Mercedes m130 mechanical fuel injection pump setting. Mercedes pagoda, 280se w108 m127
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Here is the book that I am using in the video.
👉 Haynes ( Mercedes Benz 230,250,280
1968 through 1972.  sedan coupe roadster )
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Thanks so much for all your video's!
Been wrenching on Mercedes for over 35 years and I learned something today! Very nice! Great of you to add the kids at the end.
Thank you very much for explaining so well (almost like at school 😅). I have a 220SE (M127) but the essential are the same (my thermostat doesn’t have washers, it has a screw). At cold my engine didn’t rev higher so I’m going to put to practice your lesson and see how it goes. Thanks
I didn't think I would watch the whole video but you sir are great at this and hope you stay at it.
Absolutely outstanding job on this! Thank you for the huge amount of time you put in to making this video.
No problem thanks for watching
Super happy to find this video. There is nothing like this out there for us M130 owners to learn how to DIY. Thanks, and I'm looking forward to more videos on the M130!
No problem glad it’s helping people out
Very detailed and well done video. I've had this M130 put into a 1964 220 b. So much better than carburetors! I'll bet your Mercedes gets a lot of thumbs up in Canada!! Thanks, I learned plenty.
Thanks for watching and thanks for the feedback, and yes everyone loves it,
Thanks, you explained the warm up mechanism quite well, I'm in the middle of playing with one right now, I have a 4 gas to help adjust the mixtures so I don't need to check plugs in a year!!
Best engine video ever. you are a natural teacher. Many thanks from the UK.
Just want to mention that my w111 coupe got also the M130. Amazing engine 🎉 thanks for the video
Really really good video! No drama! Just technical stuff. Perfect. Keep on doing that like this!🎉
Ok awesome best ever explanation....just at the end when you summarize at 40:36 about the air/fuel you should say which washer you adjust relative to your address. Otherwise I think I have the procedure down. Thx so much!
Learned loads with this. Waiting n
patiently for the starting problem video... my car is a trouble starter
I have 1969 280sl and this video will help me to fix the when hot rough shifting I have been experiencing since the fuel distributor thermostat was replaced. Great Video
Your video has helped me so much way down here in New Zealand - me and my 71 W108 280se thank you !
Beats any manual. Again, thank you for taking the time to make this excellent video. Have the confidence now to give it a go on my1971 W108 280SE 🙂
Interesting video. But I check other things first before turning this screw. For example the injection valves, the starting valve or the control rod in the pump.
Wow I think this is just what I needed. I’ve been wanting to understand my 280se more especially with a slightly rough idle that could use some cleaning up.
Welcome to the channel
You are excellent. I watch both, your timing and fuel injection videos. I am still troubleshooting though. My car is a 1970 280SL with the M130 fuel injected engine, 4 speed. I know it is hard to diagnose a problem without the car in front of you but please give me maybe some direction. The car starts fast and idles fine. But will not come up off idle without stalling. It has a strong idle… So strong I can creep along in 3rd gear or even reverse. But it will not speed up off of idle? So you know, I drained and replaced the fuel just to be sure didn’t get a tank of contaminated gas. Replaced the fuel pump, all rear fuel hoses, and fuel filter up front near the engine injection pump. I even added an extra see-through line filter coming from the gas tank to see and catch any possible rust particles. Fuel is clean. I eliminated any possible fuel starvation problems from the rear of the car. So you know the car was running fine in traffic when started to just lose power. Slowly in about a minute it dropped to the idle it has now. I looked at the plugs and os running a bit rich, but of course has spark. The spark looked weak and coil looked awful, so I thought maybe when firing faster it could be shorting inside. Replaced coil. That wasn’t it. I’m thinking now it could be the whole fuel injection unit which is so expensive to send out for rebuild ($2600) that I shun to think to shotgun in replacing that.
Can you please tell me if you have come up on anything like this before? A car that won’t come up from idle? If the fuel pump was bad how can it run at all? Wouldn’t it misfire or shake from a cylinder not firing at idle? Injectors seem good. I just can’t understand how it could be getting fuel, air, and spark smoothly at only idle. It will not come up at all past 750 RPM. Also know that I completely checked all the pushrod linkages. They are fine without worn play anywhere. The slightest movement on the injection pump throttle lever moves the air intake valve to start opening at the intake. Please tell me your thoughts. You should know you are the most knowledgeable person and an excellent instructor too on explaining my car. Thank you. So you know I’m not a rich man. No collector here so any non-standard fix or unusual tests would be fine. I hope you will share your thoughts…. The steps as to what you would check next and then move to will really help me. It’s beating me up.
Thank you for your fine videos, and hopefully responding to me now. Placed in my thumbs up already.
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You should measure the fuel pressure and volume (liters/minute) and make sure those are at spec. Pose your question also on the pagoda sl group site, plenty of knowledgeable folks there as well
Check the fuel pressure coming from the electric fuel pump, check it at the starting valve, should have around 11 psi 15 psi.
Other than that I can't think of anything without sticking my head under the hood.
I would love to tinker around with it if it was here
Is now available for sale a small ring ( collar ) that is perfect for the new thermostat which is larger on the base . We are lucky that these thermostats are relatively inexpensive but look what is the price for a long style thermostat for a 230sl w113. Is about 1000€. Insane
Good bless you. You're the best.
Thx
Thanks for explain so.
Pliiis now explains how is the cold start valve function.
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I’m 16 minutes in and loving this. Nice job! Thank you!
Nice
@@ProblemSolverGarage Are you able to explain why the knob should only be turned 3 clicks at a time? Thanks!
I believe it’s spring loaded, so you want the pump to do a few revolutions so the spring can settle before you adjust it again. You don’t want to put any tension on that spring, everything in there is very gentle and can only be moved a little bit at a time
@@ProblemSolverGarage I’ve got an r20y pump out of the car currently using a borrowed one to try and get a 1969 parts car engine to run. I can’t recall if I twisted it more than 3 turns. Cyl 4 also won’t spray the injector but will flow with no pressure. The check valve looked ok when I pulled it out, but I didn’t swap it to test it. I want to verify this engine before scrapping the car, but am ready to throw in the towel. I’ve got a 67 250se 4-speed in the garage to work on and a POS parts car to learn on in the driveway. Must go!
@@mknmike I’m sure if you turned it more than three times it would be fine, it’s just good for it to do everything very gradually. Good luck
why are you not using old co meter like i did at mercedes when ii work their .great instruction spot on
Such a great tutorial ..more more please so I better understand my w113 😀
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Amazing video; thanks a lot for the job; very very useful
Great job thanks for sharing
Thanks!
Awesome thanks so much.
Hello I'm watching from France, very good explication good blessings you and your family
Thank you and thanks for watching
love your putting this info out for ppl to see. hope to see more about this old w108, not much out there for this model 1966-1967 250se. I have the 67 i had to rebuild fuel pump to even get it home. you can find vids pretty easy for that, but for engine bay info or vids there might be only a handful of them. would love to see more on this car!!!!!!
Thanks
Hi Grady how hard is to rebuild the pump. My just gets hot but doesn't pump
hi. love this video and other videos,, you are a man after my own heart..
I can't find video where you bypass cold start stuff.. I have done away with some of mine on a couple of engines but interested in what you did..
also fairly sure that adjuster on the back of MF pump is only for idle mixture.. has no effect on normal running mixture,,that's done on control rods.. should only black plugs at idle.. love your videos..
Thank you so much for these videos! Thank you!! I have two 72's one is SEL and SE!! Thanks your new Subsciber
Hey no problem and thanks for watching, I got more videos coming on this car.
WoW! Great movie! I'm just before starting my m130 SE engine and cannot stop watching it ;-). I'll certainly follow your instruction and wait for timing setup video. Regards form Poland!
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I need this vedio thank you man
Great video!!! You have a new subscriber.
Thx
Great will explained, Excellent, I will be applying your knowledge to my W112 300 SEB, please do more videos of w108/w109 MFI
Thanks for watching, and yes, there will be way more videos
Great video, I would like to know how you fix the injector on the intake? I see that you added a switch to make it start easily. Thanks for the information very helpful
Thank you, man, very useful, Kudos!
No problem thanks for watching
@@ProblemSolverGarage BTW this device is usually called "Warm Running Device (WRD)"
Good stuff, about time someone shared some info without chasing a dollar we all know who I'm on about. Keep on the 108s not much good info out there 👍
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good video.there is also a split linkage test you can do . it is somwhere on this site.One thing I will say is never adjust the back of the injection pump when car is running
Saved me! Great video
Thx
Great Video But where is the video about the Start Up issue. I am having trouble figuring it out on my 280sl. Would love to get that detailed explanation on it.
Thanks a lot so far!
I subscribed and looking forward to the starter hack video!
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Great video on the CSV setup. I have been having issues with mine and this helps tremendously.
Do wonder why the minds at MB devised such a complicated setup, just feel that this could have engineered a bit better.
It's because they were inventing all this stuff
Very cool video/explanation and kiddies!!!.... I have 1967 W108 250S It's a Zenith 35/40... I changed the mechanical fuel pump and rebuilt the carbs. It finally started but everytime I put in gear (column shift) it dies on me unless i rev it just enough, apply the brakes then put in gear. Sometimes it works but most of the time it does not especially when I put it in reverse. Hope you can give insight as well. the car has been in a garage the last 7yrs and has not started until I finally took ownership.
There is a solenoid that engages when you put the car in drive or reverse, there is a switch that controls it, Sometimes the switch gets misaligned and sometimes the solenoid Seizes up
It rubs up the engine a little bit when in gear
Should be right on top of the engine
@@ProblemSolverGarage thanks...which particular part on top of engine? thanks
I can’t remember the name of it I will check in my book and let you know next time I’m out in the garage
hello, I have a question about the m127 engine, the exhaust gases show that it works on a very rich dose, I looked at this regulator, when the engine is cold it sucks in air and when it is warm it almost does not. I adjusted the knob to the left every 3 clicks until 24 and unfortunately there is still acrid smoke, in addition high speed (1200 rpm), I will add that the pump was turned to the right to the max, now it is 10 to the left from the resistance,
hi I liked the the adjustment you did would you kidly tell me about the radiator you mentioned mine is no good 1969 280se i have thanks
I have a video on it, there’s a link in the description
do you have specs to set throttle screw at throttle body? someone has jacked with the screw to increase idle
Hi Tom. Would you make a video about how to set up ignition timing? that would help a lot. Thanks
Excellent video, one question can you reduce fuel with just a click or two? I know the maximum is 3 for each engine start
Yes
@@ProblemSolverGarage Thank you!!!
Hi, watching your video and very interesting. Working on a 250SE 67 model and came across your video very helpful. Are you able to tell me the name of manual you are referring to in your video. Looking forward to see you rebuild the motor. The would be awesome!
Unfortunately I already rebuilt the motor before I started making videos, complete rebuild with oversized pistons.
The book is “Mercedes-Benz 230, 250, and 280. 1968 two 1972 six cylinder soho Haynes repair manual
Good day sir have a same engine issue may m130 was hard starting and black smoke and bad idling my timing si okey
Great Video, awesome tutorial!!! Can you also remove a washer (distance ring) or two to increase idle performance, on a 8 piston MFI ? Regards Roy
Not too sure
Great video! it'sexctly what i nedd to adjust my pagoda engine. Btw what is the reference of your book seen in that video ? It can be very helpfull even for a frenchy like me !
Great video and very simple methodology use by you, really helped me a lot. One question though, why three clicks at a time and not more? Can it also be less than 3 clicks??
Three clicks is the max you can do one click
The car needs to be started after three clicks so the springs reposition themselves
Brilliant video - thank you!! A quick question - The pin on my Warm Running Device thermostat has come out (old version with the 2 nuts on a threaded pin) - Will this be a problem? Thank you
Do you know how to diagnose a cold start issue on this car?
I have a 1967 280 SE that does not get power when starting, so it won’t start cold unless I connect power to it.
I’m looking for any pointers.
Thank you, sorry.
Hi ,super explained ,thanks . Were I cand buy de manual shop like yours ?
It is the Haynes manual
great video thanks for explaining things so well! could you share what manual you are using in the video, I'd like to get a copy
Hey, thanks for the feedback, the manual is
230,250,280 1968 through 1972 Mercedes Benz Haynes, repair manual
Sedan, coupe, roadster
Where do you buy your automatic transmission gaskets at?
That's a pity. I need to find out the wiring from the cold start to where it goes. I only have 1 black wire on the solenoid. And that has no power on it. Your help would be greatly appreciated. 😊
You just put a button on your dash that gives the solenoid 12 V positive as you're pressing it, that will open the solenoid and allow fuel to shoot into the engine. It's very simple, disconnect the original wire.
Bonjour , j’ai regardé votre vidéo, j'ai une mercedes 280se w108 6 cylindres injection essence.
J’ai voulu tourner la vis de richesse sur la pompe mais elle ne tourne ni dans un sens ni dans l’autre.pouvez vous me dire ce que je peux faire et pourquoi d’après vous elle est bloquée.
Merci.
Thank you for this extremely useful video. May I raise one question.. What happens if someone tries (not knowing the rule not to do that) to adjust the CO screw at the back of the injection pump DURING THE ENGINE IS IN OPERATION?
Does it cause extra rich injection only that one can readjust to proper position , or does it cause a damage in anything?
It’s impossible to adjust it with the engine running, it will not click in, And if you force it it will get damaged
@@ProblemSolverGarage Thank you very much for the advice.
In one of your videos you mentioned you will make a video on the timing adjustment of the W108.
I would be very glad to see also that if possible..
Cheers from Hungary.
The adjustment screw is stuck and will not turn either direction. What is the cure?
Take the back plate off to get it loose...this happened years ago to me and the mechanic had to do this to get it loose.
Where can i find that book my friend ?
I would be soo.happy to have it
Cheers from europe🤟😁✌
It would be great if you would have a little CO2 exhaust gas analiser for a more precise mixture
I have one built-in
Lol
I put the name of the book in the description for you
Hi PSG, I have W111, 1962 MB 220 SE. My engine only 3 cylinders working-4,5 and 6. How can I adjust fuel injection to not working cylinders? I am ready to donate to your site.
Check compression, check spark, change your fuel filters. Use ethanol free gasoline 91 octane. Here's a few things to start
Thanks, I checked compression is good, all gasoline system check and clean. I opened the pump and found one of the two walves stuck and rusty. Will assemble in few days. Can you sell me pdf for my pump.EP/ZEB2KL75R13
Hi there, how do I find the Mercedes starting hack video, please help, cant find it anywhere. excellent videos, Thank you
Hey I never ended up making it. Sorry
I do plan on making it but I am very behind on editing and videos
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Hey bro i just got a 68 Mercedes from my grandparents and im restoring it but sometimes the transmission down shifts when you slowly gain speed. And it shifts rough kinda but once its been ran for awhile it starts to shift smoothly but im just wondering what the problem could be
Not too sure what you mean, but there's a micro switch on the firewall, and there's a kickdown switch underneath the gas pedal.
Micro switch gets pressed by the gas pedal being released I believe
I figured out the problem but would you know where to buy a automatic transmission seal for the pan
Its a 1968 mercedes with the same engine as yours m130
I put a little video of the numbers you may have to pause it, if you have time
Thank you for the good video, this is pretty much what I needed as I'm adjusitng my M130! Purely wondering, but isn't it possible to set the mixture based on engine RPM? It seems like it's possible to adjust fuel mixture at low, medium and high revs, but I'm not totally sure if I understand the methods used for this. My engine seems to run fine at low revs and at high revs, but runs just a little lean at medium revs. Thank you!
What do you mean by lower revs ? Medium revs? High revs? What RPM ranges
@@ProblemSolverGarage I was told that the injection pump can be adjusted to three different RPM ranges, meaning a fuel adjustment for low, medium and high revs. Say different adjustments for under 1200 rpm, then next adjustment for around 2500 rpm and the last for around >4000 rpm.
@@JackpodyDK Yes that is correct but my video doesn’t cover the two higher RPM adjustments, those should never be touched. The only time you would ever have to touch those is if somebody touched them before. Usually people never do because it involves deeply going into the fuel injection pump, I mentioned this in the video. Also in the middle RPMs those engines don’t have much power so you might be thinking it’s hesitating but that’s just the way it is, also check your timing, make sure your mechanical timing advance is working the spring one inside the distributor, not just the vacuum one, sometimes those springs break, this can be checked with a timing gun.
@@ProblemSolverGarage Thank you for the response! I've had the MFI pump rebuilt, so I think it just needs some final adjustments. Thank you for the video!
Hi brother help me to start m130 engine no start because fuel injection pump not pass the fuel
I would need a lot more information than that, but good luck
Excellent video. I have a 1962 Adneaur W109. Pretty close to some setup. How I have an issue that I perceive is heat related. After fresh rebuild on the injector pump fuel pump and injectors. The car was running great around town. However went on a highway run for about 35miles about halfway I felt a couple skips. The problem got worse esp uphill. Pulled over to peak under the hood and as soon as I let ramp to idle it completely died. Would even attempt to start which it always did fire right up. Towed home next morning ice cold it started right up. But seems to do the high idle then retract to about 800. Any thoughts?
What spark plugs are you running?
go one heat rating lower on your spark plugs and also do not use resistor spark plugs.
What’s happening is your cylinders are getting hot inside to the point where the gas evaporates before it can ignite.
None resistor spark plugs have a better spark and you need to lower the heat rating of the spark plug to keep the temperature of the cylinder colder. Let me know if that fixed your problem
Also what engine do you have in there?
It’s a 189 engine. With recently installed Bosch super 105 plugs I got from MBUSA VINTAGE CENTER in Irving ca.
You need a old-school Bosch spark plug, old original stock. If you can’t find it you need to go with a regular none resistor spark plug.
The cross references don’t work for these old cars, you usually need to go One heat rating lower than what the Internet is saying, the cross references at the stores are incorrect, even Mercedes dealership is having this problem. Do some research, I do not have the book for this engine so I don’t know what spark plug goes in there but nothing new and fancy like what you got.
I’m guessing the problem started after you install the new spark plugs.
I had The same problem years ago
really enjoy your channel ,whats after the corvette
BMW E 36 convertible, season two is already out
Also I still have more Corvette episodes coming
Which repair manual is he using?
What happened to the timing video you mentioned?
I'll actually be making soon
Hi.
Mine will not idle above around 500rpm when hot.
Was around 800 cold
Sorry you're not giving me enough information to answer your question
Sorry.
What I meant was that when starting the car it idles at around 800 cold.
When it warms up it drops to 500 and eventually dies.
Funny thing is that it is running rich it seems.
Adjusting the click wheel at the back and the idle spring valve I can't get the idle above 500 warm.
I think it is running rich because if I open throttle with linkage disconnected from injection pump it revs to 2500 very smoothly so must have excess gas but not enough air?
Just noted today the barometric valve has a thick washer on it.
This was a colorado car that has stood for a while.
Now in UK with me.
@@amalhi7834 do you guys have 10% ethanol in your gasoline in the UK? If so you need to remove the ethanol from the gasoline.
These cars vapour lock with 10% ethanol gasoline when they reach operating temperature.
@@amalhi7834 I am working on a solution to this problem and I will post it on RUclips, I want to make mine run on gasoline with 10% ethanol, in Canada they also don't sell ethanol free gasoline. I've been taking the ethanol out, also I live close to the states so I've been buying my ethanol free gasoline there., they sell ethanol free gasoline in the states
@@amalhi7834 does the car run when it's hot when you put your foot on the gas pedal? Or does it stop running all together when it gets hot and you need to let it cool down to start it again?
36 'Turns' or 'Clicks' ?
Clicks
you do not need to start the car each time.....just screw 3 times, push it in again, so on
The manual clearly says not to exceed three clicks without restarting the motor.
Makes sense to me, You’re moving a loaded spring, starting the motor takes the tension off of it and re-positions everything inside, also you don’t want to get to a point where the engine won’t start then you won’t know in which direction to turn things. But thanks for watching, And I appreciate any input
@@ProblemSolverGarage starting the motor does not take the load off the spring :D and it does not have to. oh still missing the part with the timing?? ;)
@@mikki9644 maybe you're right I've never had it apart, just going off of reading manuals and forums about the injection system.
So what can I do
Is the fuel pump working by the gas tank
Hello friend, I am an auto machine, I need your help.
Sure
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Thank you !!!
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@@ProblemSolverGarage Sir, I would like to ask if you already post your video for Starting hack video of your mercedes ?Thanks
No I have not but I posted the radiator video