It would be a mistake to assume that this only happens in Russia, though in some countries lay people may be more vocal about what is going on among their bishops.
Filaret Denisenko is an interesting example by the way. By the mid-1950s he was apparently the rising star in the Russian Orthodox Church, and from 1966 onwards was Metropolitan of Kiev, de facto the head of the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine, which in the Brezhnev era had over half of all Orthodox parishes in the USSR. He was fanatically pro-Soviet and only changed course in the late-1980s and early-1990s when, failing to become Patriarch of Moscow, he decided to install himself as Patriarch in Ukraine and try to cover up his pro-Soviet past. He is still alive today, playing as "Patriarch of Kiev and All Rus" from his single cathedral in Kiev where a few priests and deacons acclaim him as Patriarch, but it seems most people in Russia and Ukraine regard him as a joke.
In a way it is not different than any other organization. I was in a police force and some people went up quick, others did not or did not want to. Some had connections, some were well educated, some were people with good skills such as networking. There are so many factors. Yes, some were corrupt, but not many. I do not think that the church is much different. I know of some priests who are happy being priests all their lives in country parishes. They do not want to be bishops in cities.
@@russianchristianityCIA has been reported to infiltrate Evangelical protestant foreign missions in order to influence Latin American politics. The magazine “Christianity Today” did an article on it about 20 years ago. This doesn’t mean those organizations were a mafia, but that missions groups were infiltrated and used. It happens. There were “false Apostles” amongst the real ones reported even within the pages of the New Testament. The devil has no new tricks.
Yes, I'm not saying bishops are the Mafia, I'm saying they are a secret society resembling Mafia. Naturally, their main cause is serving God and what I emphasize in the video are deviations from that
@@russianchristianityIt is all too sad. Having been persecuted by the communists, they could have been a holy group of monks totally centred on Christ , but that is not the case.
@@stephanottawa7890 Sadly, it's never the case with such powerful and enormous institutions. However, there obviously are Christ-centered people in the Church, and a lot of them
has the Russian Orthodox Church ever repented and confessed the great sins that happened during the revolution when Communism came to power and a false Orthodox church was put in place and hundreds of thousands of clergy and monastics and regular Orthodox believers were murdered because they did not accept this artificial replacement? In those years the church was mostly KGB in its clergy? just wondering do you think it is the same to this day?
The Church positions itself as the persecuted one. Which is part true. Initially, the Church was much persecuted and by the 1940s almost destroyed. To be reestablished in the mid 1940s under the state control
The true and only head of the Orthoxdox Church is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I am Orthodox, and I say that if you want to find the True Church, look at Jesus whovwas persecuted by the world. Jesus said clearly "If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you" when talking to His true followers. Orthodox Churches that are persecuted or that suffer in today’s sinful world are the True Church. Look at Saint Nektarios, who was unjustly persecuted by the Patriarch of Alexandria and by clergy in Greece. Real priests and monks guide and teach what is correct and true, irrespective of bishops. Jesus also said of religious leaders that we are to listen to what they say that is true but not to follow their example if it is wrong. I paraphrased Jesus' words for simplicity, but that is the core meaning of Our Lord's guidance. The Church is the entire body of Christ, NOT any group of bishops. That said, we need to respect our bishops, but we must struggle to follow Christ correctly. Having a good spiritual father is important in our struggle so that we avoid becoming dellusional about our goodness or our ideas that are not consistent with the correct interpretation of the Holy Bible and Holy Tradition as handed down through the Apostles and their successors. Orthodox that are not carrying their cross because they are too worldly need to get back on the narrow path. That is easy to say but hard to do, and I focus on realizing that I must think of myself as the worst sinner and continually repent to avoid falling into dellusion. Satan has had eons to develop an arsenal of weapons against us, and our onky hope is Jesus. This is why I think the Jesus Prayer is so powerful. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit Our God one in essence is above all else. Bishops need to serve God in truth, or they will pay the most severe price for their errors. Maybe we should be praing for them continually.
nice video! also, the situation with the episcopacy is the same in Romania unfortunately. this much corruption is not definitory of our beloved Orthodox faith😢 🇷🇴❤🇷🇺
@@russianchristianity Stop lying man, come on. You want accountability by calling the whole ecclesiastical structure of a church mafia? I don't think you are qualified to be making such statements my friend, because these comments sound like they are coming from a non-orthodox Christian. I can see yr lack of understanding just from the response you gave me. I will warn you, Christianity is not a play thing. If you do not cease your blaspheme, you will surely learn what it truly means to be accountable. Some crimes are not answerable to men but to God. And if you can't speak or criticize respectfully what you do not prefer, then don't speak about it. You have a whole channel, you do not need to be told how to behave now. So, please criticize but have manners, you're grown.
You don't have to mentor me on manners, I'm a grown man. And if you were attentive to details, you'd hear that I don't call them mafia, rather I compare them. And there are good reasons
Дядь это конечно всё правда, но зачем ты акцентируешь на этом внимание? Уже не первый раз замечаю за тобой провокационные ролики. Ты работаешь на кого то? Если да, то ты работаешь на такую же мафию, только с другой стороны баррикады.
Я акцентирую внимание исключительно на том, что мне самому интересно. А по поводу того, на какую мафию я работаю, это интересно. На какую? А то меня уже обвиняли, что я работаю на Украину, США, Россию, НАТО, ЕУ и только что не на Сатану. Где же мои деньги?
@@russianchristianity вопрос не где твои деньги а где твоя совесть. зачем ты выставляешь Церковь в неприглядном свете для тех, кто не знаком с ней поближе? Ты позиционируешь свой канал как для иностранцев ничего не знающих о Церкви, и выставляешь напоказ вещи которые нельзя выставлять для неподготовленного человека, тем самым ты отворачиваешь людей от Церкви. Дядя ты не прав.
@@AleksandrOsadchy97 Дружище, я выставляю церковь со всех сторон, как приглядных, так и неприглядных. Ты просто не все видео смотрел. Я говорю о том, что вижу своими глазами или о чем рассказывают мои коллеги-специалисты. Поэтому с моей совестью все в полном порядке.
@russianchristianity. Educate yourself! Study organisational theory at university level and you will see that a lot of organisations around the world, both good and bad, are structured this way. It's called hierarchy. An hierarchical structure tells you absolutely nothing about whether the organisation is good or bad. It's what the organisation do that makes all the difference.
It would be a mistake to assume that this only happens in Russia, though in some countries lay people may be more vocal about what is going on among their bishops.
I agree. Catholics are probably even more secretive and secluded
Filaret Denisenko is an interesting example by the way. By the mid-1950s he was apparently the rising star in the Russian Orthodox Church, and from 1966 onwards was Metropolitan of Kiev, de facto the head of the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine, which in the Brezhnev era had over half of all Orthodox parishes in the USSR. He was fanatically pro-Soviet and only changed course in the late-1980s and early-1990s when, failing to become Patriarch of Moscow, he decided to install himself as Patriarch in Ukraine and try to cover up his pro-Soviet past. He is still alive today, playing as "Patriarch of Kiev and All Rus" from his single cathedral in Kiev where a few priests and deacons acclaim him as Patriarch, but it seems most people in Russia and Ukraine regard him as a joke.
Sure, I have a video about him: ruclips.net/video/BnJBJf1jkmc/видео.html
In a way it is not different than any other organization. I was in a police force and some people went up quick, others did not or did not want to. Some had connections, some were well educated, some were people with good skills such as networking. There are so many factors. Yes, some were corrupt, but not many. I do not think that the church is much different. I know of some priests who are happy being priests all their lives in country parishes. They do not want to be bishops in cities.
interesting. I guess, it's more so in some sort of an intelligence service, like CIA or FBI
@@russianchristianityCIA has been reported to infiltrate Evangelical protestant foreign missions in order to influence Latin American politics. The magazine “Christianity Today” did an article on it about 20 years ago. This doesn’t mean those organizations were a mafia, but that missions groups were infiltrated and used. It happens. There were “false Apostles” amongst the real ones reported even within the pages of the New Testament. The devil has no new tricks.
Yes, I'm not saying bishops are the Mafia, I'm saying they are a secret society resembling Mafia. Naturally, their main cause is serving God and what I emphasize in the video are deviations from that
@@russianchristianityIt is all too sad. Having been persecuted by the communists, they could have been a holy group of monks totally centred on Christ , but that is not the case.
@@stephanottawa7890 Sadly, it's never the case with such powerful and enormous institutions. However, there obviously are Christ-centered people in the Church, and a lot of them
loaded video,
Huh?
has the Russian Orthodox Church ever repented and confessed the great sins that happened during the revolution when Communism came to power and a false Orthodox church was put in place and hundreds of thousands of clergy and monastics and regular Orthodox believers were murdered because they did not accept this artificial replacement? In those years the church was mostly KGB in its clergy? just wondering do you think it is the same to this day?
The Church positions itself as the persecuted one. Which is part true. Initially, the Church was much persecuted and by the 1940s almost destroyed. To be reestablished in the mid 1940s under the state control
The true and only head of the Orthoxdox Church is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I am Orthodox, and I say that if you want to find the True Church, look at Jesus whovwas persecuted by the world. Jesus said clearly "If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you" when talking to His true followers. Orthodox Churches that are persecuted or that suffer in today’s sinful world are the True Church. Look at Saint Nektarios, who was unjustly persecuted by the Patriarch of Alexandria and by clergy in Greece. Real priests and monks guide and teach what is correct and true, irrespective of bishops. Jesus also said of religious leaders that we are to listen to what they say that is true but not to follow their example if it is wrong. I paraphrased Jesus' words for simplicity, but that is the core meaning of Our Lord's guidance. The Church is the entire body of Christ, NOT any group of bishops. That said, we need to respect our bishops, but we must struggle to follow Christ correctly. Having a good spiritual father is important in our struggle so that we avoid becoming dellusional about our goodness or our ideas that are not consistent with the correct interpretation of the Holy Bible and Holy Tradition as handed down through the Apostles and their successors. Orthodox that are not carrying their cross because they are too worldly need to get back on the narrow path. That is easy to say but hard to do, and I focus on realizing that I must think of myself as the worst sinner and continually repent to avoid falling into dellusion. Satan has had eons to develop an arsenal of weapons against us, and our onky hope is Jesus. This is why I think the Jesus Prayer is so powerful. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit Our God one in essence is above all else. Bishops need to serve God in truth, or they will pay the most severe price for their errors. Maybe we should be praing for them continually.
nice video!
also, the situation with the episcopacy is the same in Romania unfortunately. this much corruption is not definitory of our beloved Orthodox faith😢
🇷🇴❤🇷🇺
Similar to the Catholic Church's internal modus operandi. He who loves The Church spares not the ferula.
yes, sure. There are lots of similarities
I just found your channel and have found your videos interesting. What religion do you belong to, if any?
Thanks. I don't belong to any
A mafia? really? what blasphemy! There is no such comparison, you just hate authority.
I don't hate authority. I just prefer authority with accountability
@@russianchristianity Stop lying man, come on. You want accountability by calling the whole ecclesiastical structure of a church mafia? I don't think you are qualified to be making such statements my friend, because these comments sound like they are coming from a non-orthodox Christian. I can see yr lack of understanding just from the response you gave me. I will warn you, Christianity is not a play thing. If you do not cease your blaspheme, you will surely learn what it truly means to be accountable. Some crimes are not answerable to men but to God. And if you can't speak or criticize respectfully what you do not prefer, then don't speak about it. You have a whole channel, you do not need to be told how to behave now. So, please criticize but have manners, you're grown.
You don't have to mentor me on manners, I'm a grown man. And if you were attentive to details, you'd hear that I don't call them mafia, rather I compare them. And there are good reasons
The mafia (or ndrangheta or camorra) is dealing with drugs, does blackmailing und is killing people ... Is that comparable to Russian bishop system?
@morambasi I think he's talking how it's structured, but I don't think it's a good comparison.
Дядь это конечно всё правда, но зачем ты акцентируешь на этом внимание? Уже не первый раз замечаю за тобой провокационные ролики. Ты работаешь на кого то? Если да, то ты работаешь на такую же мафию, только с другой стороны баррикады.
Я акцентирую внимание исключительно на том, что мне самому интересно. А по поводу того, на какую мафию я работаю, это интересно. На какую?
А то меня уже обвиняли, что я работаю на Украину, США, Россию, НАТО, ЕУ и только что не на Сатану. Где же мои деньги?
@@russianchristianity вопрос не где твои деньги а где твоя совесть. зачем ты выставляешь Церковь в неприглядном свете для тех, кто не знаком с ней поближе? Ты позиционируешь свой канал как для иностранцев ничего не знающих о Церкви, и выставляешь напоказ вещи которые нельзя выставлять для неподготовленного человека, тем самым ты отворачиваешь людей от Церкви. Дядя ты не прав.
@@AleksandrOsadchy97 Дружище, я выставляю церковь со всех сторон, как приглядных, так и неприглядных. Ты просто не все видео смотрел.
Я говорю о том, что вижу своими глазами или о чем рассказывают мои коллеги-специалисты. Поэтому с моей совестью все в полном порядке.
What is bad about provocation? If you have truth on your side you should have nothing to fear. If!
@@samuelbcn правда в том что показывать такое неподготовленному нельзя.
Lol, what a great like dislike ratio
It's currently 76/14. I don't think you can see dislikes
Mafia comparison is click bate. As for promotions, not every monk is talented enough to lead, those gifted are allowed take higher ministry.
Not every monk is, but when someone is made a hegumen without any experience of living in a monastery, it still looks suspicious, isn't it?
@russianchristianity. Educate yourself! Study organisational theory at university level and you will see that a lot of organisations around the world, both good and bad, are structured this way. It's called hierarchy. An hierarchical structure tells you absolutely nothing about whether the organisation is good or bad. It's what the organisation do that makes all the difference.
@@internet-user22 you’re repeating yourself