2019 limited expedition non max with the heavy tow package. I tow a 22’ Lund Baron boat which is probably less than 5000 lb between boat and trailer. It tows it well but horrible fuel mileage. I don’t tow super often so the economy isn’t too bad for me but the rig needs a massive fuel tank especially if it’s the max tow package but they don’t offer.
I tow a 26’ trailer that is about 7k with my 21 platinum and I get 9-11 over hills and such. One time going into a head wind I got 8. Not sure why yours is so low. Not my experience with my coachman freedom express. I love the towing experience with such luxury.
What fuel are you running?
Just got back from a 6,800 mile trip towing a 4k trailer w/ a 2020 expedition limited 4x4. If I’m to trust the onboard computer, we got a little under 10mpg. I found the engine and tranny to be happiest in 9th gear at 70mph which was just under 2k rpm. Tow/haul mode doesn’t lock out any gears, but I learned how to use the +\- buttons in standard drive mode (not manual mode) to lock out gears starting from the top down. This was very helpful on the interstates to lock out 10th, but also great in the mountains where I could lock out 8th through 10th which prevented some of the “hunting” the 10 speed otherwise likes to do.
Headwinds? Doesn't tow haul mode keep the transmission to max 8th gear?
But what were your headwinds I drive that route all the time it’s notoriously windy
What grade of fuel did you use? Also 60 to 65 should have been your speed and using super would have increased range to 15 mpg
In your opinion, would a gmc yukon xl with the 6.2 get any better while towing?
Really rethinking my decision to get a ford expedition now.
Thanks
What trailer would get better fuel economy a bumper pull at 8900 pounds or a fifth wheel at 8900 pounds?
Curious.....what were the wind conditions like? Any headwinds?
This is a lot of rambling for little information. This video should be no more than 3 minutes long.
I towed my 2020 passport 2600 bh with my 2015 Audi Q7 V6 Super Charge from San Diego To Houston Tx and I was getting 10 to 12 mpg . And I was impressed.
I have an 08 Expedition with a tuned 5.4L and a 15 Expedition Max Platinum with the 3.5L Ecoboost. The 08 is running 3:31 if I remember correctly (maybe 3:55), 15 is running 3:73. The '15 is also 600LBS heavier. While towing my 7,200LBS trailer I get slightly better fuel milage with my '15. I sit around 10mpg on the flats with the '15 and 9mpg with the 08.
Theoretically 10 speed should always be in the right gear. However the way its programmed is to keep the rpm as low as possible which puts you in boost more often. Keep it out of 9th and 10th gear and you'll get better mpg. Get something to monitor boost/vacuum (the factory half dial doesn't show what's actually going on). My ranger at 70 mpg in the flatlands of Florida stays at a constant 3.5 psi boost in 10th, .8psi in 9th and just barely in vacuum in 8th. 10th gear it averages 19mpg and 8th gear it averages 23mpg
This is very interesting. Probably deserves a video to showcase the differences!
Hello what is the battery box you have mounted to the tounge
I had same vehicle/trailer setup, i put a drop hitch on so the trailer would pull level and it helped mpg noticeably. Notice your hitch is high and trailer is tilted up, that catches the wind drag somewhat fierce over and under the unlevel trailer and mpg is worse like that. Try out a drop hitch to lower that trailer front and notice much better mpg.
Trying to keep my expedition since I just dropped $ maintaining necessary parts went out at 100,000, hope to get another 50,000 miles, the platinum are expensive not to try to get all the miles you can
do you have any idea how much wind that trailer moves? I had an ultra light toy hauler camper maybe weighed 4k loaded with my track gear and motorcycle in my factory lifted on 33's 2017 F150 2.7 eco i averaged 7.5-8.3 mpg.... 10 speed trans etc etc
I highly doubt the mpgs would drop much more with a 26ft rv camper 5800ish lb.. 7-8.5 id bet a weeks check on that.
My last rv setup was a 2017 Ram 3500 dually fully loaded. I pulled a 40ft toy hauler. average MPG towing at 68mph was 9.3 best i got was 11 with a decent tail wind. that trailer weighed about 14.725 when it was loaded with all my stuff (bikes spare parts gear etc) fast forward to the Slide in camper we had.. 4500s in the bed when ready to camp. average mpgs... 10.75 best i got was 12, once i pulled a 6x10 with my track setup in it and i still got 10.75 ish... the point is the wind + speed will destroy your MPGs
also you could use a drop hitch to level your trailer the nose is sticking up... probably not helping anything
I have to wonder if there isn’t some sort of issue with the Expedition. I have a 2018 F150 with the 3.5 max towing and when I tow my trailer with my side by side loaded in it, which equals around 2300lbs, I get in the teens in mpg. When I recently towed my toy hauler, which weighed around 8000lbs, I got around 8-9 mpg and that was going up and down hills. Maybe speed had a lot to do with it. When towing the trailer I usually drive around 65 and when towing the toy hauler around 60-63. I have noticed that my truck’s mpg is sensitive to speed when it comes to mpg even when I’m not towing anything.
I wonder how the Navigator compares with the 450 horse version of the motor.
Hello what is the battery box model you have on the younger?
Was that with 91 fuel? Need the Excursion back,at least it could tow.
I watched the video, and I've read the comments. What I didn't read or hear from anybody was the quality of fuel used ? Did you use the cheapest, mid-grade, or premium gas, or even club gas? I added club gas because Sam's club and Costco's sell gas, but when I used Sam's gas, my mileage dropped way down even when I was empty. To the point I used a quarter of a tank to drive one way to another town 40 miles away. I now use premium in my suv and it seems to be doing better.
I totally understand your disappointment, but I have a VERY similar limited 2020 expedition with a 6000lb travel tralier that is 29 foot. 23gal tank on the non XL/MAX. I STILL get the same 7-9MPG as you did. It hurts but im not paying diesel prices and it fits in the garage with the use of all 7 seats as adults. I live just north of you and understand the TX heat / issues. Wish we could get more range / bigger tank.
Interesting. I bet you get some ideas as to why and can get it fixed.
I'm gonna guess somewhere between 10 to 12 mpg while towing. I have seen 6 mpg in my explorer while towing a 4x7 trailer with a tailgate empty.
If I am towing my 6X8 utility trailer long distances that weights about 2500 pounds including the cargo I usually get about 12-13 MPG on the highway at 70-75 MPH in my 2010 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 3.7L V6. When towing my 16 foot enclosed trailer that has a total weight of about 7000 pounds with my work truck which is a 2015 F-250 with the 6.2L V8 I get about 6-7 MPG, but most of the driving is around town and there is also a lot of idle time since I am working out of my truck for 10-12 hours per day.
I wonder if you would get the same mpg when towing a travel trailer?
My 2020 expedition gets 9-12mpg towing a 30ft 7,200lb grand design trailer. Increase tire pressure a little and make sure weight is balanced nicely. The hitch limit of 930lbs and payload are big limiters. Only issue is downhill braking on steep mountain passes, expedition relies on transmission and trailer brakes... transmission temp heats up faster than you think even with auxiliary fan.
Think we are forgetting the point here. How many times are you towing with it? I have an f150 with the 2.7 and yes it does use more fuel when towing heavy trailer but... the other 350 days a year it kicks all other trucks ass at daily mpg. If you trailer regularly maybe go to a v8.
Did you happen to notice how much boost it was running?
Hi JD, would it be possible that the breaks on the trailer were on or dragging?
i'd doubt that trailer has breaks
So, I have the 2020 Expedition Limited, so it is not the same package when I'm not towing, I get 24-26 MPG. I just took a trip about 350 miles away on it, and went all the way there and back on the same tank. when I'm towing my 8000 lbs camper, I get about 12 mpg. I will say when I'm driving, I drive a lot slower than most, and when on the interstate I'll pull in behind an 18-wheeler and set my cruise so it just follows the truck to maximize the MPG getting a little draft off the truck. when I'm towing, I'm running about 55-60 MPH. I also use Premium Gas to help with the MPG.
What fuel were you using? There has been some discussion lately about the ethanol content in lower grade gasoline versus premium. If the vehicle doesn’t have a flex fuel sensor, and I don’t know if this one does or not, it can’t adjust properly if the ethanol content is too high. And I know there was some discussion about increasing the ethanol content to help lower the cost of gas, but I think this only applied to 87 octane, as premium usually doesn’t have any ethanol.
We have a 2018 expedition. A must for the third row seating for teenagers. Towing a 25’ camper fuel economy is about the same. Also the rear needs load leveling air suspension. Very difficult to get level even with WDH. I noticed our last camping trip fuel economy was a little better if I kept in 8th gear. Less shifting. Going to try that a little more.
This is why I bought a GMC Canyon with the 2.8L Diesel engine. Getting on average about 26mpg around town and 30 or so on the highway (Texas roads). Towing a UHaul 6x12 dual axle trailer going from Austin to Fort Wort (loaded 4-5k total weight) I was getting 19-20MPG. Blew my mind that I was getting that high while towing. I just love this little 4 banger Diesel perfect for my needs. Don't ever tow anything supper heavy so didn't need a bigger truck. I'm looking to get a boat that will be in that 4-5k weight range and I'm sure it will handle that just as easily.
My guess before you said anything was >10MPG so not surprised when you said just under 8. That is a gas engine for you and to top it off a Eco boost. Towing keeps that turbo spun up which kills MPG.
I think it's worse because of the tuning of Platinum 440hp?
Would be interesting to see how you do with less hp tuning.
My expedition doesn't get that bad of mpg with small trailer
I had a 2016 F150 with the 2.7 Ecoboost that got 11.5 mpg with a very similar sized and weighted trailer. That seems to be the thing with the Ecoboost engines. You either get boost or eco not both at the same time.
You have to get the rev's up a bit. Lock out 8, 9 and 10th gear. When the boost gauge comes up, it's time to gear down a little. It will result in better mileage, but only expect about 10 or 11 at those interstate speeds. Reduced speed is your friend. Those turbo's effectively turn that into a 7 liter motor, you have to get the boost down to hope for any mileage while loaded.
I was going to say the same. Lock out the top gear or 2. Lots of complaints here without trying different ways to make it work. The motor is more than capable. Learn how to use it.
Consider the Aero Drag which far exceeds trailer weight concerns , and anytime that 3.5 goes into boost - fuel mileage goes into the toilet. To help lower combustion chamber temps I'd bet the ranch ; the fuel curve fattens up the mixture so you don't burn a piston. Like everyone says it's either eco or boost not both.
My son’s 2005 Volvo XC90 broke down while caravaning with my wife’s 2WD 2010 Toyota Sequioa with the 5.7 L and 244,000 miles. The Sequoia then loaded that 6,000 Volvo and a Uhaul car hauler and 4 people plus all of his worldly possessions (yes, we were over the weight limit on the Sequoia) and it returned 14 mpg from Riverside to Chandler AZ.
I get that same mpg pulling 9.5k trailer with my 2017 F250 6.2l lol. I would of never guessed that kind of mpg on a trailer that size behind that expedition.
i figured 9mpg. Those ecoboost burn more when you touch the gas pedal. That turbo will drink. I am wondering if you you had the newer gm suv with the 3.0 diesel what kind of mileage would you get.
I’m thinking you need to do more towing with it, just to determine if it’s really the vehicle. I can’t say I ever towed anything faster than 70 mph. Did you go up SH130 at all? That’s what I do to avoid Austin.
I was getting about 11-12 mpg towing my travel trailer up from SATX to Wyoming. I crossed Wyoming & got 7 mpg. The word “fear” comes to mind when crossing central Wyoming, absolutely nothing along the way.
The vehicle resumed its regular mileage after I fueled up again. It didn’t do it on the return leg either. I think I just got some low quality fuel TBH.
Whats the max towing without the max towing option? I wonder if it has too much rear gear.
Without the HD package it’s 6,000 I believe, with it’s the 9,300 and 3.73 gear.
We have a 2015 Expedition 4 wheel drive with 28 gallon tank and Max Tow Package. The Max Tow Package has a gear ratio of 3.70 vs 3.11 of the regular Expedition. We tow an Airstream, weighing 7,600# at 62 mph. Depending on winds, we get 10 to 11.5 mpg. We have towed over 50,000 miles and manually figured every tankful of fuel. When we get to 0 miles to go, we have 4 gallons left in the tank. We love our Ecoboost. I believe that your love of speed is the problem.
My 2017 ford explorer with the smaller 2.3L ecoboost engine and 3k lb towing capacity pulled an 8' U-haul utility trailer loaded with around 2000 lbs of stuff got just over 18 mpg on average going from VA to CO last summer. I stuck the cruise at around 80 mph and didn't have an issue.
I have a 2017 XLT EL with the heavy duty tow package and it has a 33.5 gallon fuel tank 6 speed automatic trans. When I towed our 7,700lb+ travel trailer to Wyoming from Chicago. I averaged 7.5 to 8 MPG driving 70-80mph. When I set the cruise control with our travel trailer. It will average 10-11MPG. I am not surprised with my results and I’m not disappointed either. The Ecoboost pulls our 7,700lb travel trailer like a freight train.
Just got back from moving daughter to St. Luis from Houston. Pulling 2 axial large uhaul. 4 people in my 2018 2.7 ecoboost, f150. 14 up with trailer and 20 down without. Don’t think it’s to bad. Trailer was packed full of furniture and books.
Haha. I remember my 96 v8 grand Cherokee. I pulled a small 19 foot camper years ago. Normal 18 mph. Towing was 6.5 mph. I stopped at every gas station on the way from Denver to Iowa. Great video.
We just put our 7500 lb 33 ft travel trailer behind our 2021 expedition max limited. we got 7 mpg and sway above 55. Only if our F250 never got stolen
That doesn’t sound right. Was it in tow haul mode using more fuel ?
He explained this in the video
I averaged 9 mpg on my 2016 Navigator L towing a 6,300 lb Jayco 24BH. This on a trip from Michigan to Yellowstone with a ton of mountains. I usually average 13 mpg with the same trailer on flat land. The sweet spot on this Ecoboost is 65mph. Your driving style will affect these numbers. I don't use the cruise in the mountains, that will rob you quite a bit.
I guessed about 7 mpg. Because I remember when the expeditions 1st came out that their fuel economy was so bad and it’s obvious that it hasn’t really improved much.
We own 2019 Ford expedition limited max with max tow package 4X4. Pole camper and other various trailers with it often. Our payload capacity is 1626 pounds. When towing the 30 foot camper we average 12 miles to the gallon at 60 mph but 8 miles to the gallon at anything over 70 mph. No trailer we average 19 miles per gallon overall
Have the F-150 Powerstroke diesel with the same 10-speed transmission. While towing my toy hauler, I always lock out 9th and 10th to prevent going into these overdrive gears. Keeps the engine from lugging and I achieve better mpg’s.
For what it's worth I would get 7-8MPG in my 2019 RAM 1500 Laramie (5.7L Hemi with the eTorque) towing a Grey Wolf 26DBH up through the Badlands and near Mt. Rushmore. I know Ford is pushing their smaller turbo engines but I feel they have to work really hard when you need to tow. Nowhere near as economical IMO.
Also, I've been pulling trailers for a long time and finally had a pretty significant issue with a tire this weekend on my boat. I could feel something was off and looked to see it flinging bits of tread off. They're not all that old but really does make me reconsider the tires I have on there. If not for the safety factor the fact that I had to put the spare on in 100 degree heat. Not what I was planning.
I have the exact same 2019 Expedition Platinum. I get about 13-15 mpg towing a 19 foot Airstream weighing about 4,500-5,000 lbs.
My wife and I just used her 2020 Expedition Max Limited 4x4 to tow a U-haul car hauler trailer with a 2002 Mustang GT from Florida to Michigan last month, approximately 5700pounds. We averaged almost 12mpg until we got into the hills and mountains of N. Georgia and Tennessee where it dropped just below 10mpg.
Something is wrong, my wife’s explorer sport with 3.5 eco boost pulling a 23’ center console 400 miles got 10.7 mpg I think that was pretty good.
Forgot weight is around 4600lbs with full fuel and boat items.
I tow professionally and have for over 20 years. Just something to consider when toweling….. anytime you tow with cruise control on in any vehicle you will always get worse fuel economy. The best way is still to actually drive the vehicle manually. Feel the road, the grade, the wind, etc and adjust accordingly with your foot and the pedal. So many people have to keep up with Jones or in this case the other cars. Get in the right lane, and slow down. It’s ok to drop a little speed going up hill if the truck is telling your that it needs to. There’s a lot more to driving a vehicle than holding the steering wheel and setting the auto adjusting cruise control. Just my experience and two cents. Anyone here remember when truck pulling trailers used to get 3-4mpg? Now days everybody wants to tow 4 to 5 tons and get 17 mpg at the same time but the days of the old B series Cummins in the 90’s have be long since passed. lol.
My 2005 F-250 diesel gets about 19mpg on the highway empty, 11-12 mpg while towing my Grand Design 31mb fithwheel, and 9-10 mpg while towing my 16 foot enclosed cargo trailer. The cargo trailer is flat in the front. I think the amount of wind your fighting on the highway makes the biggest difference.
2004 Expedition 4.6, towing or empty, i set my cruise at 2000 rpm = 65 mph towing, 70 mph empty, I get 18 mpg.
I have a 2017 F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost max tow package. I also have tge 6.5' bed and a cap. Towing a 18 v nose enclosed trailer, i'm gett8ng 10.1 mpg on mixed roads.
3.73 gear ratio comes with the max tow package. That negatively impacts your mileage. Also, you have a tow drive mode that changes the transmission to shift more efficiently. You didn’t mention either of those and they can impact MPG. At the end of the day though, I’d expect 10-12mpg. I have the same vehicle but 4x4 and that’s what I get when I tow.
I agree mostly-all depends on how much your towing and how far. My 2012 Eco F150, I towed 7-8K and got about 12 towing to TN…no way he’s getting 8 towing that little of weight….my wife’s 08 Expy, we got 10-12 towing our Boreas.
I own the same platinum expedition, ran in to same issue with fuel mileage while towing.
need to change setting in tow mode
Will make world of difference
I guessed it on the nose. I tow a 6500 lb travel trailer with a 2013 Nissan Armada and I usually get 8 mpg going 70 mph in Texas. I have heard that the Ecoboost is thirsty when towing.
By comparison, I did a 1400 mile trip towing a 3500 lb trailer over a wide variety of Interstates, US highways, country roads, and mountainous terrain in my 2014 Expedition 5.4L LTD with HD tow package and averaged 11.8 mpg. This is actual mileage dividing gallons used by miles, not the onboard fuel calculator. Over the 7+ years I've towed with the vehicle I've averaged 10-12 mpg.
Not surprised. My Ram 3500 Cummins gets nearly the same mileage towing a 27’ V-nosed cargo trailer empty as my 40’ Cedar Creek fifth wheel. It’s the air drag as much as the weight behind my turbo diesel. Same effect on your turbo gasser.
I tow with a 2018 Sequoia Platinum 4WD, and a similar (but slightly larger, heavier) cargo trailer. 11.2 MPG. Your experience is quite surprising.
I get 15-16 non towing city/hwy and around 8.5-9.5 pulling my almost 24k 5thwheel with my 2020 F450 . Had a 2016 f150 with 3.5 Ecoboost and I got about the same mileage pulling a small trailer. Loved the truck but it wasn’t that fuel efficient. It has a 36 gallon tank which helped.
2018 Expy XLT 4x2 with HD tow and just did 1,400 miles from DFW TX to Norfolk, VA and avg. 9.4mpg with a 26’ TT at prob 5.5k lb and 1.3k lb on the payload. Fueled up about ~200 miles due the smaller gas tank on the non-Max config so that way inconvenient but given the wind, heat/AC, and slight elevation differences I thought it was ok. Trips to San Antonio w/o a trailer we’d get 21-22mpg roundtrip so I was hoping for 10-11 w/ the trailer. Seems like you’ve got something else impacting your results.
1 have a 2021 f150 FX4 4 wheel drive 3.5 EcoBoost 3.55 gears with the 10 speed and I pull a 8000 pound travel trailer with a golf cart trailer behind it and at 60mph got 9.9 mpg. I only go 60 to 65 with the 2 trailers
I have a 2008 ford explorer limited with 4.6l, 270k, 4x4, 3rd row with a class IV hitch(7k'ish)package. Not towing i have seen 20-21 on hwy if I reset the computer. Otherwise my average city is 14/15 mpg. Towing a 2018 Starcraft Launch 17bh in the back country of NC dropped down to 12.5mpg. Some I would guess your EcoBoost is somewhere between 12 and 14mpg hwy.
So I have the 2018 Expedition Limited and the gas tank is 23 gallons for the regular and 28 gallons for the max. I didn't know that at the time but kind of wish I gotten the Max just for the extra tank size. Towing a travel trailer I get around 9mpg.
Sorry, we have a 2013 F150 3.6 eco boost and we hauled a full 5x8 cargo trailer with about 1,000 lbs from California to Idaho and we averaged 12 miles to the gallon. We normally average around 17 mpg anyway. It does have the supposed 13,000lb towing rate. We only have two wheel drive also.
My dad's vw wagon diesel tdi diesel with my Walker and bags it still gets 45 to 47 to the gallon with the air conditioning on its been a while but I think u still get maybe 37 or 36 with the air conditioning running
My 99 suburban gets low 12s pulling cars on a utility trailer and high 14s with that trailer empty and 16 with no trailer so that should be 18 or 19
We have a 2018 FX4 Expedition, got 11.2 mpg to Alabama in normal transmission mode. On the way back got 13.2 mpg by switching to Eco mode. Our trailer is very similar, a 5 x 10 Royal Cargo and was loaded up heavy. I expected a few more mpg's.
I got 14 mpg in my cummins 2500 Ram towing a tandem axle 14 foot version of that cargo trailer with 5,500 gross. Running 70 mph from Texas to So Cal.