Revealing the Zelda Music SECRET That Was Hidden for 26 Years
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- This is the most Overlooked Zelda Music References by far. In Ocarina of Time, Zelda's Lullaby finds its way into the theme of a character hidden from Ganon. Koji Kondo, the composer of Zelda 1, Zelda A Link to the Past, and Zelda Ocarina of Time, snuck an end game spoiler into the music. And no one noticed...
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"If you haven't figured it out by now" my MAN we have been waiting twelve minutes we knew what this was about from the thumbnail
LIES! XD .... i always knew
This is all taken from the analysis already made by the channel Official Music Tracks. So no, the secret was already revealed
Thank you for saving 12 minutes of my life.
Thanks for saving me from this vid
Thank you. Im getting sick of these pointless ramble videos
Childhood is when you complain about the OG Zelda theme not being in Ocarina; adulthood is when you learn it was hidden there the whole time.
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@@ZeldaMusicTheoryI’m just trying to get you to see this. The US and JP soundtracks differed in Zelda 2, and I was told it was due to the English localization team in the US being tasked with reworking it. I do believe this to be the case and them paraphrasing Zelda I for the purpose of music continuity, which I think Japan has overall less recognizable versions of the soundtracks but it is concluded that Koji Kondo didn’t compose the songs we are familiar with
Man being able to find out shiek’s real identity with the lens of truth would have been terrific
@pol7671 but then it would have ruined the surprise but yes I would have found it funny if you used it on Shiek and a dialogue of Zelda saying something about it
Her either immediately poofing away the moment you pull out the lens and aim it at her, have a dialogue akin to "hey watch where you aim that thing, spies of Ganondorf are everywhere", or even simply seeing the spoiler would be amazing. Because players don't normally think to do such a thing to PEOPLE in the game, so it'd be HUGE to find such a thing back in the day.
remind me of an opportunity to use the Lense of Truth around Sheik
I knew the whole time and I told my kids in super smash bros that shiek is the princess that's why they can change back and forth
Lore-wise, Shiek probably knew you'd get the Lens at some point and would avoid Link using it on her.
Or it could have been a really cute addition if a cut-scene was included where Link playfully used it on her. lol
I liked how Midna’s Lament and Link’s theme intertwine eachother during Midna’s desperate hour.
That's probably the best set piece moment in any LoZ game
Midna is the best!
Yeah that song goes soo hard. I honestly wish that moment was a bit a more impactful. And it wasn’t interrupted by enemies…
I still haven't realized that. I just really liked that piece.
@@Link-ji7kx You could've found some corner to sit in so you could listen to it. I was on a bit of a deadline so I had to rush it anyway 😂
Oh I DEFINITELY read the "music theory nerds ONLY" part and genuinely appreciated it
omg PLEASE!
dude same
Count 4
Please? i could watch an hour of that!
Same so good
This is why I listen to Zelda music so much there’s always something hidden in it. Sooo amazing
since your last upload i’ve actually been admitted and am now halfway through my second semester of music school and i understand a lot more about how chord progressions and stuff work now which is awesome! Missed your stuff dude
congrats from a fellow musician about music school!
More congrats from another fellow musician in music school!
hell yeah :)
Hahaha well if this is the super nerdy section feel free to ask more advanced questions about music in general and I can probably help provide examples in Zelda music to illustrate. Thats my musical upbringing and I do have a degree in music.
@@ZeldaMusicTheoryIm actually Majoring in Game and Interactive Media Scoring, so these sorts of analysis on character motifs and methods behind the scenes is the stuff I’m gonna do a lot of over the coming years!
That is a fantastic catch!
During your hiatus, I discovered a reference that I had never seen mentioned before. The first three notes of Midna's theme (not Midna's Lament, though the two are related and the notes occur there too) can be found in the background of the original Dark World theme from A Link to the Past. At about 15 seconds in, there's a three-note phrase, quieter than the main melody, that seems identical to the first three melody notes of her leitmotif. Given the obvious thematic connections between the Twilight and the Dark World, I'm sure it's deliberate.
100%, I heard this about midway through last year and wrote a script for that video. It came about because the start or A button sound in a lot of games (including BOTW and TOTK) is the same. Like “CGD” in the key of C. And I heard it in Dark World theme and thought maybe the Twilight Princess vibe, “dark world” idea was referencing ALTTP. So I 100% agree with you and will definitely cover it at some point. Great discovery! And this is exactly the type of stuff I want to know, so ty for sharing.
Wow. There's so many visual and audio references in this video, I doubt anyone knew all of them before watching. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks so much! I work pretty hard to provide a lot of value with each video.
Two things to point out.
1. Although the canon Shiek is just Zelda in a costume, in the Ocarina of Time Manga, Impa casts a Sheikah magic spell to physically transform Zelda into a male body. That little bit added to the confusion.
2. I took a cursory glance at this channel's videos and did not see anything specifically referencing the fact that the Skyward Sword theme, "Ballad of the Goddess" is actually just the core notes of "Zelda's Lullaby" played backwards. That would be a fun video to make.
Whaat I never noticed that about Sheik's theme. That's awesome, great stuff man
Glad to have you back kevin I've missed these videos but good to see it's the usual top quality still!
Most of these musical connections are noticed in the back of my mind, and when pointed out, give me the 'so THAT'S why I recognise it'
It's really a testament to how powerful music can be that hearing sounds and songs you associate with meaningful characters and moments brings you back and makes you feel them all over again. I started tearing up hard hearing the Dragon Roost Island leitmotif in Colgera's fight and even just watching this video hearing a couple seconds of Midna's Lament brought me back to when I was 10 years old playing Twilight Princess for the first time and being genuinely worried that my friend was gonna die. That moment is when I fell in love with Zelda and it's a big reason why TP is still my favourite to this day, the emotional weight of that story hits you like a freight train sometimes and the stakes are so much more personal than other Zeldas. You're not just trying to save the world, you're trying to protect your friends, the ones you've grown up with and the ones you've made along the way.
I cried reading that comment 😢❤
And when the world wanted him the most... He returned... and I'm all for it
How cool! I never would have noticed it on my own, but when I heard it-chills. I’m so glad you’re back!
It's not a harp but a lyre! Sheik theme appears in shrine theme of Breath the Wild but also at the end of Tears of the Kingdom in the postcredit scene!
Thanks for this video I really loved it! I had never noticed for Zelda lullaby in Sheik's theme!
Good point about the lyre- can you send the shrine reference? I do have the TOTK ending reference noted.
Oh yeah was there a good theory for why Sheik's theme was in the TotK postcredit scene?? I can't remember
@@ZeldaMusicTheory sorry in Shrine theme of TOTK not BOTW I don't know why I wrote BOTW.. but you can hear a glimpse of it in your own video at 11:21 ;)
I remember since I finished TOTK in June I was screaming at everyone saying there is a sample of Sheik theme in TOTK postcredit scene and no one was listening to me 😂 and then now people theorise about it
@@ZeldaMusicTheory ruclips.net/video/g5p7dGdchd0/видео.htmlfeature=shared and here is the proof I'm not lying about me telling everyone about it 😂 here is the postcredit scene video that I myself commented more than 6 months ago highlighting the moment of Sheik's theme (there is a tiny modification of it but it's clearly a reference)
@@ZeldaMusicTheoryfor the shrine I admit that it's not exactly the same but I find these notes very reminiscent of the Sheik's theme
Great video man.
Thanks for this! It’s funny how a game franchise focused on secrets even has secrets hidden in the music. Almost poetic
Great catch and great video - production and density of references and takeaways on point!
My brothers and I noticed this as kids when we played it. I think it would be safe to say we were not the only ones.
Often, when tired or stressed, I'll let out three little yawns that match the first three notes of Sheik's theme. Then I start humming the rest. It always relaxes me.
Now I learn the iconic Zelda's Lullaby is hidden in there. My favourite Zelda tune just got more favouriter.
I had noticed most of these music references hidden in other themes, but some of them I didn't know and they blew my mind. Subscribed!
Very well done presentation, glad to have you back
Great to see you back man! Absolutely wonderful editing! Keep it up, thanks!
Welcome back! You were my favorite discovery of 2023 and I am ready to see your channel grow even more with the high quality content you provide :)
Great vid! I noticed a while back that the opening chords in ALttP's Lost Woods and OoT's Forest Temple also match each other - haven't seen anyone mention that one yet, but another super cool call-back
That’s true!
Thank you, Kevin, for what you do. Amazing video. Im very glad you have returned to the youtube scene.
Ahhh I haven’t even watched the video yet but I’ve been checking your channel obsessively to see if you’ve posted yet. So glad you’re back! Your videos are amazing!
Welcome back. Glad to see more content.
I love how enthusiastic you are about things like this. Love your presentation!
Welcome back Kevin, mind blowing as always!
Welcome back, Kevin! Missed you so much! 🎉
Hey dude, you're back! I've missed seeing your videos pop up! Live for Zelda music. Can't sleep without it.
Also...this is insane.
I like the insight you provided for Sheik's Theme along with other aspects of this series! I'm a good Zelda fan, yet even I learned something from this!
Glad to have you back!
I have seen the big icebergs of zelda ocarina of time, I have played this game so many times, seen so many secrets, seen the speedrun glitches, and STILL after so many years you still could impress me with new content about the game. I am impress
Happy to finally see you back making content!!!! Awesome way to male a return. Looking forward to more of your videos!!
Subbed, my dude. I've always had an appreciation for people like you who take their time and meticulously sift through the lovable things developers of games put into their craft. As a Zelda fan, I've always been in awe at the references each game had to their predecessors. The nostalgia it creates adds to the excitement of once again taking control of our titular hero, Link. We aren't just going in blindly gaming but treated with memorabilia throughout the entire franchise.
Yeah man! That's been one huge positive thing from the music of TOTK and BOTW. Tons of callbacks and little hidden gems. I have really enjoyed it.
Amazing discover. Glad you're back
HE'S BACK
This was awesome. As always, love how you break down the musical references. The one for sheik nearly blew my mind 😂
Welcome back man, love your content
This was great! Thanks! Happy for a new video from you!
Shiek’s theme is my all time favorite. Thanks for the video.
I did realize this, as i was playing ocarina of time music on piano like 14 years ago. but i really REALLY thought people noticed this already. still always glad to watch your videos! video game music is super underrated by people who dont play em! my personal fav game sountrack is legend of manas :P
glad to have you back!
Great video as always
Zelda's Theme hidden in Sheik's Theme? Yeah, I noticed that some years ago. I just never talked about it.
Yes, me too. When I was a kid, I could tell right away that Sheik was Zelda. I assumed that we as players were supposed to be in on the secret.
Same here - I just heard it in the beginning of the theme instead, which are the notes of Zelda's lullaby in another order and a different key.
good to see you back again. great video!
I've played this game so much in my childhood that I actually realized that Zelda's lullaby bit in Sheik's theme before the reveal, and the Sun song part as well.
Before I would play but never finish the game, I would mostly reset everything for whatever reason but I remember connecting that more with Impa since to me both were protecting Zelda, but I didn't give much thought to it back then so the plot twist still was mind-blowing to me when I got there.
The Link to the Past intro/Godess cutscene link just blew my mind!!
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Just read your Music Theory @ 1:41. Love it! This really is a special channel. I think Zelda music and Final Fantasy Music are top tier in the gaming annals of history. Chrono Trigger, too.
Thank you so much! I love Zelda and learning about music ❤ glad to see it's been formative and inspired others!
Fantastic video as usual! Blows my mind how deep the references and hints in the music go, I love learning this stuff about my favourite games. Also that Forest Temple theme remix is sick!
I know isn’t that remix so amazing?? Jokabi and Gamechops. I meant to put a shoutout. I’ll add one to the description.
Thank you brother! Great video. Love your insight
So glad you're back! Nice humor, visual editing and interesting facts once again! The fact about Hyrule Field combining Zelda 1 AND 2, amazing!!! Koji Kondo really is a boss.
I miss the 90's / early 2000s video game discussions. 😂Debating about Sheik/Zelda and playing as Luigi in Super Mario 64.
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I gotta give huge props to the editing done at 4:51 that really shows off the link between the three themes
Thank you! Probably took me an hour and a half on that part alone. 🤣 Even the LEFT RIGHT ears shift if you were wearing headphones.
This tickled my music nerd and Zelda nerd fancies so hard. I didn't realize so many other people loved this music this deeply or were so inspired like I was. As a very young child I became obsessed with this music! Brilliant video. Loved every second.
Whoa that was a very insightful video, thanks for making it
I saw the Hyrule Field references covered in detail on the Legendary Adventures podcast!
Might be neat to look at his video and see what you think, because they admit they were struggling at a few points. IIRC they were referencing some kinda forgotten source with no audio/visual coverage.
You definitely have the musical know-how to explain it better, but I can't recommend that little channel enough. Its peak cozy Zelda pleasantness.
Best Zelda Easter egg video I have seen in years
I like how the flute theme from _Zelda 2_ that was later used in the title screen for _Ocarina_ was also used for _Mario Bros. 3_ 's Warp Whistle. I also really dig "Totaka's Song". There are always lots of cool little nods in game music and it's a blast to pick up on them over the years.
I needed this today.. Thank you man!
You got it!
That's a great video man. Congratulations, i'm very glad that i encoutered your channel. Thanks to you 4 bringing excelent content to the world.
Sooo cool how you dissected this and showed us all things that we all love and might not have been able to see if any of us are not so musically inclined as the next… this was awesome!!! Things I thought I could hear but wasn’t sure if it was just me or actually made this way. Thanks for this!!!! Love the content!!!
Glad you’re back
Oh wow. I learned so much from this video. Koji Kondo really is amazing with what he can do with music (also Manama Kataoka). I noticed the sheikhs references, but not Zelda’s lullaby in sheiks theme. So cool
Nice! I like how you overlay audio from both games to show the comparison. 💪
I haven’t heard any comments so far until this one- I wonder if most people watch on their phone without headphones. I enjoyed splitting into left and right ear to really amplify the differences.
Awesome content!! Being a musician myself, it's cool to see a channel dedicated to the music of my favorite game series! Keep up the good work and keep those videos coming!!
I have no idea how you made this so emotional but I love it.
Thanks again for another amazing video! I read your little note and I'm hyped for what's coming!
Killer commentary. Excited to hear what else I missed.
Nice to see you back :)
So glad you're back!
And I haven't noticed as well. Consider my mind blown, which doesn't happen often.
Deep down though, Sheik's Theme always seemed... familiar.
THE RETURN OF THE KING!!!!! Fantastic video as always!! Blew my mind!!!!
I love your channel and your videos. Thank you!!
I've missed your videos so much!!!
I love your channel, dude. The way you explain things is great and now with those visual edits. Wow! I don´t know jack about music theory and all so this is amazing. By the way I think there's a hint of Zelda's Lullaby in Win Waker's Opening Theme and Credits. WW's music is amazing. Would love to see you talk about it.
Glad you're back! :D
I've noticed the sheik one before but the hyrule field reference is amazing. that melody is so catchy
I've been critical of your work in the past (it was a while ago, admittedly), but I have to say your content has really improved a lot. Particularly the more in depth music discussions and comparisons is very well done. I think the fact that Shiek and the Gerudo have the same voice sound effects is actually one of the more interesting hints about Shiek's identity than anything else.
Hahaha thanks for the honesty! Sometimes people forget I’m just a dude filming out of my garage and editing 40 hours during evenings and weekends while working two jobs with a wife and daughter and no experience in recording, editing, etc.
But I LOVE Zelda and its music and am very passionate about sharing these concepts with more people. And there are a lot of things I wish I could get more into, like deeper music theory concepts. But I’m very intentional with working RUclips to ensure I keep growing and reaching people. And that means doing videos people will click and continue to watch.
I felt like I had like 12 really cool little things in this video, so maybe a viewer might have known 8 of them. But for example the Start screen in OoT coming from ALTTP? I had no idea and found that after I filmed. Or Zelda’s Lullaby being in the shape of a triforce, which I do believe was intentional. Or the harp connection between Sheik and Zelda. The Tear falling when you unlock a tower in BOTW I never noticed was actually connected to the bottom of a Sheikah symbol. The TP Zelda’s Robe, and Bill Trinen’s T shirt (that was a coincidence by the way). Most of this stuff I didn’t even know and learned during research for the video. And I’m obsessed with this stuff 😅
So I can’t see how anyone who likes Zelda music could possibly watch a video like this one and not at least appreciate 1 cool thing they didn’t know before. That’s the goal at least 😃
Also being my first video back I wanted it to do well, I’ve learned more about RUclips during my 8 month break. And this being such an essential Zelda game and such a cool find that the internet literally has nothing covering it, I felt it deserved a high quality video to spotlight it.
Thanks for watching!
i am SO happy to finally find the zelda music nerd analysis channel, took my algorithm long enough! i'm deeply interested in figuring out how the change in composers impacts the series going forward and what they decide to do with the music! botw's musical references were so subtle, and i love this fresh look at a game musically dear to my heart. thank you!
As someone who has grown with this incredible franchise, literally playing zelda 1, 2 and link to the past as some of my oldest and fondest memories, I will say definitively that I have noticed every one of these details short of the windwaker stuff (never had a game cube). One of my favorite details was the sun song trill just as the sun peaks over the ridge in the main theme of OoT. After I collected the song and signed in the next time it made the theme hit in a whole new way. That truly is the most powerfull and beautiful storytelling element the creator and composer utelized in these games. Every subtle detail hidden in the songs and sounds of the game that unveil little by little the layers of memory and triumph and remorse hidden in every note and every encounter. From the very first time you turn on the game, to the very last note of the ending credits, you will have your perspective changed, and the way a song can make you feel will change your life.
I think you're going to like my next video. Lots more from OoT to uncover...
bro should open a university of zelda music. damn this is so awesome!.
Welcome back 🎉🔥👏 Solid video
Great presentation. I remember geeking out to every single “tribute” to all the other songs before. My best friend made fun of it but was wowed when “rediscovered.” lol
YOU'RE BACK - I'm so stoked!
Such a great video!! Love all your content!
I knew the music felt so familiar yet different. So amazing of a find
Well this was unexpected! I thought you quit making videos. It's been like 6 months! Lol! And wow that's insane that Zelda's theme is hidden within Shiek's theme.
love this channel
This is fantastic, emotional and VERY well thought out and researched. Thank you so much for doing this. The way Zelda music as a whole (Player since LttP, here!) has made an impact on me and my siblings is astounding and this video just opens up the appreciation even more! You got yourself a new subscriber! Please Keep up the amazing work! Love it!! 🥰🤩
I'm the same way, that's why I started the channel. Thanks for the kind words!
This video might just be my favorite video of the last five years. That was incredible.
Oh, my God! I love how these notes 🎶 from other games helped build an all-new score 🎼 for 'Ocarina of Time.' This is the ultimate video game music score homage. 'May the way of the Hero lead to the TriForce.' I love these endearing and enduring leitmotifs.
I think I noticed the references after my first playthrough back in the 90s (so after i already knew the spoiler), and i had assumed other music buffs noticed too. But good breakdown of the different motifs used in the series.
My fav Zelda song out of every game has to be Sanctuary theme in LTTP. That song hits so hard for me everytime I hear it. I wonder if it was ever used in any other games further. I haven't really looked into like you do on this channel, but its pretty amazing the amount of lore I just learned about a series I've been in love with since Zelda 1... Wild stuff!
I love that theme, would love to hear it used. One piece that is referenced VERY subtly in TOTK is Power of the gods/Triforce Room. One of my all time favorites. I’ll eventually cover that one.
Yeeeeeah you're back!!!! Thank you
I also remember the first time I saw the triforce creation scene, I got goosebumps when I heard the LttP opening woven into it, I got so excited since it was (and still is) my favorite Zelda game and opening theme
I think that one took me years later to realize and I wasn’t fully sure until I was an adult. I love that reference.
I wouldn't of known none of this if it wasn't 4 u an this video great stuff dawg, subscribed an lookin out 4 more
I remember getting that reference my second play through after I had learned of Shiek’s true identity. 🤔 Great video! I’ve always loved the “linked” themes in the Zelda series ❤️
I absolutely loved this video....Just subscribed!
Awesome! Welcome aboard!!!