We've Been TOLD a Monofilament MYTH - And Does it Matter?
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2023
- This misconception of monofilament fishing line has been spread for many years. See what really happens and does it even matter? You decide. Links to some of my favorite lures are listed below.
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Someone explain why this isn't the biggest Bass fishing Channel on RUclips yet? The subscription rate is criminally low.
Maybe some day. I appreciate you watching! The channel keeps growing.
Chances are he started his channel to late. Most people have stayed loyal to there channels since channels emerged on RUclips.
One thing I've noticed about the world of fishing tackle is that sometimes "floating" really means "sinks slower"... You should have heard me trying to teach a rookie about the "floating worm"...
"Yes, they call it a floating worm, no it doesn't float... It just sinks very slowly, and you twitch it to keep it near the surface. I don't know why they don't call it the twitching worm instead... Yes you can drive on the parkway then park in my driveway."
Lol. That is a great example!
That is really wild! While that affect might only be subtle, that can translate to some really different action when working those baits. I think this video might be huge!
It was really interesting to see the difference in that popper. I thought there would be some, but it was a bigger impact than I thought.
The way of the world, we are constantly being conditioned that we “need and should use” a more expensive alternative. I get it, but, usually I stay in a rut and use what works for me. Not saying it doesn’t happen occasionally but you would think “birds nests” lurk around every cast. They don’t at least for me, maybe I’m lucky. Also, a spare spool is something I always have with me. Just saying.
Sunline makes a Fine float floating line.
Awesome video!!! Thanks for sharing those facts on the mono & fluoro. Stay Safe & God Bless!!
Thanks so much!
Good stuff appreciate your time doing this. I've been saying for years all records are on monofilament.
I would be very interested in this is this actually true? Or more it's "often" mono
Appreciate your experiments and efforts, great channel!
Thanks! They are fun.
Great info. Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge.
And thanks so much for watching! I appreciate it.
Please do a video comparison of stretch between mono and fluoro. I think there’s a lot of false theories that fluoro doesn’t really stretch much but in my tests it does considerably. Thanks!!
I have got this one in the works!
Great video! You have the best under water footage!
Thank you!
I’m glad you discussed using these as a leader only. I had almost started to ask when you hit on it. Thanks.
When I was working on this one I almost forgot to put that in! That would have been a big omission. Lol.
What a great video Steve. I had a day were I forgot my topwater set up and fished poppers on fluorocarbon line. My buddy was using his set up with mono and he caught 2 to 1 what I did. Mono definitely helps with topwater for sure.
I was surprised how much the nose of the popper dipped. It was considerable.
Thank you very much! I’ve always used mono and until a fishing buddy told me I had to try floro I tried it and lost a 8 pounder in that tournament and 2 other 4 plus bass. No stretch I said and told him that’s why he seems to always loose his big fish. He changed to mono and said, I hate to tell you this but your right I caught 2- 5 pounders today and got both in the boat!!! Appreciate Steve! Thx buddy for clearing that up for me! Keep the faith brother! 👍🥸🙏
Thanks much!
This is why your channel rocks.
Thanks! This was a really fun one to work on and interesting to witness.
Good to see ya, Steve. This is a great video. Take care and be safe
You as well my friend! The wedding went great this weekend and I appreciate you thinking about us! You are very much appreciated. Thank you!
@@SteveRogersOutdoors I appreciate you, brother. So happy all went well
Great video Steve! Thanks for sharing this information on the lines. It really helps. Keep up the good work buddy. As always, #SteveRogersOutdoors rocks!!!
Thanks much!
Thank you Steve
You're welcome!
Thanks for recommending the Jay Yelas book.
Xlnt read.
Thanks
Just stumbled across this great channel !
Thanks!
Interesting. Wonder how copolymer and hybrid lines behave.
Another great explanation. In order to make sure that your monofilament floats, put on some "fly floatant" on the line. The comment by others that monofilament stretches is also applicable to flurocarbon, as some stretch more than mono and some less. I purchased some P Line topwater copolymer and it floats and supposedly stretches less and casts like a dream without the annoying noise of braid.
That P Line copolymer is a great line. I have used it a lot over the years. I should have grabbed some of that fly float from my fly kit. Didn't even cross my mind. I had heard that too about Fluoro actually stretching more but taking more force to do so. I would love to work on that one.
You're unique, Steve, thanks every time again !!!
Thanks! It was a really great one to work on and took a lot longer than I though to get it ready. lol
@@SteveRogersOutdoors Yes of course 👍👍👍👍
Awesome 💯👊🎣
Thanks so much!
I do currently use Fluorocarbon for most of my crank baits, spinner baits and jigs and worms. But for decades i was completely happy with big spools of bulk monofilament. I honestly can’t tell a giant difference in the two lines.
I would like to see you bust up another fishing myth. For many years I participated in bass tournaments as a co angler. I got to spend time with many champions of our sport. I have never seen any of those “pro anglers” physically cast their baits further than I could cast. I often read material and view content on videos of how anglers can cast 50-80 yards with no problem. I have never seen this distance achieved before. I took a builders tape measure in my yard, and a regular long cast for me is 25-28 yards. A freaking rare monster cast is 35-38 yards. This was using a heavy strike king deep diving crank bait and a 8 foot rod and 10 pound Fluorocarbon line. I would like to see a video that would address this fishing myth.
That is an excellent topic! I will have to dig into that one in depth. I will have to really think about how to measure that with some sort of control to eliminate a few variables. Great topic. Thank you!
I do think most guys vastly overestimate their casting distance, but you do have guys like KVD who can bomb a crankbait further than the average Joe I'm sure. Livescope is the best on the water ruler for distance, as I've heard others say, "40 feet is way closer than you think, and 100 feet is way further away than you think". I can cast a 1/4 ounce dropshot around 110 feet or so max, so I don't think cast a big plug on a long rod 50 yards is really all that crazy, but yah that is really bombing it and I doubt many are anywhere near casting 80 yards with bass gear.
I watched MLF fishing for years and not once thought, "Wow those guys can cast really far". But I quite often thought, "Wow, those guys can sure gets their lures where they need them".
Mono and weightless senko. KILLER
That is a great combo!
Great topic. you should do an entire series on Fluorocarbon myths, starting with line stretch. Fluorocarbon lines stretch just as much as nylon mono.
In lab tests, absolutely. I think the difference though is when you are lightly loaded, like with a jig or a crankbait, the mono will stretch and rebound under the weight of the lure while the fluoro doesn't. You can absolutely feel a huge difference in the feel of a crankbait when you are using fluoro vs mono line.
It is definitely one that I am working on and going to try to apply it to practical on the water stuff. Super interesting.
I'm Oldschool and stuck on stupid Mono has caught Albacore, Yellowtail, Dorado and lots of fresh water fish for me. I stick with what works. Thank you very much 60 years on the water Fish On LOL Los Angeles
Thanks for watching!
Just wanted t fill you in. I had commented about a monster jumping off then next week breaking my line, fishing same area. I had seen the one jump & was significantly larger than my current at time on 8lb 6oz. Well Sunday I went back locked & loaded with 15lb line & I hooked into another beast! She pulled my kayak all over left& right. I had keep switching sides so I didn't get spun completely around! I caught her a 9lb 3oz! She was 26" long & 16.5" in girth. Of course I released her. Second cast later I caught a 4lb 1oz. Thing I realized is. That big girl didn't have a hook in her lip or had any signs of holes or tearing. So I'm sure the big ones that go away were actually different ones. I'll keep trying for that double digit!
Wow! You have got a spot located for sure! Congratulations on that huge fish. I am so happy for you!
@@SteveRogersOutdoors thanks, I'm considering doing a replica of that one. A big fish like that deserves to be released! Its taken me almost 2 years to really figure that place out. I'm would have liked to see that fish in prespawm when she was fat & full of eggs. Idk how much extra weight a big fish like that adds on when they are? I'll keep at it see if I can hook into another or one that broke me of & get that 3/0 hook out of her mouth! I'm fishing that area with 4/0 or 5/0 hooks 15-20lb line so I don't get broken off again
This explains what happened when I tried this. I noticed that the longer the cast, and the longer I let it sit still before working it- the more the fluoro affected the action of the bait. But- if it was a short cast, and I started working it the second it hit the water- I could run most top waters on fluoro without issues. Especially since I use braid to about 6-7 feet of fluoro leader- my water is either stained or muddy all the time and I've found that's all I need- 6-7 feet. Plus- it's very economical when you consider braid lasts for up to a year on my rods- sometimes longer- and I'm only using 6-7 feet of fluoro at a time. I run my leader until I can feel nicks or roughness when I slide my fingers over it- or I get snagged and break it off. I'm sure I'd be more anal about it if I were tournament fishing- but I'm just having fun. That said- so far, so good- haven't lost one due to a bad leader yet. I'm sure it will happen- probably when I finally nail I big one- but not yet.
That is a such a huge benefit of braid to leader. I remember when I first started doing that I was so impressed with the longevity of the braid. Thank you for adding all this.
I use braid to a 8"-10", 14# mono leader for most of my top waters.
Q: Can anyone cast further with mono/fluoro than with braid? I cannot.
I _must_ bank fish and want/need long casting; that's _only ONE_ reason I use braid.
I definitely cast much farther with braid. At least in my experience. Thanks for watching!
@@SteveRogersOutdoors Thanks for answering, and the metrics (densities) in your vid.
Did you intentionally omit the density of braid?
That's not like you Steve.
@@FiciousCritik I should have definitely put that in there. I overlooked that one.
Dude, you’vr challenged the status quo on fishing lines. Quick story share: last night, I fished a 6th Sense popper on my lake and casted it a mile on 16lb fluro. Didnt have my mono spooled baitcaster. My popper was STILL floating on top using fluro. I was shocked! The only observation was that in order to “pop” the bait you had to reel slack ( that was under water) until the line came to the surface. In all, I didnt see the tooo much diff with mono. And I caught a small LM bass. Go figure Steve!😂
Thanks for sharing all this!
Thanks.
Thank you for watching!
I've personal seen mono float ABOVE the water before. Granted there was a storm coming quickly and I guess it was the static electricity in the air. We high tailed it when that happened
I had that happen once too on Table Rock Lake. Very surreal and scary!
Steve Rogers...THE Scientific Angler! More great info......Thanks!
Thanks so much. This was a fun one to do.
Use 20 pound big game for topwater s it doesn’t foul the hooks like lighter line. Floro gave up on that crap years ago McCoys or p line copoly for everything else
Thank u for the great info i am going to change my topwater line now after seeing this😮🎉
Thanks for watching!
Fantastic video as usual. I am curious how mono would work for jerkbaits, especially to keep them suspended versus fluorocarbon, which would make some suspending jerkbaits sink. Also, since I'm a hard-core dropshot angler and love when my baits suspend off bottom, I wonder if mono would help with that since I use a 10-20ft leader to braid.
Those are all excellent questions. I really am intrigued by the jerkbait. I will have to do some digging around on that one. I have always used fluoro on my jerkbaits to get a little more depth, but a nose-dropping experiment might be fun and see if any noticeable change can be witnessed with the action. Thank you for adding all this!
@@SteveRogersOutdoors I do use mono alot when I am float fishing for steelhead and I do notice that after a while, it starts to sink. I used to use mono for squarbills and still caught many fish. But I am considering switching to 10 or 12lb mono for my jerkbaits. I also wonder how clear it is compared to fluorocarbon. I am sure that horizontal presentations shouldn't matter too much.
I wonder if it's true that mono line absorbers water? If it does then it seems it's soaked density would be even closer to that of water VS when it's dry. So It would likely sink even slower. That probably adds to the persistent myth of it floating.
It was interesting to watch. I couldn’t believe how quickly it went down.
How does monofilament action change after it’s been used, and stretched, and has absorbed water?
When I was doing this video, those exact questions really started to bounce around in my mind. I need to do part 2 for this one and explore some of the variables you mentioned. Thank you for adding these!
Another myth, steve, that fluro has so much less stretch than mono. I tied two pieces ( one mono, one fluro ) on a fence post, paced off sixty ft. and pulled hard on both of them. Where's all the difference ?
It is amazing how much stretch is in fishing line. The first time I did that I was just shocked. Thanks for adding this!
@@SteveRogersOutdoors Right, steve, mono really stretches and the lighter the line the more it stretches. Another claim I've tested is the one about how much farther long rods cast than shorter rods. Go out in an open field and with the same line and reel throw a 5ft. rod against a 7.5ft.rod, I find the difference negligible, if any.
I know Swindle runs a flourocarbon leader on his buzzbaits and has no issues with it. Personally I like spooling up with mono for my topwaters and using more a regular action rod and relying on the stretch of the mono to soften the action of the rod once I'm hooked up. I'm not a huge fan of braid to leader on my baitcaster setups.
Thanks so much for adding all this! I appreciate it and thank you for watching.
I use 10 lb mono on my glass rod. I use it for lipless, blade baits and whopper ploppers. I'll also take that reel and use it on an old 6'8 medium rod for whenever I want to do jerkbait fishing. I'm just a bank angler, so I don't feel the need to have dedicated setups for every technique, and I don't jerkbait fish enough either. The mono works perfectly well on every application, and is so much cheaper. I still use fluoro leaders on my jigs, keitechs, but anything with trebles gets the mono line, and i don't feel like i'm missing bites because of it.
The cost-benefit is huge. Fluoro is getting so very expensive. And then I tend to follow up a new spool with a brutal backlash. Lo.
@@SteveRogersOutdoors i've wrote off entire spools becauses i've caught a bush or something on the back swing and nuked the spool. I just use Berkley Big Game on my treble hook setup. 1200 yards was like 15 bucks.
Quick tip : use Vaseline on either mono or flouro to make them much more buoyant
Thanks for adding this!
I use different brands of mono. I now use Sufix Siege mono 10lbs and 14lbs since 2021. This line is very hard to break on snags. I have straightened or broken the hooks
That is a good one. I have used both that one and the Elite. Good stuff!
@SteveRogersOutdoors I have two Quantum smoke reels for the Quantum smoke rod, it has micro line line guides. I been thinking about changing one reel line for a different Sufix line and higher pound line. On the reels handle it has numbers for different size line 8 up to 60. My rod line size starts at 8 too 17 lbs. I tried heavier line over 17lb. It didn't cast very well with any of the lures I have. I only cast half the distance of my 14lbs mono. I am a riverbank fisherman here in Fredericton New. We have the Saint John River and the Nashwaak river here in Fredericton
Yeah that's why I just use straight braid all the time
Thank you for watching!
Did you test different brands of line?
I have not done a video specifically testing same pound test against different brands. I will have to. Thank you!
I never bought into that notion, I was more into the stretch factor but then rods started getting a lot more technical and let go of having all these different lines on the boat and at the house, I do not even consider using Mono any more but that was a very interesting point of view to consider, great stuff man and thanx !!!
Thanks! It was definitely interesting to work on.
I never understood why everyone thinks mono floats?? I do alot of experiments in shallow cleaner water with my baits. So I know what they actually look like which what I'm doing with rodor reel. Mono definitely doesn't float! I never understood why everyone says it does? I do think floro si ka faster but not that much. I mostly use straight mon& floro. I don't know why people have gotten away from mono so much past years??
It has definitely been a trend the last few years like you said.
I would like to see a comparison of mono vs. floro underwater. Great info man keep them coming.
Thanks!
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I prefer Flourocarbon for 2 main reasons. Floruo has less memory than mono & the stretch. If it was as manageable as Flouro I would probably use mono.
Those are two excellent reasons. Thanks for watching!