I listened to all the downsides and actually felt encouraged to get a clip on. All the negatives either don't apply or I'm willing to accept. I'm not getting thermals for predator hunting (albeit it will be used for it), and I'm only planning to use it for a single rifle, which I'll primarily need to use the day optic (1-6). The StingIR looks great, once I make the plunge.
Pros of a clip-on: Not dealing with the short eye relief that comes with most dedicated thermal weapon sights. A clip on projects an image through your LPVO in a way that allows for an amazingly large image that takes up the entire ocular lens of your scope at anything 2x and beyond. Also as far as saving zero profiles: it’s not difficult to write down your X & Y screen adjustments for each rifle. It takes all of 10 seconds to change the collimation settings in the menu. Not being able to save your zero profile is a null issue.
Hey so here's an idea then. You guys said you would have to columate the thermal to each rifle each time. Why don't you just allow for a number of different collumated presets that allow for a label or numerical association. This shouldn't be very difficult to do as it is simply a software change. You guys would probably also be the pioneers in this concept. Just an idea. Great products.
If a dedicated thermal can have 25 different scope preset zeros for different rifles then there's no reason a clip on cannot have 5 collimation presets to easily switch to a few different setups.
@LongFatJohnston several that I can think of without having the benefit of trying out either setup beforehand. I have 4 or 5 rifles I'd like to able to use, and 3 of those rifles I would prefer not to change my current scope mounts. Although, if I did, something quality like a Spuhr qd mount is what I what upgrade to and those are about 500 each, so 1500 would have to be added in to the upfront cost. Then there are a couple other red dots and an lpvo that I could use it on. I'm not completely ignoring the advice of many experienced thermal users. I haven't ruled out getting a dedicated. But that would mean changing setups on several rifles I'm currently very happy with as well as significant added expense. Additionally, I'm ok with it being good/adequate on numerous rifles than optimal dedicated on 1 or 2. I think, fwiw, I've narrowed it down to 2 I'd consider. The incendis pro or a bering optics super yoter C.
@LongFatJohnstonmost of my hunting rifles have non QD mounts and I don't want to switch to QD. That's my reason. QD mounts are heavier and while very reliable, I'm not risking it on a 7 day backpack hunt where I am likely to take a 400-600 yard shot.
Appreciate the input. I tend to lean in the clip on camp only because I need versatile kit vs niche. May not be as effective, but that’s a trade off I’m willing to eat if I can migrate to guns with different purposes and priority of day fighting
Nice - finally some honesty on clip-ons. We refuse to sell them for every reason you listed. Customers are always dissapointed and regret the purchase. Id rather see a customer buy the cheapest thermal scope possible and with the clip-on change left over buy another gun to mount it on.
I am in Texas. I have the Rattler 25. Because of the lower magnification. Ideal for hog hunting. It is the 385 or whatever. I also have your lower end monocular. 150 reso 156 maybe. I have your white phos pvs14. The handheld can be a great supplement to the pvs14 even a budget friendly one. I would like to try a clip on. I have one AR with 1-4x. If I throw a clip on in. I could have a do all. I just use the Streamlight HIR pistol light on the rail at 12:00. To shot under nightvision, they work great for me. I am going to look into that smaller clip on. Thanks for the video.
My favorite pro of a dedicated thermal is that it doesn’t require the rifle to have a rail forward of the scope. So it can be mounted to more platforms. I know they have clip-ons that clip to the optics themselves but those don’t work with every optic. I have multiple rifles but can only afford 1 thermal.
I have two clip ons with one of those being thermal and one is NV. I use both between between 3 different weapons so I don’t use the collimating feature of the thermal. I have to adjust zero for whatever combo I’m using. I just have an index card taped to my stocks with three different zeros for each weapon. That means you have to use a scope that is repeatable. Even your above average hunting scopes will not be effective in that area. This means more money for better quality optics. Other than being able to use different platforms the clip on shines on target in my opinion. I have two dedicated thermal scopes and know other people with dedicated scopes and most of the time you will not be able to sight in a dedicated thermal with the same precision that you can with a clip on because with the clip on you’re adjusting you’re day optic (with my method) and the dedicated thermal scopes the cross hair adjust usually one pixel at a time which can mean at say a normal 200 yard hunting zero it’s near impossible to get your weapon to hit dead on. The biggest downside to a clip on for me is the weight on the front of your weapon because most clip on are not Sting IR size. I would love to compare it to my rattler.
Thanks guys for an awesome take on this subject. I’m struggling which direction to go with that whole idea. I like the idea of having a clip on for scanning then using it with an lpvo, but having a dedicated optics the clarity of nice also
The good thing about a clip on is if you are hunting different areas, counties, or states, AND there are certain laws where you can/can’t hunt w/ thermal, night vision, etc. then you have the option to clip it off/on. I have had issues with my thermal optics, I’m hoping that the clip on might be a better option for me. Worst case if it malfunctions I can just clip it off and rely on a good ole glass optic.
I'd have to try a clip on out for myself before deciding if it can really compete with a normal thermal scope, but you guys have me more interested than I was previously for sure.
Oh and also to add why people use QD levers is generally not to swap optics between different rifles but to allow for usage of another optic while not having to rezero when I replace my main optic. For instance I don't hunt and shoot with my thermal all of the time. As a matter of fact that's not the purpose for the build but because I have a quality qd mount in able to remove my regular dot and swap out for my thermal which happens to also be zeroed and retains zero when reattached. It's a very convenient and cost effective way to have a main building that also can be turned into a thermal capable hunting machine only for the cost of a slightly more expensive mount, rather than a full rifle build.
As was stated, with a clip-on, you need to keep the magnification of the day scope low, as in 1 to 3 range. Anything more than that and the image turns to crap. I use my Rattler clip-on for short-range work, so it works great for me. Also, I do have the option of mounting it as a stand-alone thermal scope if I wanted to. I like my clip-on and am very happy with what I can do with it.
the larger the lens size of the clip-on, the higher you can usually go. So i've seen guys use them throughout the range on their 1-6 LPVO's. or in most of the range of a 3-9X. I usually say the cutoff starts around 8X or so
Glad that you referred to tactical. How well does a 3x prism scope function when collimated with the Rattler V2? If not so good, then I will stick with TS setup. Hope that you can answer this.
I have NEVER liked a thermal digital reticle! I do not understand why a thermal scope can not design (for example) a reticle similar to the Gen3, Cronus, Tract (a standard christman tree reticle) Most of us are used to our day scope reticle (often time that is why we bought that to scope to begin with) so a clip on allows you to continue using the same reticle. I may be in the minority here but I hate thermal reticles.
Great topic, don't necessarily agree with your thoughts but thats ok, I started with a clip on, went to a dedicated unit and returned to yet again a clip on. The reason I prefer the clip on is if the unit packs it in or you get caught out with flat batteries remove the unit clip on your Olight and keep hunting, your outing is not fully wrecked, doesent happen you might say or carry spare batteries, well in 4 years I had 2 major failures with the dedicated unit which was sent off for warranty leaving me weeks without a scope, by the same token I had the propriety battery pack it in on my clip on, again leaving me without a usable unit. Having used thermal for the last 6 years as a professional feral controller in my experience the clip on is more versatile and safer in a breakdown, oh and both scope and clip on's were top end units, they stuff up also not just the budget or mid range ones.
I have a dedicated scope. It's one of the mid-range rattlers, I've seen what buying a high-end clip-on but the one thing I can absolutely agree with even without trying one is the magnification issues. If the cost is the same then it's pointless to buy a clip on.
I have had poor experience with thermal scopes not holding zero, you know zero it today they take it out in a few daays and it’s hitting 6” low, can’t understand or trust the electronic scopes. That’s why I was looking for a clip on as a normal scope will hold its zero.
Thanks for the video. I think in going clip-on. I had a 384 quick mount thermal break. I'm going with the clip because I use an old ATN clip on and have had great success with it. Theremal is where it's at though. I like the clip on NV because I can use on on my pellet rifles, .22s, and hog rifles. I think using my favorite rifles and havinf flexibility is better. I just want to be sure though. Every time it is switched t9 a different rifle I will need to align the redicle correct?
Looking at the clip-on option to carry in my hunting backpack. I'm color-blind and would like the option to shoot 1 hour before and 1 hour after daylight. I used a nAGM Rattler TS19-256 last season as a dedicated rig and didn't like it. The pic was not great, there was no depth perception, looking at the screen for prolonged periods made my eyes sore and gave me a headache. Given my use case 100-200 yards max and only needing it for a couple hours a day, would I be better served to get a clip-on or a dedicated upper/rifle? The main thing is I didn't like looking through the digital screen and the eye fatigue it caused. Also, carrying a separate gun with a dedicated thermal would be impractical for weight and pack-space reasons. My hunting rig runs a dedicated 3-12x56mm Swaro optic.
They kind of danced around the "tactical" considerations. If it goes to sh!t and you're limited to one rifle (keep it simple, keep it light) then you'll want to have a quick option to switch between daylight and night optic capability. In my mind, and as mentioned a few times here, there are two routes to achieve the switch, and both involve good, reliable return to zero quick detach (QD) mounts. Option 1) Have a 1×-?× lpvo and thermal each mounted to QDs and exchange as needed. Option 2) Have a 1x-?× lpvo either QD or hard mounted and then use a thermal "clip on" (such as the Stinger) QD mounted to add for night ops. Due to weight and simplicity considerations, I think I'd go with option 2.
I’m interested in NV clip ons so I can use the same rifle for day and night hunting. I have an AGM thermal, but I’d like a NV tube and clipon too to have options
I really like my TC-35 i had it paired with a vortex viper II 1-6 for a long time but switched over to the primary arms glx 2.5-10 im curious as to if the image quality is the same or better with the 640 stinger compared to the 640 tc-35 looking for a helmet mounted unit to run with my NV
I have a Vortex strike eagle 1x6 and wondering if I'd like a clip on. I don't want to dedicate a rifle to night hunting. Have thought about the Pulsar Digex C50, daytime color and NV plus the twilight mode. Can you tell me how well you liked the clip on and the viper?
@terrycrissman7392 well the image will be better on a dedicated optic rather than a clip on I like the clip on because I can save the zeros and switch between a few different rifles plus I can just pop it off and run it without and not loose zero but the negative is a lvpo is were a a clip on really shines anything above 6x and the image gets really grainy and pixilated to my range is under 400yards to get any further would require alot more cash and a 50m clip on 640 or higher
Listen!! AGM Needs to develop a thermal eye piece thats light small and helmet mounting separate from device just like wifi view from phone device weapon mounted. To get rid of helmet crap.. light flip down plastic 1 eye piece. Sighting is what will drag you company into the future and $$$. I have agm clipon and like it. I bought one when it was expensive. Listen to my suggestion. Get you butsnin gear and give me some cretit!!!! For knowing wtf is up.👀👀👀
So.. shouldni skip my ACOG purchase for my 300 blackout and just get a thermal? $ is not the issue.. that said, i dont want to buy and cry about it. Thermal scope have deop compensator like rhat ACOG I want? What thermal should i use for clip on for ACOG if I go the clip-on route.. remember that ACOG RCO is a 4x. Help..
I just bought a stingir 384 to use as a clip-on. Since it does not come with an ADM mount, how is the return to zero when you take it off from the clip on position and put it back later in your experience?
@@AGMusa Thanks! I witness mark everything so it should be good then. ADM needs to come in and add some other QD options though! Being able to go from clip-on to helmet mount would take this unit to the next level.
One day clip on’s will be much smaller and lighter and better performance and will do what is needed. I would guess 1-2 years Max and all the issues you talked about will be gone.
I listened to all the downsides and actually felt encouraged to get a clip on. All the negatives either don't apply or I'm willing to accept. I'm not getting thermals for predator hunting (albeit it will be used for it), and I'm only planning to use it for a single rifle, which I'll primarily need to use the day optic (1-6). The StingIR looks great, once I make the plunge.
Same here exactly
Same here, I’m getting mine for self defense when shtf
I totally agree!
Pros of a clip-on: Not dealing with the short eye relief that comes with most dedicated thermal weapon sights. A clip on projects an image through your LPVO in a way that allows for an amazingly large image that takes up the entire ocular lens of your scope at anything 2x and beyond.
Also as far as saving zero profiles: it’s not difficult to write down your X & Y screen adjustments for each rifle. It takes all of 10 seconds to change the collimation settings in the menu. Not being able to save your zero profile is a null issue.
I have too many cool rifles with great scopes to be dependent on 1 to swap around.
Hey so here's an idea then. You guys said you would have to columate the thermal to each rifle each time. Why don't you just allow for a number of different collumated presets that allow for a label or numerical association. This shouldn't be very difficult to do as it is simply a software change. You guys would probably also be the pioneers in this concept. Just an idea. Great products.
If a dedicated thermal can have 25 different scope preset zeros for different rifles then there's no reason a clip on cannot have 5 collimation presets to easily switch to a few different setups.
@LongFatJohnston several that I can think of without having the benefit of trying out either setup beforehand. I have 4 or 5 rifles I'd like to able to use, and 3 of those rifles I would prefer not to change my current scope mounts. Although, if I did, something quality like a Spuhr qd mount is what I what upgrade to and those are about 500 each, so 1500 would have to be added in to the upfront cost. Then there are a couple other red dots and an lpvo that I could use it on. I'm not completely ignoring the advice of many experienced thermal users. I haven't ruled out getting a dedicated. But that would mean changing setups on several rifles I'm currently very happy with as well as significant added expense. Additionally, I'm ok with it being good/adequate on numerous rifles than optimal dedicated on 1 or 2. I think, fwiw, I've narrowed it down to 2 I'd consider. The incendis pro or a bering optics super yoter C.
Some clip ones do have presets for multiple rifles.
@LongFatJohnstonmost of my hunting rifles have non QD mounts and I don't want to switch to QD. That's my reason. QD mounts are heavier and while very reliable, I'm not risking it on a 7 day backpack hunt where I am likely to take a 400-600 yard shot.
@@jtylermcclendonwhich ones?
Appreciate the input. I tend to lean in the clip on camp only because I need versatile kit vs niche. May not be as effective, but that’s a trade off I’m willing to eat if I can migrate to guns with different purposes and priority of day fighting
I've always liked more the thermal, thanks for reinforcing my opinion, now I'm more convinced than ever that it was the right choice.
This video plus the advice of coyote hunters helped out immensely.
Hey guys, really liking this new format. Keep posting good stuff!
Love it, been looking for my first budget setup and y'all are the only company I can find with a good budget product
Nice - finally some honesty on clip-ons. We refuse to sell them for every reason you listed. Customers are always dissapointed and regret the purchase. Id rather see a customer buy the cheapest thermal scope possible and with the clip-on change left over buy another gun to mount it on.
Absolutely LOVE the adder. Stepped up from the rattler and even that scope blew my mind.
I am in Texas. I have the Rattler 25. Because of the lower magnification. Ideal for hog hunting. It is the 385 or whatever. I also have your lower end monocular. 150 reso 156 maybe. I have your white phos pvs14. The handheld can be a great supplement to the pvs14 even a budget friendly one. I would like to try a clip on. I have one AR with 1-4x. If I throw a clip on in. I could have a do all. I just use the Streamlight HIR pistol light on the rail at 12:00. To shot under nightvision, they work great for me. I am going to look into that smaller clip on. Thanks for the video.
This looks like a great set up, thanks for giving a lucky individual an opportunity to win one of these
this was a good perspective for someone getting ready to drop some coin to help make the best decision for them
Clarity here is great for someone being in the market for a thermal
AGM are great products at great prices.Excellent App. and firmware updates are great too.
My favorite pro of a dedicated thermal is that it doesn’t require the rifle to have a rail forward of the scope. So it can be mounted to more platforms. I know they have clip-ons that clip to the optics themselves but those don’t work with every optic. I have multiple rifles but can only afford 1 thermal.
They're definitely much more popular for this reason. I usually only advise clip-ons for very specific use cases.
I have two clip ons with one of those being thermal and one is NV. I use both between between 3 different weapons so I don’t use the collimating feature of the thermal. I have to adjust zero for whatever combo I’m using. I just have an index card taped to my stocks with three different zeros for each weapon. That means you have to use a scope that is repeatable. Even your above average hunting scopes will not be effective in that area. This means more money for better quality optics. Other than being able to use different platforms the clip on shines on target in my opinion. I have two dedicated thermal scopes and know other people with dedicated scopes and most of the time you will not be able to sight in a dedicated thermal with the same precision that you can with a clip on because with the clip on you’re adjusting you’re day optic (with my method) and the dedicated thermal scopes the cross hair adjust usually one pixel at a time which can mean at say a normal 200 yard hunting zero it’s near impossible to get your weapon to hit dead on. The biggest downside to a clip on for me is the weight on the front of your weapon because most clip on are not Sting IR size. I would love to compare it to my rattler.
Great information, thanks for covering the pros and cons.
Thanks guys for an awesome take on this subject. I’m struggling which direction to go with that whole idea. I like the idea of having a clip on for scanning then using it with an lpvo, but having a dedicated optics the clarity of nice also
The good thing about a clip on is if you are hunting different areas, counties, or states, AND there are certain laws where you can/can’t hunt w/ thermal, night vision, etc. then you have the option to clip it off/on. I have had issues with my thermal optics, I’m hoping that the clip on might be a better option for me. Worst case if it malfunctions I can just clip it off and rely on a good ole glass optic.
Sounds like AGM just needs to make a better Clip-On.
Glad to have watched this video and see some more research into clip ons and scopes
I was about to buy the AGM rattler 35-640.
Saw the Rix storm s6 and bought it instead and saved 1,300.00 or more and its perfect for what i need.
Happy hunting.
Great information! Glad I saw this before purchasing a clip on
Definitely came into this video thinking that I wanted a clip-on thermal, but left thinking about wanting a scope and dedicated rifle more.
I'd have to try a clip on out for myself before deciding if it can really compete with a normal thermal scope, but you guys have me more interested than I was previously for sure.
This was very helpful. Thanks.
All around great products! Never had any issues with my Varmint. Looking at getting my son something soon!
Oh and also to add why people use QD levers is generally not to swap optics between different rifles but to allow for usage of another optic while not having to rezero when I replace my main optic. For instance I don't hunt and shoot with my thermal all of the time. As a matter of fact that's not the purpose for the build but because I have a quality qd mount in able to remove my regular dot and swap out for my thermal which happens to also be zeroed and retains zero when reattached. It's a very convenient and cost effective way to have a main building that also can be turned into a thermal capable hunting machine only for the cost of a slightly more expensive mount, rather than a full rifle build.
All good points and good advice. I'd get a scope over a clip-on and just dedicate a particular weapon or upper to use with it.
Thanks for hosting this! I’d love to have either!
This is going to be awesome
Love AGM. Great products.
Awesome comparison 💪
A lot of great information!
As was stated, with a clip-on, you need to keep the magnification of the day scope low, as in 1 to 3 range. Anything more than that and the image turns to crap.
I use my Rattler clip-on for short-range work, so it works great for me.
Also, I do have the option of mounting it as a stand-alone thermal scope if I wanted to.
I like my clip-on and am very happy with what I can do with it.
the larger the lens size of the clip-on, the higher you can usually go. So i've seen guys use them throughout the range on their 1-6 LPVO's. or in most of the range of a 3-9X. I usually say the cutoff starts around 8X or so
Glad that you referred to tactical. How well does a 3x prism scope function when collimated with the Rattler V2? If not so good, then I will stick with TS setup. Hope that you can answer this.
I have NEVER liked a thermal digital reticle!
I do not understand why a thermal scope can not design (for example) a reticle similar to the Gen3, Cronus, Tract (a standard christman tree reticle)
Most of us are used to our day scope reticle (often time that is why we bought that to scope to begin with) so a clip on allows you to continue using the same reticle. I may be in the minority here but I hate thermal reticles.
thanks for the great information, good job on the video
Great topic, don't necessarily agree with your thoughts but thats ok, I started with a clip on, went to a dedicated unit and returned to yet again a clip on. The reason I prefer the clip on is if the unit packs it in or you get caught out with flat batteries remove the unit clip on your Olight and keep hunting, your outing is not fully wrecked, doesent happen you might say or carry spare batteries, well in 4 years I had 2 major failures with the dedicated unit which was sent off for warranty leaving me weeks without a scope, by the same token I had the propriety battery pack it in on my clip on, again leaving me without a usable unit. Having used thermal for the last 6 years as a professional feral controller in my experience the clip on is more versatile and safer in a breakdown, oh and both scope and clip on's were top end units, they stuff up also not just the budget or mid range ones.
Excellent information here guys
Loved this comparison! Thanks
I’d like to get my hands on a clip on and see the comparison side by side. Good info!
Thanks for the advice and knowledge!
Great information! Thank you
I have a dedicated scope. It's one of the mid-range rattlers, I've seen what buying a high-end clip-on but the one thing I can absolutely agree with even without trying one is the magnification issues. If the cost is the same then it's pointless to buy a clip on.
Love it guys!
I have had poor experience with thermal scopes not holding zero, you know zero it today they take it out in a few daays and it’s hitting 6” low, can’t understand or trust the electronic scopes. That’s why I was looking for a clip on as a normal scope will hold its zero.
I am on the same boat
It was really very interesting and informative
Thanks for the timely review
Thanksn, it was intersting and informative.
Thanks for the video. I think in going clip-on. I had a 384 quick mount thermal break. I'm going with the clip because I use an old ATN clip on and have had great success with it. Theremal is where it's at though. I like the clip on NV because I can use on on my pellet rifles, .22s, and hog rifles. I think using my favorite rifles and havinf flexibility is better. I just want to be sure though. Every time it is switched t9 a different rifle I will need to align the redicle correct?
Great information!!
thermal is the way to go
Great presentation of the different options
Both seem amazing
Great information. I was one of the misconceptions.
Love the scopes
Tanodized LMT is God tier rifle
For the people!
What about something like eCoti vs a stand alone head mounted thermal, leaving out the hand held and scope part.
I run thermal scope now looking to get a back up nv scope
Very good points thanks for doing this
Thanks for the info!
The thermal scope would be great for an entry device!
Looking at the clip-on option to carry in my hunting backpack. I'm color-blind and would like the option to shoot 1 hour before and 1 hour after daylight. I used a nAGM Rattler TS19-256 last season as a dedicated rig and didn't like it. The pic was not great, there was no depth perception, looking at the screen for prolonged periods made my eyes sore and gave me a headache. Given my use case 100-200 yards max and only needing it for a couple hours a day, would I be better served to get a clip-on or a dedicated upper/rifle? The main thing is I didn't like looking through the digital screen and the eye fatigue it caused. Also, carrying a separate gun with a dedicated thermal would be impractical for weight and pack-space reasons. My hunting rig runs a dedicated 3-12x56mm Swaro optic.
They kind of danced around the "tactical" considerations. If it goes to sh!t and you're limited to one rifle (keep it simple, keep it light) then you'll want to have a quick option to switch between daylight and night optic capability. In my mind, and as mentioned a few times here, there are two routes to achieve the switch, and both involve good, reliable return to zero quick detach (QD) mounts. Option 1) Have a 1×-?× lpvo and thermal each mounted to QDs and exchange as needed. Option 2) Have a 1x-?× lpvo either QD or hard mounted and then use a thermal "clip on" (such as the Stinger) QD mounted to add for night ops. Due to weight and simplicity considerations, I think I'd go with option 2.
I’m interested in NV clip ons so I can use the same rifle for day and night hunting. I have an AGM thermal, but I’d like a NV tube and clipon too to have options
Have atn thor 4… have profiles set for different guns.. don’t see the issue.. and i don’t have to check zero as it is always as i left it 🤷♂️
My right ear Injoyed this video
I am in Texas and have varmint issues. Coyote Cat Pig. Dedicated gun what is a reasonable priced night capable model for 100-200 yards?
Awesome thermal!
I really like my TC-35 i had it paired with a vortex viper II 1-6 for a long time but switched over to the primary arms glx 2.5-10 im curious as to if the image quality is the same or better with the 640 stinger compared to the 640 tc-35 looking for a helmet mounted unit to run with my NV
I have a Vortex strike eagle 1x6 and wondering if I'd like a clip on. I don't want to dedicate a rifle to night hunting. Have thought about the Pulsar Digex C50, daytime color and NV plus the twilight mode. Can you tell me how well you liked the clip on and the viper?
@terrycrissman7392 well the image will be better on a dedicated optic rather than a clip on I like the clip on because I can save the zeros and switch between a few different rifles plus I can just pop it off and run it without and not loose zero but the negative is a lvpo is were a a clip on really shines anything above 6x and the image gets really grainy and pixilated to my range is under 400yards to get any further would require alot more cash and a 50m clip on 640 or higher
Great video
Sweet, good info!
Great information
really lovin it
I need this for when the Boogaloo happens
Sir what is different between thermal and thermal clip.
Great info id love to have a thermal scope
I was thinking of adding a clip on to my crossbow but it has a short pic rail. Do you have to mount it or will it work just as clip on?
Both? Both? Both is good 😂
Awesome!
Great info
Can a rattler clip on be used with an Eotech?
If rail mounted in front, and the height matches, it should. Our centerline height when rail mounted is 1.5in
geat conversation, good luck with the giveaway
Nice comparisons
What handguard is on that LMT and what’s the barrel length?
Really.. it all just depends on if you want to be a part of MTS, Or HTS.
Good info!
Does a thermal device exist that is a helmet option, lpvo/red dot clip-on?
Be a great tool to add to my hunting arsenal
Listen!! AGM Needs to develop a thermal eye piece thats light small and helmet mounting separate from device just like wifi view from phone device weapon mounted. To get rid of helmet crap.. light flip down plastic 1 eye piece. Sighting is what will drag you company into the future and $$$. I have agm clipon and like it. I bought one when it was expensive. Listen to my suggestion. Get you butsnin gear and give me some cretit!!!! For knowing wtf is up.👀👀👀
Awesome!!
So.. shouldni skip my ACOG purchase for my 300 blackout and just get a thermal? $ is not the issue.. that said, i dont want to buy and cry about it. Thermal scope have deop compensator like rhat ACOG I want? What thermal should i use for clip on for ACOG if I go the clip-on route.. remember that ACOG RCO is a 4x.
Help..
What clip on are using on your lpvo scope?
There's always points for and against, but with my budget it's all academic.
Consider changing the topic to fighting sleep cells and other trouble makers in your neighborhood
I just bought a stingir 384 to use as a clip-on. Since it does not come with an ADM mount, how is the return to zero when you take it off from the clip on position and put it back later in your experience?
Also, I love the multicam wrap. Where do I get that done at?
Hey! You may contact LarpLabs for this kind of service larplabs.com/.
It is also return to zero as long as you are mounting in same spot with about the same amount of torque applied when reattaching.
@@AGMusa Thanks! I witness mark everything so it should be good then. ADM needs to come in and add some other QD options though! Being able to go from clip-on to helmet mount would take this unit to the next level.
One day clip on’s will be much smaller and lighter and better performance and will do what is needed. I would guess 1-2 years Max and all the issues you talked about will be gone.