i wonder how much more aero they can make it considering 1) the SL6 was already quite aero (specialized kept claiming it was more aero than the first generation venge) and 2) it'll start intruding into venge territory
Are you sure this is not the Venge (or a new Venge)? It sure looks like a Venge, except from the seatpost. Hope I'm wrong and that this is a new Tarmac. Im currently saving money to buy one
definitely new tarmac sl7. from a friend of mine on the inside, they've said that the basic plan is getting rid of the venge from the lineup, hence the greater attention to aerodynamic enhancements on this frame.
Peak Holmes. To be fair, though, norcal weather is super variable. Spring weather even more so. Not far-fetched at all. And yes, those are California sidewalks, vegetation, and land yachts.
@@mikew9743 The bigger deal is that it won't be the same level of carbon....Groupset and the wheels will be lower grade. The integration of the cables is like a couple watts.
Please note there are 2 different UCI homologations: those for executives authorized for racing for which there is a list and there is also UCI homologation from a safety point of view where there is no list available! So for me Specialized has not yet approved its frame for racing in order to avoid leaks (fails) since there is no race currently! In 2017 the Sl6 was presented battery 15 days after the Diverge 2017 -> the new Diverge was released a few days ago ... but something tells me that we will have to wait longer to see it official!
I live in Indonesia and my friend is working as the chief mechanic in an authorized store of Specialized in Jakarta. He indeed has ridden the SL7 from the store exactly like in the spyshot. I'm not sure whether it's been made available to order or not.
Definitely California. Curbs and bike lock stand look exactly like something you'd see here. You gotta remember that the CA weather is extremely localized down to a few miles radius sometimes. Generally the hotter it is in Morgan Hill the cooler it'll be up on the Peninsula due to the pressure difference causing cooling wind/fog. I've seen 30F temp swings in 15 miles. Specialized employees live all over the Bay Area. They even have a shuttle to take people from San Francisco to Morgan Hill everyday like Google or FB.
@@PeakTorque World class riding all year round but crazy expensive. A 650sq ft apartment in SF can easily run $3,500/month. Other areas in the bay are cheaper but only marginally.
@@PeakTorque Where do you live now? If you can get a good job here in engineering or something similar it's pretty good life. The M/F ratio is pretty skewed though, so dating is a bit odd.
Wrong, actually this one is the exact opposite heavier, Laterally softer like your favorite Pasta noodles, Vertically uncompliant like the good ol days Aero frames. Fragile as porcelain Vase.
So the 2021-2022 Venge will be called SL7 Tarmac since Specialized will stop the Venge production. Maybe I'll have a Tarmac next year or after the 2nd and 3rd waves of Covid-19...
why do Specialized stop the Venge production? Venge is still for aerodynamics sprinting and it can't be replaced by Tarmac. I think both of Tarmac and Venge should exist together
Been emailing specialized and the rider care manager told me that they were discontinuing the power cranks because they are going back to threaded BB's. I wouldn't be surprised if this frame is threaded.
I don't see why the push for threaded honestly. It can create even more problems, in particular bonding the alu shell. To me that's a bigger/riskier QC task than making a well toleranced press fit shell.
Enhance 224 to 176.... Enhance, stop.... Move in, stop.... Pullout track right.... Centre in and pull back.... Track 45 right, stop... Centre and stop.... Enhance 24 to 36..... Etc...
The grey car is a Toyota Venza. Every girl in Cali wears yoga pants. It's Norcal, you can tell by the bike rack and looks like a typical norcal street.
The last few days have been a heatwave in Bay Area (sit in your pants with fan blowing on your knackers type of heatwave). I wouldn't assume the photo was taken in hot weather. Recent daily highs were nearer 22c.
Go to TR forum where it came out initially. You have that photo and one other. For a couple of days already. And it's San Francisco. As for me, I prefer the engineering videos :) Cheers.
@@PeakTorque Trainerroad. Weightweenies also has it - copied from trainerroad forum. Edit: @Rob I guess i can delete my reply :) Edit 2: I will leave it and add that the bike also seems to carry the new roval wheels 50front 60rear. And the 3d printed seat. Edit 3: @Peak Torque can you also give an engineering perspetice why I'd be a morron spending $$$ in reducing 10gr from my seatpost. Or even cutting it to size and save 3 grams.
When I saw this on trainerroad I was convinced it was a purposeful leak. But then them asking for it to be taken down from CyclingTips makes me wonder. Anyway, that's another topic in itself, how the manufacturers hold the cycling 'press' hostage. I imagine Specialized said to CyclingTips "If you don't take that down, you're never coming to one of our product launches again." Thats so f**ked up in terms of journalistic integrity, etc. ANYWAY, I still rate Specialized in terms of their bikes so looking forward to riding one. The line between Tarmac and Venge gets ever more blurry. P.S: I'm sure this bike was originally meant to debut at the tour de France so it's interesting to see what other 'alternative' product launches we'll see.
Very detective-ish... Morgan Hill is in the Bay Area of California (just South), so it is very likely that despite the documented weather temperature, a woman could easily still be wearing a lightweight jacket in mid afternoon... 🤷🏽♂️... it looks good...
@@PeakTorque It looks more sexy than a regular, non-integrated stem, but why can't they design, manufacture and test it properly is beyond me. Bike designs go backwards this way. I happen to have a new bike of a top brand with that type of integrated stem. With only 2x11mm spacers underneath. I tighten the top cap bolt to the prescribed 12Nm. 100 miles down the road it is already at 6Nm. I re-tighten, then 100 miles on again back at 6Nm. It doesn't inspire much confidence being like that. Those with 50mm of spacers are fucked.
Hi. I work for Specialized in Morgan Hill and I am good friends with Chris D and Don Langley amongst others. This is indeed an intentional release drip feed into social media to generate chat. It is SL7 which will replace both the SL6 and Venge. Due to an ageing demographic our R & D funds are now being redirected to electric bikes and flat bar all road / gravel bikes. But for now. Enjoy 👍
Max Roth might not be far fetched. The Venge IS only available in two trims. Specialized doesn’t seem interested in expanding the line into less expensive models.
What is your take on this "integrated cables at the handlebar" fetish of all the brands? Yes the cables are integrated, but at the cost of bulkiness(=weight and less aero) and plastic caps+big spacers(= less aesthetics). Unless they cannot integrate it whilst still keeping it slim, I am not a fan.
this is a one-way street, so cars are parked the same way on both sides , see www.google.com/maps/@37.7759163,-122.4120446,3a,50.4y,189.14h,89.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDeYryMba04gS39xg6GU37Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Still doesn't stop them from pricing them at the eye watering level and their customer base falling over each other running with their $$$ in only begging to get robbed.
Dude Chinese tarmac is much better than old ass American roads...... Everything here is still new. Pretty sure this is in southern China, where all S-works frames are made.
Engineer turned forensic expert. Now that is news worthy! Great approach. Short, powerful analysis combined with humour. Like.
Manufacturers can request UCI to hide the details of the upcoming model. That’s probably why you don’t see the SL7 on the equipment listings.
i wonder how much more aero they can make it considering 1) the SL6 was already quite aero (specialized kept claiming it was more aero than the first generation venge) and 2) it'll start intruding into venge territory
‘Indecision makes me say USA’😂😂
This is near Morgan hill California, taken by @timtimzi on ig and the temp can be explained as the pic was taken a few weeks ago
Interesting! Thanks for sharing.
I think this pic was taken in mikes bikes san francisco! I dont know about dropping over $8000 on this bike!
Can you please review the frame on the new tarmac
Peak Torque - ever considered doing a build of a Chinese brand frame - such as Hongfu or Dengfu?
Il stick with Giant for now.
Are you sure this is not the Venge (or a new Venge)? It sure looks like a Venge, except from the seatpost. Hope I'm wrong and that this is a new Tarmac. Im currently saving money to buy one
definitely new tarmac sl7. from a friend of mine on the inside, they've said that the basic plan is getting rid of the venge from the lineup, hence the greater attention to aerodynamic enhancements on this frame.
I heard that as well from a trusted source in Specialized Canada.
Peak Holmes. To be fair, though, norcal weather is super variable. Spring weather even more so. Not far-fetched at all. And yes, those are California sidewalks, vegetation, and land yachts.
I'm more interested in the lower end mould, "comp" level and below. I wonder how close will it be to this one.
Prob wont give u full intergration until PRO lvl
@@mikew9743 The bigger deal is that it won't be the same level of carbon....Groupset and the wheels will be lower grade. The integration of the cables is like a couple watts.
It’s outside of a huge shop in San Francisco, California called Mike’s Bikes. The guy who runs the NorCal Cycling channel rides for their shop team.
Please note there are 2 different UCI homologations: those for executives authorized for racing for which there is a list and there is also UCI homologation from a safety point of view where there is no list available! So for me Specialized has not yet approved its frame for racing in order to avoid leaks (fails) since there is no race currently! In 2017 the Sl6 was presented battery 15 days after the Diverge 2017 -> the new Diverge was released a few days ago ... but something tells me that we will have to wait longer to see it official!
I live in Indonesia and my friend is working as the chief mechanic in an authorized store of Specialized in Jakarta. He indeed has ridden the SL7 from the store exactly like in the spyshot. I'm not sure whether it's been made available to order or not.
Why is it a Dura Ace crank when Spesh usually use SW cranks on SW level bikes?
Definitely California. Curbs and bike lock stand look exactly like something you'd see here. You gotta remember that the CA weather is extremely localized down to a few miles radius sometimes. Generally the hotter it is in Morgan Hill the cooler it'll be up on the Peninsula due to the pressure difference causing cooling wind/fog. I've seen 30F temp swings in 15 miles. Specialized employees live all over the Bay Area. They even have a shuttle to take people from San Francisco to Morgan Hill everyday like Google or FB.
I'd love to live in CA. Is it good?
@@PeakTorque World class riding all year round but crazy expensive. A 650sq ft apartment in SF can easily run $3,500/month. Other areas in the bay are cheaper but only marginally.
@@drunken_moose that's on par with where i live
@@PeakTorque Where do you live now?
If you can get a good job here in engineering or something similar it's pretty good life. The M/F ratio is pretty skewed though, so dating is a bit odd.
Would look to have the new mismatch CLX wheel set also ...And is that the new 12s dura-ace!?
Any idea when the SL7 is gonna be released?
I'm willing to bet this will be lighter, more laterally stiff, and vertically compliant.
14.4456 watts more aero!
And you save 2.5 W to go 50 kmh :D
Sounds like every new bike that comes out - looks like every new bike bike that now comes out
Wrong, actually this one is the exact opposite heavier, Laterally softer like your favorite Pasta noodles, Vertically uncompliant like the good ol days Aero frames. Fragile as porcelain Vase.
It looks like this thing will kill the venge in everyway!
So the 2021-2022 Venge will be called SL7 Tarmac since Specialized will stop the Venge production. Maybe I'll have a Tarmac next year or after the 2nd and 3rd waves of Covid-19...
why do Specialized stop the Venge production? Venge is still for aerodynamics sprinting and it can't be replaced by Tarmac. I think both of Tarmac and Venge should exist together
Goodbye savings account. We were doing so well
James Watson 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Been emailing specialized and the rider care manager told me that they were discontinuing the power cranks because they are going back to threaded BB's. I wouldn't be surprised if this frame is threaded.
I don't see why the push for threaded honestly. It can create even more problems, in particular bonding the alu shell. To me that's a bigger/riskier QC task than making a well toleranced press fit shell.
@@PeakTorque I wonder if they will get rid of OSBB entirely, or be annoying and make a threaded 46x62 and make Praxis charge through the nose.
What is going on with that background noise? Anybody considering it being some type of music?
Specialized tarmac sl7 is a beast:)
Enhance 224 to 176.... Enhance, stop.... Move in, stop.... Pullout track right.... Centre in and pull back.... Track 45 right, stop... Centre and stop.... Enhance 24 to 36..... Etc...
I took the photo. It was taken in San Francisco at Mike’s Bikes on Howard street.
This photo was from NYC, on the west side✌️
The grey car is a Toyota Venza. Every girl in Cali wears yoga pants. It's Norcal, you can tell by the bike rack and looks like a typical norcal street.
I think every girl in the world wears yoga pants? I've been long lulu lemon since 2017. No complaints here.
Manufacturers can request that the UCI don’t release frames on that list until a certain date
The last few days have been a heatwave in Bay Area (sit in your pants with fan blowing on your knackers type of heatwave). I wouldn't assume the photo was taken in hot weather. Recent daily highs were nearer 22c.
Go to TR forum where it came out initially. You have that photo and one other. For a couple of days already. And it's San Francisco.
As for me, I prefer the engineering videos :)
Cheers.
So do i. Btw, what is tr forum??
@@PeakTorque Trainerroad, also on the WeightWeennies forum
@@PeakTorque Trainerroad. Weightweenies also has it - copied from trainerroad forum.
Edit: @Rob I guess i can delete my reply :)
Edit 2: I will leave it and add that the bike also seems to carry the new roval wheels 50front 60rear. And the 3d printed seat.
Edit 3: @Peak Torque can you also give an engineering perspetice why I'd be a morron spending $$$ in reducing 10gr from my seatpost. Or even cutting it to size and save 3 grams.
@@PeakTorque yeah, here: www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/tarmac-sl7-release-date/30822/28
Is this your n+1?
Yes @timtimzi has one more photo up
When I saw this on trainerroad I was convinced it was a purposeful leak. But then them asking for it to be taken down from CyclingTips makes me wonder. Anyway, that's another topic in itself, how the manufacturers hold the cycling 'press' hostage. I imagine Specialized said to CyclingTips "If you don't take that down, you're never coming to one of our product launches again." Thats so f**ked up in terms of journalistic integrity, etc. ANYWAY, I still rate Specialized in terms of their bikes so looking forward to riding one. The line between Tarmac and Venge gets ever more blurry. P.S: I'm sure this bike was originally meant to debut at the tour de France so it's interesting to see what other 'alternative' product launches we'll see.
Trainer road has a forum? Crikey that is anorak level. Even more anorak than the training software? Let me take a look!
So what else is new besides its still a bicycle
Very detective-ish... Morgan Hill is in the Bay Area of California (just South), so it is very likely that despite the documented weather temperature, a woman could easily still be wearing a lightweight jacket in mid afternoon... 🤷🏽♂️... it looks good...
I love that clean Design😇
The music in the background really gave me a headache ahah
Hate to live a day in your shoes around any ambient noise.
Hilarious
Even the sl4 model I still can’t afford it🤕
Plastic spacers under that stem = issues with play developing in that headset.
Agree.. they're not good in compression. Neither are they elastic... periodic tightening of the top cap required.
@@PeakTorque It looks more sexy than a regular, non-integrated stem, but why can't they design, manufacture and test it properly is beyond me. Bike designs go backwards this way. I happen to have a new bike of a top brand with that type of integrated stem. With only 2x11mm spacers underneath. I tighten the top cap bolt to the prescribed 12Nm. 100 miles down the road it is already at 6Nm. I re-tighten, then 100 miles on again back at 6Nm. It doesn't inspire much confidence being like that. Those with 50mm of spacers are fucked.
Jesus , it’s Quincy 😝only thing missing is the time and place of the murder 😂
Sherlock Holmes!👍
S-Works Holmes
Like it. No ugly cables.
Hi. I work for Specialized in Morgan Hill and I am good friends with Chris D and Don Langley amongst others. This is indeed an intentional release drip feed into social media to generate chat. It is SL7 which will replace both the SL6 and Venge. Due to an ageing demographic our R & D funds are now being redirected to electric bikes and flat bar all road / gravel bikes. But for now. Enjoy 👍
Haha if you think there getting rid of the Venge you don’t know anything
Max Roth might not be far fetched. The Venge IS only available in two trims. Specialized doesn’t seem interested in expanding the line into less expensive models.
The guy from my club took this pic
So basically the new tarmac is a venge.
2009 sl2 daily rider
What is your take on this "integrated cables at the handlebar" fetish of all the brands? Yes the cables are integrated, but at the cost of bulkiness(=weight and less aero) and plastic caps+big spacers(= less aesthetics). Unless they cannot integrate it whilst still keeping it slim, I am not a fan.
They have to be that shape to allow the cables to route thro' . Prob be some proprietry spacers as well
@@markrushton1516 yes probably. But I dont see the benefits then.
whats with you comparing stuff to china????
Random Asian might have something to do with where the frames are made?
@@kristophe01 well he doesn't mention much of that, it's comparing random bullshit to china yk
Exactly. These 3k usd frames are made in Shenzhen i think. So at first i thought someone had leaked it from the factory.
Cars are on the wrong side of the road for the US
this is a one-way street, so cars are parked the same way on both sides , see www.google.com/maps/@37.7759163,-122.4120446,3a,50.4y,189.14h,89.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDeYryMba04gS39xg6GU37Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
haha nice!
wow what a disappointment. I would take the 2015 model any day over this.
This thing is already sold in China lmao
Specialized... Boring!!!!! Set China made, mass production, common as muck carbon bike to snooze... 😴
Cool story, thanks for sharing
The only bikes I find interesting are custom made plutonium-boron ones made by elves in Narnia.
Frank Matthews Me too!
David Harper I knew you'd like it. 😘
Still doesn't stop them from pricing them at the eye watering level and their customer base falling over each other running with their $$$ in only begging to get robbed.
Dude Chinese tarmac is much better than old ass American roads...... Everything here is still new. Pretty sure this is in southern China, where all S-works frames are made.