Why You're Gradually Getting Worse At osu!
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Science has shown you need 6 hours to reconsolidate your memory, such as muscle memory. If you play too much you are probably interrupting those 6 hours, and because of that you don't really remember the lessons you consciously and unconsciously learned while playing earlier
yeah waking up during REM sleep worsens your memory; though i don't remember there being a correlation to muscle memory too
but nontheless, sleep mad important cuz tired/sleepy eyes can easily make you bad at hr or dt
@@pleasecontactme4274 not really talking about sleep just time in general you need 6 hours to reconsolidate a memory. though sleep does has an important role in memory consolidation and reconsolidation.
basically when you play osu the memory that tells you how to play osu (your muscle memory) becomes labile and can begin changing again, so you can learn to play better. then once you stop playing you have to give yourself enough time to take everything you learned and reconsolidate so that it becomes stable again (can't change until you use it again) id imagine that using it before hand can interrupt your memory and make you not really improve.
@@inconnn you need MORE than 6 hours actually for goodmemory
also yeah looked it up, ur right it includes muscle memory
@@pleasecontactme4274 no I'm not talking about sleeping 6 hours I'm talking about 6 hours between you end a session and before you start another session. though I'm not sure how much it really matters since sleep will give you that amount of time between sessions but it's good to keep in mind especially if you change something it can really disrupt your memory
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this is the exact thing that i see with one of my friends... he has a cycle of playing osu!.
1) playing the game and improving fast (since he is fresh)
2) seeing an opportunity and pushing himself to his limits
3) getting tiered of the game (and even hating it) and feeling like he is getting worse
4) leaving the game for a month or two
5) repeat
most of this is caused by his extremely competitive mindset that is really hard to change, he is doing his best to improve, sees huge progress and then stagnates because he becomes saturated and exhausted from not cooling down. his extreme competitiveness makes him always push himself to his limits and never letting go, causing him more harm than good. and it is evident from his play count graph and rank graph which look like spikes for a short time and then nothing for two months.
while having a competitive mindset and pushing yourself is good and should be done regularly, you also need the opposite of cooling down and letting pressure fade and coming back to the game fresh. clear from the feeling of "getting worse" the more you play.
This is exactly what I used to do but then eventually I stopped caring and started playing for fun and started improving long term
about point 3, in reality he's getting mad at himself and just subconsciously masking it as hating the game (and that also explains why he always comes back (he doesn't really hate the game itself)). Try to convey this to him in an informative way as self improvement advice, he should relax more and give himself a break (physically and mentally) and try to be less harsh on himself. It can be hard and demotivating even, but it can be done.
@@cremlen yeah man. improving long term is much better because you build a habit not only play intensive for short time.
just like me lol... but after those breaks you'll usually improve a bit after derusting period
This felt really similar to how i play the game except the "hate" thing, i just burnout on it really often
it has been months, I am legitly getting worse and worse over time. I gave myself enough rests, tried fixing my techniques, went back to the basics, tried to not think that I'm getting worse, playing songs that I like and just enjoying the music. I am well aware that improving can take a lot of time.I watched tons of videos like this, and I fully agree that everyone can improve and I've seen a lot of players improve even slowly, but once I start playing, the scores says it all. I cant beat my previous scores, they're not even close. I went like almost 1 star rating below compared to before. After a while I started playing offline, to take away the pp system from my thoughts, even honestly I don't care about pp anymore. Nothing works. I don't want to quit, I love this game. But right now, after almost half a year of degrading, it feels like I've hit a wall, and then the wall hit me back to where I was before hitting the wall. Every session I went through pushes me back further and further. Sometimes I put NF just to enjoy the songs in case I failed in the middle. 30+ days of playtime and I barely step on top 100k. Not to mention the amount of time I played offline. At this point, I'm not expecting any improvement at all, all I want is just to not get worse. This is nuts and it's driving me crazy. I can't believe this is happening. It's so fkn sad. Maybe it's my fault, maybe things just go wrong around me, maybe I'm just unlucky, or as eminem said, maybe that's what happens when a tornado meets a volcano. I hope no one will ever face this. Anyways, goodbye osu.
ive also arrived at a similar wall
im stuck at 4-5 stars its been 8 months and i just cant get a single 4 star fc even though i know i have more than enough of the skill
my consistency just does not improve no matter how much i try and play more
i feel like some sessions i got better aim or tapping but it lasts like a week and after that i get worse again its like my skill somehow reset its just stuck in this range i cannot get to 6 star level or get a 5-4 star fc neither build any consistency and watching my friend surpass me who just started recently makes me so sad and i just dont know what to do ive tried a shit ton of changes and trainings nothing is helping
its like you im hardstuck as well
take a one month break. Trust me. Find another game to play for the time being. Finding something else to do and focus on than osu is very important during this break because you dont want your thoughts being about osu for the entire month. Good luck if you try this :)
Man this is so relatable. My skill has been degrading so much recently until i started watching ur videos...I do small practice maps everyday and i can say that it really helps...I take some time to rest, and the next day i will be a little bit better...the thing that i still need to get over is my problem where i always try to aim by myself instead of letting my brain take over. I really struggle with that problem... hopefully u can make a in depth video in the future about it.
One of the things that helped my own mindset the most was kind of like, recalibrating what my idea of my skill level is.
Most players develop a habit of forming an idea of their skill level around what maps are "farmable" and able to give you pp, but the pp system is designed to push your limits, not act inside them.
But what is pushing your limits is exactly not what your current skill level actually is.
What's a better indicator of skill isn't what's difficult for you and the scores that you are capable of pushing, but rather what's easy for you and what scores you are capable of guaranteeing.
Basically, you haven't proven you are capable of an FC until you have actually FCed it, so don't make your idea of skill around a bunch of maps that are "FCable" in your head but you actually haven't yet.
I started a personal goal for myself of picking a relatively comfortable difficulty level and FCing literally every map I have in that difficulty category, rather than playing for pp.
This has helped my consistency and mindset a lot, I have a very accurate idea now of what I am actually capable of and also what skills and patterns I need to improve on, and at the same time you will improve before you know it when taking this kind of approach. Then when you feel confident or in tip top shape you can push for scores that are beyond your fundamental limits.
This method also let's you practice everything, whereas pp farming usually lends itself to focusing on what you're best at and gives you a very narrow range of maps you end up playing.
And since I make progress every session on my goal of FCing everything, it's a lot less frustrating than spending hours every day and only making progress when I am in beyond perfect condition.
I have the same mindset but with acc (since you can technically FC with shitty acc). Right now my goal is to at least 95% acc or S rank 10 maps within a certain local star range (say, 4.11-4.2). It’s an arbitrary number, 10 maps, but in my mind it also reinforces the idea that these kinds of passes aren’t flukes, and that my skill is actually good.
I also prefer acc over FC because it eliminates Sudden Death nerves. If I miss one I don’t feel the irritating obligation to retry the map. I can try to make up for it with great acc. And needless to say, the higher the acc, the more likely you are to FC.
I actually journal my osu! improvement on my profile: osu.ppy.sh/users/26601370
@@marquisewilliams3904 star ratings are still a very inaccurate/loose rating of the difficulty of maps, it's better to simply gauge how good you are at specific skills based on how well you do on maps that stress those skills
@Name While there is some truth to star system inaccuracies, I still find it a decent way to gradually build up the difficulty ladder. It’s also a lot easier/more fun to keep track of than grinding specific skill sets. To me osu! is just a fun little hobby, not my whole life, and my system’s been working for me so far. Of course it may not for everyone 🙂
@@marquisewilliams3904 i used to use a system similar to yours where i played maps within a specific star range, but i stopped because of inconsistent results due to some maps being way harder than others despite the same star rating
@@descai10 I should clerify (it's my fault really). I didn't mean to say the focusing on weak skillsets isn't important. I do that all the time when I play multi lobbies. But for me I find the star metric to be a useful guide to see "how far I am" in the game. I know it's not the most accurate representation but it's a metric I use.
sleeping sucks, i wake up multiple times every night and it feels like i sleep for only 2 or 3 hours before waking up again and I have to just put up with it and go back to sleep again and again until it's 7am - 9am
I rly gotta take a break, I've gone from streaming 180 to losing stamina at 150
I started playing last month and I've practiced for hours every day with the exception of when my left hand started to hurt. Hyperfixating isn't new to me but I do feel like I'm starting to exhaust myself and overcomplicate things (I'm not getting worse, but I'm starting to hit a skill wall).
I just love it though, I've tried doing other things but I feel like an entire galaxy's been opened for me.
Thanks for the reminders and tips!
I recently took a break for about a week and after a break I always have to get back into the right mindset but then I play better then ever. I try to take breaks when I notice that I am not playing as well as I could or if I am having less fun then normal. Also I try to switch it up evertime I load up the game. Sometimes I just play multi lobbies for 2 hours, or a 20 minute map I know I won't fc or even pass with no-fail. And perhaps the next day DT farm or some HDHR plays.
Hey I saw you on the osu Florida team!! Nice to see one of my favorite osu creators on team Florida!
honestly i just think that its because sometimes you improve very fast so when you improve slower you feel like you are getting worse. Its a case of your mindset fucking you up and honestly the only way i started to improve again was when i stopped caring about improving and just played for fun until i eventually get very fast improvement again, then the never ending cycle repeats itself.
My mindset is that if im having a bad day then im just practicing to improve my bad days so that the next bad session won't be as bad as this bad session
based + same, I take my bad days as "practice days" and not push for scores but for overall long term improvement
this is exactly what im going through rn, havent had a good session in months
What are you trying to go for in these sessions? Are you only trying to get scores, or are you also just playing for fun? Are you playing maps that improve your all over skill or a skill you struggle with?
tbh when i first started feeling this way, i just ended up not pushing for any scores and just went screw it imma just play the game for fun, before i knew it 4 star FCs went from being unattainable to somewhat doable if i push hard enough
I am gradually getting worse because I can't play for 3-6 weeks cause I hurt my forearm tendons :(
Same here, I haven’t been able to play for over 2 months now :(
Lmao same
Genuinely a huge fear of mine
I try so hard to push tapping speed and stamina and aim speed and distance but also try to not over exert myself. Injury is a huge concern of mine
@@Stuugie. strain is good pain bad
i can't play for 2 weeks before because i can't feel my right hand when i try to practice some jumps map thanks to my heavy and bulky mouse lol...
How tf did you know i was going thru this??? are you stalking me
cuz its a universal thing like he said lol
Mt flow aim and just general aim was extemely bad so i would grind it nonstop for hours and felt i got way worse than i was before even. Relaxing and thinking made me get out of the curve
can you add a gameplay in background while you talk in future? just a suggestion
thinking about it, I reckon it would be at least a bit distracting, since in these types of videos I usually hyperfocus onto the words and the information that is being said, while mostly blankly staring at the screen. I actually didn't notice that 90% of the video is the main menu screen until you pointed it out.
@@plasmodius9449 i get your point, but my attention span on a video that has nothing on background would make me click video away even the information he gives is important. Adding something like gameplay doesn't hurt the video, it make me more focus on the video and listen what habib trying to say.
i ALWAYS stop playing if i feel slight burnout. one really nice thing about this game is that you can quit whenever you want (unless you're in a tournament setting) so i really do take advantage of that. i've been on a huge break and haven't touched osu nearly as much yet i've been setting a lot of really nice no mod plays (i suck at no mod as i am most comfortable with HR) and have had high 200pp to 300pp chokes, keep in mind i'm only rank 80k. specifically for the people that put in a lot of hours and feel like what they're doing isn't working, i think the best thing you could do is take a long break to reset any bad habits you've built from over playing. when you are done with your break i think it's important to practice specific skills you're fundamentally lacking in.
Ive suddenly and i mean suddenly been plummeting in rankings and shit. like the past 2 months it was like oh Im basically playing 4 stars and getting like top 25 about and now im not even scratching it like scores 100s of ranks lower and I am missing the simplest shit that wasnt even a challenge at any point. No amount of rest, taking a break to play other games for a while, or changing my "mindset" helps whatsoever. I didnt start really caring about my scores until they started plummeting since this was kinda fun but now its enraging seeing my old scores taunt me showing that ill never reach them again.
Taking breaks helps a lot. I was on a "skill cap", i was playing for an entire month and didnt improve at anything, so i took a break for like 2weeks and when i came back, i played for just 1week and improved a lot (that was 1yr ago btw)
How is this posted only minutes after I thought about this!?
can relate, i don't seem to improve as fast as i used to
That’s what happens when you play games bro
@@Hmm-kj3fj yes
Yup, used to be top 1k in osu mania in US and like 6800-ish worldwide. After 133 hours the game gets boring and all of my top pp plays are from quarantine when I had time. It’s a continuous cycle I see with almost any rhythm game, you lose interest and gradually get worse.
happened to me before, my stamina went down so much when i keep staying up until 3:00 AM i took a break from osu 1-2 day and its getting better
What do you think about my schedule each week? Cuz recently i started trying to focus more on having fun and playing the game when i feel freshen up and take breaks when i feel physically/mentally tired and usually these breaks take around 1-3 days
i only slept for 3-5 hours for the past 3 days and now i cant even stream 180 BPM lol
Wait me too lol i just cant click fast now i think thats why i feel so tired
@@aeternum4691 same
When I try to click fast , my fingers kinda lock and I just run out of stamina in a few seconds.
I think that's the consequences of not sleeping ; (
Your CNS has not recovered properly due to lack of sleep, everything you do exhausts your CNS so your motor functions slow down drastically.
I have been slowly improving. I have reached the 5 digits now and I'm happy where I am at now. I'm mentally prepping myself to start learning AR11, it's gonna be hard.
no need to learn ar11 if you're 5 digit, you should focus on others things.
@@SipCyanide agreed
I don't play osu but I do play project sekai, this happend to me like 2 days ago, i suddenly got so worse at the game I was shocked myself. After this video maybe you're right its probably about sleep, i actually kept playing till like 1am at night, my eyes were literally really red and I was tearing up, later that day I woke up at 6am, yeah probably its sleep, thanks for the advice, i'll get some good sleep.
We need digitalhypno to make a podcast omfg
he already has, and this video is basically a podcast
@@lordofcows8529 where tf Is the podcast tell me rn
This is very true sometimes I gotta take maybe a day break from Osu
When I saw that thumbnail I thought you were randomly chosing my profile to explain this - I'm barely 200 ranks off with the exact same graph, confused me for a moment
why is my rating behind? is this a thing thats wrong for me, or is it for everyone? Because it says i am lvl 6, when im lvl 18, it says i've played the game for 19 minutes, when i've spent hours playing, it says i have no As or Ss when i do, it says my maximum combo is in the 100s, when its actually in the 1000s, and it says im getting worse, but i've definitely seen major improvements.
Is this a problem on my end, or with the rating system?
after further examination, i have learned that my rating may be of regular osu, not mania, but i dont know how to get to my mania ratings
I FIGURED IT OUT, its still a bit behind, my max combo is in the 700s, and i dont have any Ss, but i'll just wait i guess to see if it catches up tomorrow
For me its a decline in will to do anything i just wanna sleep
I know sleep, diet and all matters but i'm trying to understand why am i getting home after 16 hour shift and playing better then after good rest. For example tomorrow i set my second highest pp play on save me. Could it be cuz i'm tired but relaxed and not nervous after work?
oh god since the day i downloaded osu i think theres like a total of 10 days that i did not spent at least 2 hours playing thats pretty bad when i look back on it now
played this game for an entire year non stop lol
So in started working a job which is 9hrs per day minimum and probably more most of the time. Way there and back home another 2-3hrs. Its also exhausting... so I guess I have to say goodbye to osu
"this relates to getting proper sleep"
well, think ive found the culprit.
but then whats with 3am buff?
When i dont have a good night, i dont even touch the game since i know i'll play badly.
Well said!
nice video
Thankfully this isnt happening to me anymore at the moment anyway,
mainly because im playing high bpm, techy, and long af (4-5min+) and loads but i still rest.
Studying before bed can help you with results, so ive applied that to osu!,i also play in the morning with the highest energy of the day.
So i play in the morning and before i go bed, in the morning i focus on dt and high bpm and high ar,
at night i focus on lower star maps and higher cs maps or higher od maps,
i only play pp maps once every week kinda
Simply Loading long maps with cs 6.2 and speed 1.3x in mcosu is the ultimate way tho tbh lol
cool i havent reached that point yet
It’s not even the fact that I have a gud mindset I’ve reset my mindset everyday for osu took break thought of many ways to do it and I get the same result of I can’t fc anything so I’m still searching for the problem
It would be amazing if whitecat would do discussion videos like this one, gives us a lot more insight into how he thinks about the game, maybe something he says will help some of us.
Many times the most talented players are the worst teachers, if you wanna learn about improving skill and ability/strength look to the people that dedicate to that like weightlifting programming coaches or any other sport
@@daniel1RM that is true. being a top player means playing the game as an instinct, it's all natural to you, you don't have a routine, nor a training regiment, you're just.. good at it. And that makes it impossible to explain to someone. What I meant in my post was about the mental part of it. Getting good takes time, but you need to spend your time in a good way.
@@flo7096 It doesnt come natural they worked for what they got
@@gamer_mango3572 after you work hard and get good enough it becomes second nature to you. That's what natural means. Not that they were good from the start
@@flo7096 The definition of natural is a person regarded as having an innate gift or talent for a particular task or activity not that's its second nature that would be what you said second nature
its sorta like working out but mentally
bro, my bad days is whole month, im staying for 28 days in one rank
"Trust your training"
my games and youtube, andy every other site that goes fullscreen my screen almost dims to complete blackness, and its really annoying, so i took a break from osu, i really want to play but i literally cant
play windowed
those sound like something related to gpu driver, try to update them to the lasted driver from the manuafactured website and check
maybe try turning off hdr if u have it on
What if you feel like you're getting better? how do you fix this issue?
play more
i know this question is going to sound stupid, specially because i'm a year late but, i'm having this exact problem and it's probably because i haven't played every single day like i used to, but now that i'm trying to come back a little more efficiently, i wanted to ask. should my pauses / breaks be 10 minutes, 30 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours? and should they be completely away from devices and doing something like eating or exercising, or not doing anything at all, just sitting around. or can they be in devices, just not playing anything / playing a different game? (i hope this made sense)
I understand what you mean with this question, and I've looked into this quite a bit myself. I think it's completely up to you, there's no "scientifically" or "objectively" best way / length to rest. as long as you're not pushing yourself too hard and practicing regularly (and even some extended breaks can be okay if you think you need them), you should be just fine. just take some time to experiment with yourself and see where your limits are (except don't injure yourself) and what works best for you
@@honmi well that clears my doubts alot actually, thank you, i had no idea on how my breaks should be so this kinda made me have an idea of what i should do.
Banger video
finally, an osu! video for me
Maybe osu players will start taking showers now, but only for the sake of improvement
I mean taking showers does feel good, and what happens when you feel good? good mindset boom ez top play (definitely not a shower propaganda)
yall need to do sports or lifting, this talk is talked in every sport. How to do programming how to train skill. Basically strength=programming and skill=practice
I cant even fc shitty farm jump maps anymore :/
sleep and resting is a huge impact on my experience. I slept
This is interesting..
I had this one day where I had 200pp back to back and gaining 1000+ ranks then after that, I just sucked, it was a great day, then it became bad, Im demotivated to play the game for almost a week but i still play the game, just not getting good scores or plays, I'll wait 'till I get my good days, I'm trying to play less this week because of the bad days.
That's the exact same experience I had yesterday lol, I'm definitely taking it easy for a few days too yeah
how are you reading my mind
If I play every day but only for 3 hours, do I still need days off?
if you don't feel burnout or feel dissatisfied with the way you play, then it's fine. and if you play for 3 hours a day there should plenty of time in-between your sessions, so I'd say you're good.
this is the only merit in having strict parents
they make u stop playing if u didnt know
i have been playing osu mania [4k] for almost 4 years and i have been stopped by a wall which made me demotivated
i lost a lot of skill because i barely played and couldnt beat my old scores
until i came back like 5 months ago and now i can beat most of my old scores and set 2x 400 pp plays which i had trouble with
so i smashed the wall i have been stopped by and got to 4 digit. :D
now i play for fun most of the time and dont really care about my rank
every now and then ofc i will get some 350pp+ plays every now and then because who cant accept free pp?
every mania player reaches a point where they stop caring about pp and rank and just play for fun or actually improve their skillsets haha
As a player with over 12 days of playtime and still sitting at 500k++ with an only 98 pp play. I need this.
12 days is not much at all chill dude
@@randymarsh4748 yeah thats somewhat normal, hes probably not pushing himself or pushing himself way too hard, that's the usual pitfall newer players get into and then can't figure out why they can't improve
You got this man
@@vTigerx 12 days for 500k is actually quite a lot imo, but everyone learns and improves at their own pace
@@randymarsh4748 All of the players I have stalked literally only had 3 days of playtime nearing my range. So it's not too bad? I'm glad and relieved.
Am i the only one that sees the circles going slower after taking at least 5 days break
I've been hardstuck 36K - 37K for the past 6-8 months.
I no longer play this game anymore, I lost my two 300s after rework and have not gotten a 300
i just shitmiss and I just end up hitting my skill potential
Brooooo me to same rank as well lmao but I stop playing due to rsi
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I don't get gradually worse only better but good job on making the video
i’ve been rank 80k for multiple months, it’s pissing me off
switch to left hand
That easy for white cat to say. He's a top player my guy
man f this game pp rework removed my only 200s and ive been hard stuck 160k with 7 day playtime i only find this game as a chore now and not fun time to quit
You should do a colab with whitecat
i was just thinking about this lol
As im writing this, am Rank 111k, over 1k hours of playtime, and 32k ish playcount (Yes, i dont retry much at all).....enough said.
yeah it's really better to turn off your brain when you're trying to fc something. Fun fact. When people fc something or hitting patterns that seems almost impossible for your current skill level, some players say "what the f*ck did I just do", "How did I do this", or anything that you felt surprised. That's you turning off your brain and letting the brain do it's thing. That's where most top players get their what people call it "clips". It really shows that when you trust your brain, you can really surpass the usual skill level you're on
Everyone is good in osu. It's just that specific type of mindset is preventing you to become one.
Osu is a lifestyle at this point lol
A little unrelated but any tips on improving single tapping? I can stream 250-260 with decent acc after practicing my technique but I can't seem to find any alternate ways to single tap. Single tapping is stuck at 210 and even then thats kind of uncomfortable and I run out of stamina.
Me: dont have an internet but decent at the game and not knowing my rank
How are you watching this then? Lol
nah like i don’t play for a week and i get insanely worse
Jokes on you!!! The day I popped off and went from 71k to 64k, I hadn't showered for three days!!! Haha!!!
if ur getting bad ur bad
I'm not getting worse I just can't rank up
New idea of getting better, play healthier not more.
play less = gain more
Im not so im not watching! MINDSET
i havent gained pp in almost 2 years
Osu!
Because bro
Be like me and use osu for warmups only kekw
hi habib
hey
boost
UwU
First!!
Also it’s like 6 am for me so I’ll watch this video later also hi Habib you’re epic!!!
no one cares
@@gamingrat5653 you obviously care enough to reply
@@gamingrat5653 Be quiet roblox kid
@@gamingrat5653 I care 🗿
simple. skill issue + ratio PepeHands