Lessons Learned 2 Years With Rubber Flooring
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it has been 2 years with rubber flooring in the woodworking shop. is the Rubber Flooring worth it?
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I winced when you dropped that chisel on the floor, but I legitimately, involuntarily, yelped when you pushed that plane off your bench 😂
A shop I used to work in had 1/4" rubber and it bubbled up a bit where equipment was regularly rolled. It didn't happen around the heavy equipment that was rarely moved, but anything over ~250lbs on casters that got moved regularly caused some problems. Regular movement really seemed to be the issue. To deal with the defects they would move the equipment away and use a roller and a broomstick with a rubber coated end to massage it till it was flat again. They put down a few squares of the puzzle piece type in areas where they had to stand a lot to reduce fatigue. Last time I was there, the rubber had been down about 10 years and no permanent issues other than slightly larger seem gaps around where the bubbling happened. Hope that's useful for someone out there.
With my order, I ordered extra carpet tape for tapping along all the seems as well. Rubber Flooring Inc. suggests that the tape is only needed at the ends when you roll it out to keep it from rolling back up when laid out. I am hopping that this would inhibit the spread of the seams over time with use as I roll my heavy units around the shop.
Seeing the chisel drop doesn't bother me, but even with the rubber seeing you push that plane off the bench made my heart race a little.
Been watching this channel for years... I still get slack jawed when your bench is fully shown. It's so beautiful!
My physical therapist has the same rubber flooring as yours in their gym and it provides a warm, cushioned surface to work out. They have no issue moving extremely heavy pieces of weight lifting equipment around - no deep impressions, tears, or bubbles. My dad and I converted his shed into a small workshop and lined it with rubber puzzle tiles. It's held up beautifully for over 15 years. The seams are good - even where we had to drag out the tablesaw. When I finally get my own workshop, I think I'd go with rubber rolls for the reasons you mentioned (cost and fewer seams).
Stumpy Nubs, another one of my favorite RUclipsrs, moved his shop into a former retail space that had padless industrial low pile carpet glued to a concrete surface. He debated removing it and decided to leave it in place. A year later, I asked him if he ever regretted that decision and he emphatically said no. He loves the anti-fatigue, sound deadening, and dropped tool protection. He said that the low pile doesn't interfere with moving heavy machines around and he cleans up with a vacuum instead of a broom/dustpan.
My only concern with rubber flooring or carpet is in areas where a lot of metal drilling, cutting and filing work may be done. I would imagine that metal shavings would get stuck in those floor coverings. I just lay a 2 foot by 4 foot sheet of Masonite in front of my drill press and workbench if I'm doing any metal work and clean up any shavings with a vacuum.
Upon recommendation of your last video, I ordered 3/8” rubber roll for my shop. It just arrived yesterday! I’m so glad to hear how much you STILL like it. I chose pure black because when I drop a small screw, I want to be able to find it. 😊 Thanks for your recommendation and follow-up - I can’t wait to put it down!
This video was absolutely flooring. I was totally floored after watching it.
I’ve been living in rentals for a while, so I initially got puzzle flooring so I didn’t lose my deposit, and now I’ll never go back! Same as you, when I get to build my dream shop the rubber is going to be the first thing that goes down. 🎉
Looks like a great floor, perhaps you should do an ad for them... you couldn't ask for a better endorsement than that. I checked on their prices from the link below and they are having a sale. I might go with them in the future, but I have puzzle pieces and not looking to spend the money right now... but WOW... they look like a great investment. Thanks!
I use 3/4" rubber horse stall mats in my shop. I love them.
I just finished covering my concrete floors with 3/4" stall mats from Tractor Supply last weekend. I have a few seams left to tape but it's SSSSOOOOOOOOO nice!
I laid 3'x5' x 1/2" horse stall mats in my two-car garage workshop 5 years ago and absolutely love it. Got the at Tractor Supply for less than $50 eaxh which is less than $2.50 sq ft. I can roll my cabinet saw, 600# lathe or any other piece of equipment across it and it is like rolling it on concrete. Highly recommend.
Inspired by your first rubber flooring video I tried to source some for my shop and the cheapest I could find were 1” x 48” x 72” horse mats. So I bought 3 of them to go under/around my bench and they are fantastic!! Highly recommend them as an option! The mats were $70 each from a horse supply business in a nearby small town in Ontario, Canada. They even delivered the mats to my home!
That’s a good tip for a small shop. Cheers!
I layed down 6mm thick 1x2 foot tiles I got off Amazon in my office for sound proofing. It didn’t work. My desk on wheels is heavy and when I rolled it around the tiles edges popped up and bubbled even after they were carpet taped down. I left them and installed cheap foam underlay and cheap indoor outdoor carpet on top. That virtually eliminated sound transfer but the desk was still too heavy. Finally I rolled out 4’ wide 8 mm thick rubber floor on top and that was the best thing to do. In the end the roll of 8 mm rubber was cheaper than buying the 6mm times off Amazon. It looked better and functions great. The desk sinks in it just a bit so have an arcrylic floor protector for desks just under where the desk wheels are. Skip the supposedly cheap pre cut tiles and buy it by the roll. I’m much happier with that. Easy to clean
And it is great for your audio on these videos. Concrete floors are a big reflecter. Your walls are all broken up with stuff hanging on them so no echo from those.
Abput 15 years years ago when I first got into wood turning, I installed a 3/4" thick 4' x 8' rubber horse/cow stall mat in front of my lathe in my gargare woodshop. Later I bought a couple more for in front of my handtool work bench. They've more than paid for themselves for the reasons you've already outlined. Plus, they are a lot easier on my back than bare concrete would have been.
I have rubber flooring down, however it's duckboard (look it up, it's a thing!). Got it from an oil company who was getting rid of it so it was free. It really makes a massive difference on my feet, especially in winter. The large downside is that it is strips of rubber with a 10mm gap in between, joined together at several points along its length. Everything gets underneath it and has to be vacuumed out. I can move my benches (on castors) and roll back the flooring and sweep too, which I do once every six months or so. I definitely wouldn't go back to concrete. For free, I obviously couldn't turn it down!
Thanks for taking the time to do this video. Great information! :)
Many thanks for the honest assessment of the product and your lessons learned!
I will definitely have to think of getting some of that for the shop when I build it.
Inspired by your video I checked amazon(india) and got saw an offer "Half inch puzzle mat 24 sq ft for $10!!"..didnt waste time, ordered two 😀..will send you a photo on Insta
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Don't think I'll afford to spend the rubber flooring anytime soon. But someone near me was giving away totally new beech hardwood floor because they changed their mind for polished concrete.
Hope it will also be fun in the shop 😁
This is a really good video. Thank you!
It may not hurt the plane but it hurts me. uach, that noise of falling plane is giving me goosebumbs.
Great info, I'll be building my workshop next year, and will look into this type of flooring. 😁👍
Did my small shop and it was worth it for all the same reasons plus comfort and helped with my aches and pains that I was having problems with, when working stood on the concrete floor. Also advised my neighbour and he loves it
was really tempted to ask about sound dampening before i got through the whole video but you covered it < 3. appreciate the in depth analysis of the flooring
Hugely helpful! Thank you.
This is a really informative video. I've learned a lot from your videos, but this, especially when you dropped the chisel blade-first, was extremely interesting.
In the "find the seam" shot, the best way I could find it wasto find blue dots with an unnaturally straight edge. Found it! But in areas where there are no blue bits near the seam, much harder...
This was essential for my shop time as arthritis progresses. I bought remnants from a fitness center. Mine overlays OrVX subbflooring.
I'm building an extension to my workshop, my original is a 20ft shipping container and I'm building a shed out from the double doors. You have given me a lot to think about, thank you!
I don't have full rubber flooring in my shop, but I do have some strategically placed mats. But, if I drop a tool and it hits the concrete between them, it could well result in tears of abject despair. I live dangerously.
Interesting about shop safety. I catch some things, or try (coffee, water, ...) but I tend to dance out of the way of falling sharps. I _know_ how sharp they are, and that scares me. I probably would not feel a chisel going in at first, for instance. I know that I have picked up cuts, very nice clean ones, when my attention wandered away from a blade and how I was using it. So, not losing an edge or chipping one is a nice thought.
what i found in nz, was that i could get puzzle piece rubber mats really cheap (about 10%) if i bought them as play mats for children. and in lovely fun colours lol. have had them down in the shop for a few years now and they are holding up really well. just goes to show the mark up when sold to different audiences.
Most of the time those are foam rather than rubber. They're a lot softer on the feet though.
Anyone that has done factory work knows the value of rubber matting on concrete floors.
I am about to build a new shop. Rubber flooring is something to consider.🙂🙂
Thanks for the update! Very much appreciated. Ever since I saw your first video I've been kicking around the idea of a 1/2" plywood subfloor with 1/4" rubber rolls glued to the plywood.
If your floor is fairly flat and level to begin with, I'd suggest looking at DriCore. It comes in 2'x2' squares, which have tongue and groove edges. It's 1/2" of OSB with a 1/4" layer below it that provides cushioning and vapour barrier. If my floor was level, that's the route I'd be going.
Love the update
as to dropping tools, I did much the same in my kitchen with a cork laminate floor, glasses seldom break, I don't grab blades.
nice! Def on my shop list
Love your stuff.
hello, james thanks for your feedback. been into wood working a year ago .. done my bench got a decent set of plane and chisel .. have done some nice project.. this floor could be an improvement.. i do have the sensation to lack some floor grab when taking to much of a plane bite from time to time .. and the chisel drop occur rarly but when it does, it much more something inside me that break than the chisel itself :D but none the less would be happy to have this freeing feeling of "ok, let that fall" you describe
You’ve got me considering it for in my home at this point! I’m gonna research it for my new floor as I just had a flood for the first time since the house was built. Beat 110 year old records by feet and made it into the house. This would be a great solution as I could roll it up and shopvac the water, dry the rubber then roll it back out and do the other end. Puzzle might even be bettter if I mark the pieces on the bottom and mark the house slab. But if Sean’s start to show it could get annoying. I wonder how it would be for flood glued down.
I’m really happy to know that 3/8” is enough! I would have thought tools would puncture that. Time to find some rubber!
No tool dropping could puncture even 1/4 from just being dropped. It is like car rubber tough
@@WoodByWrightHowTo alright alright! Stop selling! 😄
Nice update
I also had an old concrete slab floor in my shop, which was built as a boat house, and it had a center seam. Some fifty odd years later, the middle has lifited, so the sides are a bit lower, opening up,the center seam some what. The biggest issue, it is a slap on ground, no water barrier between the concrete slab and ground. In the winter it would flood, as one side is below grade, and one end, so water poured in on the seam of the concrete knee wall and the slab. After tackling the water ingress, I turned to trying to reduce the moisture coming up from the concrete. I thought of using rubber flooring or horse stall mats, which were available locally, but this would not solve my floor level issue. I did get some shop rubber fatigue mats to put next to my benches and work table. My final solution, as I couldn’t afford to have a new slab poured over the existing one to level it back up, was to get some 1/2” rigid foam construction panels and put down on the floor snd use strips of wood to raise the sides up to get a level surface, and then covered the foam and wood bits with 1.12” plywood sub flooring. This works, Harvey benches and the table saw roll across it quite easily. I added the rubber mats back along the benches and tables, and my lathe, so soften the floor a bit, and catch dropped tools. I too learned the hard way, not try and catch a sharp tool heading for the floor! Your rubber flooring option would have been grand, if my floor had been close to level to start with. Now I have a flat floor surface, that is much warmer to stand on, and less humidity in the shop.
Thanks for sharing you experiences with the rubber flooring. Does the rubber floor effect using the bench for shopping or striking situations, or does the rubber floor not compress when banging on the bench top?
Cheers
In my dads shop he got a 3 inch thick rubber floor for free from his day job it was used to display cars
I agree with all you’ve said James, but there is one more, important benefit which you didn’t mention.
I have rubber flooring mostly because it’s much easier on my back and my feet when working long hours in the shop.
I would mention that for people he is regular shoes. But with the clogs it really doesn't make that big a difference.
Thanks for the great review video. Always great when somebody actually uses the product for a significant amount of time and then does the review. Question: is there a strong rubber smell? Could I use it for flooring in my office to protect the hardwood flooring from the roller chair?
It smelled of rubber for a few days but a week or so later it was gone. Even my white who is very sensitive could not smell it a month later.
Thanks so much for your two videos and recommendation on this flooring. I just installed the 3/8" in my shop. I did a lot of shopping around and comparing. After shipping, this was truly the best deal. They offer coupon codes that will give another 30% or so off as well. Worth every penny! Easier on the body, keeps the shop warmer, and reduces shop noise.
What flooring company did you use?
Thanks
I have the puzzle floor and yeah not worth it. Wish I wouldn't of invested in them all since the seams trap dust and will lift as it works it self in. Next time I'll probably do what you did James.
My basement floor has a huge slope to it (3/4" drop 2' from the wall). I'm planning to level it using 2x4 on edge, contoured to the floor profile, with 3/4" plywood on top. Similar to this video, but instead of infilling with self-levelling concrete I'm going to use the 2x4 on 16" centres to support the plywood. With, of course, vapour barrier under the 2x4.
Here's a simple, cheap and effective system that will provide a great vapour barrier. I used this in a newly built shop and am very happy with the results. It sounds like some additional shimming would be needed in your case.
Regarding the edges: seams to be good…
I think I'm going to go with the puzzle piece tiles. If I damage or badly stain a section, I can turn it over and have a new surface or swap the damged tile(s) to a less noticable spot in the shop. And, if I purchase a few extra I'll have the option to replace. All of my tools are on casters and my biggest concern is being able to relatively easily roll them around and to not damage the floor in the process. Rolling them is nearly effortless on the concrete. I think my table saw is somewhere around 800 lbs. and moves on 3 wheels integrated into the cabinet.
The other thing I was wondering is how effective an insulater it is and whether its insulating qualities are good or bad. My shop is ground level on a slab with a foot or more of crushed stone underneath. The earth gives 55F in a basement. So, am I keeping warmth out of the shop during those times when the heat is off? As it is now with the bare concrete, my shop is consistently 15 degress warmer than the outside air, even if the heat hasn't been on for several days. That makes it easier to get up to temperature when I want to spend time in there.
Hi James,
I really enjoy your channel, and have picked up some very useful tips, and information over the time that I have been following 😀
Do you think that the rubber flooring helps reduce fatigue, especially if you have a long day in the shop?
I ask this because I used to be a chef in some of the high end, prestigious hotels, and restaurants, where we would regularly do very long hours, and the introduction of anti-fatigue rubber mats was made a huge difference at the end of a long day on your feet!
Of course the difference is that they have holes in them, hence the reason for me asking you about your solid rubber flooring.
By the way, I found your recent video on using hand saws, very useful, focusing on elbow alignment has improved my cuts immeasurably 👍😀
Many thanks and kind regards
Rob 😀
New Zealand 🇳🇿
If I were wearing normal shoes, yes it would greatly reduce fatigue.
Your jokes floor me! LOL.
So, ya know, rubber floor is 1/6 of the entire room. Just saying 5 more sides to go. Great video, thanks for the 2 year follow, you make a number of great points. I too have reached for a falling tool, and swung my foot to break the fall.
4:23...... "That's what HE said" 😂
oh man, I love the shirt! I want one!
You just sold me my next shop floor. Seizure disorders are a lot of fun.
I went with PVC locking tiles in my garage shop for several reasons: first, I still have to, on occasion, park my car inside the garage. Second I use a combination of power and hand tools in woodworking and most of my power tools are on carts. I would agree if my shop was not dual use I would of gone with rubber. Great video!
This rubber would be more than strong enough for a car or several hundred pound rolling power tools. It's not the lightweight foam like you see in exercise mats. It's actually advertised as a garage flooring.
Thanks James! I appreciate the info. The one thing you didn't address is fatigue. DId the floor make standing in the shop significantly less taxing? As I age, I find my feet hurting after just a few hours on the concrete! Also... I am a power tool shop, but I am in a small space. Thus my jointer, planer, and my drill press are mobile. Do you think dragging a rather heavy 15" planer around would be an issue? From what you said about moving your bench, I don't think so... Just want your opinion. Thanks again! Keep up the great content!
Dragon big heavy tools around on the floor wouldn't be a problem at all. I forgot to mention fatigue. It's something I don't think about as much with my clogs. As I've never had any problem with the clogs on concrete. But if I'm wearing regular shoes the rubber makes a big difference over straight concrete.
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. I am considering rubber tiles that interlock. Do you see that being harder to clean with the increase in seams? I’m leaning towards tiles over the rolls because it sppears the seams would fit tighter, but maybe that’s not true? Would love to hear your thoughts on this. Thank you.
those are great and so much easer to install. there is no problem as long as they are rubber and not rubber foam.
Anything bests concrete as a woodshop flooring, seems as though nothing beats rubber flooring. 🎉
Great insight. Any thoughts on thick carpet tiles versus rubber flooring?
I wouldn't want to clean up after carpet tiles. But whatever floats your boat I guess.
wonder how it’d hold up to a little welding?
Pretty interesting indeed, James! Thanks for the tip! 😃
What about the new shop? Are you still thinking about it?
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Some day. I do not have the finances for it though.
Did you consider hirse stall rubber mats? They are 4x8 are are very tough yet easy to remove and replace if you need too. I believe they are half inch thick
yes. in some places that is a good Cost affordable method. they are normally 3/4"+ thick but most of the time they cost more per square foot.
I have dricore subfloor panels on my basement shop floor (OSB with a plastic vapor barrier) and I feel the same way as you do about rubber floors. It's such a massive improvement over concrete that it's worth every penny (although when I bought them they cost considerably less than they do now). The one negative that I have experienced with them (and probably applies to rubber flooring as well) is transfer of force into the floor. This generally isn't such a big deal, but when doing something like chopping mortises, I just don't get quite the same power transfer as when the bench was directly on the concrete. I still wouldn't go back to concrete floors, but I have considered cutting out holes so the bench legs could rest directly on the concrete..
I have a similar floor (painted plywood over waterproofing membrane) and I have noticed a few minor chips at the edges of my panels. One thing that these floors can do that the rubber floors cannot do is to lighten the workspace. My plywood floors are painted white and are still making my shop feel lighter and more open despite two years with nothing more than a broom to clean them up. I still have quite a few more years before I decide on a new surface when they get refinished.
It is still far superior to bare concrete for all the reasons mentioned in the video.
Yep, I finally learned not to try and catch falling things unless it's something liquid.
OMG never mind hurting the tool, knocking that plane off the bench made me wince!
Just about to set up a new shop and looking for floor and lighting solutions. I'm oil patch, so rubber matting is easily available on FB marketplace. I'm convinced.
Please don't throw those tools around on camera again. That was uncomfortable.
I put a wood floor in my shop and love it so far... how does rubber compare to a wood floor in the aspects you discussed?
I would put a rubber floor ahead of wood floor and almost every aspect. Better grip better tool drop protection less fatigue. But I would put a wood floor miles ahead of a concrete floor.
Nice!
Awesome review, thank you! I'm considering this option and I wonder how this setup may work in terms of moist. Is there any possibility that perhaps moist would start accumulating beneath the rubber, which would result in mold formation? I suspect my basement is a bit more on a damp side and that in this case what I've described might be an issue... Have you experience that in any degree in your workshop, and what's your thought on this?
I have not had any problem with it.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo That's great :) Thanks for the answer!
I'm floored by this video
they need to make roombas but for workshops :)
also i gorilla tapped my joints as it makes sweeping a bit easier.
One of the big electric tool companies actually made a shop roomba. I want to say it was milwaukee. It was supposed to be able to suck up large amounts of sawdust. But I haven't seen it in a few years.
Nice
i like your shirt.
I only heard you mention briefly something about the fatigue after standing on the floor all day. I am very curious if it does a big difference in leg fatigue and comfortability compared to a concrete floor
if you are wearing normal shoes that is a big difference between concrete and rubber.
Try working on a concrete floor while wearing steel toes. anything but concrete is a blessing whether its a rubber pad or the old timey wooden block floor
Hi, did you apply an adhesive to keep the floor from moving or buckling?
No. The big rolls hold themselves in place. However some of the small pieces I did put down some double-sided tape. But that was only one corner where I had to patch in a small 2x2
do you find the cushion is helpful to your feet and/or back compared to concrete and if so, would the 1/2 inch be better suited for those that have feet/back problems? With 1/2 inch, would rolling/moving things around be more difficult?
I have not noticed the difference but I also wearing wooden shoes.
I know this may not be as much of a concern in a hand tool shop, but I tend to use alot of power tools. Have you noticed any Electric Static Discharge concerns? Or any more noticeable build up of static compared to the concrete?
I have not had any problem with that with my power tools. It's pretty well grounded.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Good to know, thanks!
Does anyone know how well the rolls insulate vs subfreezing temperature floors? Is there a difference there between 1/4 and 3/8?
The store gives them about 1R value per 1/4 in thick. So it's not much but it's something.
Do you have any mildew problems with it being over concrete in a basement?
I do not. However my basement is very dry. I've never had any moisture problems. I do know a few people have had moisture problems in the past but they just run a dehumidifier and it fixes it.
Hi, What are clogs like to work in? No doubt they offer a good level of protection, but does the lack of flexibility make getting them on and off difficult? Are they hot in the warm weather?
they slide on and off there is a lot of slop on the top so you can just slide the feet in and out. I have never had any issue with temperature. They keep my feet warm in the winter, but they do not sweet in the summer. If they are carved well to your foot then there are no pressure points and that makes them extreamly comfortable. you can stand all day on concrete with out problems. here is a video where I show them in action and talk about them a it more. ruclips.net/video/CZETp7LvVOM/видео.html
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Thank you
I’m curious if the rubber stays dented after a machine had sat in one place for a long time. Any experience with this? In my last shop the floor was vinyl tiles on 3/4” plywood, set on flat 2x4 sleepers on 16” centers. When I moved last year there were lots of permanent dents in the tiles.
With hard rubber like this you would have to be talking about something around 3/4 ton sitting on casters for it to dent the rubber.
… and in that situation are the dents then permanent, or do they “bounce back.”
Dave
I don't have experience with them being there long-term. But my assumption would be as soon as you roll it away they would bounce back. The hard rubber is incredibly resilient.
I have considered the rubber horse mats in the past but was worried about the shop smelling like a tire store. Do these have any noticeable smell when first installed? What about after 2 years?
Don't forget that their Eco-Flec rolls are about half the price as the regular ones but are supposed to provide the same performance -- just not as nice looking.
The smell was there for the first week or so but after that you couldn't smell anything at all. In some places horse mats can be cheaper. But around here they were about 50% more than ordering the rolls. But they're also a good bit thicker.
I'm curious, if cost wasn't a factor, would you prefer the rubber over hardwood? I'm planning out a shop build right now and struggling with that decision.
Rubber is far better on my book. Better grip, Noise, protection, etc.
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Thanks for the reply, James! Samples ordered!
Any issues with odor from the rubber?
Nope. The smell was gone and under a week.
Curious how well this handles super hot steel
As in black smithing? It would probably melt around 300-400f
@@WoodByWrightHowTo yea I have a blacksmithing channel.. I have a concrete floor in my shop, and while I don’t drop hot steel often.. it does happen
Seems (no pun intended) like the only benefit of puzzle piece flooring is that if you’re picky about it’s cleanliness you can more easily swap it out.
Would you prefer the rubber floor over a wood floor? You mentioned putting the rubber floor in your dream shop. Does your dream shop have a wood foor? Or a concrete floor?
Rubber is easier to replace. Wood flooring is too finnicky imo. Between moisture, general wear and tear...
Wood is far better then concrete but I would put the rubber above that. Better softness, grip, fatigue protection, sound dampening. Just a better option all around in my book.
It's not even a question comparing the rubber flooring to concrete, but what do you think about the rubber flooring vs wood?
I would take the rubber flooring any day. It's far more protective of dropping tools and it gives far more grip to the feet. But I would pick wood flooring over concrete any day as well.
When you pushed that plane off the bench.............
I wonder if you could put it in a garage and drive on it
yup. I know a few people that do that. the hard rubber will take that no problem.
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Could you have caulked in black?
black is what I used. it just weathers differently then the rubber.