🎣 when I do my trout fishing, i will 6 to 8 pound test line of xt-extra tough maximum abrasion, resistant monofilament and the color I use is low- vis green. This line does the job and gets me my fish reeled in. Thank you very much for the information and the breakdown in this great video. For sure I enjoyed watching
Glad you enjoyed it. Going to a bigger line for sure means you have to retie and stuff less, if at all. I primarily like the thinner lines for better handling. The longer I fish, I've tended to gravitate towards lighter and lighter gear. No doubt that for bass, the lighter the line and weight, etc...the more bites you get. Trilene in low vis green is about the most universal/versatile line AND color you can get.
Another thing that every line manufacturer does is the never list on the box when it was made. It could be 10 year old line on the shelf right next to new line. Mono will deteriorate over time, especially if it was near a window or in sunlight.
Man thank you for this! I’m just now getting serious with fishing and I’m trying out new lines. Got 25lb and 0.22mm braided line from kastking and tried that over my mono 6.0kg (like 13lb) and 0.285mm. The casting distance was pretty much the same for both which proves that what you said is true even with braided and mono! It mostly is the diameter that determines casting, only noticeable difference was strength. Even though braided is still much stronger.
Yep! Diameter is king when it comes to casting distance for sure. Two lines of the same diameter, whether braid or mono, will cast roughly the same if the mono doesn't have lots of memory to slow it down. That's yet ANOTHER reason I use Hercules braid. It's Japanese standardized (nftta) by diameter. For example: suffix pro mix 6lb is 0.14mm. Hercules 10lb braid is 0.12mm. So the standardized 10lb is smaller than the domestic market 6lb. Not even American BRAID is rated correctly by diameter. I very much dislike companies that under-rate their test strengths for marketing reasons. The lines I use the most are as follows (if you are interested) 1. Hercules no fade green 6lb test braid for spinning panfish combos. 2. BPS EXCEL in 2lb test for mono panfish combos 3. Hercules no fade 10lb test 8 strand braid for bass on spinning combos 4. Hercules no fade 20lb test 8 strand green braid for casting combos for bass 5. Hercules no fade green 30lb test 4 strand braid for topwater frogs for bass
Bro I have used all the line you have in this video except that P line stuff, Mr Crappie I never heard of and I have used All kinds of line that XL Trilene smooth casting is just that for real I can throw clear across the lake with the 10 pound line or the 12 pd line but the Trilene big game is larger in diameter and breaks at 18lbs and the casting isn't that smooth casting on a 3000 or size 30 open face reel, so I have been sticking to the 12lb XL smooth casting line because it works. I caught a 7 pound bass and a 6 pound bass with a fight on both lines and the 10 was a little sketchy but the 12 felt solid. that big game 12lb pound is just a little to thick and doesn't come off the spool good even with the real spray. Great video you were on point and its all true to what you are saying I learned something new about how they make the line I really appreciate that. GOD Bless you.
I've been using Trilene XL my whole life and it's been an excellent line for me. I've recently been purchasing Varivas and noticed right away their lines where much thinner in diameter for the same pound test. I actually had to go up 1-2 LB. test on the Varivas compared to the Trilene to get the same results. And the same goes with the U.S. braid vs. Japanese braid. Crazy difference! I thought that's what the IGFA was for.
when i fish for fluke from the shore i use yo-zuri 10lb 0.15mm. ill catch more fish on braid vs mono/floro. the braid it so much more sensitive. i caught a 25 inch fluke on 10lb and a 45lb string ray on 20lb last summer. its all in your setup when it comes to fluke. 7-8ft medium heavy fast action rod with a 2500 reel. i like the penn pursuit 2500 since is cheap 45$. they last me one season and i never dunk them or get sand in them. my favorite rod was a starlite 7ft mh fast action that was stolen from me and its no longer made . best day was 38 fluke and all 4 of my keepers over 20 inches. this year im starting off with the diawa BG 2500 7ft combo.
All of my bass rigs have braid on them, and most of my panfish combos do as well. There's little doubt that braid increases sensitivity dramatically. For mono, my primary concern is that it's less visible than opaque braid, and less likely to spook a wary fish. Instead of having to buy a new $45 reel every year, there are lots of reels at that price point that would certainly last much longer with proper maintenance.
@@TheAverageFisherman99 what would you recommend over penn at that price? if you ever come out to long island ny ill take you to some of my spots. i have an extra kayak you can use. there's a guy out in the Hamptons that lets me fish his private pond. biggest freshwater bass ive seen was 27 inches. in the fall the stripe bass run is great. biggest i got was 43''. last year me and my buddy made a bet on who could catch the most fish in a day. so we started at midnight salt water fishing then at sunrise went to fresh water back to salt at dusk. i got 193 fish in 24 hours he was close by with 162.
I apologize that I just saw this reply. In that price range, the Abu Garcia max pro is hard to beat for bass, as is the Lew's Mach reels. When I put together a combo, I generally expect it to last at least 5-6 years for my midrange stuff, and 5-10 years for my high-end combos. My cheaper setups, I'm happy with 4-5 years. Thanks for the invite!!! Can't say I've ever been to Long Island or the Hamptons, but I DO admit that I've always wanted to check them out.
@The Average Fisherman I used Berkeley XL, all of them. I used a super clinch knot, always breaking line on snags. With the Sufix siege mono I break hooks on snags. I might still have a picture of the broken hook in my Facebook page
I suggest getting carp expert for fresh water fishing I use 10 lb o.25 breaks at 19lb I don’t like using braid as I think the knottt damages the Fuji guides when tied to a carbon mono leader also I think it stops the lure landing accurately on the spot
First time I ever used braid was the time I used braid was for crankbaits. Kept seeing something strange while casting. I was, it's called wind knots. Know I'm not the only one who has that problem!
Big question, so when you look at your fishing reel specs on what lb test it holds, are their recommendations based off of true diameter, or the typical diameter of any lb test?
Good question. Different manufacturers specify differently, which is ALSO a problem. Most higher-end rods (g.loomis, Abu, lew's) go by an approximation measurement. It's a rating based on the approximate average diameter...neither true spec nor over-spec, but an average of both. I wish we had a standardized system here in the U.S. it would eliminate a LOT of these issues.
Berkley is definitely better than zebco, but if you're on a budget, use what ya got and it'll catch fish. Fish don't know how much you paid for your gear trust me. My favorite bass mono is Berkley trilene big game in 8lb, 10lb, or 12lb. My favorite panfish mono is either Berkeley Trilene XL or the BassProShops Excel...which are the same line, both made by Berkley. I use either the 4lb or 2lb test. Mr Crappie camo mono is also good in 4lb. Nylon mono is nylon mono, but depending on how it is treated and what specific resins are used in it, it can have very different properties. It just depends on what characteristics are more important to YOU. When bass fishing, I want a tough abrasion resistant line that I can trust to practically NEVER break...hence big game. Panfishing, I want a very limp line with as little spool memory as humanly possible and that is less visible in the water. Catfishing...I use 20lb big game, and have never in my 40 years of fishing has a fish broken off. Ever. All the 50-60lb+ catfish in my videos on this channel were caught with 20lb test Berkley trilene big game.
@@TheAverageFisherman99 i started bass fishing, thinking that that was fishing. Until i realized the Potomac is full of monsters (carps & catfish and that Americans over hype the bass the same way Europeans do with carp). I bought 30, 40 line and rod. Im slowly working my way up improving my gear, i thinki overdid it but just to be sure. I lost so many fishes in the spring with 10 and 12 lbs cheap zebco lines. If somebody from the eastern usa were to ask me which rod i recomend I'd say a 20lbs rod. More than enough for bass/trout but enough for most carps and catfish from our area.
@@TheAverageFisherman9920lbs is perfect (or decent). But i had a 15lbs rod with 8,10, 12 lbs line at the time. The Potomac is full of trees, rocks, branches, and aquatic plant booms, so using drag is very risky and hard. Specially fishing in the shoreline (limited places). Unless u are planning on ONLY catching trout, panfish, bass, pike i don't recommend 10-15 lbs rod anymore (unless u have to). In the spring the the catfish and carp will just break it. They didn't even gave me a chance to fight.. i guess at the end of they day is a good thing but i felt bad for all the fishes that left hurting with the hook for who knows how many months...
No what I mean is rod power isn't designated by lbs. It has a recommended line weight and lure weight on most of them, but I've never seen one listed as a "20 lb rod"
Great insight thank you your research on this topic I found it very helpful. I notice on Japanese websites that they use a different line size on reels and line.
Yes. It is in kg, so you'll have to convert it, but I'd be happy to send you the chart. Eftta and nftta lines are the same by the way. One is a Japanese standard (Nippon) and the other is the European standard. Comparing the two, the diameters and strengths are identical.
0.18in is 0.45mm. That is 30lb line by diameter...in either nftta or JAFS standardization. Proof of this is that all the sites that tested big game, it broke WELL over 20lbs. In fact, in six tests I viewed, it broke at 31lbs, almost exactly what the JAFS standard said it would break at by diameter. Trilene big game 12lb is actually 19lb.
I love the Simple break down Dayum!
Glad you found it helpful!
🎣 when I do my trout fishing,
i will 6 to 8 pound test line of
xt-extra tough maximum abrasion, resistant monofilament and the color I use is low- vis green. This line does the job and gets me my fish reeled in. Thank you very much for the information and the breakdown in this great video. For sure I enjoyed watching
Glad you enjoyed it.
Going to a bigger line for sure means you have to retie and stuff less, if at all.
I primarily like the thinner lines for better handling. The longer I fish, I've tended to gravitate towards lighter and lighter gear. No doubt that for bass, the lighter the line and weight, etc...the more bites you get.
Trilene in low vis green is about the most universal/versatile line AND color you can get.
Another thing that every line manufacturer does is the never list on the box when it was made. It could be 10 year old line on the shelf right next to new line. Mono will deteriorate over time, especially if it was near a window or in sunlight.
100% true.
This was very informative and appreciate your honesty and your knowledge. Blessings
Glad it helped you!!
Man thank you for this! I’m just now getting serious with fishing and I’m trying out new lines. Got 25lb and 0.22mm braided line from kastking and tried that over my mono 6.0kg (like 13lb) and 0.285mm. The casting distance was pretty much the same for both which proves that what you said is true even with braided and mono! It mostly is the diameter that determines casting, only noticeable difference was strength. Even though braided is still much stronger.
Yep! Diameter is king when it comes to casting distance for sure. Two lines of the same diameter, whether braid or mono, will cast roughly the same if the mono doesn't have lots of memory to slow it down.
That's yet ANOTHER reason I use Hercules braid. It's Japanese standardized (nftta) by diameter. For example: suffix pro mix 6lb is 0.14mm. Hercules 10lb braid is 0.12mm. So the standardized 10lb is smaller than the domestic market 6lb.
Not even American BRAID is rated correctly by diameter. I very much dislike companies that under-rate their test strengths for marketing reasons.
The lines I use the most are as follows (if you are interested)
1. Hercules no fade green 6lb test braid for spinning panfish combos.
2. BPS EXCEL in 2lb test for mono panfish combos
3. Hercules no fade 10lb test 8 strand braid for bass on spinning combos
4. Hercules no fade 20lb test 8 strand green braid for casting combos for bass
5. Hercules no fade green 30lb test 4 strand braid for topwater frogs for bass
Very good points! Thank you for the video!
You're welcome!!
Thanks for the depth knowledge.. its help a lot
You're very welcome! I hope it helps you find the line that behaves the way YOU want it to!
Great video, thank you for your insights!
I'm glad you found it useful!
Bro I have used all the line you have in this video except that P line stuff, Mr Crappie I never heard of and I have used All kinds of line that XL Trilene smooth casting is just that for real I can throw clear across the lake with the 10 pound line or the 12 pd line but the Trilene big game is larger in diameter and breaks at 18lbs and the casting isn't that smooth casting on a 3000 or size 30 open face reel, so I have been sticking to the 12lb XL smooth casting line because it works. I caught a 7 pound bass and a 6 pound bass with a fight on both lines and the 10 was a little sketchy but the 12 felt solid. that big game 12lb pound is just a little to thick and doesn't come off the spool good even with the real spray. Great video you were on point and its all true to what you are saying I learned something new about how they make the line I really appreciate that. GOD Bless you.
Glad you liked the video. Trilene XL is my "standard" mono for a reason.
The biggest I'll go for mono on a spinning reel is 8lb. It handles better imo
I've been using Trilene XL my whole life and it's been an excellent line for me. I've recently been purchasing Varivas and noticed right away their lines where much thinner in diameter for the same pound test. I actually had to go up 1-2 LB. test on the Varivas compared to the Trilene to get the same results. And the same goes with the U.S. braid vs. Japanese braid. Crazy difference! I thought that's what the IGFA was for.
I tried to buy my usual 3000 yd. spool for this year. No go Joe! I guess Berkley doesn't make Trilene XT in that size anymore.
Really? What lb/test?
@@TheAverageFisherman99 17 lb. test.
And I called Berkley and no dice!
@@floydmayes4924 damn that sucks
Beat video on mono out there subbed👌🏼
Glad you found it useful!
Great video
Thank you..I put a LOT of research time into it.
when i fish for fluke from the shore i use yo-zuri 10lb 0.15mm. ill catch more fish on braid vs mono/floro. the braid it so much more sensitive. i caught a 25 inch fluke on 10lb and a 45lb string ray on 20lb last summer. its all in your setup when it comes to fluke. 7-8ft medium heavy fast action rod with a 2500 reel. i like the penn pursuit 2500 since is cheap 45$. they last me one season and i never dunk them or get sand in them. my favorite rod was a starlite 7ft mh fast action that was stolen from me and its no longer made . best day was 38 fluke and all 4 of my keepers over 20 inches. this year im starting off with the diawa BG 2500 7ft combo.
All of my bass rigs have braid on them, and most of my panfish combos do as well.
There's little doubt that braid increases sensitivity dramatically.
For mono, my primary concern is that it's less visible than opaque braid, and less likely to spook a wary fish.
Instead of having to buy a new $45 reel every year, there are lots of reels at that price point that would certainly last much longer with proper maintenance.
@@TheAverageFisherman99 what would you recommend over penn at that price? if you ever come out to long island ny ill take you to some of my spots. i have an extra kayak you can use. there's a guy out in the Hamptons that lets me fish his private pond. biggest freshwater bass ive seen was 27 inches. in the fall the stripe bass run is great. biggest i got was 43''. last year me and my buddy made a bet on who could catch the most fish in a day. so we started at midnight salt water fishing then at sunrise went to fresh water back to salt at dusk. i got 193 fish in 24 hours he was close by with 162.
I apologize that I just saw this reply.
In that price range, the Abu Garcia max pro is hard to beat for bass, as is the Lew's Mach reels.
When I put together a combo, I generally expect it to last at least 5-6 years for my midrange stuff, and 5-10 years for my high-end combos.
My cheaper setups, I'm happy with 4-5 years.
Thanks for the invite!!! Can't say I've ever been to Long Island or the Hamptons, but I DO admit that I've always wanted to check them out.
I`m brand loyal to Stren bulk spools , and Triline Big Game bulk spools.
I use stren in smaller weights.
@@TheAverageFisherman99 I like the Stren bulk spools from Acadamy.
I used many different brands of mono since the seventy. I now use Sufix Siege mono 10lbs and 14lbs
I tend to rotate, but my "standard" is Berkeley...either XL or Big Game depending on the situation.
@The Average Fisherman I used Berkeley XL, all of them. I used a super clinch knot, always breaking line on snags. With the Sufix siege mono I break hooks on snags. I might still have a picture of the broken hook in my Facebook page
@@TheAverageFisherman99 I have a picture of the broken hook. How can I send you the picture from my Facebook page
I never used anything more than 25 lbs Triline big game in saltwater before I went to braid .
I always use the 20lb in coastal brown.
I suggest getting carp expert for fresh water fishing I use 10 lb o.25 breaks at 19lb I don’t like using braid as I think the knottt damages the Fuji guides when tied to a carbon mono leader also I think it stops the lure landing accurately on the spot
Carp expert?
First time I ever used braid was the time I used braid was for crankbaits. Kept seeing something strange while casting. I was, it's called wind knots. Know I'm not the only one who has that problem!
Big question, so when you look at your fishing reel specs on what lb test it holds, are their recommendations based off of true diameter, or the typical diameter of any lb test?
Good question. Different manufacturers specify differently, which is ALSO a problem. Most higher-end rods (g.loomis, Abu, lew's) go by an approximation measurement. It's a rating based on the approximate average diameter...neither true spec nor over-spec, but an average of both.
I wish we had a standardized system here in the U.S. it would eliminate a LOT of these issues.
I thought nylon was nylon and bough zebco, the cheapest brand from Walmart but after somebody gave me a Berkeley i think and is more smooth...
Berkley is definitely better than zebco, but if you're on a budget, use what ya got and it'll catch fish. Fish don't know how much you paid for your gear trust me.
My favorite bass mono is Berkley trilene big game in 8lb, 10lb, or 12lb. My favorite panfish mono is either Berkeley Trilene XL or the BassProShops Excel...which are the same line, both made by Berkley. I use either the 4lb or 2lb test. Mr Crappie camo mono is also good in 4lb.
Nylon mono is nylon mono, but depending on how it is treated and what specific resins are used in it, it can have very different properties. It just depends on what characteristics are more important to YOU.
When bass fishing, I want a tough abrasion resistant line that I can trust to practically NEVER break...hence big game. Panfishing, I want a very limp line with as little spool memory as humanly possible and that is less visible in the water.
Catfishing...I use 20lb big game, and have never in my 40 years of fishing has a fish broken off. Ever. All the 50-60lb+ catfish in my videos on this channel were caught with 20lb test Berkley trilene big game.
@@TheAverageFisherman99 i started bass fishing, thinking that that was fishing. Until i realized the Potomac is full of monsters (carps & catfish and that Americans over hype the bass the same way Europeans do with carp). I bought 30, 40 line and rod. Im slowly working my way up improving my gear, i thinki overdid it but just to be sure. I lost so many fishes in the spring with 10 and 12 lbs cheap zebco lines. If somebody from the eastern usa were to ask me which rod i recomend I'd say a 20lbs rod. More than enough for bass/trout but enough for most carps and catfish from our area.
What exactly do you mean by a 20lb rod? I caught a 53lb blue cat on this channel using an Abu Garcia silver max combo with 20lb big game.
@@TheAverageFisherman9920lbs is perfect (or decent). But i had a 15lbs rod with 8,10, 12 lbs line at the time. The Potomac is full of trees, rocks, branches, and aquatic plant booms, so using drag is very risky and hard. Specially fishing in the shoreline (limited places). Unless u are planning on ONLY catching trout, panfish, bass, pike i don't recommend 10-15 lbs rod anymore (unless u have to). In the spring the the catfish and carp will just break it. They didn't even gave me a chance to fight.. i guess at the end of they day is a good thing but i felt bad for all the fishes that left hurting with the hook for who knows how many months...
No what I mean is rod power isn't designated by lbs. It has a recommended line weight and lure weight on most of them, but I've never seen one listed as a "20 lb rod"
Very informative but I could not find the chart you are talking about. Would be very helpful if you could post a link to the chart. Thanks.
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Great insight thank you your research on this topic I found it very helpful. I notice on Japanese websites that they use a different line size on reels and line.
@@GusM661 yeah they do...that's why I go by the mm size of the line. Glad you found this helpful!
@@GusM661 nftta is the Japanese standard. EFTTA is the European standard.
Thank you sir
Could you send me a chart of the Nftta actual line diameter vs lb.
Yes. It is in kg, so you'll have to convert it, but I'd be happy to send you the chart.
Eftta and nftta lines are the same by the way. One is a Japanese standard (Nippon) and the other is the European standard. Comparing the two, the diameters and strengths are identical.
Thank you.
Stren is the shit. Very tough and supple zero memory and its CHEAP
It definitely has memory, but it's only slightly more than Trilene xl.
Fuzzy Math! .018 dia. line is not 40lb.
0.18in is 0.45mm. That is 30lb line by diameter...in either nftta or JAFS standardization.
Proof of this is that all the sites that tested big game, it broke WELL over 20lbs. In fact, in six tests I viewed, it broke at 31lbs, almost exactly what the JAFS standard said it would break at by diameter.
Trilene big game 12lb is actually 19lb.