I swear Ren has the patience of a saint lol I think kujo beat down is not only cathartic for Ren but for the whole community. Most of us got it out of our system when it dropped and at least for me, I felt a lot better afterwards. Now, just like ren said in his Instagram stories, I just want to move on and look towards the future and happier times😊 I will still watch your reaction to it though. Much love ✌️
As someone who knows very little about the music industry, it was shocking to find out how easy it is for someone to take a significant part of an artists earnings (or even their music) for a minor infraction, or even for no reason at all. It seems like a veritable shark tank.
@@TempleMusicAcademy 48.03 "A thief, a liar, a coward and unprofessional" Reminded me of the line in Money Game 2 (Applied to Kujo?) "You're a Liar, a Cheat, a Devil, a Whore... and you sell sea shells on the sea shore"
Nicely done especially given how much it triggered you. I really loved the way you explained how you can tell a lot about an artist by the way their fan base behaves. The Renegades often make the me elevate my level of civility and kindness. 😊
I think hearing all of this, in detail, from another musician that knows intimately how these things work is extremely helpful. Some other reactors have said some things, but, as so often is the case with your channel, I appreciate that you took the time to truly educate people so they could know all the ways this situation exploded beyond necessity or even realistic terms. The detailed factual truths you help teach people (with music AND the ugly situations that surround it) is very welcome. Even a breath of fresh air in platforms that so often are merely opinion. Thank you so much for making this video, brother!
Thank you for taking your time to watch video and support, I watched whole video with you again, Breathe DJ😊 Can't wait for your reaction for Kujo Beat Down, I assume you, you will feel better 😊 Appreciate you❤
Believe that due to the transparency of this video, Ren not only clearly articulates his 'side' and got such traction within RUclips community. It got him face-to-face with Beatstar and RUclips leadership.
Yeah, I know for sure he had an in-person meeting with the head of youtube music, afterwards the copyright strike on sick boi got removed since it was given for a reason it shouldn't have 💜
Not sure what more I can say. This is one for the ages and possibly one of the most informative videos you have done to date. Normally we hear about the music itself but to hear the inside track on how the industry can be is eye opening. I hope Ren sees this. Its been a long week brother, you can rest now.
thanks so much for covering this bro. i'm a 100% RENegade for life. sounds dramatic i know but Ren is the reason i'm here to write this right now. i owe him my life and i fkn love the man. he is the literal embodiment of "fluffy bunny" so if someone has pissed him off to this point then they have got it coming. thanks again, much love to you and yours🙂🙂🙂❤❤❤
What a great reaction. That was so useful in helping me understand the details of what is going on. Your interpretation of why Kujo is acting in this way seems extremely plausible and puts his actions in an even worse light than I previously imagined. Surely, if he is in the music business he must know that any money due to him comes from the publisher as you explained!. Thanks very much for taking the time over this. It's much appreciated. Also just very interesting. Glad I found your channel. Subbed.
18:03 he meant Kujo and Kujo’s lawyer put the copyright strike on Ren’s music video. That’s an important detail bc it put a notice on Ren’s video that said “this video was removed due to copyright claim by Kujobeats”. So when Kujo later claimed that Ren forced it to go public, that’s bull, Kujo left the breadcrumb trail himself, he put his name in front of Ren’s audience.
On that whole "hug" thing ... Been there..Done thst. Survived brain surgery (all fine physically, and very much better mentally because of hearing Ren and how being open and honest can get you forward on your journey). Met him at The Secret Garden Party. Told him. I said thank you. We hugged. As a 57 year old bloke, this was quite an intense moment. I wish i could have sat and talked and let him know how much his work as meant to ma and MANY MANY others. I did record the show too. So yeah, hugs and thanks to Ren!!!
If you ARE interested in his live show, then the playlist is ruclips.net/p/PLhCwb9_IyVpQTLNu1N85Z2H4SEekeCuCc. Some tracks are missing as they are for unreleased songs and so that's a no-no. The performance at SGP was brilliant. I think it was not much under 2,000 people were at the show. Ren did a LOT of walking about and meeting people. There was even a space specifically for the Renegades so there was an actual community. Such a bizarre concept ... a small scale busker rapper musician having an entire space dedicated to his fans at a festival. Pretty special!!!! Oh. If you ARE listening to the videos, please please please accept my apologies on the quality of the voice of the guy stood next to me. I may, of course, by lying about him standing NEXT to me!
A small plus side to this ridiculous situation is youtube have finally seen sense and removed the strike so sickboi is available again. The only thing is i dont think the legal situation with kujos claims on the rights is anywhere near close to resolved. Looking forward to your reaction of kujo beatdown
I really hate that artists go through this. It is amazing to watch how it is all unfolding and shedding light on the issues to us novices that just sit back and enjoy the results of all the hard work. REN has yet again taken an awful situation in his life and turned it on its head to make it transparent, create an amazing song and get the ear of YT and BeatStars and I’m sure the industry in general. What a legend in the making. ❤❤❤ Great review and analysis thank you for sharing your experience and insight too.
Great reaction and explanation of the situation. My blood pressure goes up every time I hear him tell the story. He will come out on top, no doubt, but it's a shame he had to go through all of that.
Lesson - Dont mistake Ren's compassion for weakness. In the end he protected the community from a bully. Great breakdown of the whole situation. Watch the Beat Down video, it is awesome.
This was a great reaction. We all wanted to hug Ren. It won't make you less angry, but Knox Hill shared some of what was going on behind the scenes in his reaction to Kujo Beat Down as he was with Ren when it was going on. He also discusses it some more in the podcast he has with the other reactor Avengers that was posted last weekend.
I’m new to your channel, but really appreciated your breakdown of the situation. I was so impressed by how Ren handled the situation. He continually tried to give Kujo (and even his gf) the benefit of the doubt and tried his best to negotiate in good faith. I can’t believe Kujo didn’t accept the offer to produce a song together with a 50/50 split, but I blame the lawyers. My understanding is Kujo was using a legal representative from BeatStars. They would only benefit from a settlement from Sick Boi. I don’t believe the lawyer was working in Kujo’s best interest. It’s clear that both Ren and Kujo have been burned in the past and it complicated the dynamic. But Kujo should have reached out to Ren from the very beginning. Ren would have done everything in his power to work it out amicably. Another reason I think it was important for Ren to go public and be so transparent is to protect other artists and producers in the future. This had a lot of good lessons learned … especially highlighting what not to do, rather than learning them the hard way. Ren is a change agent and he’s pushing back at the power and greed of the music industry. It was a loss and hurt him personally, but yet again Ren has managed to turn adversity into pure gold. Kujo Beat Down is even rising on the singles sales charts 😹 Can’t wait to see your reaction to the video! Thank you for your support of Ren! ✨
Am I old enough to remember that stuff? I remember my mother playing Aretha Franklin on her 8 track in the Renault (that was a car). I even remember my aunt's Christmas music on 78s. ;)
I LOVED your reactions as you went through Ren's video, it's quite cathartic watching someone else needing to breeeeeaaathe! Ren comes with receipts, and he's known to be a really supportive nice guy - kujobeats was offered a HUGE deal and he said no. What effing morons him and the girlfriend are. Yeah, asinine. Thanks!
Thanks! For the time and effort you put into this video! Your in-depth discussion I learned a lot. I am glad you have ..this my first exposure to your channel and will subscribe.
Great video. I've subscribed -- The Ren Effect strikes again. You support Ren, his fans (Renegades) support you, everybody benefits. A rising tide lifts all boats, baby. Thanks for an incredible reaction.
Thanks for this, DJ. Appreciate your perspective and especially your wrap-up at the end. Can’t wait to see your Kujo Beat Down reaction 🤣 I imagine you’ll find it cathartic. Re 32:20 I’ve sent you an email.
My Guy, Thank you for covering this very important message from Ren. Your pace and breakdown made me, with a very short attention span, understand just how frustrating the whole situation is. Sooo much, I was feeling the anxiety of you wanting to fly out of your chair. I was so with you at that point. New Sub. from FL. Much respect!!
Really enjoyed listening to your perspective on this as an artist. Many thanks. Edit- btw...not sure how this escaped me that you're in a deathmetal band. I was in one (more groove death style) from '91-"03 then realized...yeah- couldn't live off merch and door shares at venues and had to get a job. I'm going to look for your band/music and buy. Much love. Double edit: sorry- listening to first track after downloading on Apple Music. Wicked, man. Great track. Going to enjoy listening. I have some good friends still playing from my hometown. Some people I grew up with or played alongside their bands when I was actively playing. Origin and Unmerciful. Jeremy Turner was in both of these bands and actually filled in for Jack Owen of Cannibal Corpse on one of their tours after Jack left. Quick funny story. Jeremy tried out on bass for my band several years earlier. Collectively, as a group, we decided not to have him. Obviously, he practiced and practiced and is now way more talented and proficient than I ever was. Anyway- several years later he sent me an email. I hadn't realized he had joined CC to help finish their tour after Jack because work had taken me to another city. The subject line: Remember when you didn't want me in your band? Email body: RUclips link to Jeremy playing at Wacken Fest with CC in front of tens of thousands of people. My only viable response back: Touché, my friend. Later, my wife and I went to go see him play with CC as they were traveling through the US. Ate pre-show meal with him, his wife, and the group. After- hung out, just the group and my wife and me. Super cool group of guys (except Pat- who just went on the bus). But Alex, Paul, and especially George were super chill and cool. Talked football and gaming with George for quite some time.
Thank you so much for such an informative video, I'm an ex old school music publisher, the internet was new when I changed careers so to learn from you about modern publishing in the internet age was fascinating. Thanks again. I'm definitely coming back for your Kujo Beat Down reaction 🖤
This is an amazing breakdown of the situation. My interpretation? Ren did a tism. He hasn't been diagnosed autistic yet afiak, but he has discussed the idea with us Renegades who thought we recognised autistic traits in him. He agrees but his physical health took priority. The strong sense of justice, generosity, and open straight down the line honesty... well if throws people off. People think "there's no way this must be a trap" and assume subtext that doesn't exist. We are hard to get angry, especially those who escaped diagnosis in childhood. We were told too many times we're overemotional. We overcorrect. We have trouble lying. I think kujo got paranoid. I have the cassettes, cds, vinyl. All editions. Scraped and saved. Downloaded MP3 and Flac files.
@@Bethany0420 of course. There's a significant crossover between adhd and autistic traits. And of course many people just have one of those. When I was diagnosed adhd in 2011, I was of course excluded from autism diagnosis. It was the consensus that it was impossible for one individual to have both, and dsm-v did not permit either to be added as secondary. Later I discovered in my psychiatrist's notes he wrote atypical adhd. When I asked him to explain he said he had a subset of adhd patients who were similarly atypical. All of us definitely had adhd, but he suspected there was something more. We were more likely to have significant impacts from medications, so far us he lowered target therapeutic doses of medication like antidepressants were necessary. We were more likely to have the extremes of adverse medication events. We were more likely to have paradoxical reactions to sedatives. He is a very good psychiatrist who is always learning, comparing ideas with his colleagues. One of the psychiatrists he worked with generally managed most of their diagnosed autistic patients, and she said "you think you're seeing autism in the atypical adhders, yes? But not in all your adhd patients or friends. I have a handful of autistic patients where I also see ADHD. Not many, but it sticks in my mind." I worked in special needs ed support with older teens. One of the "pure" autistic kids said "but you're autistic" "no I'm adhd" "yeah and autistic. He's plain adhd, she's both, I'm plain autistic" And of course I want to see in Ren my diagnoses. So having him bring it up in chat as another missed diagnosis that led to misdiagnosis stuck with me. Being diagnosed with autism in my 40s made sense. More than any mental health diagnosis. And I didn't respond to treatment for a lot of things I was diagnosed with over my adult life, they also didn't resonate with me. Because I was being treated for the fallout from undiagnosed autism, and wondering why nothing worked. I also have a connective tissue disorder that was missed until my 40s. Constant emergency visits, weekly dislocations, atraumatic fractures, autonomic dysfunction, collapsing lungs. I saw a pattern in that, which countless doctors missed. I asked for a rheumatology referral for investigating potential connective tissue disorders. And yes, the pattern I noticed was correct. The correlation between connective tissue disorders and autism is pretty sound, and is being proposed that children/adolescents undergoing diagnotics for either have the other investigated.
Hi, first time seeing your channel, and I have subbed. It was so reassuring to see someone have the same reaction and disgust to this insane situation! Thank you. I can’t wait to see you react to the Beatdown song. It is epic!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥 I hope your blood pressure has returned to normal now! 😂 Thank you DJ I will be back 😊👍
This was extremely helpful thank you! I have a feeling the one money game video may have a reason that he cannot allow you to monetize because that was one of his first more produced ones? I think and maybe he didn't have the rights to it or something I don't know that for sure just a thought I would love to see what you thought of his Cujo beat down
Just breathe DJ, in through the nose, out through the mouth. Kujo was just a greedy bully, but Ren has been toughened up by his experiences. He was so greedy he passed on chances of a lifetime. Now Kujo will become a proverb.
This is a great video! So informative and helpful. For me, it's so interesting to think how attribution and integrity rights differ between visual artists and musical artists (& authors). I'm also curious how Kujo's original beat sounded before Ren futzed with it - is it the same? It's interesting to wonder. Thanks for the Music Biz 101 with a generous helping of empathy and understanding. ✌️
So, when I watched Ren's video, like, 3 days ago, Sick Boi was back up on youtube, and it was showing up on the recommended bar on the right. Great news that it's back up!
and right there when he choked up and his voice cracked at 53:40 to 54:20 is when I broke. I'm new to Ren's music, I do have mental health issues, and I hate that I missed getting to buy this track. ;(
@@TempleMusicAcademy I was pretty excited to hear your take on this while situation. If you haven't checked out his track Kujo Beat Down I highly recommend it. It's an utter evisceration. Everything from the beat to the lyrics and the video are masterfully done
Would love to see your take on one of Ren's most potent songs, Su*cide ... it's a track that breaks a lot of us, myself included because of what it speaks of and it is, as is always the case with Ren, unflinchingly real, honest and raw.
So I'm no expert, but when it happened to my own band @withoutmercyband we could not take it off. To this day the copyright block is up there on my own material.
This whole situation is SO insane. It makes NO sense at all. Ren literally did EVERYTHING and more just to make him happy and the fact that he STILL didn't want anything.....ugh! And also, his girlfriend geting involved is so out of left field. Idk man, this whole thing just makes me so angry lol
100% in agreement with everything you say. The stupid thing is that Kujobeats will still have to settle with the choir's publishers whatever happens. If it was me, rather than wait for large legal costs to come my way in addition, I would have done exactly what you suggested: Contract Ren, say sorry I f***ed up, and can we come to some arrangement as I now have to settle with the Choir's publishers and, Ren being Ren, I'm absolutely certain he would have helped to settle this. Now Kujobeats gets nothing from here on but still has to sort out the publishing with the Choir's publishers as he stole their sample and made money off of it. Madness. Like you, if Ren offered me a chance to do something with him, I wouldn't want money either. It would be an honour. Kujobeats could have been flooded with goodwill and support and ultimately his twenty pieces of silver. Instead he did this. Very smart move. Anybody want to buy a beat from Kujobeats now ?
Exactly. When i got started in business there was a mentor of mine who made a few stories known to me. There’s an old story that’s very similar to this entire scenario.
@@TempleMusicAcademy Can't be sure without seeing the contract Ren had with Beatstars and the contract Kujobeats had with Beatstars but I agree with all your assumptions.
Sick boi is back up . Utube met with Ren and Ren explained their were ulterior motives by kujo. They put it back up immediately .not sure what Ren will be doing on this song. I know he plans to release a non bought beats. He will make his own beats and release on anniversary of sick boi one. Think in October. And he has a new album coming out soon t n at he will include the remake of sick boi
The original problem arose, when Rens publisher forgot or messed up paying Kujo Beats his royalties. It is absolutely sick, that a person in this situation is allowed to immediately consider his contract invalid and sue Ren and demand a new arrangement and better conditions. These are uncivilized wild west methods, which have to be stopped. In the normal world (or at least here in my country), when you don't receive payments through a contract, that you are supposed to receive, your contract still remains fully active and is not considered to be broken yet. You then have to officially inform the other side, that there might be an issue and that you don't receive the expected payments. You then demand this to be solved and put an ultimatum in. So the other side has a chance to figure out any potenital problems that might be there and to fix them. Or of course, to respond what the issue might be. Only if they still continue to not pay you and after the deadline has been crossed, you're allowed to consider this contract to be broken and sue them, amongst taking any other consequences. This is how this should also be in this case.
The demands apparently made by Kujo are so bizarre that it got me curious… In the comments surrounding this that I’ve read on various channels (maybe 1%?) I haven’t seen anybody ask these questions, so I will - As anybody discovered what if any prior direct relationship “Kujo” had with the Bulgarian choir? Has Kujo had similar stuff with anybody else? How many of Kujo’s beats contain unlicensed sounds? Just curious. It’s a big, sometimes nefarious world out there. Probably Kujo is entirely legit beyond being greedy in this case and I make no allegations, but… I am curious.
Ive a theory, i think kujo implied that beatstars were paying for his lawyer. When cassidy Hutchinson was called as a witness in the jan 6th enquiry,she initially used one of trumps lawyers and soon realised his loyalty was not to her. Im thinking that kujo was given shockingly bad advice ,so who would benefit from kujo being silent in meetings? Possibility?
@@TempleMusicAcademyif the one song you are having issue with is Chalk Outlines, Ren’s team won’t be able to clear that one. Chinchilla’s label controls the licensing. But otherwise, if it is one of Ren’s original songs (not cover/retake), the form that I’m sure sigally is sharing with you should work quickly. Ethan Baer is fantastic!
Has anyone sent you the reactor form that Ren's yt guy set up to clear the videos? The only one he can't clear is Chalk Outlines because Chinchilla is signed so her label blocks it.
The whole Kujo situation is a grift pure and simple. He sold a beat to someone, the track blew up and started making numbers. Kujo got greedy wanted more than the original contract. He saw dollar signs didn’t want to miss out and the grift started. ( side note. On Kujo’s beatstars bio he has credited himself as a producer on Sick Boi, fine fair. But has also credited himself as a songwriter when he didn’t write even ONE lyric on it. ) Also wouldn’t surprise me if Kujo hasn’t tried this before with other artists.
Is this the new standard? Negotiating and legally fighting in a public chat instead of in private with just the lawyers and parties with skin in the game?
Bro I didn't know you're in a death metal band! That's flipping amazing! I checked you guys out and you guys are dope! Next time you guys tour and come to the New York area let me know. I'm in a thrash, hardcore, metal band backed Fire is Murder and my guitarist used to play drums in Agnostic Front and my other guitarist was in Leeway and the Cro-Mags. We know all the binning agents and venues from Long Island, Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan. It would be awesome getting shows together and if Joe Duplantier of Gojira is in town we'll bring you guys to check out his recording studio, Silver Cord Studios in Brooklyn. On my RUclips community page, there’s a picture of us hanging out at his studio. The dudes, amazing guy, and he hangs out with all the local bands. Seriously though, hit me up anytime!
Thanks for watching this! Here's a link to my analysis and reaction to the Kujo Beatdown: ruclips.net/video/LfZrKKheaFU/видео.html
"I just want to hug you." I laughed out loud, same tho.
I swear Ren has the patience of a saint lol I think kujo beat down is not only cathartic for Ren but for the whole community. Most of us got it out of our system when it dropped and at least for me, I felt a lot better afterwards. Now, just like ren said in his Instagram stories, I just want to move on and look towards the future and happier times😊 I will still watch your reaction to it though. Much love ✌️
As someone who knows very little about the music industry, it was shocking to find out how easy it is for someone to take a significant part of an artists earnings (or even their music) for a minor infraction, or even for no reason at all. It seems like a veritable shark tank.
If you haven't heard the track he released in response to this situation, you are missing out! Thanks for the reaction!!!
It's coming.... haha it's coming....
@@TempleMusicAcademy
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"A thief, a liar, a coward and unprofessional"
Reminded me of the line in Money Game 2 (Applied to Kujo?)
"You're a Liar, a Cheat, a Devil, a Whore... and you sell sea shells on the sea shore"
@@TempleMusicAcademy dude, if you're gonna do a reaction to it i will totally show up for it!
Nicely done especially given how much it triggered you. I really loved the way you explained how you can tell a lot about an artist by the way their fan base behaves. The Renegades often make the me elevate my level of civility and kindness. 😊
@@TempleMusicAcademy yes, mate! Don't hold back!
As someone who appreciates good art and a great heart, I appreciate you reacting to this. Hopefully this will help other independent artists. 😊
I think hearing all of this, in detail, from another musician that knows intimately how these things work is extremely helpful. Some other reactors have said some things, but, as so often is the case with your channel, I appreciate that you took the time to truly educate people so they could know all the ways this situation exploded beyond necessity or even realistic terms. The detailed factual truths you help teach people (with music AND the ugly situations that surround it) is very welcome. Even a breath of fresh air in platforms that so often are merely opinion. Thank you so much for making this video, brother!
My god... what a nice comment. THank you so much :)
Great comment
Thank you for taking your time to watch video and support, I watched whole video with you again, Breathe DJ😊
Can't wait for your reaction for Kujo Beat Down, I assume you, you will feel better 😊
Appreciate you❤
Thanks so much! I can't wait to share it with all of you haha
Believe that due to the transparency of this video, Ren not only clearly articulates his 'side' and got such traction within RUclips community. It got him face-to-face with Beatstar and RUclips leadership.
Yeah, I know for sure he had an in-person meeting with the head of youtube music, afterwards the copyright strike on sick boi got removed since it was given for a reason it shouldn't have 💜
@@iamsquatty How did you know that? Where can I find more about this situation?
@Dbgrego I just checked, if you go to the community posts on rens youtube, go down to around a month ago and there's a post about it 💜
Not sure what more I can say. This is one for the ages and possibly one of the most informative videos you have done to date. Normally we hear about the music itself but to hear the inside track on how the industry can be is eye opening. I hope Ren sees this.
Its been a long week brother, you can rest now.
thanks so much for covering this bro. i'm a 100% RENegade for life. sounds dramatic i know but Ren is the reason i'm here to write this right now. i owe him my life and i fkn love the man. he is the literal embodiment of "fluffy bunny" so if someone has pissed him off to this point then they have got it coming.
thanks again, much love to you and yours🙂🙂🙂❤❤❤
Nothing dramatic about this at all! Much love to you and welcome to our family!
Thank you for explaining all the music-industry stuff.
Looking forward to your "Kujo beat down" reaction.
Coming soon!
ruclips.net/video/LfZrKKheaFU/видео.html
What a great reaction. That was so useful in helping me understand the details of what is going on. Your interpretation of why Kujo is acting in this way seems extremely plausible and puts his actions in an even worse light than I previously imagined. Surely, if he is in the music business he must know that any money due to him comes from the publisher as you explained!. Thanks very much for taking the time over this. It's much appreciated. Also just very interesting. Glad I found your channel. Subbed.
Thank you very much! Welcome to the channel :)
Thanks for explaining how the mastering and publishing works!
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching
Thank you for sharing your experiences and supporting Ren
My pleasure! I wish I could tell him directly that he has me for anything he needs
I encourage you to react to Kujo Beat Down. Ren said it was quite cathartic for him.
ruclips.net/video/LfZrKKheaFU/видео.html
18:03 he meant Kujo and Kujo’s lawyer put the copyright strike on Ren’s music video. That’s an important detail bc it put a notice on Ren’s video that said “this video was removed due to copyright claim by Kujobeats”. So when Kujo later claimed that Ren forced it to go public, that’s bull, Kujo left the breadcrumb trail himself, he put his name in front of Ren’s audience.
... anf Kujo beat down is truly an amazing song. It enabled release of my anger of this situation.
ruclips.net/video/LfZrKKheaFU/видео.html
On that whole "hug" thing ... Been there..Done thst. Survived brain surgery (all fine physically, and very much better mentally because of hearing Ren and how being open and honest can get you forward on your journey). Met him at The Secret Garden Party. Told him. I said thank you. We hugged. As a 57 year old bloke, this was quite an intense moment. I wish i could have sat and talked and let him know how much his work as meant to ma and MANY MANY others. I did record the show too. So yeah, hugs and thanks to Ren!!!
If you ARE interested in his live show, then the playlist is ruclips.net/p/PLhCwb9_IyVpQTLNu1N85Z2H4SEekeCuCc. Some tracks are missing as they are for unreleased songs and so that's a no-no.
The performance at SGP was brilliant. I think it was not much under 2,000 people were at the show. Ren did a LOT of walking about and meeting people. There was even a space specifically for the Renegades so there was an actual community. Such a bizarre concept ... a small scale busker rapper musician having an entire space dedicated to his fans at a festival. Pretty special!!!!
Oh. If you ARE listening to the videos, please please please accept my apologies on the quality of the voice of the guy stood next to me. I may, of course, by lying about him standing NEXT to me!
Friggin lawyers.
A small plus side to this ridiculous situation is youtube have finally seen sense and removed the strike so sickboi is available again. The only thing is i dont think the legal situation with kujos claims on the rights is anywhere near close to resolved. Looking forward to your reaction of kujo beatdown
I really hate that artists go through this. It is amazing to watch how it is all unfolding and shedding light on the issues to us novices that just sit back and enjoy the results of all the hard work. REN has yet again taken an awful situation in his life and turned it on its head to make it transparent, create an amazing song and get the ear of YT and BeatStars and I’m sure the industry in general. What a legend in the making. ❤❤❤ Great review and analysis thank you for sharing your experience and insight too.
THank you for watching it. It's great to meet you on here!
Would have loved to see your reaction on the actual track Kujo Beat Down… but great and clear explanations (for a non music related person)
He's working on it and that will be released soon.
Great reaction and explanation of the situation. My blood pressure goes up every time I hear him tell the story. He will come out on top, no doubt, but it's a shame he had to go through all of that.
Thanks for this. As a rookie renegade, I love to learn something new about the industry and I certainly appreciated your take. ❤
Glad it was helpful!
Great video ! Yes it was long but it was worth it. Liked & subscribed
Thank you!!
I can’t wait for you to react to the REN - Kujo Beat Down release… I hope that reactions coming. ❤
I’m editing it right now :)
Lesson - Dont mistake Ren's compassion for weakness. In the end he protected the community from a bully. Great breakdown of the whole situation. Watch the Beat Down video, it is awesome.
This was a great reaction. We all wanted to hug Ren. It won't make you less angry, but Knox Hill shared some of what was going on behind the scenes in his reaction to Kujo Beat Down as he was with Ren when it was going on. He also discusses it some more in the podcast he has with the other reactor Avengers that was posted last weekend.
I’m new to your channel, but really appreciated your breakdown of the situation. I was so impressed by how Ren handled the situation. He continually tried to give Kujo (and even his gf) the benefit of the doubt and tried his best to negotiate in good faith. I can’t believe Kujo didn’t accept the offer to produce a song together with a 50/50 split, but I blame the lawyers. My understanding is Kujo was using a legal representative from BeatStars. They would only benefit from a settlement from Sick Boi. I don’t believe the lawyer was working in Kujo’s best interest. It’s clear that both Ren and Kujo have been burned in the past and it complicated the dynamic. But Kujo should have reached out to Ren from the very beginning. Ren would have done everything in his power to work it out amicably.
Another reason I think it was important for Ren to go public and be so transparent is to protect other artists and producers in the future. This had a lot of good lessons learned … especially highlighting what not to do, rather than learning them the hard way. Ren is a change agent and he’s pushing back at the power and greed of the music industry. It was a loss and hurt him personally, but yet again Ren has managed to turn adversity into pure gold. Kujo Beat Down is even rising on the singles sales charts 😹 Can’t wait to see your reaction to the video!
Thank you for your support of Ren! ✨
Am I old enough to remember that stuff? I remember my mother playing Aretha Franklin on her 8 track in the Renault (that was a car). I even remember my aunt's Christmas music on 78s. ;)
I LOVED your reactions as you went through Ren's video, it's quite cathartic watching someone else needing to breeeeeaaathe!
Ren comes with receipts, and he's known to be a really supportive nice guy - kujobeats was offered a HUGE deal and he said no.
What effing morons him and the girlfriend are. Yeah, asinine. Thanks!
Thanks! For the time and effort you put into this video! Your in-depth discussion I learned a lot. I am glad you have ..this my first exposure to your channel and will subscribe.
Omg thank you! What a super kind gesture and comment. Thank you very very much
Appreciated your thoughts and promotion of this video
Great video. I've subscribed -- The Ren Effect strikes again. You support Ren, his fans (Renegades) support you, everybody benefits. A rising tide lifts all boats, baby. Thanks for an incredible reaction.
Thanks for the sub and welcome to the channel! I really appreciate you all
Thank you for reacting to this. Your knowledge was very insightful.
Thanks for watching!!
Thanks for this, DJ. Appreciate your perspective and especially your wrap-up at the end. Can’t wait to see your Kujo Beat Down reaction 🤣 I imagine you’ll find it cathartic. Re 32:20 I’ve sent you an email.
46:20 😮 BREATHE DJ! 🤬JUST BREATHE 😚💨
My Guy, Thank you for covering this very important message from Ren. Your pace and breakdown made me, with a very short attention span, understand just how frustrating the whole situation is. Sooo much, I was feeling the anxiety of you wanting to fly out of your chair. I was so with you at that point. New Sub. from FL. Much respect!!
Really enjoyed listening to your perspective on this as an artist. Many thanks.
Edit- btw...not sure how this escaped me that you're in a deathmetal band. I was in one (more groove death style) from '91-"03 then realized...yeah- couldn't live off merch and door shares at venues and had to get a job. I'm going to look for your band/music and buy. Much love.
Double edit: sorry- listening to first track after downloading on Apple Music. Wicked, man. Great track. Going to enjoy listening.
I have some good friends still playing from my hometown. Some people I grew up with or played alongside their bands when I was actively playing.
Origin and Unmerciful. Jeremy Turner was in both of these bands and actually filled in for Jack Owen of Cannibal Corpse on one of their tours after Jack left.
Quick funny story. Jeremy tried out on bass for my band several years earlier. Collectively, as a group, we decided not to have him. Obviously, he practiced and practiced and is now way more talented and proficient than I ever was. Anyway- several years later he sent me an email. I hadn't realized he had joined CC to help finish their tour after Jack because work had taken me to another city.
The subject line: Remember when you didn't want me in your band?
Email body: RUclips link to Jeremy playing at Wacken Fest with CC in front of tens of thousands of people.
My only viable response back: Touché, my friend.
Later, my wife and I went to go see him play with CC as they were traveling through the US. Ate pre-show meal with him, his wife, and the group. After- hung out, just the group and my wife and me. Super cool group of guys (except Pat- who just went on the bus). But Alex, Paul, and especially George were super chill and cool. Talked football and gaming with George for quite some time.
Thats an amazing story haha. Thank you for sharing! And thanks for checking out my band :)
Absolutely! It's a great album. Loved all the songs. Going to listen to the self-titled album tonight. Keep up the great work.
thank you so much for taking the time to share your perspective on this very important issue!
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
Thank you for your insights into this one, I think it's really important for independent artists (and fans) to better understand these issues.
Thank you so much for such an informative video, I'm an ex old school music publisher, the internet was new when I changed careers so to learn from you about modern publishing in the internet age was fascinating. Thanks again. I'm definitely coming back for your Kujo Beat Down reaction 🖤
Thanks so much for the rad comment! If you want to email me I’d love to hear more about your career change :)
templereactions@gmail.com
This is an amazing breakdown of the situation.
My interpretation? Ren did a tism. He hasn't been diagnosed autistic yet afiak, but he has discussed the idea with us Renegades who thought we recognised autistic traits in him. He agrees but his physical health took priority.
The strong sense of justice, generosity, and open straight down the line honesty... well if throws people off. People think "there's no way this must be a trap" and assume subtext that doesn't exist.
We are hard to get angry, especially those who escaped diagnosis in childhood. We were told too many times we're overemotional. We overcorrect. We have trouble lying. I think kujo got paranoid.
I have the cassettes, cds, vinyl. All editions. Scraped and saved. Downloaded MP3 and Flac files.
People can have those traits and not have autism
@@Bethany0420 of course. There's a significant crossover between adhd and autistic traits. And of course many people just have one of those.
When I was diagnosed adhd in 2011, I was of course excluded from autism diagnosis. It was the consensus that it was impossible for one individual to have both, and dsm-v did not permit either to be added as secondary.
Later I discovered in my psychiatrist's notes he wrote atypical adhd.
When I asked him to explain he said he had a subset of adhd patients who were similarly atypical. All of us definitely had adhd, but he suspected there was something more.
We were more likely to have significant impacts from medications, so far us he lowered target therapeutic doses of medication like antidepressants were necessary.
We were more likely to have the extremes of adverse medication events. We were more likely to have paradoxical reactions to sedatives.
He is a very good psychiatrist who is always learning, comparing ideas with his colleagues. One of the psychiatrists he worked with generally managed most of their diagnosed autistic patients, and she said "you think you're seeing autism in the atypical adhders, yes? But not in all your adhd patients or friends. I have a handful of autistic patients where I also see ADHD. Not many, but it sticks in my mind."
I worked in special needs ed support with older teens. One of the "pure" autistic kids said "but you're autistic" "no I'm adhd" "yeah and autistic. He's plain adhd, she's both, I'm plain autistic"
And of course I want to see in Ren my diagnoses. So having him bring it up in chat as another missed diagnosis that led to misdiagnosis stuck with me.
Being diagnosed with autism in my 40s made sense. More than any mental health diagnosis. And I didn't respond to treatment for a lot of things I was diagnosed with over my adult life, they also didn't resonate with me. Because I was being treated for the fallout from undiagnosed autism, and wondering why nothing worked.
I also have a connective tissue disorder that was missed until my 40s. Constant emergency visits, weekly dislocations, atraumatic fractures, autonomic dysfunction, collapsing lungs. I saw a pattern in that, which countless doctors missed. I asked for a rheumatology referral for investigating potential connective tissue disorders. And yes, the pattern I noticed was correct.
The correlation between connective tissue disorders and autism is pretty sound, and is being proposed that children/adolescents undergoing diagnotics for either have the other investigated.
Hi, first time seeing your channel, and I have subbed. It was so reassuring to see someone have the same reaction and disgust to this insane situation! Thank you.
I can’t wait to see you react to the Beatdown song. It is epic!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I hope your blood pressure has returned to normal now! 😂
Thank you DJ I will be back 😊👍
Haha it finally has. Thanks for checking!
This was extremely helpful thank you! I have a feeling the one money game video may have a reason that he cannot allow you to monetize because that was one of his first more produced ones? I think and maybe he didn't have the rights to it or something I don't know that for sure just a thought I would love to see what you thought of his Cujo beat down
He did say that they are going back and renegotiating all the beatstar's contracts. Just a thought.
New sub just loved your expression watching this made me laugh as i was the same, looking forward to watching more ❤ from the UK
Just breathe DJ, in through the nose, out through the mouth. Kujo was just a greedy bully, but Ren has been toughened up by his experiences. He was so greedy he passed on chances of a lifetime. Now Kujo will become a proverb.
Right!? Still can't believe it.
Perhaps even a verb. "That dude just kujo'd himself. "
This is a great video! So informative and helpful. For me, it's so interesting to think how attribution and integrity rights differ between visual artists and musical artists (& authors). I'm also curious how Kujo's original beat sounded before Ren futzed with it - is it the same? It's interesting to wonder. Thanks for the Music Biz 101 with a generous helping of empathy and understanding. ✌️
Thanks for taking the time to watch it and comment! Appreciate you :)
React to the beat down please. Anyone who care is already up to speed with listenimg to you explain it for an hour
Breathe DJ
Oh, I certainly dug it!
He has a fantastic diss track about this. Its awesome.❤🇬🇧
Thanks for this!
#ren is the best human 💜
Seen this amazing man at SGP in July just weeks after all this happened.
So glad to see #sickboi back up 🖤
Ren a cool dude for real. Class act
So, when I watched Ren's video, like, 3 days ago, Sick Boi was back up on youtube, and it was showing up on the recommended bar on the right. Great news that it's back up!
I agree with you a billion percent about Ren not needing to apologize to anyone about his emotional displays regarding any of this situation. 💯💯💯
and right there when he choked up and his voice cracked at 53:40 to 54:20 is when I broke. I'm new to Ren's music, I do have mental health issues, and I hate that I missed getting to buy this track. ;(
Please, please, please react to Kujo Beat Down. I need to see this!
1.61m Subscribers as of this evening. With you 100%. This kind of crap is why my band only plays songs in the public domain.
Breathe DJ.... In & out, in & out (think Sick Boi)
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Thank you for looking into this and helping to explain some of the issues. Will you follow up with a look at Rens ‘Kujo Beat Down’ track?
110% actually editing it right now haha
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I had no idea you were in Abbotsford. Just a stone's throw away
Haha amazing! What’s up homie?
@@TempleMusicAcademy I was pretty excited to hear your take on this while situation. If you haven't checked out his track Kujo Beat Down I highly recommend it. It's an utter evisceration. Everything from the beat to the lyrics and the video are masterfully done
Would love to see your take on one of Ren's most potent songs, Su*cide ... it's a track that breaks a lot of us, myself included because of what it speaks of and it is, as is always the case with Ren, unflinchingly real, honest and raw.
Can you leave a link for me?
@@TempleMusicAcademy ruclips.net/video/n3JNtfi4Vb0/видео.htmlsi=5_hMDXN6StYk20nq
Be fair warned. Not sure anyone can watch this one without tears. It breaks me every time
When someone instigates a copyright breach do they need to prove they own that material?
So I'm no expert, but when it happened to my own band @withoutmercyband we could not take it off. To this day the copyright block is up there on my own material.
No, and if you ask it to be reviewed, it is the person or company that issues the copyright that reviews it.
37:55 Oh, it's worse than slander. It's in writing (as a post online) so it's libel - and the penalties are way worse.
Omg. It’s like “how can this get worse?” And the universe says “hold my beer” lll
Curious about your take on "Kujo Beat Down".
It's coming :)
"what the actual fuq" for all yall that can't decipher wtaf just thaught i'd help
This whole situation is SO insane. It makes NO sense at all. Ren literally did EVERYTHING and more just to make him happy and the fact that he STILL didn't want anything.....ugh! And also, his girlfriend geting involved is so out of left field. Idk man, this whole thing just makes me so angry lol
Ren does the car test with his tracks. He usually takes a friend or two with him 😊
See!? Im not crazy haha
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100% in agreement with everything you say. The stupid thing is that Kujobeats will still have to settle with the choir's publishers whatever happens. If it was me, rather than wait for large legal costs to come my way in addition, I would have done exactly what you suggested: Contract Ren, say sorry I f***ed up, and can we come to some arrangement as I now have to settle with the Choir's publishers and, Ren being Ren, I'm absolutely certain he would have helped to settle this. Now Kujobeats gets nothing from here on but still has to sort out the publishing with the Choir's publishers as he stole their sample and made money off of it. Madness. Like you, if Ren offered me a chance to do something with him, I wouldn't want money either. It would be an honour. Kujobeats could have been flooded with goodwill and support and ultimately his twenty pieces of silver. Instead he did this. Very smart move.
Anybody want to buy a beat from Kujobeats now ?
Exactly. When i got started in business there was a mentor of mine who made a few stories known to me. There’s an old story that’s very similar to this entire scenario.
@@TempleMusicAcademy Can't be sure without seeing the contract Ren had with Beatstars and the contract Kujobeats had with Beatstars but I agree with all your assumptions.
Please tell me you’re going to do a reaction to the beat down.🙏🏻🏴🇬🇧😂😂
It’s coming. I’m editing it as I type these comments haha
Sick boi is back up . Utube met with Ren and Ren explained their were ulterior motives by kujo. They put it back up immediately .not sure what Ren will be doing on this song. I know he plans to release a non bought beats. He will make his own beats and release on anniversary of sick boi one. Think in October. And he has a new album coming out soon t n at he will include the remake of sick boi
The original problem arose, when Rens publisher forgot or messed up paying Kujo Beats his royalties. It is absolutely sick, that a person in this situation is allowed to immediately consider his contract invalid and sue Ren and demand a new arrangement and better conditions. These are uncivilized wild west methods, which have to be stopped. In the normal world (or at least here in my country), when you don't receive payments through a contract, that you are supposed to receive, your contract still remains fully active and is not considered to be broken yet. You then have to officially inform the other side, that there might be an issue and that you don't receive the expected payments. You then demand this to be solved and put an ultimatum in. So the other side has a chance to figure out any potenital problems that might be there and to fix them. Or of course, to respond what the issue might be. Only if they still continue to not pay you and after the deadline has been crossed, you're allowed to consider this contract to be broken and sue them, amongst taking any other consequences. This is how this should also be in this case.
Yes! Contact Ren's team about your video that's being demonetized and they'll fix it!
The demands apparently made by Kujo are so bizarre that it got me curious…
In the comments surrounding this that I’ve read on various channels (maybe 1%?) I haven’t seen anybody ask these questions, so I will -
As anybody discovered what if any prior direct relationship “Kujo” had with the Bulgarian choir?
Has Kujo had similar stuff with anybody else?
How many of Kujo’s beats contain unlicensed sounds?
Just curious. It’s a big, sometimes nefarious world out there. Probably Kujo is entirely legit beyond being greedy in this case and I make no allegations, but… I am curious.
Please tell us youre doing his Kujo Beat Down video!?!?
I promise I am! It's editing right now :)
Ive a theory, i think kujo implied that beatstars were paying for his lawyer. When cassidy Hutchinson was called as a witness in the jan 6th enquiry,she initially used one of trumps lawyers and soon realised his loyalty was not to her. Im thinking that kujo was given shockingly bad advice ,so who would benefit from kujo being silent in meetings? Possibility?
DJ. To get your claim cleared I will post info on your community post or discord. YT won't let me here.
Thank you! Please email it to me... that is templereactions@gmail.com
@sigally
Such a great person, always helping the reactors with this! No wonder people confuse you with Ren😂
@@TempleMusicAcademyif the one song you are having issue with is Chalk Outlines, Ren’s team won’t be able to clear that one. Chinchilla’s label controls the licensing. But otherwise, if it is one of Ren’s original songs (not cover/retake), the form that I’m sure sigally is sharing with you should work quickly. Ethan Baer is fantastic!
DJ just DM him. He loves you reactors. He worked with Knox Hill.
Has anyone sent you the reactor form that Ren's yt guy set up to clear the videos? The only one he can't clear is Chalk Outlines because Chinchilla is signed so her label blocks it.
Yes. Thanks to you renegades, I was given the form and all is good now
The whole Kujo situation is a grift pure and simple. He sold a beat to someone, the track blew up and started making numbers. Kujo got greedy wanted more than the original contract. He saw dollar signs didn’t want to miss out and the grift started. ( side note. On Kujo’s beatstars bio he has credited himself as a producer on Sick Boi, fine fair. But has also credited himself as a songwriter when he didn’t write even ONE lyric on it. ) Also wouldn’t surprise me if Kujo hasn’t tried this before with other artists.
Kujo beat down!
That's coming next ;)
@@TempleMusicAcademy Oh- I'm definitely looking forward to this!
I was just looking for it! As a fan I found it very cathartic 😊
Why us Ren and his teampaying anything at all to Kujo. Why offer anything?? Why do they get anything??? Would that be Kujo or the publishing company.
There’s a white list form for reactors! I think signally sent you something! Did your claim get cleared?
As of this comment it's still claimed but maybe something will happen?
❤❤❤ Ren still listens to his Master in the car before releasing it!
I’m so happy you guys know what that is haha
Is this the new standard? Negotiating and legally fighting in a public chat instead of in private with just the lawyers and parties with skin in the game?
They tried it…didn’t work…greed was winning but then lost
Bro I didn't know you're in a death metal band! That's flipping amazing! I checked you guys out and you guys are dope! Next time you guys tour and come to the New York area let me know. I'm in a thrash, hardcore, metal band backed Fire is Murder and my guitarist used to play drums in Agnostic Front and my other guitarist was in Leeway and the Cro-Mags. We know all the binning agents and venues from Long Island, Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan. It would be awesome getting shows together and if Joe Duplantier of Gojira is in town we'll bring you guys to check out his recording studio, Silver Cord Studios in Brooklyn. On my RUclips community page, there’s a picture of us hanging out at his studio. The dudes, amazing guy, and he hangs out with all the local bands.
Seriously though, hit me up anytime!
That would be an honor my
Man. Let’s connect : templereactions@gmail.com