240g between the frames doesn't sound like much to me, and my fat arse, why do they need to run both frames? The comfort is ballpark the same 🤷🏻... Haven't we learned that aero is just generally more beneficial than marginal weight differences? Even when doing 20kmh up hill?
This was great. My initial reaction to the bike was cold, but after seeing it in more detail, and this coverage, my impression has changed and I quite like it. Looking forward to your “more to come“ on this topic. Thanks!
That is pretty awesome Colnago invited you, kudos to them. Love your engineering take on this bike. I kind of like it, price is absolute madness, but I guess I am not a primary customer for Colnago :).
I agree. Glad to see Colnago invite questions and talks with their engineers. This is what bike companies should do. Also respect the engineers justifying their design.
Absolutely brilliant video. Congrats. So good to have educated dialogue with the engineers. Really enjoyed it. Was great to get insights as to the design factors taken into account and compromises to get the best all-round outcome.
And boys and girls this is how we all want to see a bike review !!! Not that marketing bullshit of 3453% stiff or 3434% more aero we want some "proper talking" "some engineering" and that's what you are doing. Chapeau once again.
Nice invite and testament to the quality of the content you put out, more importantly the integrity of your content. I still own my 90s Mapei Art Decor C40. That for me was a period where a Colnago carbon frame was like an exotic supercar. So it’s great to see Colnago at the forefront of design again pushing new designs into the mainstream, with this Y1RS and the recent 3d printed steel bike. It’s a big change aesthetically, but I also believe it will start to become the norm.
Really great video, Alex. Nice and unexpected honor being able to do that but your reputation is really getting noticed. I really do like the look of the Y1RS. It reminds me of my old Kestrel KM40 is a lot of ways. Cheers.
Congratulations on the video and for securing the invitation. Probably the only video I need to watch on this new frame....free of marketing b.s. and hitting the relevant points. I am certainly not a candidate for this bike, however, it is good to see how companies are trying to innovate. I believe Colnago deserves kudos for their efforts on this bike, however, I do not believe that they have achieved anything truly revolutionary.
I don't hate it. I'm just glad someone saw sense and put UDH on a proper racing road bike. I hope others will follow suit. There have been some terrible dropout designs out there lately, especially those with a blind hole. The thread is either bonded in and the frame is one stripped thread away from the bin, or your wheel is held in by one or 2 tiny M3 screws.
Honored that my comment about 90% of the aero being the first 1/3rd, and the thickness/chord ratio made it into your analysis. I detest disk brakes but I really like this bike. With regard to the sloping top tube. They have never made sense to me from an aero standpoint. Look at what you are doing with a sloping top tube, you are making the sine of the top tube angle worth of frontal area (if you cut off the head tube) that consists of a bluff body. You still have the frontal area of the seat tube and/or seat post in its wake. IMO the most aero arrangement would be a completely horizontal top tube, an airfoil seat post, and, like what they have done here, a swept airfoil seat tube which increases the effective chord length. The added benefit of the swept seat tube is the wake shadowing of the rear wheel.
I have also thought there was an aero benefit to horizontal top tubes. Hence the movement away from sloping designs as far back as the first Venge and other aero models including tri-bikes. Another marketing driven reference also about compact frame - so again sloping top tubes. I think I remember the described benefits being increased stiffness. Can someone explain how torsional stiffness is less with a smaller front triangle? Maybe I heard wrong from this discussion.
@@m.talley1660 With carbon you can change the laminating schedule to the extent that I think the actual frame layout becomes secondary when it comes to stiffness. But I should say I think we are going to see the discussion of stiffness change dramatically in the coming years given what the Silverstone pedaling efficiency rig has teased us with. The whole selling point of larger tires is that they effectively reduce the losses that stiffness incurs. The body should not be a damper. Maybe PT will delve into this topic in the future.
Pleasantly surprised and rather impressed Colnago invited you. They would know that you don’t mince words so kudos to you and here’s to more invites mate👍
Good job getting the invite and thanks for pointing out so many details! Also kudos to Colnago for going this route instead of the pure marketing based approach like from Trek for example, really adds some credibility to it.
Please correct me if im wrong, but i seem to remember when PT criticized colnago, and they responded in a very professional and concise manner. They immediately earned my respect. If i do ever buy a carbon frame, itll be colnago, because of how they're treating you.
I think it will be really interesting to see how often Pog will actually use the v4rs now. 240g is a lot but in the tour he consistently climbed at 25-30kph. I think at those speeds the two should be really close
And he’s a lot faster than that going down on the other side and I between the climbs. It would be an odd stage where the light bike makes more sense at his speeds.
@@matthewshaw3747I think you'll be surprised how little Pogačar will ride this bike...I could be wrong, but up until now he's always been very slow to adopt new technology...I think he was even one of the last to ride a rim brakes when everyone has already switched to discs...But like I said...I could be wrong😉
Great video. Nice to see an engineer getting the opportunity to be let loose on the launch, as opposed to an adertizing channel spouting on about the figures that they've been supplied with and the asthetics only.
Always loved the horizontal top tube, the frame looks amazing. The headtube and fork look out of balance with the delicate rear. And thankfully they didn't paint it flat black..let's see some color and joy back in our bikes! And some chrome somewhere..like God intended. And yes, I was just polishing the chrome rear stays on my vintage Dacordi and bright red livery that has gold flakes embedded in the clear coat. Sparkles in the sun like the jewel it is!
Thanks for the video 👍 In many aspects the bike makes a lot of sense- especially in the front. The back is probably 50-50 (marketing - flex which creates some comfort) which is fine. I actually start to like that design. Besides the seat tube this bike looks good (thin, a bit deeper and aero, the fork is cool) and the back... Well... Makes the bike look a bit smaller somehow. I especially like the section above the rear wheel. And considering many many brands just copy the sworks sl8 (the shape is everywhere), this is something new and needed individualism.
Those guys are so cool. I want a job at Colnago! I was scratching my head when I saw this bike , but now everything else(not C5) looks out of date. If only I could see aero...... Leave it.
Great to see you being invited out to these launches now, soon the other channels ( and the pros) will be quoting your lines or at least adding to their lexicon of phrases.
The bike looks snazzier and snazzier the more I look at it. The seatpost may look a bit wacky, but the water bottle integration and those handlebars, man...
I have only taken delivery of the Zwift Ride, but maybe I was too hasty. This for indoor training is what I need!!! Great piece though PT! Excellent too they invited you!
No the previous, more traditional model looked much better imo. This bike is very pinarello esque, not in a good way. It's not ugly just not as good as the Colnagos we have been seeing this year
As an industrial designer I absolutely love the design innovation on this bike - Bravo! The frontal section is incredibly narrow and sharp and the handlebars simply make sense. I reckon (as Chris Miller commented) the rider's view will feel very exposed and thrilling, The offset seat mast is not a new concept but has been handled beautifully, very elegant and neat. Amazing! I'm still waiting for complete integration of LED lights and ride computer from a manufacturer - maybe next time Colnago!?
Maybe I'm wrong but doesn't the sl8 have a 68mm bb, and it's tour stiffness values are pretty good as well as people loving the way the pedaling stiffness feels. Sure it's very light which feels good but those chainstays are not much bigger than the seatstays. I always looked at chainstays size as a bb stiffness indicator but surely that frame has changed things
So glad you got the invite! But did I misunderstand your comment on the bayonet fork? It sounded like you gave Cervelo credit for that design, but Look was doing that 30+ years ago on their KG bikes!
Very cool and informative. I like that you actually dive into the design details with the guys behind the bike. About stiffness: It seems like they admit that the bike is probably less stiff than the V4RS without actually saying it out loud, right?
@@lechprotean yeh. And a tiny amount of adjustment. I did ask them why not an isp then. Their answer: easier for buyers and or new owners to mess it up without writing off the frameset. Can just get a new post. A second owner can also just get a new post which they will do (apparently) at virtually cost price.
Based on the discussion with the Engineers, I read this as; “Shimano wanted a none T47. The only way we could get the aero values (despite the radical front end) was to go external cup BB to make everything in the area super narrow… still wasn’t enough, so we had to progress on the weird seat-tube aero concept. We got there in the end Aero wise, and vertical compliance…. - had to be different (The argument against sloping top tube being affecting ride quality is somewhat ?? Given they have clearly admitted adding a lot of layups to the BB. And hence haven’t won the ‘aero AND on par Weight wise equation’) But yeah, it’s 400g heavier than my 3T Exploro LTD 5 year old gravel bike. So should be more aero! Or more something
Look at you! Congrats! If nothing else a solid validation of your expertise and influence (sorry, time has forced me to hate that word, but still) in this very niche space.
Something i've been surprised nobody is talking about (and fair enough this is a super-hyper-mega bike and not for the light of wallet) is how on earth do you change seat height? I feel like the only way to fit this properly would be to visit Colnago and test on different size frames/seat post lengths. Sure, that works fine for the pros, but us bozos from the bottom of the south pacific would have a bloody hard time trying to make this work if its even a few mm out.
Thanks for your critique, the interview and the nice shots of the bike. However, I would have thought an engineer would know that power (Watts) is not the unit of speed (m/s). Although to his credit, PT does use the term 'faster' (a pseudonym for speed?) rather than 'speed' (unlike some other channels).
When I first saw this bike my immediate thought was there would be a lack of BB stiffness, and that was before I knew about the BB type. Sadly, along with good warranty (particularly with a radical design), BB stiffness is top of the list, because I weigh 80kg. Can’t stand a noodle. Pro riders (I’ve been lucky enough to ride with a few) have the same thought. Stiffness is number 1. I just don’t get the comfort argument these days: just ride 30-32mm tyres at 60-70psi.
Good interview. Regarding slipping single bolt , infinite adjustment seat posts. Im using red thread locker on the friction areas on an mtb post, no slip. And its not hard to take apart for a readjust.
I'm certainly not in the potential market for this bike, but credit where credit is due for doing something genuinely unique. Interested to see how it performs, and if it's truly a (small) step change in frame performance it'll be interesting to see how other brands follow suit in the near future.
Great analysis by PT. Some of my initial questions were cleared here (the seatpost positioning/angle especially, and its correlation with ‘why not sloping TT’). They should work with Giant (I guess) to ensure precision mold to accommodate perfect Press Fit BB alignment (?), and perhaps some input from Adrian Newey (he’s a cyclist or so I heard) and/or Rory Byrne for wind reading. But again, for aero, I wonder when cycling will start to think about downforce and efficiency on winding road rather than straight line only? 🤔 Anyway, great video, PT 👍
Mapdec a week ago: fuuu, narrow, 68mm BSA BB, it doesn't allow fit a tire of good width without making chaistays kilometer long and of course narrow = soft, this is why we have so much different types of BB.
odd-looking bike: looks like Trek were onto something in the first place, which I find a bit strange. Would I like the new Colnago? Actually, Y1RS, I would.
Great video, and congrats on bagging an invitation to the launch. Toe overlap looks like it could be an issue, even on bigger frames. Whilst less of a concern than with a gravel or MTB, it's still far from ideal. Am I right, or is the front wheel not as close to the BB as it looks?
For me it’s love from the first sight. Probably the best looking bicycle in history. I just wish they make it with normal mechanical gear shifting, and also produce version with better less expensive components so the bike costs around ~ 2300 € which would be democratic and appropriate.
Whether it's beautiful or ugly is a subjective judgment, for me it's the most beautiful bike in the world, especially Y part and the front. However, the aerodynamic has always been the driver of aesthetics, every engineer, who usually has no sense of aesthetics, should be in love with aerodynamics and consequently with Y1RS!
Ok, you can’t see aero. That said, to my eye anyway, I can imagin that the leading edge of the seat tube, where it meets with the seat stays may do a good job at funneling turbulent air neatly into what I would refer to as a splitter profile where the stays turn into that junction. The air on the lower end would be smoothed over the tire and a high profile wheel fairly smoothly and above that junction air would flow above in a cleaner zone. Another belief I have is that the more relaxed angle of the leading edges of the seat tube profile may be more aerodynamic than the Cervelo S5 in this area as well due to the angle of attack to the wind hitting it. The Cervelo has an almost vertical leading edge after it wraps around the wheel. There is a reason modern wings on airplanes are delta shaped rather than having 90 degree angles to their fuselages. Obviously this is a very turbulent location because of the rider’s moving legs in that area and the wake created by the forward sections of the frame, but I can imaging that this design may be more than just marketing. All speculation on my part, but that’s my armchair analysis.
I really can't see the upper down tube staying intact. The massive amount of moment on that section of the bike with the seat tube angled that far back is bound to cause failures imho. All of the vertical compliance that the design now has stresses on a tiny portion of the frame.
Mixed bag visually, but if the cd figures are kosher then it’s only the real life, normal human judgement on stuff that matters. Good honest analysis. Looks ground breaking even if risky and aesthetically challenging.
The external cups look better with the colours visible. It is Italian. They can say all they like that it's engineering, but it could only ever be art made with love.
Hi PT, thanks for your great work! Im surching for your Oakley Sutro Ti, but I can't find it in your chrome color. Is it the matte gunmetal? It looks not the same on the pictures like yours.
Does Tadej like the bike? Will handlebar be an issue for Tadej? Separately: as far as the weight goes, I don’t think the weight will be an issue. A bird tells me that there is a group set somewhere being developed +-2200 grams, planed to be installed on this bike.
@@Up2L842moro red 22 and etap are under 2000. Laugh all you want but patent for wireless on 1x has been filed, dont be surprised if they file for 2x as well. That f crankset with PM is exactly 763 grams in size 54/40-165, Which is why he has to use ti chainings, and special bolts, On his TT bike he is using sometimes diffrent crankset from china. New groupset will come out, if they don’t make something very special and light, they will continue to struggle even more and possible end up just like that other company from Italy. Not very long from now 1x will be the future. I will come back to this comment and will continue our “ commendy” in the future when groupset launches. I might by wrong but my bird is usually right, so far it hasn’t failed me.
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Hope you enjoyed that. Let me know if you have any questions, a lot more was covered than i could squeeze in the video. Cheers
how's the Remco hair with Pog bike doing?
@@feedbackzaloop cold. First time ive worn a headband under a helmet in all my years of cycling
I enjoy your take on just about everything lol
240g between the frames doesn't sound like much to me, and my fat arse, why do they need to run both frames? The comfort is ballpark the same 🤷🏻... Haven't we learned that aero is just generally more beneficial than marginal weight differences? Even when doing 20kmh up hill?
This was great. My initial reaction to the bike was cold, but after seeing it in more detail, and this coverage, my impression has changed and I quite like it. Looking forward to your “more to come“ on this topic. Thanks!
That is pretty awesome Colnago invited you, kudos to them. Love your engineering take on this bike. I kind of like it, price is absolute madness, but I guess I am not a primary customer for Colnago :).
I agree. Glad to see Colnago invite questions and talks with their engineers. This is what bike companies should do. Also respect the engineers justifying their design.
What is the price?
@@pinkyfull I belive BikeRadar have comment on their video and they said 16 700 EUR for top spec one.
16.7k with campy group and wheels... Sram Red with Vision 45 is 12.3k
@@StonerOnLane Ok my bad, thanks for info. It is still insane price for my standart, but It is nothing unusual i guess :).
Congrats on the invite PT. Well deserved for all the work you put in!
Much appreciated!
so PT get more reach than GCN now
PT is unfiltered. GCN are a bunch of shills
Colnago wants real info to get released not pump and dump info.
Or could be his video came out first and theirs will be more produced
GCN are just working out how to get Elite wheels and a Silca something-or-other on the bike… 😉
@@BarryDakar 😂😂 Dead on....
Absolutely brilliant video. Congrats. So good to have educated dialogue with the engineers. Really enjoyed it. Was great to get insights as to the design factors taken into account and compromises to get the best all-round outcome.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Peaky referencing Garand Thumb was the last box I needed on my 2024 bingo card
@@PoorWorksmanship no one curbed the engineers. No press officer present. Shows integrity.
Oops replied to the wrong comment! Too many comments!! 🎉
And boys and girls this is how we all want to see a bike review !!! Not that marketing bullshit of 3453% stiff or 3434% more aero we want some "proper talking" "some engineering" and that's what you are doing. Chapeau once again.
Mr. Peak Torque killing it and getting the recognition that he deserves !!! Chapeau mate
this is exactly where I want to learn about a new bike
Absolutely the best review I’ve seen on this bike.
Remember there were few people in history who could see air: Kelly Johnson, Ron Dennis and Jesse Coyle.
Adrian Newey??
@mike_f yeah you might be right with the Newey, but I only really care about Kelly Johnson and Jesse Coyle.
@@mike_f newey sees more than air. Sees red most of the time 🫣
was nice to meet you fella
So he did say hi :)
wow thats huge for the channel gj mate cool video
Nice invite and testament to the quality of the content you put out, more importantly the integrity of your content.
I still own my 90s Mapei Art Decor C40. That for me was a period where a Colnago carbon frame was like an exotic supercar. So it’s great to see Colnago at the forefront of design again pushing new designs into the mainstream, with this Y1RS and the recent 3d printed steel bike.
It’s a big change aesthetically, but I also believe it will start to become the norm.
Love my C40, too!! And yes, C40 was ahead of it's time.
Really great video, Alex. Nice and unexpected honor being able to do that but your reputation is really getting noticed. I really do like the look of the Y1RS. It reminds me of my old Kestrel KM40 is a lot of ways. Cheers.
Thankyou for this. Plus well done to Colnago for inviting you. Shows some integrity from them. Especially letting their engineers out of the labs.
Congratulations on the video and for securing the invitation. Probably the only video I need to watch on this new frame....free of marketing b.s. and hitting the relevant points. I am certainly not a candidate for this bike, however, it is good to see how companies are trying to innovate. I believe Colnago deserves kudos for their efforts on this bike, however, I do not believe that they have achieved anything truly revolutionary.
You've sold out Peak Torque! Just kidding, hopefully you had some fun on your trip. Let's get Peak Torque at every bike launch
They dont pay you to attend, that would be great if they did 🤗
Top work on securing the invite for this launch and for making this and all your other videos. Onto the next!
I don't hate it. I'm just glad someone saw sense and put UDH on a proper racing road bike. I hope others will follow suit. There have been some terrible dropout designs out there lately, especially those with a blind hole. The thread is either bonded in and the frame is one stripped thread away from the bin, or your wheel is held in by one or 2 tiny M3 screws.
Is it confirmed to be UDH?
Honored that my comment about 90% of the aero being the first 1/3rd, and the thickness/chord ratio made it into your analysis. I detest disk brakes but I really like this bike. With regard to the sloping top tube. They have never made sense to me from an aero standpoint. Look at what you are doing with a sloping top tube, you are making the sine of the top tube angle worth of frontal area (if you cut off the head tube) that consists of a bluff body. You still have the frontal area of the seat tube and/or seat post in its wake.
IMO the most aero arrangement would be a completely horizontal top tube, an airfoil seat post, and, like what they have done here, a swept airfoil seat tube which increases the effective chord length. The added benefit of the swept seat tube is the wake shadowing of the rear wheel.
I was thinking the same about the horizontal top tube, but of course I'm not an aero expert, but maybe aero had something to do with it.
I have also thought there was an aero benefit to horizontal top tubes. Hence the movement away from sloping designs as far back as the first Venge and other aero models including tri-bikes.
Another marketing driven reference also about compact frame - so again sloping top tubes. I think I remember the described benefits being increased stiffness. Can someone explain how torsional stiffness is less with a smaller front triangle?
Maybe I heard wrong from this discussion.
A sloping top tube helps with both frame structural qualities and rider body drag, at minimal cost in frame drag. It's a net aerodynamic benefit.
@@m.talley1660 With carbon you can change the laminating schedule to the extent that I think the actual frame layout becomes secondary when it comes to stiffness.
But I should say I think we are going to see the discussion of stiffness change dramatically in the coming years given what the Silverstone pedaling efficiency rig has teased us with. The whole selling point of larger tires is that they effectively reduce the losses that stiffness incurs. The body should not be a damper. Maybe PT will delve into this topic in the future.
@@benrothacker how does it help with rider body drag?
Pleasantly surprised and rather impressed Colnago invited you. They would know that you don’t mince words so kudos to you and here’s to more invites mate👍
You're starting to look like the Dr. House of bicycle engineering mate. ❤
That was awesome. New subscriber! You had great questions and really put them on the spot. Props to the Colnago engineers for answering well
Good job getting the invite and thanks for pointing out so many details! Also kudos to Colnago for going this route instead of the pure marketing based approach like from Trek for example, really adds some credibility to it.
Big media now... one of us, one of us 😉
Please correct me if im wrong, but i seem to remember when PT criticized colnago, and they responded in a very professional and concise manner. They immediately earned my respect. If i do ever buy a carbon frame, itll be colnago, because of how they're treating you.
@@atulraj3410 i dont remember, when was that?
I think it will be really interesting to see how often Pog will actually use the v4rs now. 240g is a lot but in the tour he consistently climbed at 25-30kph. I think at those speeds the two should be really close
And he’s a lot faster than that going down on the other side and I between the climbs. It would be an odd stage where the light bike makes more sense at his speeds.
@@matthewshaw3747I think you'll be surprised how little Pogačar will ride this bike...I could be wrong, but up until now he's always been very slow to adopt new technology...I think he was even one of the last to ride a rim brakes when everyone has already switched to discs...But like I said...I could be wrong😉
@@MegaPapagaj But he was one of the first high profile riders to switch to 165 cranks on the roadbike though
Weight of frame shouldn’t matter as they’ll get both bikes to the minimum weight
Congrats PT, you made it! I hope you enjoyed every second of the presentation
Refreshing to see an engineers' perspective on the design, thank you!
Great video! Loved the discussion with the engineers too. Colnago with bike release of the year was definitely not on my 2024 bingo card!
Great video. Nice to see an engineer getting the opportunity to be let loose on the launch, as opposed to an adertizing channel spouting on about the figures that they've been supplied with and the asthetics only.
Such a good interview with the two fellas !. Great video 🎉
that was great, thanks for the interview to you and the colnago guys!
As a fan of the old Venge, i am happy to see an aero bike. I could never afford this but I'm all for it.
2025 might be the best new bike year in a long time
Always loved the horizontal top tube, the frame looks amazing. The headtube and fork look out of balance with the delicate rear. And thankfully they didn't paint it flat black..let's see some color and joy back in our bikes! And some chrome somewhere..like God intended. And yes, I was just polishing the chrome rear stays on my vintage Dacordi and bright red livery that has gold flakes embedded in the clear coat. Sparkles in the sun like the jewel it is!
A Worthwhile video NO BS TG im waiting for part two by PT thank you.
Thanks for the video 👍
In many aspects the bike makes a lot of sense- especially in the front. The back is probably 50-50 (marketing - flex which creates some comfort) which is fine.
I actually start to like that design. Besides the seat tube this bike looks good (thin, a bit deeper and aero, the fork is cool) and the back... Well... Makes the bike look a bit smaller somehow.
I especially like the section above the rear wheel.
And considering many many brands just copy the sworks sl8 (the shape is everywhere), this is something new and needed individualism.
I think your first paragraph sums up my opinion pretty well.
These guys come across very well. Great video and analysis. I'm sure Hambini may be excited to see this.
Kudos, really keen review. Remind me to go to your channel first next time! What a fantastic bike, the engineers and designers did a great job.
Those guys are so cool. I want a job at Colnago! I was scratching my head when I saw this bike , but now everything else(not C5) looks out of date. If only I could see aero...... Leave it.
@@edmundhodgson2572 certainly makes my humble bmc feel a bit old hat 🎩
Great to see you being invited out to these launches now, soon the other channels ( and the pros) will be quoting your lines or at least adding to their lexicon of phrases.
I'm not a roadie but these non-clickbait tooltips get me every time
The bike looks snazzier and snazzier the more I look at it. The seatpost may look a bit wacky, but the water bottle integration and those handlebars, man...
I have only taken delivery of the Zwift Ride, but maybe I was too hasty. This for indoor training is what I need!!!
Great piece though PT! Excellent too they invited you!
Nothing can save Jaguar
Get the colnago boys in to save it 😂
Now that is a proper bike-check, nice one PT.
Great video with no double talking bs just this is why we did this or that. Great job gentlemen!
The final sentence :D :D :D Nice vid, congrats on being there!
I would not be able to resist the temptation to ride that bike
The bike looks absolutely fantastic.
No, it doesn´t. Almost as ugly as a triathlon bike.
No the previous, more traditional model looked much better imo. This bike is very pinarello esque, not in a good way. It's not ugly just not as good as the Colnagos we have been seeing this year
As an industrial designer I absolutely love the design innovation on this bike - Bravo! The frontal section is incredibly narrow and sharp and the handlebars simply make sense. I reckon (as Chris Miller commented) the rider's view will feel very exposed and thrilling, The offset seat mast is not a new concept but has been handled beautifully, very elegant and neat. Amazing! I'm still waiting for complete integration of LED lights and ride computer from a manufacturer - maybe next time Colnago!?
^ what this guy said! Need more sleek integration of the essentials straight from the factory. Yes, even on a race bike. I commute on my sl8 damnit!
Maybe I'm wrong but doesn't the sl8 have a 68mm bb, and it's tour stiffness values are pretty good as well as people loving the way the pedaling stiffness feels. Sure it's very light which feels good but those chainstays are not much bigger than the seatstays. I always looked at chainstays size as a bb stiffness indicator but surely that frame has changed things
i cant wait to see them race with this bike!
Thanks for the vid. Loved watching, quite a crazy bike design.
Very good technical interview. Well done.
Great video PT, plenty of good info in this
It's nice to see them innovate. Pogi s bike looked like the most OEM frame imaginable, and we know it tested slow.
So glad you got the invite! But did I misunderstand your comment on the bayonet fork? It sounded like you gave Cervelo credit for that design, but Look was doing that 30+ years ago on their KG bikes!
Very cool and informative. I like that you actually dive into the design details with the guys behind the bike. About stiffness: It seems like they admit that the bike is probably less stiff than the V4RS without actually saying it out loud, right?
ohh, how much I enjoy these no BS product videos ☺ keep it up and let me know if you pass Valencia on the bike - I know a few good climbs and bakeries
@@kautzz only going as far north as Denia probably on the bike
Great video, really enjoyed it. On the seeing aero thing, the channel you refer to use that in a satirical manner, I think.
seat adjustment with a hacksaw?
I belive so. I read somewhere that you have about 1.5cm (wasn't exactly sure if in total or up and down each) of adjustment.
@@lechprotean yeh. And a tiny amount of adjustment. I did ask them why not an isp then. Their answer: easier for buyers and or new owners to mess it up without writing off the frameset. Can just get a new post. A second owner can also just get a new post which they will do (apparently) at virtually cost price.
Based on the discussion with the Engineers, I read this as; “Shimano wanted a none T47. The only way we could get the aero values (despite the radical front end) was to go external cup BB to make everything in the area super narrow… still wasn’t enough, so we had to progress on the weird seat-tube aero concept.
We got there in the end Aero wise, and vertical compliance…. - had to be different
(The argument against sloping top tube being affecting ride quality is somewhat ?? Given they have clearly admitted adding a lot of layups to the BB. And hence haven’t won the ‘aero AND on par Weight wise equation’)
But yeah, it’s 400g heavier than my 3T Exploro LTD 5 year old gravel bike. So should be more aero! Or more something
cool video mate. you can see the moment the engineers go, ah sh*t this guy knows what he's talking about when he mentions about the width of the BB
Yeah the touching of the face at that point (often indicates a lie being told) shows he wasn't entirely comfortable with that part of the discussion.
First to do the external steerer tube design was not cervelo. It was Argon 18.
I think that seat tube/seat stay area looks good!
Nice to see Colnago go back to their heritage, making batsh*t crazy stuff again
Look at you! Congrats! If nothing else a solid validation of your expertise and influence (sorry, time has forced me to hate that word, but still) in this very niche space.
I think once you ride it , you will forget about the looks. but i find it looks awesome to my eyes.
Something i've been surprised nobody is talking about (and fair enough this is a super-hyper-mega bike and not for the light of wallet) is how on earth do you change seat height? I feel like the only way to fit this properly would be to visit Colnago and test on different size frames/seat post lengths. Sure, that works fine for the pros, but us bozos from the bottom of the south pacific would have a bloody hard time trying to make this work if its even a few mm out.
it is not like your LBS will stock them... I suppose they will come with a fit so you also eliminate guess work with the bars - as to reach at least.
Anyone buying this bike (or any in this category) without a bike fit deserve to make a mess of it! 😂
One thing that strikes me is the bar width on the Y1RS at 0:11.
It looks much wider than what we can see on the V4RS Pogacar used in 2024
Thanks for your critique, the interview and the nice shots of the bike.
However, I would have thought an engineer would know that power (Watts) is not the unit of speed (m/s). Although to his credit, PT does use the term 'faster' (a pseudonym for speed?) rather than 'speed' (unlike some other channels).
When I first saw this bike my immediate thought was there would be a lack of BB stiffness, and that was before I knew about the BB type. Sadly, along with good warranty (particularly with a radical design), BB stiffness is top of the list, because I weigh 80kg. Can’t stand a noodle. Pro riders (I’ve been lucky enough to ride with a few) have the same thought. Stiffness is number 1. I just don’t get the comfort argument these days: just ride 30-32mm tyres at 60-70psi.
Great video! The look is growing on me. The price is not! Did David Arthur say hi?
First bike that gets sold in Australia will be Chris Miller from The Nero Show
Good looking bike especially with the black and white pain scheme but insanely priced.
Good interview. Regarding slipping single bolt , infinite adjustment seat posts. Im using red thread locker on the friction areas on an mtb post, no slip. And its not hard to take apart for a readjust.
Would love to have one of these bike. Looks so hot. Shame i dont have a NZ$21k lying around for the entry level model.
Hard to believe the rear triangle is going to have much compliance. Definitely going to want to run the 28 mm on the rear.
I think it's super rad looking myself.
I'm certainly not in the potential market for this bike, but credit where credit is due for doing something genuinely unique. Interested to see how it performs, and if it's truly a (small) step change in frame performance it'll be interesting to see how other brands follow suit in the near future.
Great analysis by PT. Some of my initial questions were cleared here (the seatpost positioning/angle especially, and its correlation with ‘why not sloping TT’). They should work with Giant (I guess) to ensure precision mold to accommodate perfect Press Fit BB alignment (?), and perhaps some input from Adrian Newey (he’s a cyclist or so I heard) and/or Rory Byrne for wind reading. But again, for aero, I wonder when cycling will start to think about downforce and efficiency on winding road rather than straight line only? 🤔
Anyway, great video, PT 👍
Mapdec a week ago: fuuu, narrow, 68mm BSA BB, it doesn't allow fit a tire of good width without making chaistays kilometer long and of course narrow = soft, this is why we have so much different types of BB.
odd-looking bike: looks like Trek were onto something in the first place, which I find a bit strange. Would I like the new Colnago? Actually, Y1RS, I would.
Kestrel circa 2010 might have something to say about that seatpost situation. I'm coming around to it
Great video, and congrats on bagging an invitation to the launch. Toe overlap looks like it could be an issue, even on bigger frames. Whilst less of a concern than with a gravel or MTB, it's still far from ideal. Am I right, or is the front wheel not as close to the BB as it looks?
For me it’s love from the first sight. Probably the best looking bicycle in history. I just wish they make it with normal mechanical gear shifting, and also produce version with better less expensive components so the bike costs around ~ 2300 € which would be democratic and appropriate.
PNW ‘er here. Only time I heard “tip to butt” was when I was a Marine infantryman aboard a Navy ship. Seamen use that expression quite often….😅
Whether it's beautiful or ugly is a subjective judgment, for me it's the most beautiful bike in the world, especially Y part and the front. However, the aerodynamic has always been the driver of aesthetics, every engineer, who usually has no sense of aesthetics, should be in love with aerodynamics and consequently with Y1RS!
Full Michael Fassbender vibes with the new shave
Love it !!! It’s stunning ❤
Ok, you can’t see aero. That said, to my eye anyway, I can imagin that the leading edge of the seat tube, where it meets with the seat stays may do a good job at funneling turbulent air neatly into what I would refer to as a splitter profile where the stays turn into that junction. The air on the lower end would be smoothed over the tire and a high profile wheel fairly smoothly and above that junction air would flow above in a cleaner zone. Another belief I have is that the more relaxed angle of the leading edges of the seat tube profile may be more aerodynamic than the Cervelo S5 in this area as well due to the angle of attack to the wind hitting it. The Cervelo has an almost vertical leading edge after it wraps around the wheel. There is a reason modern wings on airplanes are delta shaped rather than having 90 degree angles to their fuselages. Obviously this is a very turbulent location because of the rider’s moving legs in that area and the wake created by the forward sections of the frame, but I can imaging that this design may be more than just marketing. All speculation on my part, but that’s my armchair analysis.
I really can't see the upper down tube staying intact. The massive amount of moment on that section of the bike with the seat tube angled that far back is bound to cause failures imho. All of the vertical compliance that the design now has stresses on a tiny portion of the frame.
Mixed bag visually, but if the cd figures are kosher then it’s only the real life, normal human judgement on stuff that matters. Good honest analysis. Looks ground breaking even if risky and aesthetically challenging.
The external cups look better with the colours visible. It is Italian. They can say all they like that it's engineering, but it could only ever be art made with love.
Hi PT, thanks for your great work! Im surching for your Oakley Sutro Ti, but I can't find it in your chrome color. Is it the matte gunmetal? It looks not the same on the pictures like yours.
Love the very last line of that interview 😂😂😂
Does Tadej like the bike?
Will handlebar be an issue for Tadej?
Separately: as far as the weight goes, I don’t think the weight will be an issue. A bird tells me that there is a group set somewhere being developed +-2200 grams, planed to be installed on this bike.
Yeah, SRAM Red 22 mechanical with cable brakes. Maybe they’ll use Yokozuna calipers. Or maybe Pauls will do a run of Klampers in UAE colors 😂
Dura Ace 1x13?
@@Up2L842moro red 22 and etap are under 2000. Laugh all you want but patent for wireless on 1x has been filed, dont be surprised if they file for 2x as well. That f crankset with PM is exactly 763 grams in size 54/40-165,
Which is why he has to use ti chainings, and special bolts, On his TT bike he is using sometimes diffrent crankset from china. New groupset will come out, if they don’t make something very special and light, they will continue to struggle even more and possible end up just like that other company from Italy. Not very long from now 1x will be the future. I will come back to this comment and will continue our “ commendy” in the future when groupset launches. I might by wrong but my bird is usually right, so far it hasn’t failed me.