Soft Top Showdown #1: Mazda MX-5 vs BMW Z4
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Hey Guys It's Joel!
Welcome to the first episode of Soft Top Showdown!
Today we have got the NC/Mach 3 Mazda MX-5 up against my E85 BMW Z4!
Comment below which car you would have and why!
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Money talks, bullshit walks. I'd pay for the Mx-5 and it appears everyone else does the same.
I've read all the comments, it's amazing how many people have owned both cars but prefer the MX-5
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That MX5 DOES have electrically powered side mirrors. At 4:37 you can see the controls on the door behind the cupholder. I own the exact same MX5 (2006) and have electric mirrors.
Same bro. Mine also has cruise on the right side of the wheel
And heated side mirrors. I didn’t know I had them, but the control for the heated rear window also activates the heaters in the side mirrors!
@@matthieucalu I never knew that! :O that's very nice
Nicholas Engelbrecht yeah, it was a nice surprise. When I enter my garage, I have to open the window to push on the button for the light (it’s a big garage for 3 apartment buildings) and it was winter and I had been using the window heater and I felt heat emanating from the side mirror when I passed by it with my hand to push the button. I was startled and felt my mirror and it was hot!
Now I use it all the time to get rid of rain of the mirror and it works perfectly for that.
A few more challenges are needed / fun factor/ purchase price /maintenance cost /fuel economy 😉
I love my mk3 MX5. Cobalt exhaust adds a bit more drama under load. Absolutely gutless low down the revs, great when kept above 4-5k revs
Hope you all enjoy the first of this series! Please do go ahead and suggest challenges, or other things you’d like to see in future episodes!
What about reliability? I have buddies with BMW's. They fall apart. My MX-5 only needed brakes at 57K miles...
Mx5 wins
Great showdown. Great chemistry between you two. I really enjoyed this. New sub.
Both cars sound great through my vw jetta speakers. Sounded like it was coming from my car lol.
Haha brilliant! Thank you for watching and subscribing!
Mate glad I stumbled across this channel you’re putting out some good content you’re very talented
Appreciated that, glad you found the channel
Well done! Both spectacular rides. Next, the newest MX-5 begs comparison; the ND 2019 or 2020. I'd be happy owning the newer MX-5 in a soft top for errands, and the "Zed" for formal occasions.
Go on Joel, fantastic content!!
I know this video is a few years back now but I’ve owned a Z4M roadster for a couple of years now and it’s great fun. So much power! But it is a very stiff ride and probably more power than I need unless I’m in the track. My wife also does not like it much. It is also expensive to maintain I have found. So I picked up an MX-5 RF GT recently and it’s quite nice. I’ll sell the Z4M this spring and will be very happy for having owned it.
Great video Joel! Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
You'll lose on repair costs.
Cost to buy, run, repair and depreciation. Mx5 wipes the BMW arse.
Also, one cannot win a race when the car is always in the repair shop, lol!
@@crazeyjoe z4’s are some of the most reliable German cars you can buy
It is still less reliable that the Mazda. Also, the cost of repairs are much higher compared to the Mazda. With that being said, if one decides to purchase a Z4, I couldn't care less, it's not my money. To each their own.
@@crazeyjoe Sure, but it’s a more capable more luxurious better all around car so it’s expected. Unless you’re looking for an auto cross toy or you’re on a really tight budget I’d go Z all day
Great video Joel. Looking forward to the next episode 😝
Thanks dude! Me too!
I appreciate the thoughtful photography. Nice job Joel.
Thank you for watching!
Great video . need to get that nc lowered. Feels a totally different car.
Interesting, the sport model is the base model in the US. If this was a 2006, it's also missing engine and suspension upgrades that occurred in later years. The roll angle was change by 2009. Manual transmission models got a forged crank and pistons, raising the red line. The rev limit was raised by 700 rpm. The correct horsepower figure was 168.The amenities improved substantially by 2015, when it was retired. Electric mirrors were standard, as was a rear window defroster. Blue tooth capability was added. And yes, you can "pop the boot with the key."
A more equal comparison would be the Z4 vs the NC Miata GT, which has cruise control, climate control, remote trunk release. I'll give the nod to the Z4 on looks and power, but I'd still take the Miata. The Z4 will be MUCH more expensive to buy and own. Should have done more driving tests. The magic of the Miata is how much fun it is, even at moderate speeds.
I love my Z4, but have owned several Mazdas. They're near indestructible and much more reliable.
Great start to the series!!
Thanks dude!
Thank you for the video exactly what I wanted to see 🙏
Haha ....that was wicked with the guest shampoo 🧴😂
Looks like a promising series :) As I was considering 2 other possible cars over my current Z4, I would love to see a showdown of these 2 in this series: Boxster S 986 and S2000
Working to get these two cars on the channel 👍🏻
This is the exact episode I needed been debating between these 2 for months! Thank you
Not hard to add multi-function steering wheel or cruise control to a Z4 if it's missing them, did mine. Hardest bit was getting the parts cheaply.
Mx5 does have electric adjustable mirrors and they are heated with the same button for the rear screen, my 2008 sport also has ac and auto climate control
Bro...You should be getting at least 20K subscriptions by now. Stellar of a job you are doing. This soft top challenge idea is brilliant! I am hoping for S2K to be compared to E85 Z4. Hopefully it is in one of your episodes. The Landshark vs The Legend.
Honestly mate appreciate it so much. Definitely planning on having an S2K on this series.
He literally has 70k plus subs bro...
Getting subs on youtube has nothing to do with quality, but being a secret society member and then the rank within them. RUclips sabotages channels that are not.
I will take the miata over the z4 everyday of the week.
Each to their own, thank you for watching!
i will take my smooth Z4 3.0 six cilinder over the miata everyday of the week.
@@johanslecht2636 ok
I did, 2011 pbrt 6spd gt and i fkkin live it but it loves me more and hella shows it nc2
Girl car?
With some mods you can take the Miata to the track and do quite well. The stock model does have a bit of roll but it's intentional to keep the average driver from over driving it. I'll take the Miata over the Z4. I've had three Miatas. A 1996, 1999, and a 2003.
“It’s got no electric mirrors” as he sits there with the electric controls literally right next to his wrist lol
Lol. Ladies watch your videos too. Not just gentlemen. I enjoyed the video. I love you Joel. You have a lot of knowledge on the z4. September 21st 2019 I bought a 2008 z4 and I love it. It handles very well. Mine is automatic though. It is a beautiful space gray color. I enjoy it very much
How is it running after 4yrs? Im thinking of getting one today!
great fun video, as cool as the Z4's extra's are, i'd probs pick the mx5 for simplicity and reliability!
not sure these are comparable. price ? power obs? any1 feel the same
Great comparison gents, I've been considering buying one of these recently so really helpful to see them honestly side by side.
Wish you'd chosen a quieter spot to film though.
Looking forward to the next shootout though... Think I'll be buying a a Z4 soon 😏
Wicked; thanks for watching
@@itsjoel Been watching a few more vids recently comparing the two. I drive a 320d remapped at the mo which is a good combo of fun and practicality but as someone who spent 7 years on sports bikes only (no car), I think a Z4 would suit me fine. Although, will be aiming at the 6 cylinder variant otherwise... whats the point? Might as well get an MX-5 and a perm. :D
Really glad you're enjoying yours. Hope you keep it for many years to come.
Enjoying the channel gents, best wishes to you.
Z4 E89 2.3i or mx5 NC3? thanks
Grear video!
I prefer the z4 in pretty much all aspects except it does not have the lsd. You cant really go sideways without an lsd
The deal breaker of this comparison is you will not survive the maintenance costs of a bmw out of warranty. And I have experience with that.
It’s hit and miss I guess. I’ve done over 50,000 miles in just over 2 years in my Z4, and only one thing has ever gone wrong.
Main difference the mx5 will be on the road alot more than the z4 .
Haha how do you mean? I’ve done over 40,000 miles in the 2 years I’ve had my Z4.
@@itsjoel I owned both .. and the BMW is always in the shop getting fix instead.. and the mx5 just keeps going ...drop oil change air filter and she.drives like new
Not the experience I’ve had with mine. In 2 years and over 40,000 miles, only one part had ever failed!
@@itsjoel yea but it's been in the garage allot
@@luckdingwong2196 thanks for that, my wife is trying to push for the Z4 but I want the MX-5, MX-5 wins
Add owners cost and total cost over car lifetime as one of the rounds for future comparisons maybe? Could make things even more interesting.
The two guys perfectly represent the whole Miata vs Bimmer owner clichés
😂😂😂
can you make a ND vs Z4 video but using that z4
Brilliant review great entertaining well spoken lads. Give Matt Wilson arun for his money.
Appreciate that buddy. Thanks for watching!
Hey I have a 2002 BMW z3 2.2i sport, it would be pretty cool if you'd consider using my car in the series!!
Definitely mate, send me an email! hello@itsjoel.co.uk
Your wing mirrors should be auto (always on) heated aswell.
Nice watch. What factory is that? Noob or ARF?
I was wondering where do you get your Z4 cleaned. Is there a specific method?
There’s a couple of hand car washes near me that do it, nothing special!
Mazda MX-5 no electric mirrors?? Are you sure, I'm think thats not correct 🥴
Indeed that's not correct.
What, no points for the spider on the rear bumper? Kidding aside, both great cars, having owned both. I prefer the "Zed" as you Brits call em. Thanks for the entertaining comparo!
Haha thank you for watching
Great video Joel and series can’t wait what other cars will be a part of this series. Seriously tempted to get a z4 as a weekend car/ probably replace my daily as the value of them is ridiculous!
Thanks for watching Alex - do it!
They're so cheap for a reason
At the storage at the center, the z4 has the cd changer. Without it (because it is not on standard equipment) you can fit 3-4 head and solders. Additionaly the Z4 has storage cabinet under both seats. Behind each head, there is a tiny hanger where you can hang a jacket or your hat.
Yer cool 😎 well done you two
Always being an Mazda fan extremely reliable but had 2 3.0 Z4 reliability could not complain now got the M coupe Z4 2007 and hell the best I've ever bought so yes I'd rather take the z4
If you buy them new and get rid of them when you get to like 60k. bmw are great cars. It’s when you gotta repair them. And everything starts to fail one thing after another.
Which one is bigger on the inside as far as seating in it ?? Thank you!
Looks like the Z4 had more space on the inside
Recently tried out a Z4 and an NC mx5, as well as a 350Z - went in expecting to hate the miatas lack of power after driving turbo for the longest time - but it's the mazda that came home with me! the car feels like an extension of my body, really confidence inspiring and no doubt will make me a better driver
It was designed that way with JINBA ITTAI 😄👍
7:15 "No where to put your Mr's clothes" Uh I don't know what kind of Girlfriend you have, but mine never asks me if she can store her clothes in my car lol
Really enjoyed this one Joel i had the exact same mx5 but in grey and loved it especially how easy the manual roof was to use, however I do much prefer my current 3.0L z4 for all the reasons in the video but both great cars 👍🏼
MIATA IS MUCH RELIABLE THAN THE Z4.
He has no controls on the right side of the wheel? That's odd. I've seen a bunch of NCs and all have had controls on the right.
You can have cruise control and they are on the right. I haven’t cruise control, so I also only have controls on the left. But I do have AC. And he also has electrical side mirrors AND heated side mirrors like I do, he only doesn’t know where the buttons are ;)
I hate to admit it because I drive an MX5, but those BMW Z4 are so so nice.
Hi Joe
In an old video you ask
What car should you buy next ?
Why not a M3 E46 cabrio 2004 ?
Or maybe a Boxster S 2005 ?
I had a 2002 model. Magic handling. Moves as a snake.
Definitely want to drive both to see what they’re like!
A really good video. I have just bought a NC MX5. But l used to own a Na. Look, there are loads of + and -. But at the end of the day. They all make you happy and thats what life is about. And so many people don't get that in cars. A to B. I jump in mine, and l already am buzzing!
4:40 isn’t that the automatic mirror adjuster?
Nonetheless great video Joel, I’m gonna like this series
Seems entertaining and humorous
Thanks mate!
Its Fred Greg one more time
In the train I ve been thinking
About showdowns ideas...
For the era 2004 2005
Audi TT 3.2 roadster 2004
Boxster S 3.2 2003
MB SLK 350 2005 2nd gen
Nissan 350 Z roadster 2005
Mini Cooper S cab 2005
We all support you because
We re mad about roadsters and
You are the new Jeremy Clarkson
The Z4 has much better interior room making it much more comfortable to drive. For that reason alone it wins.
Thanks for watching
who TH buys a 'sports' car for comfort - augment dismissed
@@CosmicSeeker69 People with brains do. Case closed.
Was a great video, looking forward to the next episode!
Excellent, glad you enjoyed it!
Can't think why you haven't done a feature on the z4 coupe!
Hey Joe
It s Fred Greg again
I m in Lemans 24 hours
It s 8: 38 and I can see new series 8 GT racing against 911, Aston, corvettes and Ferraris.
Fast as a F1 with a big sound.
About shodown videos ...
TT 3.2, Boxster 3.2, 350 Z ?
Fred Greg again...
You re the new Jeremy Clarkson.
Very pro, very interesting.
You should write to Top Gear
Maybe they will take you in their
Team. If they don t you should create your own tv series as
Wheelers dealers for example.
You can also create a Bmw roadsters club and organise
Events or roadtrips to Munich.
Great concept for a car enthusiast video. I’ve owned five Miatas, so I’m completely jaded. Obviously, I prefer the looks & features of the MX5 NC. Too many curves on the Z4 for my taste.
Whaaa! Storage behind the seats on the Z4, didn't know that was a thing. Have a 2008 3.0si auto and no storage for me :(
you have the Audio upgrade then.
which MX5 ?!
Sooooo much fun it was for me.
I'm about to come into a E85 Z4 and am a long term MX5 fan including a former NB and NC and current NA driver. its seriously hard to argue against the NC. It seems to be hated by everyone including miata fans, which just makes it cheaper, and its made from the ford parts bin which means its basically free to run. The Z4 would certainly win in a race, but if you're not trying to win a race the NC is a gem to own and drive.
Both those convertible sports cars are dissimilar to me and they both are a good pair of rivals. A Japanese convertible my dad dreamed about and a German convertible that makes compare to the Miata.
Some might say it's difficult to compare apples to tangerines.
Great video!
I have a mk1 mx5 NA with a a bolted on hard top and an E86 Z4 coupe (I’m just a coupe kinda guy I guess). Both mine have around 70k on them.
My z4 definitely rattles and squeaks more than my mx5, probably because everything that can rattle on the 5 has rusted off!
Enjoyed the comparison, all good fun and an interesting way to compare both cars. Looking forward to the next video :-)
Thank you Richard
Nice one, I had a MK3 1.8 then a 2l and my Z4 blows them away in pretty much all areas. Looking forward to the next round
I am currently on the fence for buying a Z4 E85 and selling my Niseko 1.8 NC. This comment kinda convinced me, lol.
Definitely drive a Z4 and see what you think. To me the Z4 feels a lot more well put together
@@moart87 you won't regret a z, mine is a 06 3.0 Si and I think it gives decent performance out with the M. Just make sure you get the back box delete whatever one you go for.
Joel, you should stop getting in to he trunk of the Z4. On mine, the lock went bad without any warning and it was close to impossible to get it open. It stayed two month's locked, with all inside, till i could figure out a way to fix it. (The trunk release wire was useless)
Thanks for the heads up dude
@@itsjoel sure, no problem!! Great video!!
Thanks buddy!
What year the Mazda MX it’s look old model the new 2019 model look much sharper than this one
This is the Mach 3 MX-5. The particular car in this episode is from 2006
This is the Miata no one counts as a Miat in the community
Mach 3? Wow. That is fast.
why not go for their high end variants of both roadsters? like mx5 high end variant or the 30th anniversary edition vs high end variant of bmw z4? to see their full potential and to make it and compare it more balance than this video you made
In an ideal world, I would be able to compare all of the latest and greatest cars, however as a small channel I'm sure you can understand that's not always possible.
yeah you got a point. Is asking for the dealership of both of these cars to review and test impossible also?
Gerald Mapa not impossible, but I’m not exactly going to be high up on the list. And I’d much rather film with an owner of their car as they are going to come across better on camera and be more knowledgeable. There’s a lot that goes into making these videos behind the scenes that people watching might not be able to understand. Wish it was just as easy as getting the new cars haha.
Had 2 Mx5's. Would have got another were it not for the rust. Got a z4 5 years ago. No rust. Never needed any repairs except for a horn plug which broke. Fixed with a soldering iron. Mk3 mx5s are rust buckets. Paid £4900 5 years ago for a 2.0 m sport. Worth around £4000 now. So under £200 A year depreciation. 2 year service intervals. Much better looking car inside and out and looks much more expensive. No contest whatsoever. If you want a cheap looking car which will die of rust buy a mk3 mx5
Have you thought about organising a unofficial meet at Goodwood for your fans
Yes, going to organise a meet and drive at some point this summer
You done an S2000?
I haven't, and would very very much like to!
The early NC rides like an SUV, it’s very strange, they only looked like this for 2006 I think.
Nice content and well done.
Thank you
SL56 FEG on a MX5 licence plate. Can this get even better? :D
??
This is a prime example of somebody who has judged the MX5 “by the cover” before driving it, and can actually admit somewhat when driving it that it’s fun in its own way. Way cheaper than a Z4 too. The straight line acceleration test was ridiculous, comparing apples to oranges, who did you really reckon was gonna win that one lol.
Definitely hadn’t judged the MX-5 as I owned one before the Z4! I love the MX-5. I think on paper of course the Z4 was going to win the acceleration test, but it’s interesting to see the difference for people who may be considering either of the cars. Thanks for watching!
@@itsjoel Ok I take that back and thanks for taking the time to reply. Thanks Joel.
No worries dude! Impossible to judge what someone is actually like from a video
I have an MX-5 2007 2.0, just perform an ECU optimization and the engine is able to give out 180hp, no biggie. Also I have the Mazda OEM eibasch lowering springs on mine, feels like a gocart. Much cheaper than the Z4 but also a lot more fun imho. Leaves extra room for upgrades like a new exhaust etc...!
Which ECU program are you using?
Yes, how did you remap?
@@walkenhorst84 BBR, but I know that ECUTek it good as well
Ive got the same mx 5 07 has got electric adjusted mirrors and air con 😀
Jealous of the aircon! Although #racecar..
The MX5 is the better car
I couldn't drive the BMW because I am not an arse hole !!
Lol. A comment like that literally makes you an arse hole! 😂
I think the mx5 is a better car .
I can't drive the BMW beca
The MX5 looks like a proper sport's car. I use my indicators so I couldn't drive a BMW !
Very nice video, please 12:11 *Avoid storing or keeping any plastic bottles exposed to direct sunlight because that could be harmful and carcinogenic.
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You should compare prices when new and current value with equivalent mileage
Good idea
I'm nb owned and rust is slowly eating it away and torn between the two as my next car..
Is your exhaust stock ? (on the Z4)
Pentzzz hi mate, it’s not, I’ve had a backbox delete! Hope this helps.
One can not define a car by boot spa e 😎
Had a couple of MX-5’s before a Z4 - great cars but nowhere near the BMW in all regards. Some sneaky ‘concessions’ that perhaps shouldn’t have been... Heart says it’s nice to be nice, head (for your channel) says be more savage 🐠 Genuinely enjoy the channel though my friend 🦀
Haha thanks David! Dom will back me up that I genuinely wanted the MX-5 to win!
It's Joel It’s a funny one, if Icould have any of my past cars again, hands down it would be one of the Mazdas that was special for various reasons. My wife is delighted with the back box delete on the BMW by the way..!
Good job long time reliability wasn't mentioned as the Z4 would have totally bombed.
the mx5 has two cup holders in the centre console and two bottle holders in the doors.
We showed this in the video. Thanks for watching
@@itsjoel sorry should have watched the whole video before commenting. it just when you said at the beginning the mx5 had 4 cup holders and a lot of people get it wrong. logic would tell me you wouldn't have a cup holder in a swinging slaming door.
Put those cars on a track, the mx5 will be faster on lap times because its light like a sports car should be, Z4 is a sports car looking car and will suffer in the bends
Z4M will smash the miata.
The Z4 has great handling, sure it’s a little heavy for its size but it has perfect weight distribution and makes loads of grip. Have you driven one?
The ride height on the MX makes it look like an SUV in comparison to the Z4.
nonsense, then you never have driven a Z4.