The Crazy 1866 Proposal to Annex Canada
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2024
- One US Representative in 1866 had a crazy proposal for the United States to annex Canada. Thankfully it didn't go anywhere.
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The full proposed bill:
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Excellent video as always.
I can't believe I'm doing this, but I've become too interested, so every video I'm gonna make a video asking for you to do a video about Sarawak. I understand that will probably be very annoying, but it must be done.
So, consider this Day 1 of me asking for a video about Sarawak.
Always like the vids you do about little known history involving maps, I didn't really know about this proposal and I study a lot of history. Thanks and also congratz, glad to be a part of your half a million subscribers. Enjoy your break!
Congratulations
One thing I like about an America annexed Canada scenario is that Canada would inevitably form a distinct culture from the rest of the US, much like the south. Inevitably driving through Canada you'd be seeing people waving the Red Ensign with signs saying "Canada will rise again!"
Yeah back then loyalty to the British was very high, I think you’d have seen a quasi insurgency as a result if they annexed it (back then anyway)
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the true north remains strong & free!!! 🤣😂
Considering that at the time Canada's population was 3 million and the US's 31 milion it would dramatically change Canadian culture and heritage, I'm not sure if there would even be calls for a return to an Independent Canada when in the future most of the population will be immagrants coming from the US. Texans won't admit it but without the two Mexicos being so close to them they would've become a larger Oklahoma without the cultural influence bleeding from both Mexicos.
Except Canadian 'culture' is way more similar to yankee culture than southern culture Is to yankee culture.
Okay, but Finnegan's raids are so hilarious. The plan was to hold Canada hostage and exchange it for Irish independence. Could you imagine *that* timeline?
Irish Canada. Imagine that.
@@concept5631 thats just Newfoundland
@@concept5631 That's not what this would lead to *at all*. If you *read the comment*, the idea was to hold Canada hostage for *irish independence*. Canada would be largely the same (though the US may have capitalized on perceived weakness and taken Canada themselves), except Ireland would be united and free about a century earlier.
@@brutusthebear9050 I am well aware. I was making a joke.
It was a silly plan, but could have done some real damage. The Fenians were mostly Union veterans. On the Canadian side, there was the militia and the regular infantry, neither of which had had much battle experience.
At the battle of Ridgeway in 1866, the militia initially held its own but retreated due to confusion over signals and lack of discipline. The Fenians retreated as well, avoiding a confrontation with the approaching regulars. It didn't help that the Fenian reserves on the American side had also fled in advance of the arrival of a *very* unamused General Grant.
If someone made an alt history mod for HOI4 or whatever and used the names "Canada East" and "Canada West," they'd be laughed out for lazy writing.
It wasnt even the fault of the American drafters - Canada East and West were the actual names of the subdivisions within the United Province of Canada at the time.
They could have used “Ontario” and “Quebec” but apparently not
@@ahhno4662 Not sure how widespread those names would have been at time time (especially in the USA). Quebec referred to both regions in 1760s, but not sure about how popular/well known Ontario was before Confederation. Ontario's bar association even kept the name Law Society of Upper Canada until 2018!
Why didn't they just use Upper and Lower Canada like everyone else?
@@LlamasAtMidnight The names “Upper Canada” and “Lower Canada” were changed in 1840 to become “Canada East” and “Canada West” regions within United Canada colony.
There was also period where America wanted Canadian lands as compensation for the damages caused by confederate ships built in British ship yards during the civil war, but they settled it with cash instead.
Damn DEMOCRAT confederates!
I have this crazy idea that segregation wouldn't have lasted long if they demanded Bermuda and the Bahamas instead (assuming the British would agree to losing their Coalinga stations - which they wouldn't).
Imagine two whole states coming I'm with a majority of the population being free Black's in both. That would put considerable pressure on the Republicans to keep up Reconstruction, or at least honor the 14th Amendment's promise that Congress would accept fewer members in the House in States which restricted voting rights.
@@jeffbenton6183Not sure of the percentage, but the Bahamas had a much larger white population in the 1800s. A lot of them migrated to South Florida over the last half of the 19th century.
@@jeffbenton6183An Interesting Vibe but Likely Very little Change
Just another Puerto Rico to look after
Wow...but no compensation for invading and burning the white house.
Not soon after in 1869 the Dominican Republic asked the U.S. to annex it, the final vote to annex ended up being a tie in the US Senate. Another interesting and much more plausible (albeit smaller) what-if?
since this comment is getting traction I'll say that I learned this from a podcast here on RUclips called "Talkernate History" and their episode on the Banana Wars. They are woefully underrated and if you like history please please please give them the attention they deserve!
Another Puerto rico
Honestly Puerto rico and Dominican republic together might have been enough to actually turn into a state. @@fiorinopizio4554
imagine how many people would be trying to get in from Haiti
@@fiorinopizio4554in the proposal the Dominican Republic would join already as a State. Not a territory
Newfoundland and the Azores also wanted to be annexed at some point.
The wildest part of this is Quebec being given Newfoundland
The Newfoundland insurgency wouldn't have been pretty.
I think the goal was to further dilute the French-speaking population.
Acadians.
Newfoundland was originally french. It would be giving it BACK to Quebec
@@Chrysobubulle Well… it was mostly a toss up between France and Great Britain. Both claimed it and had establishments on the island.
Fears of American invasion were the PRIMARY motivation for Canadian Confederation in 1867. Having a unified government was seen as necessary for defense, both from a standpoint of organization, but also logistically. Central to the agreement of the colonies was the new federal government financing/building the Intercolonial Railway to connect Halifax, Nova Scotia to Quebec (where existing railways connected to Toronto, Ontario). The reason this railway was considered essential wasn't for economic/trade reason; it was so that British regulars could be transported quickly to respond to an American attack. The St. Lawrence River freezes in the winter, making Halifax the only major all-season port. Without the Intercolonial Railway, the British wouldn't be able to reinforce an American attack in late autumn until the following spring, when it might be too late.
Important to keep in mind that at the end of the American Civil War, the US had the largest standing army on the planet. Also, both before & during the Civil War, there had been "unsanctioned" militia actions along the Canadian border with the intension of sparking a war that might unite the US states against a common enemy. There was precedence for that, too, because it was regular citizens getting into cross-border fights that sparked the Mexican-American War just a couple decades earlier.
So, while I agree that this proposed bill that barely saw the light of day in Congress likely had little to do with Canadian Confederation (I'd never heard of the bill prior to this video), the sentiment behind it was ABSOLUTELY a big motivator for Canada's founding.
In the early 1900s a treaty that was somewhat similar to NAFTA between America and Canada was stalled in the senate. It was only passed by a large margin when one senator claimed it would eventually lead to the US annexing Canada. (Naturally Canada immediately pulled out)
Ahhh, the alternative good ol' United States of North America
Home of the French Quebec and Louisiana, the Spanish California, Florida, Texas, and Puerto Rico, the British Northeast, the Russian Alaska, the Indian Nunavut and the Western reservations, and the Polynesian Hawaii.
Dont forget Puerto Rico! And Cuba, Haiti and Dominica, and usually Mexico too
Why would India ever have a stake in the North American continent?
Native american indians. Ever heard of them?@@nathanirick7806
@@nathanirick7806 Student visas from the British Raj
@@nathanirick7806amerikkkans call native americans “indians” for some reason
As a québécois, I'm wondering how a US English mostly protestant population would have felt integrating a French speaking roman catholic population.
Probably would end up like Louisiana, with Montréal becoming a northern New Orleans.
@@kingofhearts3185 Don't forget up here in New England there are plenty of Roman Catholic enclaves, especially of Irish imigrants.
@@BlackBanditXX True, but those are groups that arrived later. The French were already in Louisiana, hence the comparison. But I wouldn't be surprised if NYC and Boston had similar French communities.
Well, think of how the US integrated a Spanish-speaking Roman Catholic population from Texas to California
@@elpito9326 Texas under Spain and later Mexico received some southern English speaking protestant immigrants who later helped the US annex Texas, it's not exactly the same thing.
6:07 - Ironically, if you squint the results of the 1868 election look a bit like the union jack
As a Canadian, I have to say:
...Wait, what?
I would say Albertans got a time machine but they seem to have been eaten by Saskatchewan
@@mozdy7457I don't even think majority of Albertans want to be American, they just feel closer to America because the liberal government is isolating them.
@@dnrspdr03canadian95 They've always been this way... They just forgot about it for a little while during the Harper years.
@@devincross2205 not really bud, as a Canadian I think I know my people, you see more Albertans talking about self governance then joining Biden but okay lol.
@@devincross2205 and even then, their response to self governance is a response to the liberal government isolating Alberta.
They were playing Victoria 2 and using the Liberate-Annex exploit
(you can declare war 1 for the freedom of a nation but just inside a single little state, then declare war 2 on said little nation to annex them because they are so small, then declare war 3 on the big nation again to give the little nation all its core land- accept peace from each at the same time while paused and boom youve annexed the whole of Cananda/Italy/India etc etc)
My Great Grandfather fought in the Canadian Militia that defended against the Fenian Raids.🇨🇦
One ding-dong of an elected official can have the idea to annex Canada that doesn't mean they could have done it. By 1866 the american army was demobilized down to 80,000 soldiers, by 1867 they were down to 20,000. The brits had 220,000 regulars and the massive Indian army of over 280,000 regulars. Re-mobilization probably wouldn't have been possible, half the major cities were in ruins and there was huge social unrest over drafts when the north was fighting for it's existence. This scenario does not take into account the broken state that america was in at the time. They were in no shape to annex territory. They were lucky that Mexico with france's backing didn't try to retake california.
Not to mention the US navy couldn't hold a candle to the Brits.
The Brits were a super power, america was an upstart that just finished killing each other for 5 years.
There was no transcontinental railroad at the time. The Brits could have blocked every major port and reinforced Canada. The only chance the US would have would be to capture Halifax early on to prevent reinforcements. That's assuming america had the will and ability to fight, and after the civil war it didn't.
A fun argument was the 1911 effort at free trade between US and Canada. Canadian Tories warned that such an agreement would be the first step in the US annexing them and the American Speaker of the House Champ Clark stupidly agreed that free trade was step 1 to US absorbing Canada. Tories overwhelmingly won 1911 Canadian election and free trade between US and Canada would have to wait until 1988.
Just think, 77 years earlier US Canada free trade. Much much deeper economic integration.
Protip: Don't say the quiet part out loud.
Honestly would have been better with no free trade, the Yankees can go back down south where they belong
I guess the whole of the civilised world can think their lucky stars that this never happened.
California having 5 electoral votes is hilarious!
A certain portion of the population would be thrilled at such a concept
My favorite Clive Cussler book is Night Probe where the joining of the US and Canada is the main plot. They go digging through the Empress of Ireland to find a piece of paper.
The main reason the USA couldn't invade Canada before the 20th century
1. The USA does not have a unified army, the USA relies heavily on volunteers in each state.
2. The territory of the USA is already very large and has not been well consolidated, especially the newly conquered western regions
3. Relations with Britain have benefited the USA, so there is no need to invade Canada anymore because the USA and Canada are already integrated with each other.
The Civil War rectified all that. Conscription, and federal income tax to fund it, created a huge army for the union. Rail networks crisscrossed the north and a transcontinental railroad had been finished.
Also the British empire had no idea how to fight a peer army. They spent the decades after napoleon fighting colonial conflicts. When ww1 started, everyone was marching into machine gun fire. The us army had been bloodied in the Civil War, it had faced cannons and repeating rifles. A British invasion would trip over itself.
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"Couldn't fight a peer army" except for that time they beat the russians, who had a far better army then the union ever did less the a decade earlier.
Also there is the slit issue that most of the us guns were made in Britain, most of the unions gunpowder came from British India, and that despite the income tax 72% of government revenues were from trade tarrifs.
@cpob2013
@@cpob2013 think about the number of deaths and injuries during and after the civil war, not to mention the infrastructure and social damage in the states affected by the war. The USA was not at all confident in fighting against Britain at that time, remember the British Navy could land troops anywhere. When the USA had built a navy strong enough to challenge Britain at the beginning of the 20th century, the US political leadership instead made an alliance with Britain which closed the possibility of conquering Canada. The only legal way to conquer Canada is to create a pro-USA political party whose ultimate goal is none other than to include Canada as part of the USA. But doing that would be the same as killing the alliance with Britain because the current British king also has the title of King of Canada.
The British likely wouldn’t have put up a fight for Canada. India certainly, but Canada was not worth it like in 1812. What’s more likely to happen is that the U.S. marches in and fights the Canadian militia but Britain does nothing but ask for compensation. The royal navy was in the middle of refitting itself due to the invention of ironclads and the British army was stretched thin and also in the middle of rearming to adopt breechloaders.
I would think that, once the purchase of Alaska concluded, it and the Territory of Columbia would swap territory in two ways:
1. The Territory of Columbia gets everything east of the 140th Meridian (roughly matching up with British-Canadian claims on Russian Alaska); Alaska could be compensated with everything north of the 60th Parallel (basically granting it the vast Yukon)
2. The District of Alaska gets everything north of the... I'm not sure exactly what Parallel (based off Wikipedia, it's somewhere between the 55th and 54th), but if you drew a straight line a few miles south of Wales Island, BC, this is what I'm referring to. Would definitely shrink Columbia but it would also likely make Alaska a territory sooner with the gold rushes that come in the later decades.
Choice 1 would never have worked at the time, since at that point, like 90% of the non-native population lived in the Alaska panhandle. You would be trading away basically all that was important in Alaska at that point.
@@thomasrinschler6783 True, I don't think Choice 1 was particularly a good option either, and the splitting of Rupert's Land just feels a bit odd (granted, most US territories were at some point). I'd just like to see a follow-up to this video.
thats 5th colomnia though
Thank you for your video, i learn that Akimiski Island was a Nunavut land instead of Ontario.. almast all island of the Hudsan bay and Ungava bay area part of the Nunavut .
Nunavut, not Nanavut
@@colinvickers1191 Thanks, i correct it. 😊
That juicy artic border has me drooling, and not even 10 seconds later,,,
"Creating the giant US controlled map that everyone always foams at the mouth over."
Wait? Drool? Over those borders? Me?! No way. hahaha
unless...
Maine will march for our rightful territory. The greater lobster empire!
except lobsters are only catchable on the coast, where their was no border dispute 🤪 sorry mainah here
@@awesomeguyat7771 Also here, why I said "our"
Maine is the Massachusetts of *CANADA!!!* 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Pancakes and cheeseburgers for everyone!
Newfoundland being corralled into joining Canada IRL was bad enough, being lumped in with Quebec in this timeline is somehow _worse._
I don’t think they would ever have been able to take Newfoundland anyway. The Royal Navy would halt any attempt.
In this timeline, Newfoundland remains British and becomes the last bastion of Canada. Horrifying.
@@Adsper2000 truly the Taiwan of the West.
couldn't type that with a straight face lmao
@@Adsper2000Newfoundland wasn’t Canada until 1949, so all of Canada would be under US control in that time period.
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The Finnians remained a thing for a while. A Finnian shot Thomas D'arcy Magee in 1868, Canada's only political assassination until Pierre Laport in 1970 during the FLQ crisis.
Wasn't there also a second guy killed in 1970 by the FLQ?
@@Hisscreeper46 No, British Trade Commissioner James Cross was eventually released by his captors.
And yes, I had to check Wikipedia to confirm details, as I had only turned three at the time of the October Crisis, and really have no memory of that time.
Thomas D'Arcy McGee (1825 - 1868) was assassinated because it was thought he had betrayed the cause of Irish statehood.
McGee when he was in his early 20s was a member of a Irish radical organisation called Young Ireland. He was involved in the unsuccessful insurrection in 1848 and had to flee the country.
The IRB in the 1860s was a continuation of the Young Ireland party. "Fenian" is a modern pronunciation of Fianna, an army that protected ancient Celtic Ireland.
Fenians.
You should be careful saying that Trudeau's government is horrible. Because a worst government could be formed.
Tories: You rang?
That’s right, Freeland could be PM.
What made the oldest (and really lucky) child develop such a toxic attitude to its mother and younger sister?
Boy, u' sure got a purdy prairie...
(banjo plays song from Deliverance)
0:24 That's completely untrue. Between 1859 and 1874 there were serious concerns about a possible british-american war over todays British Columbia, aka Greater Oregon.
Plus changing the borders here and there and taking advantage over the other always dominated british and american expansionist policies up to the Pacific.
This back and forth diplomatic sausage wraggling caused how the border as it is today. Both sides used targeted settlement policies to raise claim for "uninhabited" territories, skirmishes between the locals were not rare, etc...
Have the british their way fully and they will take a huge chunk out of the Praerie and who knows how much states down south west of the Rockies.
Or at least todays State of Washington and Oregon annexed to Canada.
Have the US their way and an independent Quebec is not out of the table, with the anglo-saxon territories being annexed.
Or at least an expanded State of Oregon might came to be to in today's British Columbia.
Good comment.
I struggled to read that but yes, the current border might conceivably have ended up in a few different places.
And if that had happened think how far people from Surrey would have to drive to get cheap milk.
Grant's threats to annex areas that are today southern saskatchewan and alberta due to lawlessness is what in part led to the NWMP.
Interesting perspective on the pre-Confederation annexation concerns of the British North American Colonies. The Fenians (pronounced "Feenians" as it was an Irish political movement) unsuccessfully attacked New Brunswick (NB) in 1866. The result of this military threat was a provincial election resulting in a change of the NB government from anti to pro-Confederation. That made the politically stalled Confederation project viable and colonial politicians from Canada West, Canada East, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia headed to Great Britain to negotiate with the Imperial Government to create the British North America Act (BNA Act) later in 1866. The BNA Act came into effect by royal decree on July 1st, 1867 creating the Dominion of Canada.
Was anyone else expecting Cody to hop in at the end?
Yes he's the king of "Lets annex Canada"
Oh my. Where to start on this video. First of all, the United States already tried to annex Canada. Twice. The first was during the American Revolution when Benedict Arnold was sent up to Montreal to try to conquer BNA. He failed miserably and this is one reason he defected back to the British.
The second was during the War of 1812, which lasted from 1812 to 1814. The Americans once again tried to conquer what is now Quebec and failed. The war ended with minor territorial concessions to the Americans from the British, but was mainly a stalemate.
Canada was never, ever called the "Confederation of Canada," Confederation was an action, specifically the action of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Quebec, and Ontario joining together to firm the Dominion of Canada.
The subject of annexation of all or part of Canada is quite common in alt-history fiction. For example, in 1996 the table top role-playing game (TTRPG) GURPS published a supplement entitled 'Alternate Earths', containing six different world scenarios, the first being one of those "The South survived" scenarios simply called 'Dixie'. In it, after the war, a vengeful US meddles in the Red River Rebellion, and helps Louis Riel and his followers establish the Republic of Manitoba, encompassing all of Western Canada, in 1872. Nearly 40 years later, the Republic of Manitoba is absorbed into the US, eventually split into four states:
- Columbia (British Columbia and Yukon)
- Athabaska (Alberta and western portion of the Northwest Territories)
- Saskatchewan (with the eastern portion of the Northwest Territories)
- Manitoba ( with Nunavut, although the map doesn't stipulate whether Baffin Island is included or not)
To quote from a Canadian friend of mine: "We Canadians do have a bit of an identity problem between the English and French speaking parts of our country however there is one thing that we both agree on: We are NOT American. Nor do we ever want to be". 🙂
They will change their minds when given the type of freedom we have
@@angrypastabrewing
"Freedom"? Canada ranks well above the USA in the International Freedom Index.
They don't need Armed Guards at their schools. Their Students do not need Bullet Proof Backpacks or have to practice Shooter Drills. The average Canadian is only 20% as likely to be killed in an incidence of gun violence as the average American. Their women have control over their own bodies and their reproduction and are not having those dictated to them by a bunch of right wing Bible Bashers.
You would be well advised to watch Jim Jeffries "Freedum" video if you think that the USA is the most "Free" country in the world. It isn't. Never has been. And the sooner that you guys realise that then the better your country will be.
@@andypandy9013The Freedom index doesn’t account for the quality of freedoms given, only quantity of freedoms.
Simply put Canada could ban all forms of public protest and still rank higher in the freedom index than countries with total free speech.
Remember quality should be how freedom is measured, not by quantity like the freedom index.
In terms of actually comparing the two with quality of freedom the U.S. ranks higher as the freedoms given by the U.S. have far less limits.
Canada while on paper is more free has so many restrictions that the U.S. actually is freer then Canada.
@@andypandy9013
Going into your second point on abortion the reason why the right wants to ban it is because they consider the fetus as a living human being.
It’s most complicated in the U.S. as while the founders didn’t address abortion older laws count the killing of pregnant women at any stage of pregnancy as a double Homeside.
This is a big deal because the U.S. defines it’s legality on what the founders intended and would want us to do today.
Simply put it’s not people trying to control women and force them to live a certain way. The issue is whether the hundreds of years of laws based on the founding fathers christian view of life is scientifically true. If it is true then abortion must be banned federally, if not then many criminal laws would need to be rewritten.
Additionally I would like to say that’s a good example of quality of freedom as being allowed to abort with limits is different to being allowed to abort without any limits.
Such as limits on time you can abort depending on stage of development, the form of abortion and so on.
Canada gaining independence in a more secular era allowed for a less Christian more govern democratically type view being adopted.
Obviously both nations have their issues but they differ greatly because of the time they gained independence. If Canada gained independence at the same time as the U.S. it’d look more alike in terms of laws.
You anglos (Americans and Canadians) are a threat to my people @@angrypastabrewing
I was raised amongst anglos in Niagara and learned to see myself as the other because thats how we're treated.
We are Quebecois.
As a Canadian I find this amusing. My understanding of Canadian history and politics is that up until 1970s, or there abouts, the borders were pretty porous anyway.
Lots of people from Canada moved south and lots of people from the U.S. moved North at will.
Most Canadian now would not be amenable to an amalgamation.
One of the worst things a politician in Canada can be accused of is imitating our Neighbours to the south.
It would take some sort of crisis, either military or socio-economic, for modern Canadians to accept the idea.
More important: Americans wouldn't take us. We would all vote Democrat so Republicans would block it.
Yeah, as a Canadian I hear scenarios like that and it immediately awakens my fight or flight instinct and channels my inner war criminal
Anti Americanism is more of an Eastern Canadian thing.
Perfect pronouncement of Saskatchewan. 👍 good job.
How would you pronounce it?
Our dedicated boys keeping the peace in newly annexed Canada, 2077
please lets do this this century
Great video!
I’d like to see them try now. We’d lose for sure, but we might scratch a few more items off the Geneva Checklist.
It’s interesting to play out the hypothetical populations in vast swaths of western Canada as well as cities like Calgary or Edmonton had the US seized much of Canada. .
There was talk about just that back in the 1960s. However, it didn't come in the form of an annexation it came in the form of a merger. They even pondered a new mane for the new nation that would come out of that. I can't remember all the ideas that was bounced around.
Well now I know what to do next time I play Vic2
Very interesting.
Truly, a genius before his time.
An idea whose time has come - let's do it, at least Alberta.
Under the plan, the people of British Canada would be allocated 29 Representatives, making them as a political force (albeit in four states) 2nd in number only to NY (31).
If such a unification occurred today, the ex-Canadians would rank 1st. (Govt population estimates: Canada 41.1m (Apr. '24); California 39.0m (Jul. '23).)
History would have wildly different
As interesting than annexation of Canada would be the alternative for it being even larger at Confederation by having the UK taking from Denmark both Greenland and Iceland in the Napoleonic Wars (along with Danish Virgin islands) and the armed Hudson's Bay Company being instructed to evict Russian trade settlements in Alaska at the time of the Crimean War 1853-56.
I remember in the 1990s when Quebec was seriously considering leaving Canada there was some leaked info about preliminary discussions in the Maritime Provinces about possibly joining the US since they would be cut off from Canada and had some cultural similarities to parts of New England... but I haven't really heard or seem anything about it since... I think it was very thoroughly covered up....
1:25 ain't you Nathaniel B?
I grew up around Detroit and had plenty of family in SW Ontario. Used to tease my Canadian cousins incessantly about when Canada was going to become the 51st state. LOL
Another reason for tension was the CSS Alabama and other Confederate warships which were built in Britain.
Alternate histories will never not be exciting lol
As a Canadian, this utterly terrifies me.
Get back on your reservation and crank out the syrup.
~"Your going to treat Quebec equally, whether you like it or not!"~
@@joshuabessire9169😂
The USA Government cannot allow you having public universal healthcare
A great idea.
You forgot to mention the Rebellion of 1836
Fort Wayne in Detroit was built to defend against Canada, but the final treaty was signed before completion.
They should have done it. Hopefully it will still happen some day.
I have a feeling that may be possible because the Canadians don’t like Justin Trudeau. He silenced out the truck driver protesters, I think because I haven’t heard a word about them in a few years
There was an oregon territory or oregon country used by hbc w a Vancouver on Columbia River. It went fm Redding cal oregon wash and bc Alberta rocky mts. Montana Idaho Jackson hole red lodge mt, Yellowstone River Helena east were part of it.
Parts of east oregon want to rejoin it by going under idaho
You missed one invasion. The Battle of the Windmill was fought from 12 to 16 November 1838 near Prescott, in Upper Canada, and ended in a defeat for the invaders (known as Hunters) from the US. One month later, the Battle of Windsor put an end to the American incursions and Canadian rebellion. This was the first time the US Navy and Army worked with the militias and British regulars from Upper Canada with the Royal Navy to stop the republicans known as "Hunters" from the attempted invasion.
'the odds of that happening were basically near zero by the 1840s'
*Fenian raids intensify*
Yeah, and the possibility of an American invasion was a big factor as to where the capital of the newly formed Dominion of Canada was put. There was still a fear, but I do not know how legitimate those fears were.
Realistically we were still extremely sus on eachother up until ww1.
Territory of Saskatchewan: _"Hey little Texas, look at me !"_
Madison also considered annexing Canada in the war of 1812.
your voice makes me want to clear my throat
hold on ain't you nathaniel b
Apart from the Fenian raids, (which were thwarted at the border, as a British spy held command of one of the attacking forces), you fail to recognize the Confederate raid into Vermont, (by a group organized by the Confederate Secret Service), that heightened tensions between the United States and the British Empire. Three banks were robbed at St. Albans with one civilian being killed; and, the raiders escaped back to Canada. The United States tried several times to extradite these raiders as criminals, but failed, as they were "under orders" as soldier to rob the banks. John Wilkes Booth was briefly involved with the Confederate Secret Service, but he failed to find support for his idea of capturing Abraham Lincoln and taking him into the South.
It’s not too late!
The whole purpose of Canada existing is a symbol of loyalty to British crown in North America
lol that gray shade of the water in the thumbnail made me think i was seeing Somalia and Ethiopia
Banks played a prominent role in my dissertation but let me offer some background info. While he is generally written off as a failed political general from the war, Baks was a very prominent early Republican who often held the middle ground. He was speaker of the House and served three terms as governor. Had it not been for VP Hamlin nixing him in favor of Gideon Welles, Banks was penciled in for a spot in Lincoln's Cabinet. While he can be dismissed as an opportunist, Banks was generally consistent in international affairs, favoring a muscular foreign policy and favoring the annexation of as much territory as possible. From his perch on the Foreign Affairs Committee, which he did wield the gavel on, Banks was a key supporter of the Alaska purchase. He was a force on Capitol Hill for many years and a proposal from him like this would garner some attention.
Wow. Imagine where we’d be today in Zamboni technology.
Someone must have reminded them of what happened when they tried it in 1812.
It's there any small desire for the two nations uniting now?
Banks was probably still smarting from the spanking he took during the Red River Campaign.
5:01 oh yeah look how beautiful it would be!
I always wondered why the St Lawerence did not end up as the Canadian USA border?
Perhaps because mountain chains are better natural borders than rivers? 🤔
imagine how mad someone in texas or alabama would be in this timeline, that you don't get to vote in the presidential elections while some random chunks of land just annexed do
_sweats Canadianly_
we definitely should have
The mormon prophet Joseph Smith proposed inviting Canada as well as Mexico to join the usa. It was part of his platform when he tried to run for president of the US in the 1830s. He also wanted to end slavery and predicted the civil war as being caused by the slave question with the rebellion of the south starting with South Carolina this was also in the 1830s
The Leaf fears the Samurai
You might not have then got Alaska. As I understand, the Russian Empire sold Alaska to the USA, at least in part because it wanted a buffer between itself and the British Empire. If Canada is annexed into the USA, then there’s no longer a need for buffer. In fact, the vodkaholics might have thought they needed a buffer from the USA.
It’s only a matter of time
There were at least 15 regiments of the British Army based in British North America during and for a time after the American Civil War. Plus, the Canadian Militia. So, an attempt to annex Canada by force would not have been 'easy'.
Didnt this happen in the Fallout Universe around 2060?
1:24 Holy shit Nathaniel B
i have the high ground!
You should look at Article XI of the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union.
…which was abrogated just twelve years later!!
Very few people afforded to live in Canada, until by the way, today. Its inhospitable, most of the year. Could have been done if someone in 1866 cared for Canada.
Finally, our Saskatchewan thirst for vast dominion will be realized! 💪🏻 🌾
So you're telling me we're 158 years overdue for a spot of northward expansion?
Stand down, Yankee
@@rocksandforestquiver959 It's okay homie, we'll bring you freedom and democracy ❤
@@SomasAcademy lol do you realize how many more mountains, trees and caves we have than the Taliban did? 😂
@@rocksandforestquiver959 Yeah but the Taliban actually knew how to use those, most of y'all live in the suburbs just like your future compatriots down south lol
@@SomasAcademy Yeah but you'd be surprised what like 20 000 angry Canadian woodsmen could accomplish in a country with such weak infrastructure, exposed supply lines and massive swathes of wilderness ;)
Plus, after one winter on duty in Ontario pretty much any soldier in your forces from south of Ohio will be ready to mutiny. And don't get me started on the blackflies 😂
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