Do you have a theory about the Goddess of the Sand or the Arbiter's Grounds/Spirit Temple? Also. Thank you all, once again, for 2019. I can't say that enough. And I can't wait to see what 2020 holds. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
I don't really have any proof to make it a plausible theory. but considering how Ganon is kind of vengeful. I would imagine he would want destroy Arbiters ground himself. until it can be confirmed I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Calamity Gannon. or some of the many Mechs that he possessed destroyed Arbiter grounds.
The Gerudo themselves destroyed the Arbiter's Grounds, it was a place where many if not all of their race was banished/imprisoned/slaughtered there. The Gerudo then built the Seven Heroines in honour of all the great Gerudo they lost in the Hylian Royal family's purge.
I always just assumed it was covered in sand. That what we are seeing are the remains of the top of the temple, and the rest is still there. Just below your feet.
yeah great spirits where to do the thing right then freak out and do a kind dummy-move and the kingdom so teenager had to do it right and now years later still another teenager goes to do it right so epic horror and so epic funny too
I had a interesting thought: Remember how there's the spiral thing that you make rise up and then climb using the spinner just before the boss in Twilight Princess? What if the whole Arbiter's grounds can be made to rise or sink that way, and it's not destroyed but under the sand? That would fit with my theory that a lot of underground stuff will be central to BotW 2's theme. In that game's trailer, Link and Zelda are travelling underground. In the first BotW, there are big cracks all over Hyrule where powerful gusts of wind blast out of the earth. Where the heck are those coming from??? And of course, the Guardians and Divine Beasts were all buried using Sheikah technology. Add the idea of a buried Arbiter's Grounds to this.
Does anyone remember the Zuna from FSA? They were already in decline by the time of the game, but they appear to predate the Gerudo and were great builders (Ganon gets his signature trident from one of their pyramids). Makes me wonder perhaps all the ancient structures we see in the desert were built by them. Perhaps even the desert colossus. Perhaps they adopted the worship of the sand goddess, because they found references of her in the desert?
Theory: In the sequel, the Arbiter‘s Ground Ruins serve as a/become a traditional dungeon by rising up from underneath the sand or the sand flows away to uncover the underground entrance. AAAAAAAND this is were Link and Zelda will find the mummified body of Ganondorf, who is/was held prisoner at Arbiter‘s Ground.
@Akitsu no, botw is the converging of all of the timelines, making it the final game in the timeline. this means that arbiters grounds can exist as it is after twilight princess which also means that the rest of the landmarks in the game from previous titles can exist together
Personally I feel the answer is more simplistic but also a lot less satisfying. The temple is old, very old. I feel that it just got swallowed by the sand, its happened in real life so why not in BOTW as well.
How long are Hylian years though? It’s a completely made up universe so the way they count time may be wildly different than our 365 day year. Would love to see what a Hylian calendar looks like.
@@mrlborges - It's just Earth time. Link visibly ages 7 years in Ocarina of Time and there's talk of seasons of the year in various games... It's like saying "maybe humans in Game of Thrones are just very big (along with animals and plants and so on) and therefore travel many miles quicker than we could because miles are still the same length as ours". It's just never going to be the case, even if it would solve some inconsistencies or whatever. =')
@@tanandalynch9441 u didnt get what he wrote - he means that after the events 100 years ago everything went a little quiet again - and only in recent times the calamity and the beasts started ravaging again
I was reallllllly hoping to find the snowpeak ruins somewhere in Hebra. Or at least a big house that resembled it. It is one of my favorite Zelda dungeons of all time. Arbiters Grounds too.
Maybe the 8th Heroine was the snake woman worshipped by the Gerudo. It could have been included as a sage during the transition period for the Gerudo. People don't tend to just drop their religious deities overnight. Later on, snake woman devotion could have become heretical, thus its removal from the area. The 8th Heroine's continued existence could indicate the past/current presence of defector Gerudo similar to the Yiga. Still worshipping the snake woman and possibly still carrying out the will of Ganondorf.
There's one problem, though: In the western corner of Gerudo Town in BotW, there's a goddess statue and Muava who seems like to be a homeless old woman companys the statue on a carpet day and night. If you ask her about the goddess statue, she would say following: "Oh, the Goddess Statue has been here since long before I was even born. No one here really believes in that stuff anymore, though, so they tend to avoid stopping here. Kind of like they avoid me..." However, if Gerudo don't believe neither the sand goddess or the goddess of Hylia, what are they believing now? They don't seems like atheists to me.
Andrew Allred Makes sense considering din created the triforce of power and who used said artifact Ganondorf They probably blamed din for that and stuck to something that has nothing to do with the incarnation of hatred Seven legendary warriors of the female gerudo variety
They believe in Hylia and the 3 goddess' but they don't really worship them, they have spiky ears so that they can hear the voices of the goddess. They worship the 7 warriors, but these aren't godesses they are legendary heroes and have a more spiritual role for the Gerudo than a religious
The Gerudo are probably agnostic vs atheist, and have a complex belief system around honoring their dead (especially since ghosts and spirits exist in Zelda canon, including BotW)
There seems to be a huge amount of historical revisionism going on in Gerudo Desert in Breath of the Wild. There's also the whole thing with the 7th Hero statue. I can't blame them. They definitely have a bad reputation. It's nice to see them go so clean and legit that they actually were allowed to play an EQUAL role in the defeating of Ganon. They even got to be called a "champion".
My theory: After the destruction of the mirror of twilight there was no more purpose to the arbiter’s grounds. The Gerardo then took the arbiter’s grounds apart to use as stone resources to build new structures like the 8 heroine statues.
I think Gurudo town is built over the spirit temple, while Gurudo Valley/Fort were in the Mesa/Canyon area. Perhaps we'll see Arbiter's Grounds from underground, but entry is under the palace and the city was built to guard it. If the game makes underground exploring a thing, then travelling across the regions, but under them, would be a cool lead up quest before the actual dungeons.
Remember The legend of the hero of twilight is more than 10100++++++++++ I think it is more of a surprise that we can even see the pieces of fricking place
The funny thing is, Urbosa literally says that Calamity Ganon took the form of a Gerudo, and no one really talked about it. I think this means Nintendo has been planning the sequels story for quite a while. Longer than most people think.
Yeah, I don't know where it was stated, but from what I understand the sequel was initially intended to just be an expansion of the main game but they had so many ideas for it they ended up altering their plans and turning it into its own game so it's safe to say they had the main ideas for it, like showing Ganondorf's corpse, already planned out during BOTW's production. That said, the line's not really an indication of anything. She's just stating a fact cos, yeah, Ganondorf was in fact a Gerudo.
I believe that a cult took shelter at the arbiter’s grounds to carry out rituals and try to summon/support ganon or ganondorf. That’s why there’s a shrine there in the DLC, and instead of summoning Gannon, they accidentally summoned or empowered a very powerful Molduga, which is why the king molduga is there. The king molduga, afterwards, destroyed the arbiter’s grounds.
I feel that when the Gerudo started worshipping the goddess Hylia they abandoned the spirit temple / Arbiter's grounds, and the desert just reclaimed it
Amazing analysis, especially considering how little Nintendo gave us to go on, Mask! As someone who never finished Breath of the Wild, videos like these help me wrap my mind around the implications of where the lore has gone and how it's progressed. Proud of ya!
You said they might worship the same gods (Hylia) as the Hylian’s. The Gerudo clearly don’t worship Hylia as the Hylia statue in Gerudo town is abandoned, the presence of one indicates they may have at one time worshiped Hylia, though they most likely don’t as of the events after the great calamity.
If BOTW and TOTK are indeed on a fourth timeline, then what if the Arbiter’s Grounds wasn’t a prison for the Kingdom of Hyrule, but instead, a prison for the Gerudo, way back when Ganondorf ruled. That might be a good reason why the Gerudo; after Ganondorf was sealed, destroyed the Arbiters Grounds; like Bandit said, to remove that stain upon their legacy.
I was thinking that too! But, for the life of me, I can’t remember when or where I heard that. Plus, I was just pointing out a possibility. The dude could’ve just dyed his hair and gotten a tan 😂
What’s a mystery to me is what happened to laynaru desert in sky ward sword. It is obvious connected to the mountain where the spring of wisdom is? Also why is the spring of wisdom on the right not the left to represent the triforce
Great video! I hope to see a video someday covering the entire Hylian pantheon, and the significance of each deity to the history and livelihood of Hyrule itself. Your interpretations could make something coherent from the mess that the Hylia faction made of the state religion.
There are currently 5 Devine beasts that we know of the main 4 and links motor cycle if they add in 3 more it would be like all 8 Devine beast were piloted by a sage
6. There are 6 divine beasts. Vah Ruta, Vah Rudania, Vah Medoh, Vah Naboorus, The Mastercycle Zero, and simply Divine Beast. (I hope I spelled those right) Divine Beast is underneath the Shrine of Resurrection. Monk Maz Koshia actually waits for us in there. We know this is a divine beast since it literally tells us when we go to get the map.
@@TotalInsanity4 That would be physically impossible, as the Shrine of Resurrection is on top of the Divine Beast and may even be part of the divine beast. Also, this would explain why the Great Plateau is raised, it has a divine beast that it's covering.
TP was the first Zelda game I ever played- and my childhood favourite. Played BoTW the other day, and discovered the Arbiter's Grounds within the desert after wondering around. I must say... My mind was blown with nostalgia and immediately I began to try and figure out WHAT had happened to... such a big place. You, sir, who I am a fan of, have spoken my thoughts!! I had thought that the most plausible explanation for the Arbiter's Grounds Ruins was that the Gerudo had simply destroyed it, to erase the darkest parts of their history and perhaps ease their minds- and who knowns, the minds of all their future children. I mean, them stories gotta be passed down at bedtime. LOL
3:50 there was a secret in the spirit temple, if you have a Longshot and if you use it in any area in the statue it won't work, but if you shoot it where the nipple is located it works, but what does it mean?
I have a theory that blew my mind when I realized it. Arbiters Ground had sinkholes around certain rooms. It was ALREADY SINKING! In he room with the torches and the Goddess Statue. I think the ground there is Actually covering the entrance to the Spirit temple. Like they covered and built up the wall to be on the same level as the Statue.
I really enjoyed this one not only did our Lord and savior say my name but you didn't have to stretch to form your theory witch is an all to common thing in the current between games drought
My theory on the goddess is that she might either be Din the golden goddess of power or a really old Gerudo version of Hylia. So old people forgot they were the same.
A theory linking the Peak Province to one of its possible locations in botw would be interesting 🤔 thanks for the great videos Mnb! You've quickly become my favorite zelda theorist 😁
‘That will make this victory all the more..’**ADVERTS** lol, it was so perfectly timed it makes me think Truman show/simulation theory! Great vid though man, sitting in the woods listening to some Zelda speculation is always great
I think that since twilight princess was in the child timeline and we don't see any gerudo besides ganondorf, the gerudo abandoned the grounds along with everything else and by the time they returned it had already started to collapse so they didn't bother trying to restore it since they were likely busy trying to ensure peaceful relations with the hylians
I'm under the impression that more than 10,000 years have past since it was last seen. it probably eroded and was buried (especially if it didn't have a good foundation) over time. I don't think the gerudo would've destroyed it within the generation or two that would remember their imprisonment because that would require numbers or tools they wouldn't have in that amount of time.
I think the simpler answer is that it fell to disrepair and exposed to the elements to get buried under all that sand and forgotten. What use is the Arbiter’s Ground to them considering there’s now more efficient methods at housing the criminals of Hyrule during the Age of Calamity.
With the new trailer for Tears of the Kingdom coming out, the Arbiter's Grounds may be accessible through the sink holes. Maybe they were buried due to the passing of time.
Which is a resemblance of shape. Rectangular/square mirrors do also exist. It’s also rather large, of similar circumference and coloration- but yes, a circle. Lol
I always assumed the Arbiter’s Grounds were the Spirit Temple. Also that they were converted at the instruction of the royal family. It makes sense, we know that the family has acted like other royals throughout history (see banishing the shieka tribe because of the threat to their power). In the child timeline, once the king was informed of Gannon’s betrayal, he likely would have ordered the royal guard to ride to the desert, subjugated the Gerudo and then turned their holiest place into a prison to show you don’t mess with the royal family.
In this franchise, differences in appearance can always be explained by changes in art style between games. Each game is meant to be an interpretation of a myth.
In LoZ:TP, much of the Gerudo Desert had been lost to time and neglect, and the only Gerudo featured in the entire game was Telma (who ran the bar in South Castle Town). Considering the current state we find it in within LoZ:BotW, it's possible that the new Gerudo race had destroyed it out of respect for all their ancestors that had been sent there to die. However, it's equally possible that the Arbiter's Grounds had been destroyed over time due to a combination of natural erosion and destruction via Mulduga (you do happen to find one lurking around there in game)! Also, LoZ:BotW is depicted as taking place tens of thousands of years (or more) after any previous Zelda game (including LoZ:TP), so natural erosion is NOT out of the question. (Real world example: the great pyramids and the great sphinx located in Egypt.)
Great video, although I would add that it isn’t speculative what deity the Gerudo worship: there is a goddess statue of Hylia in Gerudo town in breath of the wild.
personally I think the Arbiter's Grounds are separate from the spirit temple and link was not able to access it although I still believe it was built by the gerudo and was remade by hyrule for prisoners as the shadow temple was out of commission and as for the mirror the one in the spirit temple is just a mirror it's just round
I like the video but with one exception: you mention Arbiters Grounds as a "vacation spot" and "summer plans aside" this is a huge mistake! Arbiters Grounds is way too hot for a summer vacation and if one insisted on going (which I recommend against) you would want to travel there in the winter months. Hope this helps.
Unlikely as he was executed at the end of TP by link while the arbiter grounds still lingered as you found them. Arbiter means Judge, so they were the "judgement grounds" where the Hylians genocided Ganondorf's Gerudo Regime after his attempted invasion, it's survivers likely exiled/fled further into the desert. The grounds are a stain on their history, as the video states, the Gerudo are not inherently malicious, so they likely destroyed the ruins themselves as to attempt and wipe the atrocity from their minds and history. All this on top of the fact that deserts naturally swallow entire ruins. (the real world Sphinx and great Pyramids were first discovered buried to their tips, and these are *massive* structures) Honestly, the desert environment is perfectly capable of destroying the ruins itself, but if it had help it was most likely the surviving Gerudo and not Ganondorf as he never had the opportunity before Link kills him.
definitely an interesting take, and perhaps the Gerudo slowly adopting more Hylian beliefs would tie into why they excised the 8th heroine from their history, so they could have Seven Heroines to better parallel the seven Sages.
I'm still in question of some things. I know the woods above the castle is supposed to be lost woods but it was south of the castle in oot. The temple of time was next to the castle in oot but it's a ways away from the castle in botw. Same for kakariko village. It's south east of the castle in botw but it's east in oot. I'm curious about this why is everything in a different spot from before if those places resemble what was in oot. And the volcano has always been known to be neighbor of kakariko. Not now.
From what I understand, The Arbiters Grounds was originally a place of worship for the Gerudo. However after the events of OOT when Link warned the king of Hyrule about Ganondorfs plans, the Hylian army preemptively attacked the Gerudo and used the Arbiters grounds, their OWN place of worship, as a prison/ execution chamber nearly commiting genocide. SO, i think it was probably destroyed by both the Gerudo and Hylians with a common interest in mind. To forgive and forget
Bandit: "There might actually be a fairly dark reason for its destruction." Camera pans to show Korok. Me: "My God. I knew something felt wrong about them."
"I was sealed here once.. hmmm, maybe i should destroy it just in case.. what do you guys think!? shigeru, Takashi!? and you Eiji!?" We might never know why it is destroyed in BotW :c
Demise and by extension Ganon is very petty In fact now that I think about that is literally why conflict exists in hyrule At any rate this could’ve happened at any time before the hero of the Zonai and the army of guardians put the wombo combo on the calamity
@@stardust8797 Maybe but.. there was a civil war before OoT, so i think all the humanoid beings in that world are pretty much as bad as humans being gannon some what worse :c thank Hylia they dont have nukes, imagine gannon possessing and launching dat!!!
Actually the Gerudo have there own religion. Even though they have a goddess statue in their town it’s not there religion. There is an old women next to it saying others don’t like it or something, they also have the 7 heroines. I’m pretty sure in Urbosas diary she mentions it too
The "goddess of the sands" could be "the eighth heroine"!!! I mean the goddess of the sands is always her special spot in the gerudo desert, and the eighth heroine is separated from the others but could have the same origins as the goddess of the sands, because she has a special spot in the gerudo desert too and to me they almost look alike...
@@levie8269 remember in ocarina of Time the eighth sage was revealed to be princess Zelda, she wasn't murdered. Any of the eight stages cannot die from physical forces, except magical forces like Ganondorf
@@levie8269 somehow I think they could have gotten another sage, like in the fallen hero timeline and adult timeline, because of toon Link resurrecting two sage's in the wind era, since BOTW falls under all three timelines, they could have gotten another water sage for that job.
The question is why are there locations from all 3 timelines in BOTW? Because the timelines have converged. When king Daphnes wishes on the triforce to heal the world, he inexplicably starts this process. It heals not just his world, but also the other timelines as well. The goddesses begin to merge the three timelines and thus the three Hyrules back into one, as it was before OOT. This event is the Calamity. It causes environmental disaster that kills the Leviathians and it merges the three seperate Ganon/ganondorfs into one, known as Calamity Ganon. The Dragons flight paths in BOTW all seem to correspond to major geographic features. Canyons, mountains, lakes, what have you. They are effecting the geography of hyrule its self, to bring forth diffrent areas from diffrent timelines. This of course causes massive destruction as well. You cant just make a mountain appear, you need to push the earth together. You cant just make a lake, you need to displace the earth that is there. This is how features like the great plateau and lost woods end up in seemingly random places. How the Pinnacle rocks find their way from death mountain to the gerudo dessert. The Calamity wasnt a result of Ganon. The Calamity was the Calamity. It was the unification. "Calamity Ganon" is the ganon that came about AFTER the calamity. This is how Zora and Rito can exist at the same time. The rito are from one timeline, the Zora from a diffrent timeline.
I like your theory but I think it can actually be much simpler. Sand in the Sahara, a real-world non-fantasy desert, can reach depths of at least 130 feet in some places. There are likely still Egyptian ruins, maybe even other pyramids, still completely covered by sand. Over time the sands shift with the wind and can obscure whole cities. Barring that, if the Arbiter's Grounds were once the Spirit Temple, the Gerudo could have torn it down due to the sacrilegious use it was put to. Namely, to kill Gerudo prisoners who had rebelled with Gannondorf.
Didn’t see any gerudo during LoZ TP. Heard a good theory that the hylians were hostile following ganons debacle when link exposes him in the child timeline. Gerudo suffered at the arbiters grounds and abandoned the area, fleeing toward the distant desert fringes. Gerudo returned to raze the structure later.
One thing that i believe most ppl forget is that CG was sealed 1000 years before Breath of the Wild starts and then its another 100 years when u awaken so ive always wondered when the sealing of CG took place in the timeline
It's actually stated by a character in game that they don't worship the goddess Hylia, when you enter Gerudo town from the west side, there is a Hylia statue but the lady next to it says that they don't believe in the goddess and that it just stays there forgotten
I remember played Arbiters grounds for the first time as a kid in twilight princess it was easily the scariest part of the game for me with all the spirits and to this day It is the only reason why I don’t want to replay twilight princess because that dungeon still scares me
Do you have a theory about the Goddess of the Sand or the Arbiter's Grounds/Spirit Temple?
Also. Thank you all, once again, for 2019. I can't say that enough. And I can't wait to see what 2020 holds. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
Awesome Video
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I don't really have any proof to make it a plausible theory. but considering how Ganon is kind of vengeful. I would imagine he would want destroy Arbiters ground himself. until it can be confirmed I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Calamity Gannon. or some of the many Mechs that he possessed destroyed Arbiter grounds.
Me, frantically digging around the Arbiter's Grounds ruins: *"WHERE'S THE MIRROR I NEED TO SEE HER AGAIN"*
It's in botw you Can find part of it around thé coast
@@boocolo1046 its actually never proved that its the mirror of twilight
As a Twilight Princess fan I did the exact same thing. 😂
Where the temple at fr though
Except that, the twilight mirror is actually broken, not ripped to simply shards to find. It was destroyed.😢
Palmorae Beach, and all the pieces are really close by too
This is off topic but...Urbosa’s abs tho...
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The Gerudo themselves destroyed the Arbiter's Grounds, it was a place where many if not all of their race was banished/imprisoned/slaughtered there. The Gerudo then built the Seven Heroines in honour of all the great Gerudo they lost in the Hylian Royal family's purge.
Exactly this! I completely agree with you
Great Theory, Oh Great King of Evil.
Yeah i was just about to say but didn't alot of Gerudo die in the Arbiter Grounds?
Plus that place was infested with bugs, it had to go.
And nr. 8?
I always just assumed it was covered in sand. That what we are seeing are the remains of the top of the temple, and the rest is still there. Just below your feet.
That's the same thought I had. It's within the realm of possibility.
Sand happened to Arbiters Ground, after all its coarse, rough and gets everywhere.
You forgot irritating...
I see what you did here... lol.
Not a happy landing
If there's anyone who doesn't get that reference i don't even know what to say.
Hello there...
I enjoy visiting the Arbiter's Grounds, so many things went wrong there.
ok ganon
yeah great spirits where to do the thing right then freak out and do a kind dummy-move and the kingdom so teenager had to do it right and now years later still another teenager goes to do it right so epic horror and so epic funny too
@@yamisarkar91 ....Ok? I think I had a stroke reading your comment or you had one writing it.
@@54667991 oh sorry just writing about the fun game
@@yamisarkar91 Sorry also, I didn't mean to sound rude.
I had a interesting thought: Remember how there's the spiral thing that you make rise up and then climb using the spinner just before the boss in Twilight Princess? What if the whole Arbiter's grounds can be made to rise or sink that way, and it's not destroyed but under the sand?
That would fit with my theory that a lot of underground stuff will be central to BotW 2's theme. In that game's trailer, Link and Zelda are travelling underground. In the first BotW, there are big cracks all over Hyrule where powerful gusts of wind blast out of the earth. Where the heck are those coming from??? And of course, the Guardians and Divine Beasts were all buried using Sheikah technology. Add the idea of a buried Arbiter's Grounds to this.
ShinyGoldBacon OH BOY i would love that so much
And how a lot of shrines are underground
That would be a logical way for dungeons to exist.
They probably won’t add new temples in botw2 and pretend it was there the whole time
That's one very interesting theory
Does anyone remember the Zuna from FSA? They were already in decline by the time of the game, but they appear to predate the Gerudo and were great builders (Ganon gets his signature trident from one of their pyramids). Makes me wonder perhaps all the ancient structures we see in the desert were built by them. Perhaps even the desert colossus. Perhaps they adopted the worship of the sand goddess, because they found references of her in the desert?
Theory: In the sequel, the Arbiter‘s Ground Ruins serve as a/become a traditional dungeon by rising up from underneath the sand or the sand flows away to uncover the underground entrance. AAAAAAAND this is were Link and Zelda will find the mummified body of Ganondorf, who is/was held prisoner at Arbiter‘s Ground.
Like the swamp temple in majoras mask but sand instead of poisoned water
I like this
The comment above yours is literally the same “theory” lol
oh what an awesome story twist
@Akitsu no, botw is the converging of all of the timelines, making it the final game in the timeline. this means that arbiters grounds can exist as it is after twilight princess which also means that the rest of the landmarks in the game from previous titles can exist together
Personally I feel the answer is more simplistic but also a lot less satisfying. The temple is old, very old. I feel that it just got swallowed by the sand, its happened in real life so why not in BOTW as well.
Instead of the Gerudo destroying it, maybe Ganondorf destroyed it out of his rage for being imprisoned there.
Could be just a why not decision for one of his many forgotten incarnations or instinct
He wasn't imprisoned three tho. It was in the Twilight realm.
Lestad E he was imprisoned there. Waiting to be executed. When the execution failed, he was then sent to the twilight realm
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It's that mentioned in Hyrule Historia?
@@lestade682 I believe it was
I think it's the sand overtook the temple-prison, and that Molduga is the reason the parts of the place we see are destroyed as they are.
A wild theory: the Arbiter's grounds are in ruins because they stopped being used and 10000 years have passed since OoT
It takes place even more than 10,000 years after OoT and TP. So that gives it even more time to be in ruins
I’m surprised there’s even ruins left, 10,000 years is a LONG time
How long are Hylian years though? It’s a completely made up universe so the way they count time may be wildly different than our 365 day year. Would love to see what a Hylian calendar looks like.
@@mrlborges - It's just Earth time. Link visibly ages 7 years in Ocarina of Time and there's talk of seasons of the year in various games... It's like saying "maybe humans in Game of Thrones are just very big (along with animals and plants and so on) and therefore travel many miles quicker than we could because miles are still the same length as ours". It's just never going to be the case, even if it would solve some inconsistencies or whatever. =')
Let’s not forget a huge divine beast was stampeding through the desert for 100 years
the way people talk, they only sprang up to life recently. much like how calamity gannon was dormant till recently.
That smart tho
He stomp
@@azadalamiq it's been 100 years. This is mentioned frequently. Even the champions themselves say how the blight ganoms killed them 100 years ago.
@@tanandalynch9441 u didnt get what he wrote - he means that after the events 100 years ago everything went a little quiet again - and only in recent times the calamity and the beasts started ravaging again
The Arbiter's Grounds was my favorite location in Twilight Princess, so I'm very happy it made a return in BotW.
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You mean you’re glad you got to see its walls make a return
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I was reallllllly hoping to find the snowpeak ruins somewhere in Hebra. Or at least a big house that resembled it. It is one of my favorite Zelda dungeons of all time. Arbiters Grounds too.
I wish there was more to take a picture of tho. like at least the long pillars with the medallion symbols.
Maybe the 8th Heroine was the snake woman worshipped by the Gerudo.
It could have been included as a sage during the transition period for the Gerudo. People don't tend to just drop their religious deities overnight. Later on, snake woman devotion could have become heretical, thus its removal from the area.
The 8th Heroine's continued existence could indicate the past/current presence of defector Gerudo similar to the Yiga. Still worshipping the snake woman and possibly still carrying out the will of Ganondorf.
There's one problem, though: In the western corner of Gerudo Town in BotW, there's a goddess statue and Muava who seems like to be a homeless old woman companys the statue on a carpet day and night. If you ask her about the goddess statue, she would say following: "Oh, the Goddess Statue has been here since long before I was even born. No one here really believes in that stuff anymore, though, so they tend to avoid stopping here. Kind of like they avoid me..." However, if Gerudo don't believe neither the sand goddess or the goddess of Hylia, what are they believing now? They don't seems like atheists to me.
They believe in the Seven Heroines. I believe it’s stated in game and in the offical Creatinf a Champion book
Andrew Allred
Makes sense considering din created the triforce of power and who used said artifact
Ganondorf
They probably blamed din for that and stuck to something that has nothing to do with the incarnation of hatred
Seven legendary warriors of the female gerudo variety
They believe in Hylia and the 3 goddess' but they don't really worship them, they have spiky ears so that they can hear the voices of the goddess. They worship the 7 warriors, but these aren't godesses they are legendary heroes and have a more spiritual role for the Gerudo than a religious
【Cat】 yeah that makes more sense
The Gerudo are probably agnostic vs atheist, and have a complex belief system around honoring their dead (especially since ghosts and spirits exist in Zelda canon, including BotW)
When you realise that Hyrule Warriors was actually the Infinite Crisis of the Zelda games.
What i loved about Hyrule Warriors is that Zelda takes up her sword and kicks ass for hyrule!
Been my theory for over a year now, too.
There seems to be a huge amount of historical revisionism going on in Gerudo Desert in Breath of the Wild. There's also the whole thing with the 7th Hero statue.
I can't blame them. They definitely have a bad reputation. It's nice to see them go so clean and legit that they actually were allowed to play an EQUAL role in the defeating of Ganon. They even got to be called a "champion".
Urbosa was really eager to beat the shit out of Ganon. She even mentions how legends say he once appeared as a Gerudo.
@@eri_noemi1462 "Legends" they say, lol.
My theory: After the destruction of the mirror of twilight there was no more purpose to the arbiter’s grounds. The Gerardo then took the arbiter’s grounds apart to use as stone resources to build new structures like the 8 heroine statues.
I think Gurudo town is built over the spirit temple, while Gurudo Valley/Fort were in the Mesa/Canyon area.
Perhaps we'll see Arbiter's Grounds from underground, but entry is under the palace and the city was built to guard it. If the game makes underground exploring a thing, then travelling across the regions, but under them, would be a cool lead up quest before the actual dungeons.
Lol that outro wishing everyone a great 2020, little that we knew
Bandit:Have a good 2020
Me: tell Hylia ANYTHING BUT THAT
The music that the gerudo desert had was my favorite from Twilight Princess, they should've used that theme on botw tbh
Yeah, it's really atmospheric, so it would fit perfectly with Breath of the Wild.
I think parts of it might be In the Gerudo town theme but im not exactly sure.
"Let's have a great 2020!" Oh, honey....
I always thought the sand goddess was their interpretation of the goddess Din.
I never thought about that!
Damn that intro at 1:12 is really cool
Thank you :)
Agreed!
I randomly got a flashback to Mario 64, the desert painting world.
"An even better 2020 to come" That quote did not age well.
5:05 if I hear that song one more time, I will...
I don't know what I'll do.
😂
You too, watch Nintendo black crisis?
I got that as my legit ringtone 😄not too many people around me know what it actually is though
@@thomaspereira1545 Yes, He 's great but I've heard that song too much. I don't know what it is about it but when I hear I cringe.
@HyruleHero 333 I do too, but it gets annoying somtimes idky
I think, over time, the Arbiter’s Grounds was burried by the desert and was destroyed, probably decaying until it was nothing but burried ruins!
Remember
The legend of the hero of twilight is more than 10100++++++++++
I think it is more of a surprise that we can even see the pieces of fricking place
Just like a lot of ancient cities from back in the day that are under the sand now
The funny thing is, Urbosa literally says that Calamity Ganon took the form of a Gerudo, and no one really talked about it. I think this means Nintendo has been planning the sequels story for quite a while. Longer than most people think.
Yeah, I don't know where it was stated, but from what I understand the sequel was initially intended to just be an expansion of the main game but they had so many ideas for it they ended up altering their plans and turning it into its own game so it's safe to say they had the main ideas for it, like showing Ganondorf's corpse, already planned out during BOTW's production.
That said, the line's not really an indication of anything. She's just stating a fact cos, yeah, Ganondorf was in fact a Gerudo.
I believe that a cult took shelter at the arbiter’s grounds to carry out rituals and try to summon/support ganon or ganondorf. That’s why there’s a shrine there in the DLC, and instead of summoning Gannon, they accidentally summoned or empowered a very powerful Molduga, which is why the king molduga is there. The king molduga, afterwards, destroyed the arbiter’s grounds.
that's the east barrens which is literally on the other side of the gerudo desert LMAO
1:23, that was REALLLLY cool! Great editing job on that!
I feel that when the Gerudo started worshipping the goddess Hylia they abandoned the spirit temple / Arbiter's grounds, and the desert just reclaimed it
I’m a simple woman. I see an upload, I click.
I see a theory about one of my favorite dungeons in the franchise, I click twice as fast.
i bet u smell like exquisite European cheese
@@IamSupreme333 I bet you smell like AXE body spray
Double-0 Snake possibly
MNB: an even better 2020!
Me watching it now: I wish.
Amazing analysis, especially considering how little Nintendo gave us to go on, Mask! As someone who never finished Breath of the Wild, videos like these help me wrap my mind around the implications of where the lore has gone and how it's progressed. Proud of ya!
Yay birdy senpai
You said they might worship the same gods (Hylia) as the Hylian’s. The Gerudo clearly don’t worship Hylia as the Hylia statue in Gerudo town is abandoned, the presence of one indicates they may have at one time worshiped Hylia, though they most likely don’t as of the events after the great calamity.
Hmm, makes sense to me.
If BOTW and TOTK are indeed on a fourth timeline, then what if the Arbiter’s Grounds wasn’t a prison for the Kingdom of Hyrule, but instead, a prison for the Gerudo, way back when Ganondorf ruled.
That might be a good reason why the Gerudo; after Ganondorf was sealed, destroyed the Arbiters Grounds; like Bandit said, to remove that stain upon their legacy.
Happy new year
I could be wrong, but I swear they said that no male had been born since Ganondorf.
I was thinking that too! But, for the life of me, I can’t remember when or where I heard that. Plus, I was just pointing out a possibility. The dude could’ve just dyed his hair and gotten a tan 😂
What’s a mystery to me is what happened to laynaru desert in sky ward sword. It is obvious connected to the mountain where the spring of wisdom is? Also why is the spring of wisdom on the right not the left to represent the triforce
Great video!
I hope to see a video someday covering the entire Hylian pantheon, and the significance of each deity to the history and livelihood of Hyrule itself. Your interpretations could make something coherent from the mess that the Hylia faction made of the state religion.
There are currently 5 Devine beasts that we know of the main 4 and links motor cycle if they add in 3 more it would be like all 8 Devine beast were piloted by a sage
6. There are 6 divine beasts. Vah Ruta, Vah Rudania, Vah Medoh, Vah Naboorus, The Mastercycle Zero, and simply Divine Beast. (I hope I spelled those right)
Divine Beast is underneath the Shrine of Resurrection. Monk Maz Koshia actually waits for us in there. We know this is a divine beast since it literally tells us when we go to get the map.
@@Ashley_Graves_1 Isn't it implied that that's a scaled up version of the Master Cycle?
@@TotalInsanity4 No. I looks nothing like a horse. You can even go back to that divine beast after you've gotten the mastercycle zero.
@@Ashley_Graves_1 no, I mean the inside. It's a massive transmission with a clutch
@@TotalInsanity4 That would be physically impossible, as the Shrine of Resurrection is on top of the Divine Beast and may even be part of the divine beast. Also, this would explain why the Great Plateau is raised, it has a divine beast that it's covering.
TP was the first Zelda game I ever played- and my childhood favourite. Played BoTW the other day, and discovered the Arbiter's Grounds within the desert after wondering around. I must say... My mind was blown with nostalgia and immediately I began to try and figure out WHAT had happened to... such a big place. You, sir, who I am a fan of, have spoken my thoughts!! I had thought that the most plausible explanation for the Arbiter's Grounds Ruins was that the Gerudo had simply destroyed it, to erase the darkest parts of their history and perhaps ease their minds- and who knowns, the minds of all their future children. I mean, them stories gotta be passed down at bedtime. LOL
3:50 there was a secret in the spirit temple, if you have a Longshot and if you use it in any area in the statue it won't work, but if you shoot it where the nipple is located it works, but what does it mean?
Nintendo are perverts lol
The explanation is that the Japanese made it.
I still don't know what does it mean.
@@eljaminlatour6633 .... It has no lore implications, only that their perverted natures spilt over to game design. It's just a joke by the creators.
I have a theory that blew my mind when I realized it. Arbiters Ground had sinkholes around certain rooms. It was ALREADY SINKING! In he room with the torches and the Goddess Statue. I think the ground there is Actually covering the entrance to the Spirit temple. Like they covered and built up the wall to be on the same level as the Statue.
This
I really enjoyed this one not only did our Lord and savior say my name but you didn't have to stretch to form your theory witch is an all to common thing in the current between games drought
"An even better 2020 to come"
That didnt age well 😬
Watching this in April 2020. When I got to the part in the outro when you said "here's to an even better 2020" I have to laugh
I wonder if there might be any connection to the Sand Goddess and the Eighth Herione if the Gerudo did convert to the predominant Hylian religion...
My theory on the goddess is that she might either be Din the golden goddess of power or a really old Gerudo version of Hylia. So old people forgot they were the same.
A theory linking the Peak Province to one of its possible locations in botw would be interesting 🤔 thanks for the great videos Mnb! You've quickly become my favorite zelda theorist 😁
I think it would be the Hebra province in botw
‘That will make this victory all the more..’**ADVERTS** lol, it was so perfectly timed it makes me think Truman show/simulation theory! Great vid though man, sitting in the woods listening to some Zelda speculation is always great
I think that since twilight princess was in the child timeline and we don't see any gerudo besides ganondorf, the gerudo abandoned the grounds along with everything else and by the time they returned it had already started to collapse so they didn't bother trying to restore it since they were likely busy trying to ensure peaceful relations with the hylians
I'm under the impression that more than 10,000 years have past since it was last seen. it probably eroded and was buried (especially if it didn't have a good foundation) over time. I don't think the gerudo would've destroyed it within the generation or two that would remember their imprisonment because that would require numbers or tools they wouldn't have in that amount of time.
Yaay! I was hoping somebody would get around to the mystery of the Arbiter's Grounds ruins! Thank you!
I think the simpler answer is that it fell to disrepair and exposed to the elements to get buried under all that sand and forgotten. What use is the Arbiter’s Ground to them considering there’s now more efficient methods at housing the criminals of Hyrule during the Age of Calamity.
With the new trailer for Tears of the Kingdom coming out, the Arbiter's Grounds may be accessible through the sink holes. Maybe they were buried due to the passing of time.
"resemblances of shape and size" IT'S A CIRLCE!
Which is a resemblance of shape. Rectangular/square mirrors do also exist. It’s also rather large, of similar circumference and coloration- but yes, a circle. Lol
watching this in 2021 hits different when he has 'have fantastic day ... 2019 and a even better 2020'
I always assumed the Arbiter’s Grounds were the Spirit Temple. Also that they were converted at the instruction of the royal family. It makes sense, we know that the family has acted like other royals throughout history (see banishing the shieka tribe because of the threat to their power). In the child timeline, once the king was informed of Gannon’s betrayal, he likely would have ordered the royal guard to ride to the desert, subjugated the Gerudo and then turned their holiest place into a prison to show you don’t mess with the royal family.
In this franchise, differences in appearance can always be explained by changes in art style between games. Each game is meant to be an interpretation of a myth.
1:00
Wouldn't have even noticed if you didn't point it out 😂😂👌
It's definitely everything you described. It all clicks.
“Here to an amazing 2020”
Big oooooooof
MNB then: enjoy the rest of 2019, and an even better 2020 to come
us now: 2020 happened to arbiters grounds
In LoZ:TP, much of the Gerudo Desert had been lost to time and neglect, and the only Gerudo featured in the entire game was Telma (who ran the bar in South Castle Town). Considering the current state we find it in within LoZ:BotW, it's possible that the new Gerudo race had destroyed it out of respect for all their ancestors that had been sent there to die. However, it's equally possible that the Arbiter's Grounds had been destroyed over time due to a combination of natural erosion and destruction via Mulduga (you do happen to find one lurking around there in game)! Also, LoZ:BotW is depicted as taking place tens of thousands of years (or more) after any previous Zelda game (including LoZ:TP), so natural erosion is NOT out of the question. (Real world example: the great pyramids and the great sphinx located in Egypt.)
I'm watching this video in 2020, and I have bad news for past MNB...
Great video, although I would add that it isn’t speculative what deity the Gerudo worship: there is a goddess statue of Hylia in Gerudo town in breath of the wild.
The is, however, it is abandoned, implying that they at one time worshiped Hylia, but don't anymore
Your videos are so calming compared to other video game channels.
Thank you :)
personally I think the Arbiter's Grounds are separate from the spirit temple and link was not able to access it although I still believe it was built by the gerudo and was remade by hyrule for prisoners as the shadow temple was out of commission and as for the mirror the one in the spirit temple is just a mirror it's just round
I like the video but with one exception: you mention Arbiters Grounds as a "vacation spot" and "summer plans aside" this is a huge mistake! Arbiters Grounds is way too hot for a summer vacation and if one insisted on going (which I recommend against) you would want to travel there in the winter months. Hope this helps.
It could have been Ganon himself, destroying the play he was imprisoned previously so he can't be imprisoned there again.
Unlikely as he was executed at the end of TP by link while the arbiter grounds still lingered as you found them.
Arbiter means Judge, so they were the "judgement grounds" where the Hylians genocided Ganondorf's Gerudo Regime after his attempted invasion, it's survivers likely exiled/fled further into the desert. The grounds are a stain on their history, as the video states, the Gerudo are not inherently malicious, so they likely destroyed the ruins themselves as to attempt and wipe the atrocity from their minds and history. All this on top of the fact that deserts naturally swallow entire ruins. (the real world Sphinx and great Pyramids were first discovered buried to their tips, and these are *massive* structures) Honestly, the desert environment is perfectly capable of destroying the ruins itself, but if it had help it was most likely the surviving Gerudo and not Ganondorf as he never had the opportunity before Link kills him.
definitely an interesting take, and perhaps the Gerudo slowly adopting more Hylian beliefs would tie into why they excised the 8th heroine from their history, so they could have Seven Heroines to better parallel the seven Sages.
I'm still in question of some things. I know the woods above the castle is supposed to be lost woods but it was south of the castle in oot. The temple of time was next to the castle in oot but it's a ways away from the castle in botw. Same for kakariko village. It's south east of the castle in botw but it's east in oot. I'm curious about this why is everything in a different spot from before if those places resemble what was in oot. And the volcano has always been known to be neighbor of kakariko. Not now.
From what I understand, The Arbiters Grounds was originally a place of worship for the Gerudo. However after the events of OOT when Link warned the king of Hyrule about Ganondorfs plans, the Hylian army preemptively attacked the Gerudo and used the Arbiters grounds, their OWN place of worship, as a prison/ execution chamber nearly commiting genocide.
SO, i think it was probably destroyed by both the Gerudo and Hylians with a common interest in mind. To forgive and forget
For some reason it never clicked that Vilia could be the one Gerudo male, but thinking about it... holy shit.
7:54 A Gerudo near the goddess statue says that most of the Gurudo don't believe in it any more
Bandit: "There might actually be a fairly dark reason for its destruction."
Camera pans to show Korok.
Me: "My God. I knew something felt wrong about them."
Why is no one talking about the fact that at the end of the video he said that 2020 would be a great year... he was wrong
What if the Yiga destroyed it because they swore an alliance to Ganon and hated the fact that someone tried killing him in the past
"I was sealed here once.. hmmm, maybe i should destroy it just in case.. what do you guys think!? shigeru, Takashi!? and you Eiji!?"
We might never know why it is destroyed in BotW :c
Demise and by extension Ganon is very petty
In fact now that I think about that is literally why conflict exists in hyrule
At any rate this could’ve happened at any time before the hero of the Zonai and the army of guardians put the wombo combo on the calamity
@@stardust8797 Maybe but.. there was a civil war before OoT, so i think all the humanoid beings in that world are pretty much as bad as humans being gannon some what worse :c thank Hylia they dont have nukes, imagine gannon possessing and launching dat!!!
Actually the Gerudo have there own religion. Even though they have a goddess statue in their town it’s not there religion. There is an old women next to it saying others don’t like it or something, they also have the 7 heroines. I’m pretty sure in Urbosas diary she mentions it too
The "goddess of the sands" could be "the eighth heroine"!!!
I mean the goddess of the sands is always her special spot in the gerudo desert, and the eighth heroine is separated from the others but could have the same origins as the goddess of the sands, because she has a special spot in the gerudo desert too and to me they almost look alike...
remember the eight sages the seven heroines are supposed to be the eight sages and the eighth is the sage that got murdered
@@levie8269 remember in ocarina of Time the eighth sage was revealed to be princess Zelda, she wasn't murdered. Any of the eight stages cannot die from physical forces, except magical forces like Ganondorf
@@GrimNoir1986 I mean the twilight princess sages
@@levie8269 somehow I think they could have gotten another sage, like in the fallen hero timeline and adult timeline, because of toon Link resurrecting two sage's in the wind era, since BOTW falls under all three timelines, they could have gotten another water sage for that job.
The question is why are there locations from all 3 timelines in BOTW? Because the timelines have converged. When king Daphnes wishes on the triforce to heal the world, he inexplicably starts this process. It heals not just his world, but also the other timelines as well. The goddesses begin to merge the three timelines and thus the three Hyrules back into one, as it was before OOT.
This event is the Calamity. It causes environmental disaster that kills the Leviathians and it merges the three seperate Ganon/ganondorfs into one, known as Calamity Ganon.
The Dragons flight paths in BOTW all seem to correspond to major geographic features. Canyons, mountains, lakes, what have you. They are effecting the geography of hyrule its self, to bring forth diffrent areas from diffrent timelines.
This of course causes massive destruction as well. You cant just make a mountain appear, you need to push the earth together. You cant just make a lake, you need to displace the earth that is there.
This is how features like the great plateau and lost woods end up in seemingly random places. How the Pinnacle rocks find their way from death mountain to the gerudo dessert.
The Calamity wasnt a result of Ganon. The Calamity was the Calamity. It was the unification. "Calamity Ganon" is the ganon that came about AFTER the calamity.
This is how Zora and Rito can exist at the same time. The rito are from one timeline, the Zora from a diffrent timeline.
I like your theory but I think it can actually be much simpler. Sand in the Sahara, a real-world non-fantasy desert, can reach depths of at least 130 feet in some places. There are likely still Egyptian ruins, maybe even other pyramids, still completely covered by sand. Over time the sands shift with the wind and can obscure whole cities.
Barring that, if the Arbiter's Grounds were once the Spirit Temple, the Gerudo could have torn it down due to the sacrilegious use it was put to. Namely, to kill Gerudo prisoners who had rebelled with Gannondorf.
Me, watching this in 2021, hearing Bandit wish everyone a great 2020:
YOU FOOL. YOU ABSOLUTE BUFFOON. YOU HAVE JINXED US ALL!
Didn’t see any gerudo during LoZ TP.
Heard a good theory that the hylians were hostile following ganons debacle when link exposes him in the child timeline. Gerudo suffered at the arbiters grounds and abandoned the area, fleeing toward the distant desert fringes.
Gerudo returned to raze the structure later.
How that “wish you a happy 2020” work out for you.......
One thing that i believe most ppl forget is that CG was sealed 1000 years before Breath of the Wild starts and then its another 100 years when u awaken so ive always wondered when the sealing of CG took place in the timeline
It's actually stated by a character in game that they don't worship the goddess Hylia, when you enter Gerudo town from the west side, there is a Hylia statue but the lady next to it says that they don't believe in the goddess and that it just stays there forgotten
great video, amigo! Happy holidays!
Oh man. What an awkward ending.
Did... did I just watch a zelda theory that was actually GOOD? what? Good job dude
"And an even better 2020 to come"
I remember played Arbiters grounds for the first time as a kid in twilight princess it was easily the scariest part of the game for me with all the spirits and to this day It is the only reason why I don’t want to replay twilight princess because that dungeon still scares me
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she is the sand goddess, goddess of the sand!
Hylia quivers before her!!
Also, this video was SO rich! One of my favorites yet!!
So much for a better 2020 but this video was still great!