We live in an age where being a fan of almost anything these days comes with a built-in high level of disappointment. It's so crazy. From movies, to shows, to video games, we as fans no longer get the joy of "looking forward to" something. It makes me cherish even more the memories I have from the 80s and 90s. Kids today have no idea what they missed out on...which might be a good thing?
Lucas made his movies. We need to be happy with that. Or you can buy tabletop games "Rebellion" and "The Clone Wars" which are really good. With Rebellion you may think $100 for a base box is expensive, but it has 153 miniatures. I recommend to buy the expansion of Rebellion "rise of the empire" because it makes the game better.
When I think of that quote, what comes mind is that page from that one mini kids book on if Darth Vader parented Luke and Lea. Talking about Luke’s bedtime as a kid 😂
How can Disney just up the fee from 22% to 33% how is that legal? Did they not agree to a number when they signed a contract? And if so then how can Disney just breach the contract and increase the cost from 22% to 33%? This makes no sense.
Again licensing is a separate deal. You get the license deal in place first and then you start to develop products with it. The licensing is something that must be renewed yearly or every other year, etc. Whereas the product you develop can take several years to create. They're NOT dumb to bake licensing into each individual product. The overheard in financing alone with that would be outrageous!
Battlefront II was just a microtransaction away from perfection. I would've been on board for a Battlefront III with a Battlefield-like all-out confrontation, ground to space maps. Instead they went to Fortnite. It's like COD ditching multi-platform for mobile.
What are you yapping about? Fortnite has a way bigger player count then battlefront. Thats a terrible comparison. They also bought a stake to use unreal engine and it’s not like Fortnite has Star Wars exclusivity.
@@jacksonhahn Star Wars needs a more realistic experience to be fair. Maybe they will pull it off somehow but Epic Games has a more lighthearted approach to their games. Star Wars is gritty and that's how it should remain for it to work.
I said it when we got those announcements not too long ago, You can never get your hopes up with Star Wars game announcements until the game is actually finished and releasing.
@@niccomakk Thats questionable. Some would say Chapek tried to clean up Igers mess that was slowly being integrated, Chapek wouldnt conform, and got booted out. These issues/plans dont pop up overnight, they are planned and panned out couple years in advance.
@@niccomakkyou seriously want me to believe this is chapeks fault? He was there like less than 2 years. What could he have possibly affected? Most movies they came out were set in stone before he even came.
The easiest decision of my short adult life was unsubscribing from Disney+. The hardest decision of my short adult life was turning my back on the slow, painful implosion of Star Wars under Disney’s mismanagement. And now this news with Disney and their predatory practices against VG studios to cope with profit losses from D+ and their streak of box office bombs. Another real tragedy.
Epic games will be worse than EA mark my words. At least EA gave us battlefront 2 and jedi franchise. Epic games will just be cartoony childish shit, it’s gonna be terrible.
@@haiderz4510ah yes, epic games makes amazing cartoony games like gears of war, safe for any child to play 😂 don’t forget what they’ve made in the past
Game developer here: Disney licensing cut is huge(according to the Insomniac leak) so there's some validation to this rumor. The industry is hurting in general and Disney asking for more is totally within their ballpark
This isn’t crazy. Disney isn’t here to appease you. Games will still come out. This is a great business move, and these types of moves are you what get in our basically unregulated capitalistic economy
@@kingkrow420 They are if they want my money. They can waste all the money they want to on games, but if they don't make games that appease the fans enough for them to buy said games, they'll lost a lot of money. And, theoretically, go bankrupt.
the probpem with disney share holders is that at least half of them are boomers who are honorary mousekateers. (or however its spelt), back when that was a thing they managed to seal absolute loyalty with these people through that and other programs like it. seriesly, its creepy how cult like their fanaticism with it is. im half convinced that disney could tell them to go out to murder and pillage and theyd do it.
If true it's a very short term move. Disney is burning a LOT of bridges with this and they are going to be forced to do everything in house because no gaming studio is going to want to touch them after this
They won't ruin the engine. ALOT of new games use unreal engine already and they all feel the same, because that is how a game engine works. Why Skyrim and Fallout have the same menus and feel... Same engine. Disney wanting free use of Unreal engine is bad for them, They will just make a bunch of carbon copy games that flop because they will feel like every game that has already been made and played on unreal engine.
@@rl2338 is not the engine what worries me, is the fact that they could put a BS copyritgh clause for using the engine and ban or profit from any content that is barely similar to any of the disney IPs, a guy with a glowing sword? "that's basically a lightsaber! where's my cut from using that asset??"
@@rl2338It is for the usage of unreal engine in their dome setup that uses the engine to create background for the movies. That is way more important to them than games
The only thing you can root for disney to do is destroy something so hopefully they buy it out and destroy because i’m so sick of Unreal Engine too many garbage AAA and indie cash grabs on it and usually unoptimized to oblivion.
Hasbro had similar issues with Disney and it shows when you see what toys they're forced to make and how badly the quality has dropped since around 2015.
@drewblanktalks it's not just star wars toys that suffered because of Disney. Marvel toys also started going downhill about the same time. Then came the forced toys nobody wanted and in higher numbers in cases than chase figures.
George: i don trust other companies with my brand they'll mess the brand up Fandom: you already messed up the brand George: You have No IDEA 5-10 years Later Fandom: Uh Oh
Those were the days. I remember getting a Star Wars game and feeling like I hit the lottery or something. Rogue Squadron, Shadows of the Empire, Jedi Knight series, Republic Commando, what a time it was...
Everytime I hear about Disney’s relationship with Epic, I am reminded that there is a fundamental piece of Star Wars lore, Sidious’s message to the Galaxy, that could exclusively be heard during a live service event on Fortnite. I think that hurt more than anything else, realizing that Disney had completely sold out and that Fortnite was the sole herald of the emperor’s return, cementing itself as a key part of the Star Wars mythos. Fortnite.
it wasn't even a good live event it started off with the falcon taking on ti fighters, awesome revealed lightsabers, blasters and other star wars stuff, awesome then jj abrams comes on to a stage and talks for 10 minutes💀💀
@@starwarsjoey228well I mean that’s what it was advertised as, a sneak peak at episode 9. Not as a real event so they did exactly what they set out to do with it.
@@jman72898yeah, i guess it was good for starwars fans, and bad for fortnite fans, the problem is more fortnite fans went to the event then star wars fans lol also the seak peak was the gang coming out of a ship and shooting 2 storm troopers💀💀
Exactly, although Disney still would have so much power. My hope is that Epic gets blacklisted and crumbles along with Disney, but that's only my hope.
the only way I could see this going, is Disney creating their own gaming division, because if they didn't then I can't see any external developer working with them, especially if they can just change rates in pre-existing deals
They don’t know jack shit about creating games. But they’ll squeeze the every penny out of companies wanting to make games with their IPs. It’s almost as if they don’t know the risks that are involved with creating video games and how they can blow up and not make any money. Makes it not worth the risk for gaming companies if they can’t reap the reward. They’d have to buy a company. That’s all they know how to do anymore, buy, buy, buy.
@@JohnnyUtah86yeah and Lucas arts developed some pretty solid games. Was a shame they shuttered it. I have to say that Disney doing this the way they did burned whatever bridges they may have built with developers. This could have been done differently so that they still could have opened their own game division and honored the existing contracts to garner good will. I’m sure this will be chalked up as a money saving move to fix share prices, short term, but it’s likely to damage the brands by either relationships with developers, cost of software or both. Honestly games have gotten so expensive I generally don’t buy them unless they are sub 20 bucks. But I also don’t have the time to play games like I did when I was younger.
I recall the EA CEO, Andrew Wilson (I think), was not a big fan of the Star Wars exclusivity license. He wanted to do what they're now doing; focusing more on their own IPs. interesting how SWTOR has navigated the turmoil so far. That said, it's future comes across as hazy despite statements from Broadsword. Current expansion, Legacy of The Sith, is 2 yrs deep without much story progression, which is worrying to those of us who still play. Broadsword insist that development is still on going, despite a much smaller team, and more content is on the way. I take them at their word...for now. SWTOR is one of the few entertainment mediums that feels Star Wars, in my opinion.
SWTOR sits in an unusual place, as it's grandfathered into the pre-Disney agreement. It's the only Star Wars game that EA has essentially complete control over - having said that, they probably don't want to piss off the largest entertainment brand in the world, so they're hesitant to put any investment into it. Bioware also got caught using funds from TOR to help keep their brand afloat - which is part of the reason why expansions/updates were extremely slow on TOR. (Evidently their big bombs have them on the chopping block, and I wouldn't be surprised if they get shuttered if Dragon Age 4 doesn't do well). All this to say: I was a bit worried about the move to Broadsword, since Broadsword has only ever really managed dying MMOs. But, with most of the TOR dev team having left Bioware, and gone to Broadsword, I think we might actually get MORE content within the next few years than we've seen since KOTFE/KOTET. I think EA has just been struggling with what to do with SWTOR, since they still make money on it, with doing very little. However, if they continue to do nothing it will be dead Semi-related: I also think that SWTOR is the only product that still feels "Star Warsy". Hopefully you're a bit encouraged by this news.
@@funchfries Like most these days, I am cautiously optimistic. I do believe the SWTOR devs, now at Broadsword, want to push out more content, and have at least a 5 yr plan to do so. However, this assumes Lucasarts/Disney are fine with the narrative presence of the game and are happy for Broadsword to lead. I can see this game ending up as a standard bearer for the entire franchise provided they (Lucasarts/Disney) have the sense to not interfere with further development of this game. As for Bioware; my attention has increasingly been focused on the activities of their former devs, namely James Ohlen and his company, Archetype Entertainment. Their forthcoming game, Exodus, has me very intrigued. Given who else is involved with its development, it stirs the same feelings as Mass Effect 1 and 2. :D
@@funchfriesTOR is dying bruh, that's just a fact. It's like 12 yrs old and an MMO, it's a dying game and a dying genre. It had a good run though, and may still be afloat for years.
If there were contracts signed, how could Iger just change the percentages? Wouldn't that break the deal? If so, there must have been some clause that allowed them to do so. Interesting nonetheless.
Licensing isn't part of the contract, its a requirement (prelude). You are talking about two different contracts that affect each other. That's how licensing works. You are issued a license to use an IP which usually reupps yearly or bi-annually sometimes..... once you have that, you can then enter into contracts for product development UNDER that license.
Disney has really moved to full-on evil over the last few years. May their empire crumble. Perhaps, although I gag at the thought, EA and others should consider Rebel Moon games as an alterative?
@@Maria_Espino perhaps you'd like to know that sandbox survival multiplayer game called Dune Awakening is in development and trailer came out in the last 24 hours
When you hear news like this it really makes you want to just for once sit in on one of those Disney board meetings and while not participate but listen on the thought process of those there and try to figure out why they make some of the decisions they do
Bob is basically Palpatine. Machinations to have more power but doesn't see the ewoks on Endor are gonna f up his shield preventing others from making stuff under the IP. The fans... we're the ewoks.
Merging D+ and Hulu would be a big brain move. It would look good on them. Cause having two streaming services with different pricing options just screams greed like most things nowadays.
If EA thought they would make mega-bucks with the Mandalorian game, they would absolutely never cancel it. Of course it's Disney's fault, they are the ones that made Star Wars an unsellable brand.
@@shadowcat1606 Yea Disney needs new leadership but for the question as to what he CAN do to save starwars is fire Kathleen Kennedy and hire an actual competent president for lucasfilms and stop that woke nonsense
The thing I am noticing also, is that Disney keeps absorbing and merging like an overloaded tick....and a merger with You would seem plausible. The problem is there isn't enough creativity of vision, so I can envision a return to the bar old days where a lot of WE games are bad.
NGL hearing Disney+ was ending, and it was all moving to Hulu made me happy. Disney+ always gives me problems on desktop, and I could never figure out why. None of the other services, including Hulu, ever had the same problems.
I remember every one was mad when they thought Netflix was gonna add ads to their platform. I kid you not I got an ad on Disney plus trying to watch a movie. You think a company is bad and then Disney comes and takes a step further
The thing that I don’t understand is, why is Star Wars outlaws not a create your own character style RPG? That seems like that would be one of the biggest appeals to that style of game is creating your own character and being able to take him throughout the galaxy massive L if you ask me.
I never meant to cause you any sorrow I never meant to cause you any pain I only wanted one time to see you laughing I only want to see you laughing in the purple rain
@@snipingflute4346 I still cannot believe they never thought to make a "Diners, Drive ins, and Dives" with at least one season of just recipes their chefs and fans created, made by THEIR chefs, using actors as various aliens and cg to touch them up to look like authentic alien ingredients with a "how to make at home" link/special every episode... People would watch that.
The exclusivity agreement was for one decade after it was signed, iirc. This may just be the new terms for EA to re-up, and intentionally made totally unworkable. I can't say I'm sad, EA did F all with the license and utterly failed to replace Lucas Arts.
@@JerryJames-h5o They removed it when either when infinity war or endgame released. So you either have to pirate the game or buy the game on ebay. You'll be lucky to find it somewhere else cause they barely sold any physical copies.
Upping the fee is also a breach of contract, disney can't do that unilaterally. Unless the profit share is a completely separate deal and not set in the licensing agreement.
@@paulallen2680 What ended was an exclusivity deal. They wouldn't be able to sell ANYTHING without a license deal. And YES.... a license deal and a product development deal are two VERY different contracts. Licenses are renewed yearly or in some case bi-annually. Products can take YEARS to develop.
Holy crap!!!!! Damn you Lucas, you were the chosen one. It was said you would destroy the Sith not join them! bring balance to the video games, not leave it in darkness!!!
i would happily take absolutely NO more star wars content (shows, games, movies, etc.) if it meant they would stop desecrating my beloved franchise, even if this would keep me from getting some good stuff.
Hell...I'm still waiting for '1313.' As I've basically shut off all interest in new SW this is basically the last thing I was looking forward to & it's all that comes up when I think of new SW.
I don't get it how that Bob Iger can just immediately increase Disney's cut of games, without any recourse from EA? Surely, there would've been clauses in the contract that prevented Disney of being able to do this?
A license deal and a product development contract are two VERY different monetary vehicles. Licenses are renewed yearly or in some case bi-annually; you must have a license deal to even come up with a product idea. Products are then separate contracts that depend on you HOLDING a license and as we know products can take YEARS to develop.
So EA is offended it has to pay more money after it got the licensing it bought already for a steep price? How could a company do that to it's customers?
Interesting video and it makes sense. Looking at it from a gaming perspective for a moment, both EA and Sony made announcements of layoffs last week. Spider-Man developer: Insomniac announced layoffs, which was somewhat a surprise due to Spider-Man 2 selling well last year. There were also leaks the development for Spider-Man 2 had an insane budget. Assuming your source is accurate, what you're saying jives with what is being seen with Marvel IP in gaming as well. This may affect a future the Spider-Man games and the upcoming Wolverine game in some way along with any other gaming Disney IPs not being worked on by Epic.
The point about Unreal engine makes total sense. Remember, the images created for The Volume are made through the unreal engine. Disney couls produce a ton of stuff if they had full usage. Also, epic games is a better game studio for Disney IPs than the Disney gaming studio.
I need to see the So Random version of Seth Meyers' Second Chance Theatre. It was fun to see the SNL actors perform their rejected sketches 15-20 years later.
This doesn’t seem right. They shouldn’t be able to change how much of the cut they get after the contract has already been signed, unless EA has the worst legal team possible. What would stop Bob from being able to ask for 100%? Clearly he can’t do that, and he shouldn’t be able to add even a single % unless the contract agreed he could do that.
Well, I was initially looking forward to the KOTOR remake a couple of years on the PS5. This will most likely kill any further rumours in developing the game.
The problem with the entertainment business is that it’s business. The way capitalism works money, power and control is always the priority. Not art, creativity or fun.
In order to believe that Iger is as smart as you say, I would have to first see him do something that isn't already in the Wall Street CEO playbook. Bob doesn't have original ideas. Neither is he as smart as you think. He knows how to spend money (buy IP), cut costs, and raise prices.
No. It is not. A license deal and a product development contract are two VERY different monetary vehicles. Licenses are renewed yearly or in some case bi-annually; you must have a license deal to even come up with a product idea. Products are then separate contracts that depend on you HOLDING a license and as we know products can take YEARS to develop.
So "F" the fans. I'm done with Disney. Lucas, yes you needed a "happy wife for a happy life", so sold Star Wars, but dude, you totally "F'd" the fans doing it and here is the results of your work! Down the toilet!
No lawyer here, I don’t understand how a company can ask for more of a percentage after a contract has been signed? I get that there is obviously a loop hole or something there, but that seems like companies would have wording like that in the contract so they don’t get screwed!
I can see how its a "clever" business move, but not a "good" one. The guy has zero integrity and back stagged the peoole he made deals with by trying to extort their profits to get them to cancel their project.
I haven’t seen the contracts but as an attorney I find it hard to believe that there was a provision that allowed Disney the ability to unilaterally increase their licensing fees. Price is a huge part of any contract but that seems hard to believe. I don’t practice IP law so perhaps I’m missing something but it doesn’t seem likely one party would ever be allowed to increase their licensing fees with impunity.
EA: "We're one of the most hated companies in the world".
Disney: "Hold my beer"
Blizzard: "🤨"
@@butnobodycame7022i was about to say blizzard 😂😂😂
@@TheOneCrispy1533 great minds think alike xD
Nailed it lol
"Hold my Budweiser"
Bruh between EA and Disney its a dark time for Star Wars. Palpatine would be proud 😂
Palpatine would be epic games
Bro you made Day 😂😂😂😂😂
What’s crazy is Star Wars if handled properly could literally take over the gaming scene
George Lucas did with LucasArts back then until he sold Lucasfilm to Disney.
Star Wars in general could own entertainment and make billions but they have run it into the ground.
Gta 6 around the corner like 👀🤔
Gaming , movies, and toys… its being abused right now and it’s sad.
We can be like Theory and "hope" things will get better going "forwards".
We live in an age where being a fan of almost anything these days comes with a built-in high level of disappointment. It's so crazy. From movies, to shows, to video games, we as fans no longer get the joy of "looking forward to" something. It makes me cherish even more the memories I have from the 80s and 90s. Kids today have no idea what they missed out on...which might be a good thing?
Start one piece
Lucas made his movies. We need to be happy with that.
Or you can buy tabletop games "Rebellion" and "The Clone Wars" which are really good.
With Rebellion you may think $100 for a base box is expensive, but it has 153 miniatures. I recommend to buy the expansion of Rebellion "rise of the empire" because it makes the game better.
"I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further." - Bob Iger probably
They definitely said this.
When I think of that quote, what comes mind is that page from that one mini kids book on if Darth Vader parented Luke and Lea. Talking about Luke’s bedtime as a kid 😂
The only issue I have with this brilliant quote was I don't believe Bob or anyone at Disney could even quote anything from the old trilogy.
literally was thinking of the same quote lmao
More like "Pay so I don't alter it any further"
Imagine if none of these games were cancelled we wouldve had another whole library of Star Wars games just like back in the 90s-2000s
I hate that Disney owns Star Wars
You aren't alone on that one.
Everyone does.
I feel the same way about Hasbro owning Transformers. They neglected that IP.
@@ViIgax they did atleast allow the cybertron games and devastation get released until they were killed due to ip shit
@@ViIgax I agree with that as well.
How can Disney just up the fee from 22% to 33% how is that legal? Did they not agree to a number when they signed a contract? And if so then how can Disney just breach the contract and increase the cost from 22% to 33%?
This makes no sense.
Again licensing is a separate deal. You get the license deal in place first and then you start to develop products with it. The licensing is something that must be renewed yearly or every other year, etc. Whereas the product you develop can take several years to create. They're NOT dumb to bake licensing into each individual product. The overheard in financing alone with that would be outrageous!
@haiderz4510 "My lord, is that legal?"
Disney: "I will make it legal."
Club 33
Battlefront II was just a microtransaction away from perfection. I would've been on board for a Battlefront III with a Battlefield-like all-out confrontation, ground to space maps. Instead they went to Fortnite. It's like COD ditching multi-platform for mobile.
What are you yapping about? Fortnite has a way bigger player count then battlefront. Thats a terrible comparison. They also bought a stake to use unreal engine and it’s not like Fortnite has Star Wars exclusivity.
@@jacksonhahn Star Wars needs a more realistic experience to be fair. Maybe they will pull it off somehow but Epic Games has a more lighthearted approach to their games. Star Wars is gritty and that's how it should remain for it to work.
star wars isn't gritty bruv@@CosminNeagu
@@starwarsjoey228 maybe you downloaded the wrong movie my friend.
@@CosminNeagui mean most star wars movies are pg... but ok i guess that is pretty gritty for a toddler
Disney taking a chapter out of Games Workshop's book and refusing to make any good decisions ever again.
Disney out here like, “I’m altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further” to basically everyone
😔 Darth mouse
Darth Stolen Comment. You're not a Sith so much as.. a Bish. 💯👍🏽😁
And innocent people lose their jobs. Disney is such a moral company.
@@Zoobi3 Darth Iger, Inquisitor Kennedy
Except elon musk is like... Go fuck yourself bob
I said it when we got those announcements not too long ago, You can never get your hopes up with Star Wars game announcements until the game is actually finished and releasing.
if only DISNEY would get cancelled ... wouldn't that be grand.
Disney was most profitable under IGER he's cleaning up chapeks mess js and not saying he's not responsible now but this started under Chapek
@@niccomakk bob has his issues but 100%
@@niccomakk Thats questionable. Some would say Chapek tried to clean up Igers mess that was slowly being integrated, Chapek wouldnt conform, and got booted out. These issues/plans dont pop up overnight, they are planned and panned out couple years in advance.
@@niccomakkyou seriously want me to believe this is chapeks fault? He was there like less than 2 years. What could he have possibly affected? Most movies they came out were set in stone before he even came.
By all rights they should be- in no universe would the pioneer, Walt Disney be ok with this
The easiest decision of my short adult life was unsubscribing from Disney+.
The hardest decision of my short adult life was turning my back on the slow, painful implosion of Star Wars under Disney’s mismanagement.
And now this news with Disney and their predatory practices against VG studios to cope with profit losses from D+ and their streak of box office bombs.
Another real tragedy.
I'll never buy into an Epic game if that's how they're playing it. I have no faith in Disney's ability to figure out what fans will pay for.
its not epic games fault, and they are doing really well
Epic can go to hell for not just killing UT but completely erasing it's existence for absolutely no reason
Epic games will be worse than EA mark my words. At least EA gave us battlefront 2 and jedi franchise. Epic games will just be cartoony childish shit, it’s gonna be terrible.
@@haiderz4510 Yep and filled with micro transactions and stupid dances
@@haiderz4510ah yes, epic games makes amazing cartoony games like gears of war, safe for any child to play 😂 don’t forget what they’ve made in the past
Game developer here: Disney licensing cut is huge(according to the Insomniac leak) so there's some validation to this rumor. The industry is hurting in general and Disney asking for more is totally within their ballpark
But still.........
@@DrownedWick8 but still what?
dunno man, it doesnt add up that Disney can simply increase the license fee at whim on an already signed and settled contract.
@@derpherp7432 you dont think contracts never fluctuate?
@derpherp7432 and to be clear. I'm not saying Theory's sources are right, I'm saying it's known that Disney takes a HUGE chunk.
I wish I could say how crazy this is, but who can be surprised anymore
I feel the same way. I was honestly waiting for this :/
true, we can’t really be surprised anymore 😭
This isn’t crazy. Disney isn’t here to appease you. Games will still come out. This is a great business move, and these types of moves are you what get in our basically unregulated capitalistic economy
@@kingkrow420 They are if they want my money. They can waste all the money they want to on games, but if they don't make games that appease the fans enough for them to buy said games, they'll lost a lot of money. And, theoretically, go bankrupt.
I'm honestly surprised that stockholders haven't sued Disney for brand mismanagement at this point.
Pretty sure Elon is working on that.
The stock prices have gone way up after Bob Iger took over from a fired Bob Chapek. Why on earth would they?
Stockholders don't care if they're making money.
the probpem with disney share holders is that at least half of them are boomers who are honorary mousekateers. (or however its spelt), back when that was a thing they managed to seal absolute loyalty with these people through that and other programs like it. seriesly, its creepy how cult like their fanaticism with it is. im half convinced that disney could tell them to go out to murder and pillage and theyd do it.
im so glad they cant touch SWTOR. im playing it for 12 years onwards. Expanded Universe is the best
Yeah the best star Wars game ever made I still have on disc
I love that game/world too , I remember watching the cinematics over and over Cus my laptop couldn’t run it as a kid 😭
same i am glad they cannot touch star wars the old republic
I can't believe I'm in a moment in 2024 where I actually feel bad for EA.
Nah, I am enjoying EA getting EA’d since EA did this to fans forever.
Don't you dare feel bad for EA
@@jordank1813 sorry dad
@@FakeAmerican I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed
“Impossible to see ... The Dark Side clouds everything.”
If true it's a very short term move. Disney is burning a LOT of bridges with this and they are going to be forced to do everything in house because no gaming studio is going to want to touch them after this
If Disney ruins Unreal Engine, I wonder how many amazing competitors with new engines will rise up. That would be exciting.
There have been so many devs fired it could happen, but the problem is getting the money.
They won't ruin the engine. ALOT of new games use unreal engine already and they all feel the same, because that is how a game engine works. Why Skyrim and Fallout have the same menus and feel... Same engine. Disney wanting free use of Unreal engine is bad for them, They will just make a bunch of carbon copy games that flop because they will feel like every game that has already been made and played on unreal engine.
@@rl2338 is not the engine what worries me, is the fact that they could put a BS copyritgh clause for using the engine and ban or profit from any content that is barely similar to any of the disney IPs, a guy with a glowing sword? "that's basically a lightsaber! where's my cut from using that asset??"
@@rl2338It is for the usage of unreal engine in their dome setup that uses the engine to create background for the movies. That is way more important to them than games
The only thing you can root for disney to do is destroy something so hopefully they buy it out and destroy because i’m so sick of Unreal Engine too many garbage AAA and indie cash grabs on it and usually unoptimized to oblivion.
Hasbro had similar issues with Disney and it shows when you see what toys they're forced to make and how badly the quality has dropped since around 2015.
I wish George still made all the money from the toys so we could have the toy isles. filled again
@drewblanktalks it's not just star wars toys that suffered because of Disney. Marvel toys also started going downhill about the same time. Then came the forced toys nobody wanted and in higher numbers in cases than chase figures.
Hasbros strategy is to sell such reduced amounts of toys and use fomo to get kidults to pay exorbitant prices
@@billycranstonwhat Star Wars toys have gone down hill? 😂 I know you aren’t talking about “Black Series” which is better than it’s EVER been.
@@-Anonymous-. 🙄🙄
George: i don trust other companies with my brand they'll mess the brand up
Fandom: you already messed up the brand
George: You have No IDEA
5-10 years Later
Fandom: Uh Oh
I miss the days of LucasArts releasing 2 or 3 good games a year.
Those were the days. I remember getting a Star Wars game and feeling like I hit the lottery or something. Rogue Squadron, Shadows of the Empire, Jedi Knight series, Republic Commando, what a time it was...
I was looking forward to Star Wars 1313 before it got cancelled.
Everytime I hear about Disney’s relationship with Epic, I am reminded that there is a fundamental piece of Star Wars lore, Sidious’s message to the Galaxy, that could exclusively be heard during a live service event on Fortnite. I think that hurt more than anything else, realizing that Disney had completely sold out and that Fortnite was the sole herald of the emperor’s return, cementing itself as a key part of the Star Wars mythos. Fortnite.
it wasn't even a good live event
it started off with the falcon taking on ti fighters, awesome
revealed lightsabers, blasters and other star wars stuff, awesome
then jj abrams comes on to a stage and talks for 10 minutes💀💀
@@starwarsjoey228well I mean that’s what it was advertised as, a sneak peak at episode 9. Not as a real event so they did exactly what they set out to do with it.
@@jman72898yeah, i guess it was good for starwars fans, and bad for fortnite fans, the problem is more fortnite fans went to the event then star wars fans lol
also the seak peak was the gang coming out of a ship and shooting 2 storm troopers💀💀
I could see the rest of the gaming industry blacklist Disney as a result of this.
Exactly, although Disney still would have so much power. My hope is that Epic gets blacklisted and crumbles along with Disney, but that's only my hope.
@@hoen1x I doubt Epic would get blamed but I could see games like Kingdom Hearts end because Square Enix refuses to work around the blacklist.
@@SirStanleytheStumblerNo way! I don’t want Kingdom Hearts to take the fall for a stupid decision like this.
@@AcceleGamer How can Square Enix trust them with any signed agreement after this? Disney didn't think this through.
Highly doubtful
Seems like Disney is becoming a monopoly.
Oh Disney is been like that, trust and believe.
Disney is not nearly large enough to be considered a monopoly. As long as Warner Bros. and Universal are still kicking, Disney will never become one.
Becoming Monopoly? lol they are lol they bought marvel and Star Wars and other IP
the only way I could see this going, is Disney creating their own gaming division, because if they didn't then I can't see any external developer working with them, especially if they can just change rates in pre-existing deals
They had LucasArts. They shut that down at the beginning lol
They don’t know jack shit about creating games. But they’ll squeeze the every penny out of companies wanting to make games with their IPs. It’s almost as if they don’t know the risks that are involved with creating video games and how they can blow up and not make any money. Makes it not worth the risk for gaming companies if they can’t reap the reward.
They’d have to buy a company. That’s all they know how to do anymore, buy, buy, buy.
@@JohnnyUtah86yeah and Lucas arts developed some pretty solid games. Was a shame they shuttered it.
I have to say that Disney doing this the way they did burned whatever bridges they may have built with developers. This could have been done differently so that they still could have opened their own game division and honored the existing contracts to garner good will. I’m sure this will be chalked up as a money saving move to fix share prices, short term, but it’s likely to damage the brands by either relationships with developers, cost of software or both.
Honestly games have gotten so expensive I generally don’t buy them unless they are sub 20 bucks. But I also don’t have the time to play games like I did when I was younger.
In Germany, all the Hulu stuff is already merged into Disney+. It's called "Star" here.
Exactly!
Same here in the UK
Really?
@@RazSkull673 Yep.
Brazil has Star+ and Disney+. Mature stuff on Star+ (TWD, the bear, family guy,American dad, etc).
I recall the EA CEO, Andrew Wilson (I think), was not a big fan of the Star Wars exclusivity license. He wanted to do what they're now doing; focusing more on their own IPs.
interesting how SWTOR has navigated the turmoil so far. That said, it's future comes across as hazy despite statements from Broadsword. Current expansion, Legacy of The Sith, is 2 yrs deep without much story progression, which is worrying to those of us who still play. Broadsword insist that development is still on going, despite a much smaller team, and more content is on the way. I take them at their word...for now. SWTOR is one of the few entertainment mediums that feels Star Wars, in my opinion.
SWTOR sits in an unusual place, as it's grandfathered into the pre-Disney agreement. It's the only Star Wars game that EA has essentially complete control over - having said that, they probably don't want to piss off the largest entertainment brand in the world, so they're hesitant to put any investment into it.
Bioware also got caught using funds from TOR to help keep their brand afloat - which is part of the reason why expansions/updates were extremely slow on TOR. (Evidently their big bombs have them on the chopping block, and I wouldn't be surprised if they get shuttered if Dragon Age 4 doesn't do well).
All this to say: I was a bit worried about the move to Broadsword, since Broadsword has only ever really managed dying MMOs. But, with most of the TOR dev team having left Bioware, and gone to Broadsword, I think we might actually get MORE content within the next few years than we've seen since KOTFE/KOTET. I think EA has just been struggling with what to do with SWTOR, since they still make money on it, with doing very little. However, if they continue to do nothing it will be dead
Semi-related: I also think that SWTOR is the only product that still feels "Star Warsy". Hopefully you're a bit encouraged by this news.
@@funchfries Like most these days, I am cautiously optimistic. I do believe the SWTOR devs, now at Broadsword, want to push out more content, and have at least a 5 yr plan to do so.
However, this assumes Lucasarts/Disney are fine with the narrative presence of the game and are happy for Broadsword to lead.
I can see this game ending up as a standard bearer for the entire franchise provided they (Lucasarts/Disney) have the sense to not interfere with further development of this game.
As for Bioware; my attention has increasingly been focused on the activities of their former devs, namely James Ohlen and his company, Archetype Entertainment. Their forthcoming game, Exodus, has me very intrigued. Given who else is involved with its development, it stirs the same feelings as Mass Effect 1 and 2. :D
@@funchfriesTOR is dying bruh, that's just a fact. It's like 12 yrs old and an MMO, it's a dying game and a dying genre.
It had a good run though, and may still be afloat for years.
If there were contracts signed, how could Iger just change the percentages? Wouldn't that break the deal? If so, there must have been some clause that allowed them to do so. Interesting nonetheless.
Im thinking they could be renewing licensing
@@MoswenMedia I could understand that going forward on additional titles, but not changing agreements on existing projects.
Licensing isn't part of the contract, its a requirement (prelude). You are talking about two different contracts that affect each other. That's how licensing works. You are issued a license to use an IP which usually reupps yearly or bi-annually sometimes..... once you have that, you can then enter into contracts for product development UNDER that license.
Disney has really moved to full-on evil over the last few years. May their empire crumble. Perhaps, although I gag at the thought, EA and others should consider Rebel Moon games as an alterative?
That movie was trash, why would we ever consider that???? Nowwwwww a DUNE game.... yeah, gimmie that!
@@Maria_Espino perhaps you'd like to know that sandbox survival multiplayer game called Dune Awakening is in development and trailer came out in the last 24 hours
@@Baell1 I saw that and tbh it doesn’t look that great.
When you hear news like this it really makes you want to just for once sit in on one of those Disney board meetings and while not participate but listen on the thought process of those there and try to figure out why they make some of the decisions they do
Maximize human suffering
Bob is basically Palpatine. Machinations to have more power but doesn't see the ewoks on Endor are gonna f up his shield preventing others from making stuff under the IP.
The fans... we're the ewoks.
1. Destroy your most prestigious IP.
2. Increase licensing costs for said IP.
3. Profit!
Sounds good to me. 😅
^exactly!
Bob is turning into many of the characters of his ips. Dude is turning into Thunderbolt Ross.
EA: "That was never a condition of our agreement!"
Disney: "I am altering the deal, pray I don't alter it any further!" 💀
Merging D+ and Hulu would be a big brain move. It would look good on them. Cause having two streaming services with different pricing options just screams greed like most things nowadays.
If EA thought they would make mega-bucks with the Mandalorian game, they would absolutely never cancel it. Of course it's Disney's fault, they are the ones that made Star Wars an unsellable brand.
If only Bob Iger could be this shrewd when approving new stories. SMH.
As if he has anything to do with that...
@@shadowcat1606he could literally fire Kathleen kennedy and hire a competent president for lucasfilms
@@ElizabethHiggins2000 Yeah, no argument there from me. Still doesn't mean he himself approves any stories Disney puts out.
@@shadowcat1606 Yea Disney needs new leadership but for the question as to what he CAN do to save starwars is fire Kathleen Kennedy and hire an actual competent president for lucasfilms and stop that woke nonsense
@@ElizabethHiggins2000Okay, woke, whatever. That aside, absolute. But none of that was the point of the OC.
I’m 37 and I grew up loving Disney, but I absolutely hate what it has become and its executives can eat shit for letting it happen.
Outside the US there is no Hulu. All the Hulu shows are thrown onto Disney Plus.
It’s the same in the us on my tv
The thing I am noticing also, is that Disney keeps absorbing and merging like an overloaded tick....and a merger with You would seem plausible. The problem is there isn't enough creativity of vision, so I can envision a return to the bar old days where a lot of WE games are bad.
"i would never lie to you guys" honestly , out of all the youtubers, you are genuinely the only one i would ever believe say that. Appreciate it dude.
NGL hearing Disney+ was ending, and it was all moving to Hulu made me happy. Disney+ always gives me problems on desktop, and I could never figure out why. None of the other services, including Hulu, ever had the same problems.
I remember every one was mad when they thought Netflix was gonna add ads to their platform. I kid you not I got an ad on Disney plus trying to watch a movie. You think a company is bad and then Disney comes and takes a step further
The thing that I don’t understand is, why is Star Wars outlaws not a create your own character style RPG? That seems like that would be one of the biggest appeals to that style of game is creating your own character and being able to take him throughout the galaxy massive L if you ask me.
Only way they got the license, agreed to have a female lead character
Will see what it has to offer I personally don’t mind the female protagonist but seeing as this is an Ubisoft game it’s got me nervous
@@calijack2006technically, it's being made by Massive that is a Swedish, Malmö-based subsidiary of Ubisoft.
@@calijack2006 its not the fact that it has a female protagonist, its why it has a female protagonist. it's all for the wrong reasons
Did you ask why you couldn't create your own Cal Kestis?
So Bob is officially acting as Emperor Paltpatine with Order 66!
7:53 - They made Purple Rain
That’s Prince 😂
It’s Heavy Rain
I never meant to cause you any sorrow
I never meant to cause you any pain
I only wanted one time to see you laughing
I only want to see you laughing in the purple rain
At this rate Disney will have Epic Games create a title named STAR WARS: BLUE MILK.
Lol I wasn't sure about that part except knowing Prince made that song, was wondering if he somehow licensed a game too.
Chocolate rain?
@@snipingflute4346 I still cannot believe they never thought to make a "Diners, Drive ins, and Dives" with at least one season of just recipes their chefs and fans created, made by THEIR chefs, using actors as various aliens and cg to touch them up to look like authentic alien ingredients with a "how to make at home" link/special every episode... People would watch that.
Not a business guy - how does Disney just alter an agreement out of the blue
They probably put in the agreement that they can alter certain aspects if the deal whenever they want
The exclusivity agreement was for one decade after it was signed, iirc. This may just be the new terms for EA to re-up, and intentionally made totally unworkable.
I can't say I'm sad, EA did F all with the license and utterly failed to replace Lucas Arts.
Ill never forget when disney took away the marvel ultimate alliance current-gen bundle away from us!
Wait when did they remove the game?
@@JerryJames-h5o They removed it when either when infinity war or endgame released. So you either have to pirate the game or buy the game on ebay. You'll be lucky to find it somewhere else cause they barely sold any physical copies.
@@JerryJames-h5o5 Years ago when they got delisted…
Upping the fee is also a breach of contract, disney can't do that unilaterally. Unless the profit share is a completely separate deal and not set in the licensing agreement.
I thought EA licensing contract ended which is why Disney could do this
@@paulallen2680 What ended was an exclusivity deal. They wouldn't be able to sell ANYTHING without a license deal. And YES.... a license deal and a product development deal are two VERY different contracts. Licenses are renewed yearly or in some case bi-annually. Products can take YEARS to develop.
This is what happened to tfu 3 as well and kotor 3
7:53 "purple rain"😂🤣
Its called Heavy Rain
Holy crap!!!!! Damn you Lucas, you were the chosen one. It was said you would destroy the Sith not join them! bring balance to the video games, not leave it in darkness!!!
They really screwed up..especially with games like SWBF2 content being cancelled.
Their loss fr.
i would happily take absolutely NO more star wars content (shows, games, movies, etc.) if it meant they would stop desecrating my beloved franchise, even if this would keep me from getting some good stuff.
They made Heavy Rain. Prince made Purple Rain.
Disney really executing Order 66 on video games that fans want. Totally ignoring the insane amount of money they’d get from the KOTOR remake alone
They've been using Unreal to do the CGI in most of their projects since the Mandalorian. It makes sense.
EA : You said there'll be 22% of profit!
Bob Iger : I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.
Purple Rain? Bruh it’s called Heavy Rain lol, fantastic experience
Tim Sweeney is a genius! Good for Epic Games, bad for Steam.
33% + 30% Steam royalties = no more ST games on Steam
Hell...I'm still waiting for '1313.' As I've basically shut off all interest in new SW this is basically the last thing I was looking forward to & it's all that comes up when I think of new SW.
Disney: Sees something Star Wars
Also Disney: Ruins it
Prince made Purple Rain. Great song and album though. Quantic Dream made Heavy Rain.
I don't get it how that Bob Iger can just immediately increase Disney's cut of games, without any recourse from EA? Surely, there would've been clauses in the contract that prevented Disney of being able to do this?
A license deal and a product development contract are two VERY different monetary vehicles. Licenses are renewed yearly or in some case bi-annually; you must have a license deal to even come up with a product idea. Products are then separate contracts that depend on you HOLDING a license and as we know products can take YEARS to develop.
@@Maria_Espino Thanks for making the clarification!
How can you up the feeling on a contract already negotiated? That sounds like breaking a contract.
Licensing deals and product development are two different monetary vehicles.
Bob Iger: “I am altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter it further.”
So EA is offended it has to pay more money after it got the licensing it bought already for a steep price? How could a company do that to it's customers?
Isn't altering a contract halfway through without consent of the other party illegal or something?
or does that make too much sense to be US law?
I wish we could just crowd fund the buying of Star Wars from Disney 😭
I LOVE THE CORUSCANT BACKGROUND!!!
Interesting video and it makes sense. Looking at it from a gaming perspective for a moment, both EA and Sony made announcements of layoffs last week. Spider-Man developer: Insomniac announced layoffs, which was somewhat a surprise due to Spider-Man 2 selling well last year. There were also leaks the development for Spider-Man 2 had an insane budget. Assuming your source is accurate, what you're saying jives with what is being seen with Marvel IP in gaming as well. This may affect a future the Spider-Man games and the upcoming Wolverine game in some way along with any other gaming Disney IPs not being worked on by Epic.
Sony has to give a LOT of their game profits to Disney, they don’t own spidey or x men game rights.
The point about Unreal engine makes total sense. Remember, the images created for The Volume are made through the unreal engine. Disney couls produce a ton of stuff if they had full usage. Also, epic games is a better game studio for Disney IPs than the Disney gaming studio.
I need to see the So Random version of Seth Meyers' Second Chance Theatre. It was fun to see the SNL actors perform their rejected sketches 15-20 years later.
This doesn’t seem right. They shouldn’t be able to change how much of the cut they get after the contract has already been signed, unless EA has the worst legal team possible. What would stop Bob from being able to ask for 100%? Clearly he can’t do that, and he shouldn’t be able to add even a single % unless the contract agreed he could do that.
Yo that background is awesome!
Well, I was initially looking forward to the KOTOR remake a couple of years on the PS5.
This will most likely kill any further rumours in developing the game.
Ugh, these corporations just ruin everything
The problem with the entertainment business is that it’s business. The way capitalism works money, power and control is always the priority. Not art, creativity or fun.
In order to believe that Iger is as smart as you say, I would have to first see him do something that isn't already in the Wall Street CEO playbook. Bob doesn't have original ideas. Neither is he as smart as you think. He knows how to spend money (buy IP), cut costs, and raise prices.
Love the background! Is that new?
Isn't the fee a part of the contract? How can you increase the fee without altering the contract?
this
No. It is not. A license deal and a product development contract are two VERY different monetary vehicles. Licenses are renewed yearly or in some case bi-annually; you must have a license deal to even come up with a product idea. Products are then separate contracts that depend on you HOLDING a license and as we know products can take YEARS to develop.
Running a billion dollar franchise into the ground isn’t good business sense. You’re giving Bob Iger far too much credit.
It’s nuts how Disney didn’t do one good thing with Star Wars.
So "F" the fans. I'm done with Disney. Lucas, yes you needed a "happy wife for a happy life", so sold Star Wars, but dude, you totally "F'd" the fans doing it and here is the results of your work! Down the toilet!
Star wars Force arena. Anyone who played this mobile game knows it was dope. I miss it so much. :'(
Combining Hulu and D+ makes sense WB did that with DC Universe and HBO 🤷♂️
People in suits trying to not screw up gaming challenge (impossible)
“He can’t keep getting away with this!!!!…”
I really hate disney. They are killing Star Wars.
Is Disney asking for an all out war? a star WAR??
No lawyer here, I don’t understand how a company can ask for more of a percentage after a contract has been signed? I get that there is obviously a loop hole or something there, but that seems like companies would have wording like that in the contract so they don’t get screwed!
I can see how its a "clever" business move, but not a "good" one. The guy has zero integrity and back stagged the peoole he made deals with by trying to extort their profits to get them to cancel their project.
I haven’t seen the contracts but as an attorney I find it hard to believe that there was a provision that allowed Disney the ability to unilaterally increase their licensing fees. Price is a huge part of any contract but that seems hard to believe. I don’t practice IP law so perhaps I’m missing something but it doesn’t seem likely one party would ever be allowed to increase their licensing fees with impunity.
But why does he want to sever from everyone else...??? Why force the sever from the other companies??
"I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it further." - Disney, probably