Great yarn. I think there is also a story about Martin Carthy and Bob Dylan meeting and discussing the origins of this song and Dylan going away and writing Girl from the north country.
Very clear Jon… well done. I’ve often thought that these naive contract signings should be easily legally contestable. Martin should still get his credit and cut, and Paul should get his for altering then presenting his version. Anyway- I’m off to educate myself about these fascinating folk singers. Cheers. Tim
This is a great video and that recording of Martin talking about the song was really fascinating - a slightly different angle to how I've heard him discuss it before. I thought it would be relevant to provide a link to my video on this topic, which you may or may not be aware of: ruclips.net/video/adlHgFxdoFw/видео.html
It is my understanding that Ewan MacColl did not write the famous tune to Scarborough Fair. Rather he collected it 1947 from a traditional singer Mark Anderson from County Durham. I am open to be contradicted, if anyone has any contrary information.
Jon, many thanks for that great insight into the origins of Scarborough Fair. I had known it was Martin's song and that there was a bit of an issue with Paul's adoption of it and it's subsequent worldwide success in The Graduate soundtrack. The first time I ever heard the song was when a very young Simon & Garfunkel sang it on The Andy Williams Show in 1968. Paul's guitar arrangement really struck me as beautiful, played on his Guild F30 guitar. ruclips.net/video/c_T7HgZKZjo/видео.html&ab_channel=SimonandGarfunkelNews
Okay. You admitted that we’re dealing with an English folk song that dates back to the Middle Ages and it wasn’t even Carthy who wrote the current lyrics. Simon did hear Carthy perform the song and actually came to know him well. But Carthy didn’t write the song. Eventually, they settled.
@@robinleebraun7739 Pretty much correct, yes. Martin did however write the basis of the arrangement that Simon adapted into the S&G version. That's the bit that Paul Simon realised he should've credited to Martin.
Sounds like sour grapes. It is not Carthys song to begin with. Martin and Paul are completely different musicians. I saw Martin back in the 70's in Lincoln, he was very impressive.
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I found that fascinating. Thank you for sharing and thanks to Fylde for putting it in their newsletter.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Jon. I’d heard this story before, but the detail you went into, and comments from Martin, were very interesting.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Great yarn. I think there is also a story about Martin Carthy and Bob Dylan meeting and discussing the origins of this song and Dylan going away and writing Girl from the north country.
@@overthebackfence8776 Yep! Next video ...
Ralph McTell is adamant that Paul Simon watched Martin Carthy play it and borrowed it almost wholesale.
@@philipbrackpool-bk1bm Perfectly possible. I only have Martin's story to go on.
Funny seeing that Cousins membership card. I still have mine.
Your knowledge and analysis is fascinating. Thank you.
@@peterdelmonte9832 Were you a regular down there? Who did you see?
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That was very enjoyable and informative
Thanks for watching!
Very clear Jon… well done. I’ve often thought that these naive contract signings should be easily legally contestable. Martin should still get his credit and cut, and Paul should get his for altering then presenting his version.
Anyway- I’m off to educate myself about these fascinating folk singers. Cheers. Tim
@@mothyman1961 I'm not sure what the current situation is but I believe they're old buddies again now.
This is a great video and that recording of Martin talking about the song was really fascinating - a slightly different angle to how I've heard him discuss it before.
I thought it would be relevant to provide a link to my video on this topic, which you may or may not be aware of:
ruclips.net/video/adlHgFxdoFw/видео.html
Thanks for watching. Martin is a fascinating guy with a truckload of great stories to tell.
I guess that makes Paul Simon "The American Jimmy Page"
It is my understanding that Ewan MacColl did not write the famous tune to Scarborough Fair. Rather he collected it 1947 from a traditional singer Mark Anderson from County Durham. I am open to be contradicted, if anyone has any contrary information.
@@howardhawksley1355 It's entirely possible. I'm just going on what Martin told me.
Anybody who dares to cover this ancient timeless classic will get a copyright notice and/or a strike from Paul Simon`s record company sadly.
So Paul puts his own twist to an old fold song like a great deal of blues players did with old time delta blues songs.
@@sandmonjones8004 I think the point is that Paul put Martin Carthy's twist to an old folk song and then received payment for it.
@JonWilks I see your point.
Jon, many thanks for that great insight into the origins of Scarborough Fair. I had known it was Martin's song and that there was a bit of an issue with Paul's adoption of it and it's subsequent worldwide success in The Graduate soundtrack.
The first time I ever heard the song was when a very young Simon & Garfunkel sang it on The Andy Williams Show in 1968.
Paul's guitar arrangement really struck me as beautiful, played on his Guild F30 guitar.
ruclips.net/video/c_T7HgZKZjo/видео.html&ab_channel=SimonandGarfunkelNews
@@tipp5581 You're welcome. There's more to tell. I need to make another video!
Simon didn’t credit many melodies he took from others. Claiming he didn’t know he had to was disingenuous at best.
Okay. You admitted that we’re dealing with an English folk song that dates back to the Middle Ages and it wasn’t even Carthy who wrote the current lyrics. Simon did hear Carthy perform the song and actually came to know him well. But Carthy didn’t write the song. Eventually, they settled.
@@robinleebraun7739 Pretty much correct, yes. Martin did however write the basis of the arrangement that Simon adapted into the S&G version. That's the bit that Paul Simon realised he should've credited to Martin.
Sounds like sour grapes. It is not Carthys song to begin with. Martin and Paul are completely different musicians. I saw Martin back in the 70's in Lincoln, he was very impressive.
@@vanhelsing8120 You're right. It's not his song. It belongs to all of us. But it is definitely his arrangement. Paul Simon has said so himself.
Money matters.
Yawn
@@PrecisionEBikes Glad you enjoyed it!