DOCTOR DEBUNKS THE CARNIVORE AND KETO DIET! - Doctor Reacts
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- There’s no science behind keto diets? Says who?! 🤔 Dr. Westman has been publishing research for decades! Is he LYING about that, or are vegan influencers being dishonest and unscrupulous in leading people to believe there’s no scientific basis for dietary carbohydrate restriction? Watch to find out! #keto #carnivore #LCHF #health #nutrition #vegan
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I've posted this before, but since this topic is about Fuhrman I'll post it again.... I was married to a vegan for 15 years. During that time I saw my weight go from 180 to 254 only eating salads, rice, pasta, beans, legumes, wholegrain bread, and fruit. My blood pressure was 170/145 and I was prediabetic. Finally at 70 years old when I got divorced, my doc at the VA told me to either change my lifestyle or I'd probably be dead in 4 years. I went keto in 2020 and carnivore in 2022. Today I'm 75. I weigh 165. My blood pressure is 126/62, I'm no longer prediabetic, and no longer have any other health issues. I'm living proof keto and carnivore work.
The same happened to me everything got worse. My total cholesterol went to 79 now I find out that that is dangerous especially in older people I am 79
I starved myself fat and sick on 1200 low fat, high fibre calories a day for decades. Had an active job. Went to the gym daily. Barely fit a Canadian size 18. That was on the semi vegan death diet called the food pyramid.
Then my husband had 3 strokes and we found out he was diabetic. 180 pounds.
I put him on the diet they gave me at the hospital. Every 3 weeks he had bloodwork. Always worse, as was he. This went on for 8 months. By then his weight increased to 210 pounds.
It hit me that the diet that had failed me was failing him. Started looking.
I switched both of us to the old 1950s British diet in the prologue of Good Calories, Bad Calories. Mostly animal protein based. Removed seed oils.
His next bloodwork improved and kept getting better. Several months later a stranger understood him. His weight returned to 180 pounds.
I dropped to a 6/8 over time. No starvation involved. Healed the degenerative bone disease in my right foot. Lowered my bloodpressure. Took 10 years, but my morning body temperature went from 94 to 98.6 my eyebrows came back. Hair thickened. My forehead is not as high. I am in my late 60s.
Im nit a vega@but ig you eat bread, pasta, cereals for breakfast, grains and a large amount of fruits then of course u will put on weight and possibly become diabetic. People can abuse any diet if eating senselessly
What happened with your forehead?
@@drwhooves6581 I assume the hair grew
OMG Fuhrman! He's actually the one who got me into keto. I wanted to lose weight and I was a vegetarian follower of his so I listened to his advice on water fasting. It worked - and I moved on to Jason Fung. The rest is history (now ketovore).
I have Dr Fuhrman’s book… I was a vegetarian for over 35 years… I found I was tired and low on energy too often.. I’m moving to Keto and Carnivore…
@@franrushie.510 was 35 years veggie here too. Switched in 2018 to low carb animal based. I haven't looked back. Lost weight, gained energy and resolved MS, thyroid and digestive problems. Unfortunately, I think I have permanent eye damage from those years. Sigh. I still have Fuhrman's book. I looked at a few pages a while back. I thought it rather - quaint.
@@sheilacollins9384 Can you expound a little on that eye damage you mentioned.
So here is my own personal research. I'm 58 years old and I have been on the carnivore diet now for seven months. I've lost almost 30 pounds. My cholesterol has been cut in half and my triglycerides were 300+. It is now 89. My full metabolic/lipid panel is all green; something it hasn't been for 10 years. My joint pain has disappeared. I'm stronger and feel more healthier than I've felt in years. My research kung fu beats his research kung fu 😀
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You go! I went low-carb/keto in late 2018 and have maintained a 55 lb. weight loss for 5.5 years. I feel great and my blood work is great (but I don’t tell my cardiologist what I actually eat on a LC/K diet - she’s a plant-lover).
I can change my lipid profile, by changing my diet, or fasting for 3 days. That shows that your lipids are controlled by your genes, and have nothing to do with being bad. My LDL went up when I started a carnivore diet, but now they've gone back down, as my body adjusted to using fat. Your genes do exactly what they are supposed to at any given time or enviroment. After 4 and 1/2 years, I'm not the least bit concerned about my lipid profile, or want the blood test.
I'm 56 years old and 11 months at carnivore diet. I feel now better than 10-15 years ago.
Y’all know cholesterol is not a “baddie”? 300 is ok. Higher cholesterol is preferred as u age, like 65, 70 n up.
Honestly, if eating carnivore shortens my life, at least it will be a good life!! I was almost wheelchair bound before carnivore, now I’m as active as I was as a teen. Better at 50 than 20 🎉🎉🎉
Same here, no point having a long life if you are suffering.
Congratulations to better health ❤
This is awesome
Carnivore will make you healthier in the short term. I’ve read several articles by dietitians saying something to this effect. It’s hilarious
Totally agree with you. I’m 72 and my hips screamed at me to the point I didn’t want to walk hike even get out of a chair. 4 months on Carnivore and I have absolutely no pain anywhere! So yes if I must die sooner I’ll go pain free 😅
Fuhrman says promoting the carnivore diet should be considered criminal and has said that he thinks Shawn Baker should be locked up. He also looks like he's aged ten years since I last saw him a few months ago.
Take a close look at a lot of vegan promoters. They are under muscled.
@@carolzhou8478No one can accuse Dr. Shawn Baker of being undermuscled!
Of course he’s a carnivore. I so respect him by the way.
@@lucyburr5516 Who are you talking about?
Dr Baker has a puffy bloated tomato face .
Talking causes him to struggle to breath .
You always see a lot of vegans switching to carnivore saying that they were so sick on a vegan diet never felt worse in their life. Go to a Carnivore Diet feel great. You never see a carnivore say that they felt so sick from Carnivore Diet and had to go vegan. so there you go.
Most of them were never vegan. They just use the “ex-vegan” name for clout and they pretty much get it too LOL
Looking at what Furhman looks like, is a pure example why I would never go vegan.
@@EminiMagic logically he might be younger in age anyway but I think he looks decrepit,, but look at the other carnivore doctors compared to him Sean Baker, doctor chaffee, etc
Been ketovore for over a year. Working great for me. Lost 90 lbs, inflammation gone, feel awesome.
Cocaine does the same thing
Ok, Dr Furhman used to be my Dr when i lived in NJ, maybe 25 years ago. I got Hyperthyroid autoimmune disease and he put me on a 21 day water only fast, it worked, never had to take a single drug. He even operated a fasting clinic at the time. So i followed his diet afterward, being mostly Vegetarian, but over time never felt great, headaches and weight flucuations, i had terrible numbers and over time started eating meat again. So i learned to use fasting as weight control method for the next 25 years, but still eating too many processed foods did me in. So i got another autoimmune condition called PMR which really did me in. I could barely walk because of the pain. Found Eric on RUclips, signed up for his education course, and the Vegan unlearning begain. It's hard to unlearn stuff that you believed for so long, then you get mad you were lied to. I'm better now, eat mostly carnivore, no sugar, lost 42 lbs, with no effort, crazy. I feel so good, and have the numbers to prove it. I'm 70 and can't believe i was able to unlearn the Standard American Dr lies out there. God Bless.
His water fasting recommendation worked for me too. It was the only thing that did. His mantra about micronutrients in all these plant foods really is a garbage argument.
I don't think doctors are the ones lying. What they're being taught is a farce, and they believe the lies just as you did.
I just have a problem with them not noticing the EVIDENCE.
Thank you for sharing. I’ve tried so many times to go vegetarian and felt like such a failure when I started feeling bad as if I wasn’t “doing it right.” I’m swinging to the other side and more meat based now. However, keto just about did me in energy wise. I’m finding the balance with meat, fruit, and veg, with very little grain (if any) and low low dairy- cheese is especially problematic as it just piles on the fat on me. Thanks again! I’m 56 female and working on strength, energy, and trimming up! Weight loss or not.
Between Berry, Cywes, and Westman they have helped hundreds of thousands of people - that's better than any "study" to me.
She didn’t find info because she did not want to. I have listened to Furman several times and never heard him make a sensible argument. He cannot, but he can make circular arguments all day long.
"circular arguments," that's the key to understanding how people would like to impose their beliefs on others and get angry with those who don't take their sides. Always defensive and driven to tantrums when debated. This is my observation of people who utilize "circular arguments" but go nowhere in trying to convince others. This applies to pseudo medical or scientists, or religious nuts. This "circular argument" is typically employed by those who want to be first, who want to be acknowledged. Listen to Terence Howard. Same circular argument. Listen to cult leaders or wannabes. Same circular argument.
Just be wary of those who speak thus.
People would rather believe the lie
I don't need science. I know what works for me. Look at what science did for us lately.
True story 😊
What do you think science has done for us lately?
@@wendyscott8425Basically what he is trying to say is that we cannot always "trust the science" and I'd have to agree, for example all the bs epidemiological studies that are heavily flawed etc.. amongst other things I am sure that we cannot trust.
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Safe and effective vax
Exactly!
Mr. Fuhrman fails to mention that oxalates come from plants. Lectins come from plants. Phytates come from plants. Cyanide comes from plants. Family member has been vegan for decades, just had a knee replacement.
Fuhrman fails to mention a lot of things, specifically because he just doesn't want to go there.
That's because it doesnt fit the narrative.
Vegan Doctor Joel Fuhrman says that low carb/carnivore diet causes cancer when in fact one of his followers of veganism got cancer. Besides, no less than the wife of another proponent of plant food based diet Dr. Dean Ornish died of cancer.
Knee replacement is minor to some of the issues that happen to vegans. Friend had grey organs, a white uterus, stopped making hormones and had her overies disappear 40 years too young.
Kent carnivore was plant based and lost his bowl, now has to use a bag to catch and dispose of his waist.
I looked everywhere in my garage and didn’t find a single study on the ketogenic diet! They must not exist.
The other thing that never existed: A human society that prospered on a vegan diet.
I looked out in my shed abd couldn't find any either
Best comment!
The only traditional (and I include agricultural) cultures where meat is not eaten by choice are where religious taboos control what people are permitted to eat. Early people were hunter-gatherers. Fruits and vegetables as we know them are a product of hybridization and did not exist. The availability of adequate quantities of wild plant foods year round would have been inadequate to keep them alive.
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Who laughs last laughs best 😅
I was plant-based most of my life and I felt like garbage. So much wrong with me. 37 5 months into carnivore and I feel the best I have in my entire life
I am only a year into it...wish I found it 40 years ago
Joel Fuhrman is the most arrogant person I have ever had the displeasure of meeting.
You met him??? He does appear arrogant in interviews I have to say.
Basically a quack with a degree....
Aren't they all quacks with degrees lol
He's definitely a shill for big medicine & big pharma...obviously...as are most of the fast talking vegan agenda pushers.
Pure evil for $$$...smh.
I agree with you. Fuhrman responded like he was afraid of the truth, even to a polite question I asked him in writing about the work of Gary Taubes. What's more, he gave zero evidence for his position. I read his book, Eat To Live, years ago and tried his vegetarian diet. It didn't hurt me, because thankfully I was able then to handle any diet, but it didn't help me either. Now I feel good only eating keto. I consider his being fast and loose with the evidence to be dishonest and unprofessional. I was a lawyer for years before retiring, so I know something about evidence with an bachelor degree in science--but not as much as Gary Taubes and Nina Teicholz, both stellar journalists.
I lost 30lbs in 5 months by just eating meat, butter and eggs. Tomorrow is my 9 month mark! My energy sky rocketed, sleep quality increased, able to lift more and run further, skin cleared up, no more under eye bags, and the greatest digesting system that I've ever had in my life. 20 + years of joint pain has disappeared! No more gas/bloating or urges to go. I'm now shredded with 6 pack abs and all that I lost in my 20's (I'm 43). All I did was drop the fruit/veg and the little carbs I use to consume. I've been vegetarian, Keto and now carnivore and my body and mind are now thriving on this. Its like I'm on a drug or painkiller without the brain fog or negative side effects. Bring on the haters or studies claiming carnivore is bullshit - you'll never convince me.
She has forgotten that most fruits and veggies we grow these days ARE Frankein-food. A huge chunk especially seedless and extra sweet varieties never used to exist in our diet until most recently. Apples NEVER used to rot you teeth like they do now!
She has no idea. Neither does Furman actually. 😂
It's been many years since I've eaten anything but foods prepared at home from basic ingredients. Her assumption that keto/carnivore are ultraprocessed diets while specially engineered "foods" vegans buy are not is sad.
Vegetables and whatnot available year around are a modern phenomenon. There is no way humans evolved on a plant based diet. We would have starved.
She's a waste of oxygen
Great video again Dr. Westman. On Keto, my weight is normal, inflammation is way down. 25 blood markers are improved. I will stick with Dr. Westman.
I've lived long enough to know it doesn't matter how many letters someone has after their name. Always follow the money when listening to their opinion.
Well said. The same thing goes for the alphabet agencies ie FDA, CDC, WHO etc. Do the opposite of what they promote and you’ll be way better off.
I’ve been with Fuhrman. He’s extremely thin. His personality is sour. He’s a true believer. His 20 something daughter has had CRPS (Chronic regional pain syndrome)for years. She has spoken about this on her faceb😮page. I suggested maybe it’s her all plant diet? She dismissed that idea as gibberish.
She should listen to Jordan Peterson's daughter, going carnivore cured her
I have crps there's no cure .
@@Christinesobsevations just try going carnivore, it's healed lots of people. It's worth giving it a go.
@@Christinesobsevationspotentially remission. mayo clinic page:
Complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS) is a form of chronic pain that usually affects an arm or a leg. complex regional pain syndrome (CRPS) typically develops after an injury, a surgery, a stroke or a heart attack. The pain is out of proportion to the severity of the initial injury.
CRPS is uncommon, and its cause isn't clearly understood. Treatment is most effective when started early. In such cases, improvement and even remission are possible.
@@DianaMcFerranlion diet I believe totally cured her very remarkable story
She calls real meat “FRANKENFOOD” 🤯
Has she read the ingredient list on a package of vegan food like Beyond Meat or Impossible Burger? Total junk
She is just regurgitating a term she heard. 😂
I wish Dr. Eric was my doc
I don't need any explanations what I know is Dr Eric changed my life from his teachings.
I wasted a year thinking that plant based was healthy and following Fuhrman's protocol. I was 4 months out of 3x heart bypass surgery with 37% ejection fraction (up from 10% presurgery), fatty liver , 6.4 A1C with metformin and glyburide, bp meds Body weight was never really an issue. The 4 months after surgery I had already cleaned up my eating a lot with no added sugar and almost no grains or grain products. One year later, exactly NOTHING had changed. I had the same meds, and the same numbers. My own education was going on in that year and when I got the results, I made the switch to 20 carb or less keto. 9 months later ALL meds were gone bp was normal, fatty liver was gone, A1C was 5.3 (no meds) and very important to me the ejection fraction had gone up to 48%. I am now 8 years post surgery and feel fine. 77 years old, active, still working 4 hours per day in a school kitchen, take a couple of supplements and have been mostly carnivore for 4-5 years now. Fuhrman is a quack doing lots of people harm. Oh, and I have not seen any pill pushing Dr for about 4 years.
Sooo many lies just for clout
Nina Teicholz writes 'Genghis Khan was able to build a vast empire in large part because his Mongol warriors' “consumed a steady diet of meat, milk, yogurt, and other dairy products, and they fought men who lived on gruel made from various grains,” wrote former anthropology professor Jack Weatherford in a 2004 book. “The grain diet of the peasant warriors stunted their bones, rotted their teeth, and left them weak and prone to disease. In contrast, the poorest Mongol soldier ate mostly protein, thereby giving him strong teeth and bones.”
And these historical texts are supposed to have scientific value and used as a reference ? Come on now...😮
This is documenting ancient ecological knowledge.
@@Cervin_Suisse You mean HISTORY? You don't want to reference HISTORY? How very communist of you. I can smell your lentil dinner burning, better run now! Or whatever is closest to running for you...
The Mongol warios were nomads, they travelled miles on a horseback without eating, drinking or going to the toilet, days and night without a break, in any kind of weather. So when they camped they had only meat from what their hunters killed and water. Food and fast helped them to ride long distances and stay strong, but they hadn't won because of this and because the others ate carbs, but because they were goal oriented, better trained, they were warriors and they were a team, whereas the tribes they attacked were not very interested in fighting, more in farming and they were quarrelled with other tribes, so no one cared to come and help. And at the end they were besieged as soon as the tribes understood that they had to unite their forces - some hundreds of years later, but they won.
@@orchidmuse What is your point here? Whether they MEANT to eat only meat and fast or not, thats what they DID and it worked. Just like the people they conquered were coincidentally weak and stupid because of how they ate. Intent or not, the results speak loudly.
I love how the woman interviewing skeletor doesn’t understand what he’s saying and starts to admit her own belief that sugar is bad for you. 😂
That woman is his daughter.
"Skeletor", yep! 😂
I don't care what he says. My body tells me , I'll never change my diet of carnivore. Not ever
You can get folate from eggs. Eggs are carnivore, you can eat liver, like a bratwurst from pig liver from Oscar Meyer at the store or if you are pregnant and won't eat liver, they have liver pills, but you can also get it from peanuts, and dairy so put a little bit of peanut butter in a yogurt.
Yeah I wouldn't listen to someone who freaking lies. Is it really that hard to get someone to eat some dark chocolate for magnesium. I mean maybe if your carnivore... Then okay.
I totally agree, if you eat only vegetables you can get deficiency’s and become sick so makes sense even omnivores don’t need too include them !!
@@makaisenki Peanut butter and dark chocolate are both bad news. I would not recommend them.
@@rawmilkmike I agree with you. Both peanuts and dark chocolate contain oxalates, and peanuts are no nuts - they are legumes.
Why would dark chocolate(90 to 100% cavao) bad ? The heavy metals ? Those are everywhere, especially in fish but also in bovines.@@rawmilkmike
That Planter looks a bit frail. His colour is poor.
His daughter tho…
was going to coment this he looks gray and the hair is not helping .he looks like that Johnson millionaire tech guy in terms of coloration and hair
Paul Saladino is NOT a “founder” of the carnivore diet. People have been eating carnivore since the beginning of time. It was Dr. Shawn Baker who kind of “reintroduced” the carnivore concept, and he started practicing the carnivore diet a while back, then researched and wrote about eating carnivore, and from what I’ve learned, Baker is the one who coined the term “Carnivore”. Then you have people like Kelly Hogan, her doctor, Dr. Dunlap, suggested she go meat-based over a decade ago, and she’s been talking about her carnivore journey for years. And, there are many other people like Dr Atkins, who promoted eating more meat decades ago, and more recently doctors like Chaffee and Berry who have found major positive health results from eating carnivore themselves and for their patients, around the same time or way before Saladino came along.
N of 1 - started low carb in October 2021 when diagnosed with diabetes; 3 months later I had remitted my diabetes. Now tending more towards carnivore. I am now metabolically healthy and back to my proper weight before I had children in the mid 1980s. Most incredible and unexpected change (I had no idea that this was possible): my hair is going back to its original colour; even my boss has noticed the difference. I didn't know if low carb would work but after reading lots and lots of comments on YT videos I decided to try it for 3 months. It's now been over 2.5 years. I'm now 66 years old.
@dyldabeast9176 It's sad that our health and quality of life could have been so much better for more of our life if we hadn't been misinformed. I love hearing about older people changing their diet and improving their health and it's really nice to see younger people improving their diet and finding out early on how eating proper food can make a difference. Since going low carb and learning why people get a big belly, I find that I notice this when out and about. It's sad when you see a family with children in their early teens and younger and all of the family are rotund and puffy; it makes me wonder what their quality of life will be; possibly T2 by the age of 20. I have a photo of my face that I took about 1 month before changing my diet (I had cut my own hair due to lockdown; it's a horrible pic but I'm now really glad that I have it) and my face was puffy and grey (I was 80kg then, now 58kg, only 5' tall). I have another photo taken 1 month after starting low carb I can see some change in the way I looked; I didn't look puffy and looked so much healthier, and of course by sticking with it things just kept improving. There were times when I would see my reflection and have a (nice) shock to realise that it was me; it took quite a while for me to actually "feel" slim; even though I had lost weight (and I didn't used to look in the mirror) my brain still thought I was fat and considering I had been overweight for so long, that is really not surprising. Now compared with a lot of people I actually feel very trim. I wish you the best.
So I cheat on my carnivore a bit but since I’m doing it for weight loss and not allergy related reasons I think it’s ok. I started carnivore and immediately saw weight loss/fat loss and that was very motivating. Then about a month to two months in I found my knees and hips were really inflamed and painful. I’m a big believer in listening to your body so I fasted for two days and listened to my cravings when I started eating again. For some reason I was seriously craving some kraut funkiness so I had some, waited an hour, and fully broke my fast with some buttered eggs. I have been slipping in some sauerkraut and kimchi ever since and noted far less inflammation 🤷🏽♀️ just my personal carnivore-ish diet story
My carnivore journey, while not perfect has included fermented foods from the beginning. Primarily sauerkraut becuz its easiest and cheapest to make, or buy(gotta know where). But I also include pickles, blue cheese, cauliflower, broccoli ferments. Going to start making yogurt and experiment w other veggies to fermented. I'm sure I'll try making kinchi soon too. I'm probably a little loser toward ketovore but I'm losing weight, restoring strength and mobility. Slower than most stories I read but not inconsequential.
@@tatenadeau538 Nice! Is it easy to make your own fermented foods? Asian food market near my house sells amazing kimchi with bits of chopped up seafood throughout but it is expensive. Certainly not more expensive than the pork belly that I also get there but still spendy so I’ve been considering making my own but I’ve never actually done it.
You were most likely dumping oxalates! Oxalate dumping tends to happen in cycles when you stop eating them. Sally Norton is the guru on this topic. Also EO Nutrition. If I have a pain flare, I add back some low oxalate food for a day or two which slows the dumping. I had fibromyalgia, knee pain, and bladder pain from eating a high oxalate diet. When I went Carnivore I got an itchy rash and small stones had to be removed from the inside of my eyelid. Citrate from lemon and lime juice helps to manage the dumping too.
@@lindabirmingham603 thanks for the advice! I’ll look into that phenomenon of oxalate dumping
@@ashleypurdy5105 yes quite easy. Sauerkraut is a 15 minute process. Less for veg. I've yet to make kimchi. I bought a yogurt maker but have not made. Super interesting video on RUclips about purchasing some supplementary bacteria to make powerhouse yogurt. Sorry links not handy. Wo veg, you'll become a huge fan of Sauerkraut. Very affordable in fridge section next to fresh pickles at grocery and wallyworld. Under 3$, non pasteurized.
Fuhrman looks like he's on the edge of death, telling me Meat is bad for me !
I know it takes away from an argument attacking someone's physical appearance, but he really does not look well.
Check out how Dr. John McDougall and his wife look. Dr. Baker even did a video on how hey look.
@@mattsalvatore3193 I'm not even trying to attack him. he generally just looks Sickly. Pushing anti Meat on a species who literally Hunted for survival All of Human history is New Age propaganda and Ridiculous
@@richardgray8593 Oh yeah. they look Horrible
Looks like a vampire
Most veggies burgers and other vegan junk food are all highly processed
So is most "keto" food sold in the supermarket. Eating a simple diet prepared from basic ingredients is something many people are not able to allow themselves to consider.
Yes, obviously 😂
@@kaakrepwhatever Wrong. Cooking and eating meat and eggs, etc is so easy even I can do it. I would never touch ultraprocessed keto food. I do occasionally have nuts, cauliflower, broccoli and avocados though. Again simple to prepare and eat.
@@dennisward43 Just because you and I cook our own food from basic ingredients and do so simply doesn't mean it's all that common for people to do. The overwhelming majority of aisle space in a supermarket is devoted to ultraprocessed foods with long lists of chemical ingredients. This includes "keto" food products. That's because many people who decide to try a keto diet buy those food substitutes.
I saw a couple of videos a while back by a woman who talks about her keto diet. She puts 2 different artificially flavored creamers into her coffee to start her fast day. Apparently when she started keto she heard cream is low carb, and was consuming 2 cups a day!
I think that after so much conflicting nutritional recommendations, a large part of the population has become convinced that only someone with a PhD could figure out how to synthesize that data into a meal plan. They just give up and buy shopping carts full of ultraprocessed foods that are ready to eat.
@@kaakrepwhatever Maybe it is where I live (UK) but I have never seen any of such keto products in supermarkets. I have seen a few vegan ones though including those made to look like meat. I have seen many keto products advertised on the internet though.
"Well hang on". Drops more truth bombs... well done Dr Westman.
If someone objects to eating animals, that’s fine but please don’t pretend that’s the only healthy way to eat.
That is the problem exactly. 🏆
As Phinney put it, "dogma has no place in empirical science."
And the same goes for those only eating animals and saying that veggies are here to kill us all 😂
@@Cervin_Suisse most that quit veggies do it because of health issues. Those who quit eating meat do it because of their ideology.
Haven’t you seen the movie Revenge of the Killer Tomato? It’s a documentary
@@Cervin_Suisse They do try to dissuade animals from eating them. Hence the lectins, oxalates, phytates, gluten,etc. Otherwise they would not exist today.
I did Dr. Fuhrmans diet years ago. Pain, dysfunction and food sensitivities increased for me. after 4 months carnivore has me rebuilding healthy tissue and reversing symptoms of mast cell activation disorder. EDS and occult tethered spinal cord surgery 8 years ago left me in a contracted body and destroyed nervous system, crushing my brainstem and tailbone. I choose carnivore! thanks to Mikialah Peterson for bringing tis diet to light.
So painful to listen to them. I feel 20 years younger after only a year on significant carbohydrate restriction. I get my labs taken next week. I’ve made some alterations in the last three months just personally playing with my lipid numbers so I’m interested to see where my numbers fall, thanks for a great review Dr. Westman
I do not envy Mr. Westman to deal with so many empty-headed, silly people talking rubbish.
Referencing a phoney like Saladino? That ain't gonna fly with informed carnivores.
Well, Paul Saladino looks quite healthy, maybe there is something to it. It may not be the best for everyone but it sure works for him. Vegan really doesn't work long term for almost anyone
@@bd_bsl5707 He still looks like a phoney and he always has. That is what is important to me.
@@bd_bsl5707 ANYONE would look close to that if they did the vigorous physical activity he does!
Human beings have no need no requirement for any carbohydrates in their diet
Exactly. That is why as soon as carbs are eaten the body works to bring the glucose in the bloodstream back to the fasting level where it belongs.
And your research evidence base is?
@@lindabirmingham603this happens with any food we eat.
@@lindabirmingham603this happens with any food we eat
Way more carnivores have tried the vegan diet than vegans have tried carnivore!😉
Omg. That’s 100% true!! I am keto/carnivore 😃. I used to be vegan and would never go back!
I was vegetarian for 8 years and vegan 2 of them, Then went to ketovoire 6 months ago and lost the 35 pandemic pounds that I put on since 2020, No more terrible bloating and most importantly it has noticeably lessened my anxiety, also, I have noticed sharper mental focus among other benefits as well. I Had blood work done and Metabolic panel was great, (haven't checked lipid panel yet going to do that next but my liver and kidney bloodwork was great so that's good) As of now I Definitely wouldn't want to go back to a "no meat diet". I eat about 5 pasture raised eggs and 1 lb of grass fed beef a day now (not every day but almost every day) 2 meals a day, with hard cheese, olives or sardines as a snack and occasionally a small low carb handful of berries or almonds. I also intermittent fast most days.
Yep. I had a one year vegetarian phase back in college.
I haven’t seen any
Are but you forgot, they were never vegans and they did it wrong. (Which is incredibly easy because it’s almost impossible to do correctly if you are not in a privileged circumstance)
I was 440 pounds last spring. I am now 220 pounds. I'm pretty sure that the benefits outweigh the potential issues. Doing low carb low calorie: almost entirely eggs and fish, plus a little turkey or beef now and then and some leafy greens at times.
Pls start upping the ruminant meats! Beef lamb venison goatmeat FATTY meats now that ur getting near GW
@@YeshuaKingMessiah 100% this!
Thank you, Eric.
He says there is no lobg term research. Well then how dies he know it is bad. Only in his mind
Calling Paul Saladino the founder of the carnivore diet is so funny. He promoted his “liver supplements” and eating a lot of organ meats. (Hint, lots of copper in liver and can cause many of the symptoms Saladino had).
Another good one thanks Eric
I'm a 36 yr old with muscular build.I had been mainly SAD diet but also vegetarian with limited amount of meat in previous years.
I started carnivore about 6 months ago to get rid of GERD. Little did I know my physical and mental health would improve in every conceivable way. My GERD gone, I don't get sick or sunburned anymore, no more anxiety, stronger, more endurance, I lost 35 lbs, no more inflammation and puffiness, no more brain fog, and much more mental acuity. And reversing years worth of aging. Getting rid of processed food and seed oils is great, but getting rid of carbs and plants has been incredible for me. Before if I were to eat ANY carbs, I would get heartburn or acid reflux. Now I can at least enjoy some milk or limited carbs, and no more heart burn! Most days I feel super human compared to what I was before.
👏👏👏your last statement Mr. Dore is so spot on!!
Thank you very much, Professor, for helping us understand the facts.
If someone can live for 30 years on keto and/or carnivore, I'd say it wasn't that dangerous!
I'm one of those multi year carnivores who has deluded myself and my doctor into believing my blood work and my own since of excellent health. Please send a vegan to save me (LoL).
The biggest culprit for purine production in the body is fructose, not meat. But you'll never hear this from a vegan...
Or an MD who tells you that you have gout.
I just watched an excellent video by Dr Richard Johnson explaining how high blood levels of glucose triggers the polyol pathway that converts glucose into fructose as well!
Im a 4 year nose to tail carnivore. Not sure if that counts as long term?
I feel amazing. Most of the time I eat:
lamb, wild salmon roe, and pastured eggs. Usually, I have 1 meal a day, but if im really physical that day, two meals.
Perfect. Would love to find wild salmon roe!
Awesome obective review of that Podcast. Done with gentlness and respect.
Im 33, been working out since 15 years old, never been overweight and definitely ate some garbage in my time, but was always weary of my health. So i decided to do carnivore. Once I got into it, not one time have I not wanted to go to the gym. Im always motivated to go now where as before I would try to talk myself out of it. That right there tells me it has improved my well being. Im also less stressed and have a sense of calm about me that I havent had since I was a teen, where as before I started carnivore I seemed more on edge and even angry alot more often. Im thankful I found out about carnivore at age 33 rather than later.
I found out yesterday my aunt who is vegan is now in a wheelchair.
In 2001 she went from a standard diet to follow the vegan lifestyle, and in 2010 had her first stroke. She went from a normal weight to being underweight and full of inflammation. Her last stroke 2023 has left her wheelchair bound, it was her third stroke. I would think it's her she right?
Unfortunately my uncle went vegan at the same time, he's had 2 strokes and since 2016 has only left his house for funerals.
They both don't smoke or drink, but they are both brainwashed into the cult and won't listen to anyone about their health 🙄
The Inuits get vitamin C from the skin of the narwhals they catch (they call it muktuk). Its concentration of vitamin C is higher than in tomatoes for instance...
They also get it from meat. Meat contains some vitamin C: we are told that it doesn't, but the "experts" never bothered to test for it. If you eat a mixed diet glucose outcompetes vitamin C to get into cells as they share the same Glut4 transporter. So if you eat carbs, you need more vitamin C.
Interesting point I would like to pose to Dr. Furman. The medical system has been heavily advocating for a low fat, low cholesterol, plant based diet since the 80s. These, and subsequent guidelines were all based on the same "research" I would imagine. Are the current rates of diabetes and heart disease in line with what these recommendations were supposed to achieve? If not, why? And why should we not try something diametrically opposed to those guidelines if we want the opposite results from what we are seeing in the world population. Remember that actual results are better than guesses. Worst case is we will end up with the same heart disease as following current guidelines. Best case is we fix diabetes (which he himself said happens) and heart disease which is associated with diabetes.
I started sleeping after 20 years of insomnia. My hands pain and my knee pain gone 2 days on carnivore. I can breathe better my nose is unblocked. my hand pain gone in 2 days and I have severe ra. I will carry on!
What about DR TC Campbell's studies of turning cancer on and off by changing the amount of protein eaten.
I would love to see a debate with Dr Campbell and Dr Chaffee.
Dr Thomas Seyfried from Boston University has a research lab and clinic where he uses carbohydrate restriction in combination with pulsed therapy reducing glutamine to starve cancer cells as cancer can't live with out these 2 fuels. He says instead of poisoning the body to try to kill all the cancer cells (which rarely works anyway) to starve them so they can't grow and the body's immune system keeps them in check.
When I was a Pathologists' Assistant, I could always find areas of prostate cancer in a gland when doing an autopsy on an older man. (Most pathologists and path assistants don't look that closely unless it is documented that the patient had prostate cancer. The cancer is hard to see in the gland as the gland is about the same color as the tumor. My point is that we have cancer cells all the time, but if your innate immune system is working as it is designed and you don't feed it by constantly jacking up the blood glucose throughout the day, the body keeps it in check.
When I asked a holistic doctor ( Christianne Northrup) at a conference about Dr Campbell, she said "If you look at him, he looks like a skinny frail old man" and didn't recommend his low protein diet. This was almost 20 years ago...
Not gonna lie, it's funny that it sounded like Eric said Joel "Vermin". 😄
😂
I’m kind of ketovore (animal protein and cruciferous vegetables and berries and apples, etc.) and before I used to hold onto rails to climb stairs, now I don’t and I have much more energy than before at 77, ckd 3a
I put grab handles on the way down my basement stairs. 55 pounds later, I never need them. I only eat non-starchy vegetables (including home fermented ones and salads with homemade EVOO mayo) with my big pile'o'meat in my one meal of the day. I found a 1.4 pound T-bone steak in the "soon to expire" section of the meat counter today and had as much of it as I could eat tonight. Life is good.
I turned 78 six months ago and went ketovore from carnivore. I improved my CKD 3a to CKD 2. with additional specific supplements.
I'll post the items straight after this to see if utube deletes it like it did on another channel.
To reduce high Creatinine.
Benfotiamine (B1) 300mg
Quercetin 500mg
R Alpha Lipoic Acid 500mg (not ALA)
Stinging nettle tea
Dandelion root tea
Chamomile tea.
Yeah, deleted again, weird.
@@rubix01 I’m trying to gain weight. Did this happen to you also?
Love your debunks !!!
And as the curtain draws to a close, Dr Eric Westman steps out to Wbow. to the roar of the crowd. Certainly the clear Victor here.
Have you checked the prices on all the supplements that Dr. Fuhrman sells? YIKES!!!!!
Expensive pee
And now you know why he doesn’t comprehend the science, it would lose him money
Thank you for all the work
I make a habit of taking what people say with a grain of salt, especially if they have a clear and obvious prejudice.
I agree. But I also add some meat protein and healthy fats to that grain of salt 😉
@@Amaryllis-4U LOL. I love it!
Protein from beans nuts and seeds? LMFAO
Beans: The more you eat the more you ... I've noticed that this doesn't happen to me now!
Also whole grains
Combine them in certain ways
That’s the mantra
It’s survival food, not thrive food
So clueless about oxalates, lectins, and phytates.
I followed a plant based diet 9 and one half years everything got worse gained wait atherosclerosis got worse and my folate was really low. It is a bunch of bull. And I speak from experience no salt no oil and no sugar
Why no salt, you might what to look at that also. As salt has our main electrolytes
@@Damcarnivore that was when I was whole food plant based it's a big thing in wfpb community no salt no oil no sugar. I use salt now
@@JoanneMartin-d3b that makes sense thanks for the reply.
my body debunked the vegan diet. I don't care who eats what. I care that people tell others that there's is the only one right diet. There is not!!!! we are not all the same. I can't eat nearly the amount of nuts my husband eats. I can't eat the amount of bread he eats. I can't drink beer. I can't drink the amount of coffee my brother drinks. I can't eat oranges. I don't absorb plant iron well. I can eat more fat than my husband. He can't eat fried foods, in polyunsaturated oil...I can (not that I like to, but I can digest them, he throws up anything cooked in 'seed oil' (too polyunsaturated) but he can eat the same foods fried in butter!).
My son can't a lot of fat. He gets diarrhoea if his fat goes above about 30% of his diet. I can. I love fat. I can eat 70 percent fat in my diet and feel great. I do well on lots of protein as well. I felt GREAT on keto. If your blood tests are fine and your body feels good and you poop well that's a good diet for you. I don't do well on a vegan diet. I have a friend is a healthy vegan. I have a pescatarian bean and legume eating sister in law who is overweight and always got health issues, hair falling, skin problems... everyone should just stop with the tribalism and chill out. I wouldn't go carnivore but I can assume if it's not good for someone they will stop eating it but it's not my business and nor do I make money from telling people how to eat!!!!
It was Joels 'Eat to Live diet that made me so anemic!' so it didn't suit ME
I tend to agree with you.
I think each of us should try to find what works for us.
Like you said each one of us is different.
I love keto/carnivore diet. I have seen it do many wonderful things, including improve mood and mental health. It lowered my blood sugar too.
Carnivore is the only lifestyle that I hear more positives than negatives, for myself I would rather die sooner than suffer from the TMJ I suffer constantly for 6 years as a vegan of 10 years, I couldn't give a S what they say now
I've been low carb for 2.5 years (remitted diabetes and back to ideal weight without trying) with LDL increasing (trigs/HDL good ratio). I'm preferring quality of life over quantity - I am now metabolically healthy which I haven't been for a very long time.
I follow a keto diet, and do enjoy a robust vegetable diet, with greens, low or no carb veggies. Humans did evolve consuming, greens, medicinal plants, mushrooms, and foraged plants. Plenty of vitamins and minerals are present. I think carnivore and keto consumers who don’t include a diverse plant diet are missing a great deal of phytonutrients. Keto does not mean plants are not included in the proper human diet. I don’t see keto/carnivore in opposition to consuming select plants and a rare piece of fruit as a treat.
There are no essential carbohydrates. Humans evolved as scavengers/hunters.
@@2old4allthis I’m not advocating for carbs. What about phytonutrients? Do you believe humans evolved as hunter gatherers?
@@Driftless_Wanderer Humans evolved as scavengers/hunters. The earth just started coming out of the last 1-2 million year ice age 12,000 years ago. Parts of Africa were still covered in snow and ice less than 5000 years ago. Imagine being dropped anywhere on earth and thriving, or even surviving, with any meaningful portion of one’s diet being comprised of plants. Now imagine doing it with the climatic conditions of an ice age. Isotope studies confirm we were essentially 100% meat-eaters thanks to the abundance of megafauna.
@@Driftless_Wanderer Humans evolved as scavengers/hunters. The earth just started coming out of the last 1-2 million year ice age 12,000 years ago. Parts of Africa were still covered in snow and ice less than 5000 years ago. Imagine being dropped anywhere on earth and thriving, or even surviving, with any meaningful portion of one’s diet being comprised of plants. Now imagine doing it with the climatic conditions of an ice age. Isotope studies confirm we were essentially 100% meat-eaters thanks to the abundance of megafauna.
@@Driftless_Wanderer Humans evolved as scavengers/hunters
I followed Fuhrman and his way never improved my autoimmune illness. I tried anything plant-based, you name it. The only thing that has helped me is the carnivore way of eating. It has given me my life back, finally!
Thank you so much Dr Westman. Love your reviews on these videos trying to debunk a proper human diet/life style.
Still not convinced that any extreme diet is superior to a balanced diet and eating less. We can all cut our food intake by half and be perfectly well nourished.
The most sensible comment on this site.
So using his argument I’m not sick now, haven’t had so much as a sniffle in almost 2 years, no joint pains but further down the line I’m going to suffer!! … really??
Humans are carnivore not rabbits
No, we are omnivores
I will take the results of keto/carnivore diet over faith based diet, thank you very much.
what do you mean "faith based diet"?
Low carb and intermittent fasting helped me lose 90 lbs. and my Dr. couldn’t believe it. I told her I am a science experiment of one and it works.
something unexpected when i went carnivore was my low testosterone went from 230 to 700's. Im now covered in a decent amount of muscle that I could never get no matter how damn hard I hit the gym.
There are lots of studies showing a number of relations between this and that depending on how the study is conducted. But if you can't make a single prediction about future outcome, you can't call it science. At all.
I have had gout for years usual a couple of arracks a year. Going on a keto diet has elimanated my gout attacks for 2 years
The terms, high quality protein, and vegetables are mutually exclusive!
*THIS IS THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.* For more than 200,000 generations humanoids were hyper carnivores and apex predators. They evolved with a stomach PH of 2 (highly acidic), eyes facing forward in the skull like all carnivores, and sharp, pointy canine teeth. They became so proficient at killing they drove most large land mammals like the Mastodon and Wolly Mammoth into extinction about 12,000 years ago. It was only after this happened that humans ever ate a vegetable to keep from starving to death. Humans began farming about 600 generations ago. Processed foods have only been around for 20 generations, and vegetable oils have only been around for 10 generations. For 3 million years humans never ate carbohydrates at all except a few berries in the Spring and Fall. 300,000 years ago there was 9 species of humanoids living on Earth. 30,000 years ago there were only 3. In order to determine the proper human diet one must figure out what man has eaten for his entire existence, and fatty red meat was a large part of it. Maybe in another 10,000 generations humans will evolve to utilize carbohydrates, processed foods, and vegetable oils but right now they can't.
I did not watch yet, will later, but wonder how does he debunk something I am literally doing. Am I real?
😂😂😂
No, when someone says they debunked your diet, you immediately cease to exist in this realm of the multiverse.
You're just words on the internet. You're not real!
You're not a study so you're not real. 😂
I have spent a good part of my life as a consultant to companies trying to introduce new technology and ideas. One rule I have developed for myself when dealing with dogmatic experts who say it can't be done is to point out the amazing flexibility of the academic mind once presented with an irrefutable truth. Things that were ridiculed as crazy scientific ideas twenty or thirty years ago are now in textbooks like they knew it all along. Keto and Carnivore are making the people selling a plant-based agenda nervous, so we get this kind of arrogant, fast-talking, brash, aggressive push back but give it another 10 or 15 years, and they will be talking about it like everybody knew it was good all along and this guy will be forgotten. Sadly I see zealots like this who don't seem to really care if you are healthy because you are acceptable collateral damage to their narrative.
It worries me that people will believe this guy who’s spreading misinformation. Thx for, in a level-headed way, explaining where he is being misleading. If people believe him, so be it. Just shows the importance of believing those we trust. 👏🇦🇺
I've been on the carnivore diet for about 5 months now, when does the scurvy from lack of vitamin C start ? Yes I do have sleep disorders but I think it is because I don't need as much sleep now. I feel fantastic, no more gut issues, my skin is so much better. My bald spot is filling in. My muscles have came back and I don't work out. I am smarter now for some reason.
Scurvy only takes a few weeks to manifest. There is enough vitamin C in meat to meet the body's needs if you aren't eating carbs. Glucose and vitamin C complete for the same Glut4 transporter to get into cells. The body gives glucose priority as it wants to get the glucose back to the fasting level ASAP.
@@lindabirmingham603 Thanks for information.
Just watched a video by RUclipsr called Plant Chompers on the Framingham study. Would love to see Dr. Westman do a video comment on it.
Me too. In the meantime, I believe Dr Anthony Chaffee has discussed this in detail. Perhaps Professor Bart Kay as well.
Food questionnaires are NOT hard data. All studies based on them should be thrown out. Full stop.
I’m sorry, but I don’t wanna be hungry all day long for the rest of my life and that’s what a vegetarian diet does at least for me or the standard American diet. Always hungry never satisfied, low carb diet satisfied no need to continuously snack all day long.
She says “Carnivores are loud on the internet”
Uh most of the spoiled brats currently protesting & destroying college campuses claim to be VEGAN. They put VEGAN FOOD in their list of “demands”😂😂😂
Young Vegans are idealists that I admire even though that diet didn’t work for me. Protest is the legitimate work of everyone. You could say Low-carb is a protest movement,
Completely agree 👍
It's a shame that we can't do a "sliding doors" comparison (I'm referring to the movie which gives 2 different scenarios of what might happen) of people where they eat low carb/carnivore vs plant based.
We really should have more long term /cohort studies on keto diets. A correction, Dr. Westman, the keto diet has been around for over 50 years. I ran weight loss studies using "protein sparing modified fasts" in the 1970s at a research/teaching hospital. People were delighted. It worked. We monitored electrolytes, mood, and heart health. No problems. It was stopped by administrators for some reason. So, it's time. If there is a higher cholesterol norm for keto diet followers, then if nothing else that's big news refuting or, I really doubt it, validating the cholesterol hypothesis.
The results of a study show the results of the people who fronted up the money. The 7 nations study was actually 23 nations, and so they cherry-picked information. The blue zone study neglects to mention that the people in those regions eat pork, chicken, fish, goat, and lamb. Many of these studies rely on food recall; counting a hamburger with fries as "meat". I'm ketovore (beef, egg, cheese, and romaine lettuce) for two years now, and I feel great with excellent lab results. It's another case of I'm plant-based, so im going to sling bullshit and try to convince everyone they need to be sick also. And for the record, sugar feeds cancer. They've known that since the 1940's.
People can eat whatever they want but the one thing that bugs me is they’re pushing in agenda for everything factory made food, a.k.a. impossible burger. I don’t want factory made anything I want real food and real food is meat and eggs.
The only vitamin supplement I need is egg yolk!
IGF-1 and growth hormone has never been shown to cause cancer, or worsen cancer. People with gigantism and acromegaly have the exact same rates of cancer as the rest of the population. Additionally, the lower your IGF-1, the faster you age, so allowing you body to run at a more physiologically normal level is not harmful, it's beneficial.