My Last KTM was a 2018.5 FE and i tested this conversion and its better than air. But the best Bang for your buck and advice i,d give anyone is the KYB swap. it literally gives you the best part of the yamaha without the worst parts. Most privateers run this. Evo suspension of plainview Tx has deals on this swap currently with your tubes KYB internals and technical touch lowers.
What up Braden, thanks for the comment. I came across the KYB component swap option during my search to get these forks working better. It does seem like a great option and really get's you up to par with the current bikes with better suspension. I haven't ridden a bike with that conversion yet but have ridden plenty of Yamaha's that are always plush and comfy. - Wes
I know that I'm way outside of the average rider at 6'2" and 330 lbs but I love my 2018 TX 300's air forks I run 180-185 psi for the track and 173 for offroad with the compression at 18 clicks out I am blown away with how plush they are. rocks, tree roots don't even feel them. I rode Yamaha's forever so I do know what good forks feel like. Different forks for different folks i guess
Glad to hear that you found some setting that you like. I know plenty of people that are running the stock air fork setup and have found the right setup for them. I know others that have fixed their problems with a re-valve and love it! And you're spot on with the Yamaha standard! Their bikes come setup right off the showroom floor feeling so good! Thanks for the comment. - Wes
It's amazing how much better this generation of KTM looks with orange plastics and not the white. Sounds like a good kit and I'll keep it in mind for my new 2019 450F/380SX conversion project. One correction though, adjusting pressure does not change spring rate, it changes preload.
@@letsdroneit7060 nope, do the math and plot it. Air pressure only changes preload. You have to add/subtract final volume (compression ratio) to change spring rate.
Yes, I did (.92kg spring). A rider at 155lbs racing intermediate motocross. I do ride a lot of off-road as well and with an off-road specific setup Race Tech wanted to bump me down to an .88kg spring rate. I wanted to try the .92 and see how it felt. So far so good! The bike just feels good everywhere and with a few clicker adjustments you can get dialed in quick. Let me know if you have other questions. - Wes
@@rmatvmc So it sounds like you went one above recommended. Local suspension guy went with 1.0 for me and 5.4 in the rear, it's hard to believe that I'd have to jump up four spring rates from stock. Race Tech called for 5.4 and .92 for my 205lb, desert, novice (if I'm honest with myself). The shock is magic with that spring and revalve! The fork is a little stiff, have to open up 22 clicks to get some travel out of it, but down to 18 clicks the couple times I hit the track and slow down the rebound a bit. Thanks for the reply! I think this confirms I'll split the difference at .96 after I get more hours in. Because that .04 is going to magically make me SO much faster! Couple that with some new gear from Rocky Mountain and my novice days are long gone.
@@ljm8673 Nice! Which bike are you riding? Are you bottoming out the forks ever? If you're using all of the travel and bottoming occasionally I would stick with what you got. The faster you get the more you're going to need the holdup of the stiffer spring. I stuck a small zip tie on my know so I knew each ride how much of the travel I was using. It could help you get it dialed in. Did you re-valve the forks as well? Sounds like some solid logic! If you look good you feel good, if you feel good you ride good. New gear is always fun! Which set are you looking at? - Wes
@@rmatvmc I got a '17 Husqvarna FX 450. The forks got revalved also. I'm not bottoming in the desert, where I mostly ride, using maybe 2/3rds. The two times I took it to the track it would bottom and had to increase compression and they work great. I never was able to get the AER to balance well with the rear and increased pressure would bring in a lot of harshness. I'd recommend the spring conversion to everyone, at least the '17 model, I never rode an '18 or above. Lol, the gear was more of a joke. Not to say that it isn't solid logic though! Instantly faster. I've been eyeballing the Klim Mojave vivid blue.
I just had this done, asked for more stiffer valving and everything....and after really pushing it today in all types of terrain and doing a lot of jumping, man the forks bottom out SUPER EASY on even the smallest of jumps now. When they were air they never did that. Thinking I made a bad move.
One of the attributes/benefits of an air fork is that they really ramp up when you get to the bottom of the stroke and help prevent bottoming. If you're bottoming out too easy, a couple things you can check out are 1. Are your spring rates correct? 2. Try adding 15-20mm of oil to your outer chamber, the more oil in your fork, adding fork oil will help with bottoming. - Chase
@@rmatvmcso I finally got around to adding 20 ml of extra oil. It made no difference though. Should I keep adding more until I notice a difference or can I reach the point where I add too much and it risks damaging the fork? Thanks
That moment when you want to say that WP AER forks are kinda shit and that it's a moneymaker for WP, but you can't, so you just say: "Do you see these air forks? Forget about that, get some spring on them"
Why would they do that? hasn't it been the same bike for like 15 years? You could probably pick one up for $900 and test it yourself then sell it for $1000.
It does't. The CV forks, (not the aer cone valves), and RT are two different things all together. Pricing point, what they do etc. I'm a huge RT fan and have their stuff on my bikes all the time but the CV are just flat out amazing.
@@0nEl0vE_3m I bought my CV for used in great shape for $2700...when I am done with them in a few yrs, I will be able to sell them for what I bought them for and put the $ towards something else..if you go the RT route, FC, etc, you hardly EVER get your money back off the sale of your bike. So the $1800 for the conversion stuff (which is great stuff), is hard to re-capture when you sell the bike.
My Last KTM was a 2018.5 FE and i tested this conversion and its better than air. But the best Bang for your buck and
advice i,d give anyone is the KYB swap. it literally gives you the best part of the yamaha without the worst parts. Most privateers run this.
Evo suspension of plainview Tx has deals on this swap currently with your tubes KYB internals and technical touch lowers.
What up Braden, thanks for the comment. I came across the KYB component swap option during my search to get these forks working better. It does seem like a great option and really get's you up to par with the current bikes with better suspension. I haven't ridden a bike with that conversion yet but have ridden plenty of Yamaha's that are always plush and comfy. - Wes
My cousin put KYB on his 2019 FC350. Ended up selling his YZ450F.
@@jpesicka492 I'm running KYB from Technical touch on my 23 KTM 450 set up By evo suspension here in DFW and I love it.
Suspension can get pretty convoluted. You did a great job explaining a complex topic. Thumbs up!
Thanks Tim, I appreciate the feedback. Happy riding! - Wes
I know that I'm way outside of the average rider at 6'2" and 330 lbs but I love my 2018 TX 300's air forks I run 180-185 psi for the track and 173 for offroad with the compression at 18 clicks out I am blown away with how plush they are. rocks, tree roots don't even feel them. I rode Yamaha's forever so I do know what good forks feel like. Different forks for different folks i guess
Glad to hear that you found some setting that you like. I know plenty of people that are running the stock air fork setup and have found the right setup for them. I know others that have fixed their problems with a re-valve and love it! And you're spot on with the Yamaha standard! Their bikes come setup right off the showroom floor feeling so good! Thanks for the comment. - Wes
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A plush tank for the air fork from Kreft Moto would have been a great comparison to this kit.
This is also how I feel about my AER fork.
It's amazing how much better this generation of KTM looks with orange plastics and not the white.
Sounds like a good kit and I'll keep it in mind for my new 2019 450F/380SX conversion project. One correction though, adjusting pressure does not change spring rate, it changes preload.
Air pressure is spring rate not pre load
@@letsdroneit7060 nope, do the math and plot it. Air pressure only changes preload. You have to add/subtract final volume (compression ratio) to change spring rate.
Did you stick with the recommended spring rates front and rear on the Race Tech website for the spring conversion?
Yes, I did (.92kg spring). A rider at 155lbs racing intermediate motocross. I do ride a lot of off-road as well and with an off-road specific setup Race Tech wanted to bump me down to an .88kg spring rate. I wanted to try the .92 and see how it felt. So far so good! The bike just feels good everywhere and with a few clicker adjustments you can get dialed in quick. Let me know if you have other questions. - Wes
@@rmatvmc So it sounds like you went one above recommended. Local suspension guy went with 1.0 for me and 5.4 in the rear, it's hard to believe that I'd have to jump up four spring rates from stock. Race Tech called for 5.4 and .92 for my 205lb, desert, novice (if I'm honest with myself). The shock is magic with that spring and revalve! The fork is a little stiff, have to open up 22 clicks to get some travel out of it, but down to 18 clicks the couple times I hit the track and slow down the rebound a bit. Thanks for the reply! I think this confirms I'll split the difference at .96 after I get more hours in. Because that .04 is going to magically make me SO much faster! Couple that with some new gear from Rocky Mountain and my novice days are long gone.
@@ljm8673 Nice! Which bike are you riding? Are you bottoming out the forks ever? If you're using all of the travel and bottoming occasionally I would stick with what you got. The faster you get the more you're going to need the holdup of the stiffer spring. I stuck a small zip tie on my know so I knew each ride how much of the travel I was using. It could help you get it dialed in. Did you re-valve the forks as well?
Sounds like some solid logic! If you look good you feel good, if you feel good you ride good. New gear is always fun! Which set are you looking at? - Wes
@@rmatvmc I got a '17 Husqvarna FX 450. The forks got revalved also. I'm not bottoming in the desert, where I mostly ride, using maybe 2/3rds. The two times I took it to the track it would bottom and had to increase compression and they work great. I never was able to get the AER to balance well with the rear and increased pressure would bring in a lot of harshness. I'd recommend the spring conversion to everyone, at least the '17 model, I never rode an '18 or above.
Lol, the gear was more of a joke. Not to say that it isn't solid logic though! Instantly faster. I've been eyeballing the Klim Mojave vivid blue.
Kreft with Revalve Control, go from the track to hard enduro without having to revalve your bike. They're in Utah, show them some love!!
How does this compare to a kyb internal conversion?
Did you do a spring conversion and a revalve? If you did, did you revalve the shock at the same time?
No revalve. Just did the spring conversion kit.
I just had this done, asked for more stiffer valving and everything....and after really pushing it today in all types of terrain and doing a lot of jumping, man the forks bottom out SUPER EASY on even the smallest of jumps now. When they were air they never did that. Thinking I made a bad move.
One of the attributes/benefits of an air fork is that they really ramp up when you get to the bottom of the stroke and help prevent bottoming. If you're bottoming out too easy, a couple things you can check out are 1. Are your spring rates correct? 2. Try adding 15-20mm of oil to your outer chamber, the more oil in your fork, adding fork oil will help with bottoming. - Chase
@@rmatvmc thanks for responding Chase. Can I do that just by using the syringe method in the air bleeder hole?
@@rmatvmcso I finally got around to adding 20 ml of extra oil. It made no difference though. Should I keep adding more until I notice a difference or can I reach the point where I add too much and it risks damaging the fork? Thanks
That moment when you want to say that WP AER forks are kinda shit and that it's a moneymaker for WP, but you can't, so you just say: "Do you see these air forks? Forget about that, get some spring on them"
You should do a review on RM 85
Why would they do that? hasn't it been the same bike for like 15 years? You could probably pick one up for $900 and test it yourself then sell it for $1000.
I'm from Pakistan I love ktm bike 450cc ❤
How does the race tech compare to wp cone valves?
It does't. The CV forks, (not the aer cone valves), and RT are two different things all together. Pricing point, what they do etc. I'm a huge RT fan and have their stuff on my bikes all the time but the CV are just flat out amazing.
@@themotocrossmodchannelWulfMX Cone Vales are also over $4000. Rather get a KYB full conversion for under $1800
@@0nEl0vE_3m I bought my CV for used in great shape for $2700...when I am done with them in a few yrs, I will be able to sell them for what I bought them for and put the $ towards something else..if you go the RT route, FC, etc, you hardly EVER get your money back off the sale of your bike. So the $1800 for the conversion stuff (which is great stuff), is hard to re-capture when you sell the bike.
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How is there one dislike lol
Those Lexx exhausts look rubbish