This is a hell of a bike. If it was Japanese or European then people would saying that this bike was revolutionary in terms of its quality/value offer. I expect that this and the CF Moto that you have will in the future be seen as landmark bikes in establishing the Chinese as serious motorcycle manufacturers. I was seriously thinking about the CF but now think the Voge offer is even better. But both great bikes it seems
My BMW dealer told me that used BMW bike prices are plummeting. Whereas new BMWs, for the first time I can remember, are being discounted by dealers. I think the whole motorcycle market is going the way of the RV market, and the pleasure boat market-down.
Traded the Voge 650 at 2 1/2 years old, ridden in all weathers, scrubbed up well, little or no rust or corrosion, nothing had failed and the part ex value on the new 900 was eye wateringly generous. On that basis the 900 came my way and so far am delighted with the bike but not so with the importer MotoGB who cant be bothered answering two very simple questions…..ignored my two emails and when I phoned was fobbed off with ….. we are the importer, you have to contact the dealer……i phoned because the dealer also contacted MotoGB and couldn’t get answers. Q1 What are the service intervals Q2 How to arrange for the ecu latest software upgrade Not difficult questions but it was to MotoGB. On that basis I would tell anyone thinking of buying the 900, to tread carefully, if you want after sales service…..look elsewhere.
It really seems like too good to be true, though I do honestly think bike and car prices have been unreasonably inflated in the last few years! The list of equipment seems amazing! Surprised you don't have far more subscribers, it's a great channel! Cheers.
This bike has to be hurting European bike sales. Many of the ‘just retired must buy a massive adventure bike crowd’ would be daft not to at least test ride one. The only issue is the more toys you have the more there is to go wrong. Time will tell.
I like the idea of these it must be hurting GS & Africa twin sales. Im finding I dont want all this tech as it is indeed more to go wrong and more for the rider to rely upon technology rather than your own skill experience and decision making. We are all different thou and it does show whats possible to be built with a high standard spec for a price that is very advantageous.
@thebingleywheeler 95 nm @ 6000 rpm equals 80 bhp exactly. That's plenty of power for any eventuality without needing to push for peak revs. Tractability is far more important, & enjoyable than peak power in real world riding.
Great review Dave...I went in to buy an RE bear yesterday...came out with one of these...so many decent features on it, and cruise control!!!....I want to drive through France and do non knarly Byways in the summer...maybe a dip down into morroco....can't wait to ride it 👍🙂
"Could this signal the decline of the GS".... got a loft full of bike mags over the yrs with that tag line. Can't argue it's a cracking bike Dave and well presented 😊
they are really on the up and up, the new 800 rally is a really sweet bike too , as is the new 625 and the others further down the range for those looking for a utilitarian bike for low cost
Once again, a comprehensive and fair review, Dave. From the generally positive comments here, bikes like these will slowly become more numerous and familiar on the roads of Britain over the next few years, of that I'm sure. For the asking price, this and the CFMoto MT are amazing value, especially when one considers all the extra kit that's thrown in. In the same way Japanese bikes were slowly being accepted here by the end of the 60s and the start of the 70s, the same thing will happen to bikes like these. The Japanese had their opportunity 60 or so years ago. Now it's the turn of the Chinese. It's the same pattern all over again. Good one, pal. 👍
Have to admit over the last 12 months I have started to take a serious look at mid sized Chinese Adventure bikes including those from CF Moto, Kove, Benelli and Moto Morini , I haven't had a look Voge yet but will take a closer look now, come next season I will take a couple of test rides and see how I get on with them, if I find one I like and I like the dealer I may well dip a financial "toe" in the water and buy one.
The bike looks lovely....to me looks better than the CFMoto....the 900 cc engine is more than capable for most people.....and as for the standard kit....wow. Great assessment video 👍
Probably will sell well as the brits are mad for new metal but people need to do there research as the UK dealers will turn there back on taking these bikes in a PX deal They will of course take it if your prepared to take the hit I was hoping that the bigger brands would wake up and drop there prices but it seems that they do not see these bikes as a problem We will see who wins the battle Good video
Good Morning Dave , Wow what a bike & for the money , this machine will shatter the bigger brands tbh , my only gripe would be keyless ( old school mate lol ) so thank you for this review so take care & ride safe
I need to get some cordless heated gloves as I have an ancient pair that are at least 30 years old! I also have a Gerbing jacket, that has a story behind it. Back in the early 90s, I was commuting 70 miles per day to work. My parents bought me a Gerbing jacket and gloves for Christmas, which was a game changer. The gloves connected to the jacket and ran from that. After a few months the glove connection stopped working. I contacted the shop that I had bought it from and they said to send it back and they would pass it on to Gerbing. The jacket was last seen in Holland and never reappeared! The shop, who had stopped stocking Gerbing by then, sent me a heated gillet, gloves and a few other things as compensation. About 10 years later I saw an advert for Gerbing in a bike mag, with an email address. I contacted them by email, telling them the story. A few hours later Gerbing contacted me, asking for my address. They sent me a new jacket. No questions asked. Great customer service.
Rear hazards flash if any vehicle gets within 4 metres via rear radar. If you brake hard the hazards and rear brake flash. When turning the front fog on the side indicated flash with the indicator
That’s a serious amount of kit for the money but I don’t think I would consider taking anything as big and heavy off road apart from the odd short section of gravel lane here and there. I like all the dedicated switchgear for all the bells and whistles. Much more user friendly for the landline generation. Cheers Dave and thanks for the review
I would tend to agree. Its 230-240 Kg. Loaded with cargo that will be a struggle to keep upright soon as it goes 10 degrees beyond vertical. That said, if they had made it to say 200-210 Kg i'd have already bought one!
Camera button on right hand switch gear does not start the video recording. The button when pressed takes a photo. The video records continually and uses an sd card fitted under the seat and the recording/ photo’s are accessed via the Voge app. I know , I am lucky enough to own one.
Hi Brian stay tuned the gloves will be available through this channel soon with a good discount….here is the gilet link Trongle Electric Heated Vest... www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0D924G37W?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
15 years ago, we would all be hesitant about buying a Hyanduai car, now its a very popular car. Any competition to our existing suppliers is good for us and good for motorcycling. Would i buy one at the moment? Probably not, but in a few years to come who knows!
I did notice the little arrow flashing by the gear change indicator below 20mph it preferred to be in 1st gear, that indicator probably helps with fuel consumption and a smoother gear change. I have never seen that before but I have never been on a brand new modern bike.
Nice review, it could be made better if you zoomed in on some of the details at the start, ie the tft display unit. Even the vision of the bike could stand to be zoomed in a bit more. All the best. Cheers from AUS 👍🦘🇦🇺
Great review of an interesting bike..fantastic value for money. I think I saw you and the bike in the car park at Pateley Bridge & have to say it looked pretty impressive.
Great price for an alternative to the house hold names. Lets see after 10 years used in a damp environment where roads are salted, will those high tech do dads still function without effecting the ECU?
A lot of bang for your buck and appears very well made at the price. I was looking at these a few months ago on a UK youtuber's channel living in Spain. These up and coming Chinese bikes will be sending shockwaves throughout the European aand Japanese companies. Great review Dave but not my style unfortunately.
@@davidwandless4103 l've seen a huge increase in Chinese bikes in Spain over the past 2 years. But then they don't have our winters or road salt to deal with. I hope they are more durable than the 25 year old 2 year old Lexmotos about.
Camera button takes an instant photo. Video is always recording and over records when the card is full in incremental periods is from 1 minute to 5 minutes with time date stamp
So now you have ridden/ reviewed the 3 main mid range adventure bikes CF MOTO 800, BENELI 702 & VOGE 900 , taking away inside leg, price and dealer back up etc which is the best one? Great reviews keep up the good work.
What a grey day, what a bleak week, it certainly was a crappy day, unlike the bike. Not an adventure bike man myself but you have to admire how good that bike is for its money. The likes of Triumph and BMW will always attract the badge snobs but in these days of austerity their prices are looking very expensive. As always a great video thanks for your efforts.
@thebingleywheeler definitely a storm brewing Dave, it's a double sided sword. Great for the consumer but ask anyone to cut their prices in half to complete is like asking someone to take a 50% pay cut. It's a tough cookie.
Yes agreed pal it’s a bit of a thorny subject a bike within reach of many at the price yet a broader implication for the industry and those who work in it
Bit of a strange take, Pete. The tech & equipment are what makes the bike what it is. It's very easy to buy a much more basic bike of equivalent style & power. But then you might be pining for something with more 'toys'. It seems to me that much of the appeal of the Voge is that you get a huge amount of long distance rider comfort & practical support for a small percentage of what the Japanese & German equivalent would demand. It's true that there is potentially more that may affect reliability. But the same applies to the other brands. & few keep their steeds for even 3 years these days, so it probably isn't an issue.
Great video Dave, I do love the Voge, its a decent bike and excellent for the likes of us. I wonder if you prefer this or your CF? Commenting at the start of the video 👍👍👌👌
Thank you Sean much appreciated. I do love what the Voge offers but I do think the ride on the CF Moto is more engaging. It’s a highly subjective comparison I Know and there may be a bit of “owner affirmation” going on. That said both bikes offer a lot of real estate for the capital outlay and I’d be happy with either 😊👍🏻
@@seanobrien5520when has any modern BMW been as reliable and a Honda ? Saying that it’s like the CF Moto’s. They have a point to prove. Mechanically I’m sure they will be strong . Electronically ?
As we all know, motorcycling needs more young riders. When young people are trying to cope with housing and raising families its good that China is producing good quality and more affordable bikes. The likes of Honda have started to take note of the likes of Voge and CF Moto with the release of the Hornets and GB350. I think the upcoming BMW 450 GS will be Germanys response. Very good video, keep them coming. 👍
Saw a huge increase in Voge bikes in Spain this year. Personally l think a guy thinking about buying a GS is likely middle aged & can afford one and l don't think many would be swayed by "cheaper". I'd like to see a review battle though!
This bike is deffo fair priced hopefully rest of them notice and drop prices . This is the way to get more bikes on road . Availableilty is the game 😊 👍🏴😁✌️
Bloody awesome level of spec, very impressive bike indeed. Brilliant review, every thing well explained, nice work Dave; very enjoyable viewing, thank you. If folk can get past the prejudice against Chinese bikes this model should slaughter the GS, KTM and Triumph and Japanese adventure bike sales. I think this will happen over time as Chinese bikes develop a reputation for reliability and good dealer and spares backup. Seriously considering booking a test ride of one of these at Appleyards. It'll be good to checkout their showroom too. Hope they have a coffee machine! Cheers Dave, ride safe bud. Neil
Morning great test on the 900 it does make me think about giving these Chinese a go do they do a 900 in naked form because those adv bikes today are just to high for me but a naked is the way to go Yamaha mt09 is my top of list for naked at the moment but just testing the water before I buy next year and could save some money to add extras if go for Cfmoto take care ride safe
I am getting tempted wheather to buy one of these, seems like a lot of machine for the money, they aint been in the uk very long so not sure on long term problems that's whats holding me back, I know the engine is good as BMW use them but it's things like TFT screens and rust.
I like the look of the 525 ACX, but my biggest fear for chinese made bikes would be rust. Having seen friends start with chinese scooters from companies like Lex Moto etc, they rusted terribly after just one winter worth of riding. Then again, it's not like Suzuki's aren't known to rust.
I had a go on the a Voge 125, back to back with a Honda and couldn't fault it. If anything a bit smoother than the Honda Can you post up a link to the heated gilet or at least let us know the make; thanks.
I was waiting for you to say you’d by this bike instead of the CFmoto, you definitely get a little more with this bike than the CFmoto and probably even the better engine too, but for me I like the looks of the CFmoto more and at the moment it’s available for £1000 cheaper than Vogel at £8000,but then again the new model is coming out……and let’s not forget the CFmoto whilst little cheaper has the bigger fuel tank and a 4year warranty not 2 year warranty…..l As always love the shows,now all you need to work on is riding in the sun instead of miserable cloudy days
Great review, thanks very much! It's a really interesting bike, as is the 300 which is a direct competitor to the Honda CRF. I do think a better comparison would be with the mid range ADVs though, rather then the big bikes. All that for 9k, wow. Not that I'll be kicking the V85TTT out for it, but I'll be keeping my eye on Voge..
I genuinely hope that the Chinese brands do indeed prove to be reliable long term and in doing so drive down the cost of buying new bikes overall in a competitive market. However at this stage, much like heart surgeons, the cheapest option is not necessarily the best.
that looks grand, not much use of road, but then like the GSA range its road touring where it will be superlative, and knacking through City Traffic like a mad dog
Off Topic Feedback: V7 SPECIAL EDITION: Just pulled off the gear links on my V7...stripped down the "ball links" - very dry & gritty feeling, but no corrosion or wear... so lubed them and reassembled. I noted there was lots of red threadlock on both knuckle threads. I used blue. Hope it's still good. Anyways, appreciate your heads up in previous Vlog ❤❤ P.S. Having one hell of a problem, again, disconnecting the "quick release" fuel line on my 2020 T120? I appreciate this isn't a "Forum" ❤ P.P.S. Is the chippy still there in Settle? ...I recall an "arcade" type structure and the chippy was to the right????🎉 Memory is being in my dad's BSA sidecar! Must have been early '60's P.P.P.S. Have photos, but this isn't a "forum"....?
Well , with the effects of the vote behaviour in the USA, it will at least take another term before that happens..😂 you will ride Tesla bikes very soon now!
I think a 125 bike would beat any large capacity adventure bike in a race over a distance of 10 miles. By the time an adventure rider has fiddled with all the bells and whistles. The 125 jockey is away over the horizon...😊😊
fantastic value for money ,, as for '' enduro '' mode - no way , would not even get thru the start gate ;; quickshifter - tosh,, jerky tosh , but i think '' voge '' is the best specked value bike out there ;;;
You are most fortunate indeed to get a LOT more choices in not only models but brands of motorbikes in your beautiful nation! Thank you! SS in Hades but now with the AC on!
I think if you would not buy one of these if you was in the market for an ADV bike it has got to be your political stance with China. I know there is the spare parts availability but nearly every manufacturer has its spare parts made in china or India now days. When you think about Freddie Dobbs triumph Bonneville,his bike was an English built model unable to get a base gasket for the engine there does not seem to be a case to worry about parts from China.
So, the Chinese have achieved what they set out to do, namely produce a bike that people are willing to buy without commenting on poor quality and manufacture, whilst undercutting the Western manufacturers on price. This will lead to the market accepting China as an acceptable manufacturer and the downfall of the European marques. Job done! I, for one, won’t be buying any Chinese bikes regardless of price! And when Taiwan kicks off don’t expect to receive any service or parts from China! 😂
I had to laugh at about 10 mins Dave.......the reference to toastie titties as you're riding past Titty Bottle park......that was deliberate, right? Greenhow Hill looked grim!! I was stunned when you said that the BMW was powered by a Chinese engine......so even the so called premium brands are just "badge engineering" now! I'd have assumed that BMW would have designed and built their own engine.......but then why would I.......it's the same with cars and vans. You can find a "Peugeot" engine in a Mercedes.......who knows where they actually come from? Personally, I try to avoid Chinese where possible.......but it's becoming increasingly not possible and I just have to (grudgingly) accept it. This is thought provoking on many levels.........the Chinese are equipping the world and they can't be ignored because they're getting their (quality control) sh*t together. Hmmmmm? Ride safe bruv Dave (N. Yorks)👍
Purely depends what ur trading against and the price you paid new,, ,, what do you think the depreciation is on a 2 yr old bmw 1300 gs will be , my guess would be A LOT😢😢,
Well at least you won’t need to waste time acknowledging other bikers whilst riding, whether I am on my guzzi or my scooter adventure bike riders virtually never wave, nod or even give the middle finger, my theory is that they believe they are higher up the food chain somehow, don’t quite understand it, we are all on two wheels after all …..
The Chinese bikes are excellent straight out of the box. Imagine when they start competing on price with other Chinese bikes,you could see prices lower again, and they are grear value now.
Until the chinese pushed every other manufacturer out, subsidised by european (that is incl UK) consumers, they grab us by “the balls” and can do what they want. And that is not a nice future IMHO.. Chinese only adapt temporarily, to match and get the market, then they do what they want… Chinese people can be nice, yes, but fundamental respect for other cultures and economies is quite limited tbh.. This is not meant as a rant on Chinese, but “we” must be aware of what we are supporting… short term, me myself and i, can have consequences on the longer term.. (before someone gets the idea, that i have certain interests, we only sell parts for classics, new bike and part sales are irrelevant for us)
Like the Japanese, once they have reached a near-monopoly situation the Chinese will put their prices up. Looks a solid enough bike if plug ugly - nearly all adventure bikes are aesthetically challenged tbf. My concern would be long-term parts supply, especially in the middle of nowhere. Realistically, it's a pootling round the highways of Europe kind of machine, and probably does that very well.
@borderlands6606 Disagree, Royal Endfield prices have stayed the same, Moto Guzzi have only gone up with inflation over last 15 years, and have in last 5 years not gone up at all, unlike most manufacturers. Chinese have excellent track record for parts supply, Ali Express is more reliable than Ebay now for shipping. They build a 10 mile long bridge in the say time it takes us to add one lane to a 3 mile stretch of motorway. If Chinese take logistics under their control, and not a UK distributor, parts supply will be flawless. They have customers service levels greater than US. It can take up to 6 weeks for warranty parts from Moto Guzzi and 2 weeks for some none stock Harley Davidson parts. And if they are like Japanese bikes, the word parts is a none word as they won't need any, other than service items.
@@checker3694 hahahaha.... well they did not prove to be a reliable service and parts supplier in the past... we had to ship it back @ our cost (very very high) in case of warranty and service, and the chinese gov sponsored train, shipped it back (cheap for them) or by plane (very very expensive) ... in all case "we" loose a lot of money and credibility (customers don't want to wait that looong). Chinese also don't really care if your bike brakes down... that is your loss... even in Asia, they ride chinese and Indian because the can not afford a japanese or european bike.. but all of them want the stuff we ride here in the west.. or the size is a thing... above 400cc it is too expensive/impossible for normal people.. your view is biased, don't know why tbh.. we quit altogether with 1:1 chinese suppliers. first shipment fine, second also, and then every thing declines, quality, service, everything... but he! don't trust your own suppliers and own economy , trust the chinese! hahaha..
@@checker3694 I'd agree with some of that, though the idea Japanese bikes don't need spare parts is wishful thinking. You could argue bikes have been overpriced for years, and brands like Royal Enfield are succeeding because they offer simple, reliable, and easy to work on machines at budget prices.
They are a great bike, but they are not on the same league as the GS900F as I can attest to this from my experience, plus your not comparing apples for apples, GS1300 totally different bike to a voge….i had a test ride on the voge , lovely handling bike seemed well finished, but I noticed the gear box a bit sloppy to engage,clutch and break lever, stacks of play, yes this can all be adjusted, but it only had 400 miles, what would it be like after 5000miles, footnote: the engine is not exactly the same as the GS900F 105BHP…The Voge is still a fantastic bike , with amazing tech and build quality, with a giveaway price…more than enough power with all the toys
My GS900F 2024 has all the toys I need, 4 x rider modes, heated grips, cruise control , top class TFT with built in GPS directional and I paid £12000 in a very good deal..don’t have heated seat or radar, just the life saver glance for me… 3 grand more yes, but what will the voge residual value be in 3 years ???..I am no BMW snob, had all the brands and now back to BMW , l can trust and know the build quality…The VOGE Is a top top bike…..But if your into World politics, America is banning all Chinese bikes, over taxing Chinese cars and anything Chinese and you do know the lap dog Britain always follows Americas lead…so watch this space….
The real test will be when people travel around the World on them or just stack up serious milage, They do look very nice , first impressions are good and they do come stacked with all the goodies, but in this day and age you do normally get what you pay for.... i think if your not looking to do big miles or round the World trip, it would be hard not to go down this route, Great looking bike.
What’s not to like. Only couple of concerns seem to be the lack of evidence that this thing won’t fall apart or dealerships vanish overnight. The bikes seem to be well built and the engine is already well known so unless our government follows the same ridiculous path of our US cousins and adopt a policy of restricting Chinese imports on the basis of protectionism and crazy claims of espionage then the future is hear and it very well may save motorcycling. After the US’s performance on the international stage for the last 18 months, I would rather give another super power a go at their version of democracy. Totally off piste now so I’ll stop there.
BMW are doing their best to destroy their own reputation as the new bikes cannot be ridden in the rain due to water ingress destroying their cheap relays so these will sell like hot cakes as BMW GS owners return their dead bikes and buy two for the price of one.
This is a hell of a bike. If it was Japanese or European then people would saying that this bike was revolutionary in terms of its quality/value offer. I expect that this and the CF Moto that you have will in the future be seen as landmark bikes in establishing the Chinese as serious motorcycle manufacturers. I was seriously thinking about the CF but now think the Voge offer is even better. But both great bikes it seems
My BMW dealer told me that used BMW bike prices are plummeting. Whereas new BMWs, for the first time I can remember, are being discounted by dealers. I think the whole motorcycle market is going the way of the RV market, and the pleasure boat market-down.
That's a nice bike, I like it. The test would be to use it regularly over the the next 6 months and then see what's corroded and what hasn't.
Traded the Voge 650 at 2 1/2 years old, ridden in all weathers, scrubbed up well, little or no rust or corrosion, nothing had failed and the part ex value on the new 900 was eye wateringly generous. On that basis the 900 came my way and so far am delighted with the bike but not so with the importer MotoGB who cant be bothered answering two very simple questions…..ignored my two emails and when I phoned was fobbed off with ….. we are the importer, you have to contact the dealer……i phoned because the dealer also contacted MotoGB and couldn’t get answers.
Q1 What are the service intervals
Q2 How to arrange for the ecu latest software upgrade
Not difficult questions but it was to MotoGB. On that basis I would tell anyone thinking of buying the 900, to tread carefully, if you want after sales service…..look elsewhere.
@@andycapp3867 f you go to voge italy you can download the manual that tell you the service intervals and there's videos about ECU upgrades here on YT
It really seems like too good to be true, though I do honestly think bike and car prices have been unreasonably inflated in the last few years! The list of equipment seems amazing! Surprised you don't have far more subscribers, it's a great channel! Cheers.
This bike has to be hurting European bike sales. Many of the ‘just retired must buy a massive adventure bike crowd’ would be daft not to at least test ride one. The only issue is the more toys you have the more there is to go wrong. Time will tell.
Definitely need a speedo and a neutral light to compete in today's market.
I like the idea of these it must be hurting GS & Africa twin sales. Im finding I dont want all this tech as it is indeed more to go wrong and more for the rider to rely upon technology rather than your own skill experience and decision making. We are all different thou and it does show whats possible to be built with a high standard spec for a price that is very advantageous.
Yes pal there is a lot of tech tbh….confused me! 😂
@thebingleywheeler 95 nm @ 6000 rpm equals 80 bhp exactly.
That's plenty of power for any eventuality without needing to push for peak revs. Tractability is far more important, & enjoyable than peak power in real world riding.
Great review Dave...I went in to buy an RE bear yesterday...came out with one of these...so many decent features on it, and cruise control!!!....I want to drive through France and do non knarly Byways in the summer...maybe a dip down into morroco....can't wait to ride it 👍🙂
what a great review, looks like this could be my next bike
"Could this signal the decline of the GS".... got a loft full of bike mags over the yrs with that tag line. Can't argue it's a cracking bike Dave and well presented 😊
I can’t see it effecting GS1250/1300 buyers but would definitely get the attention of GS850/900 buyers.
they are really on the up and up, the new 800 rally is a really sweet bike too , as is the new 625 and the others further down the range for those looking for a utilitarian bike for low cost
Once again, a comprehensive and fair review, Dave. From the generally positive comments here, bikes like these will slowly become more numerous and familiar on the roads of Britain over the next few years, of that I'm sure.
For the asking price, this and the CFMoto MT are amazing value, especially when one considers all the extra kit that's thrown in.
In the same way Japanese bikes were slowly being accepted here by the end of the 60s and the start of the 70s, the same thing will happen to bikes like these.
The Japanese had their opportunity 60 or so years ago. Now it's the turn of the Chinese. It's the same pattern all over again.
Good one, pal. 👍
Cheers Mark yes history is repeating itself
That is a hell of a lot of motorbike for the money, the tech is amazing. If I was in the market for an ADV I would be looking at one of those.
After watching this, these bikes are growing on me, really interested in one.
Have to admit over the last 12 months I have started to take a serious look at mid sized Chinese Adventure bikes including those from CF Moto, Kove, Benelli and Moto Morini , I haven't had a look Voge yet but will take a closer look now, come next season I will take a couple of test rides and see how I get on with them, if I find one I like and I like the dealer I may well dip a financial "toe" in the water and buy one.
The bike looks lovely....to me looks better than the CFMoto....the 900 cc engine is more than capable for most people.....and as for the standard kit....wow.
Great assessment video 👍
Probably will sell well as the brits are mad for new metal but people need to do there research as the UK dealers will turn there back on taking these bikes in a PX deal
They will of course take it if your prepared to take the hit
I was hoping that the bigger brands would wake up and drop there prices but it seems that they do not see these bikes as a problem
We will see who wins the battle
Good video
Good Morning Dave , Wow what a bike & for the money , this machine will shatter the bigger brands tbh , my only gripe would be keyless ( old school mate lol ) so thank you for this review so take care & ride safe
Cheers Steve yes keyless can be worrisome
I need to get some cordless heated gloves as I have an ancient pair that are at least 30 years old! I also have a Gerbing jacket, that has a story behind it. Back in the early 90s, I was commuting 70 miles per day to work. My parents bought me a Gerbing jacket and gloves for Christmas, which was a game changer. The gloves connected to the jacket and ran from that. After a few months the glove connection stopped working. I contacted the shop that I had bought it from and they said to send it back and they would pass it on to Gerbing. The jacket was last seen in Holland and never reappeared! The shop, who had stopped stocking Gerbing by then, sent me a heated gillet, gloves and a few other things as compensation. About 10 years later I saw an advert for Gerbing in a bike mag, with an email address. I contacted them by email, telling them the story. A few hours later Gerbing contacted me, asking for my address. They sent me a new jacket. No questions asked. Great customer service.
Hi stay tuned the gloves will soon be available through this channel with a good discount 👍🏻
Rear hazards flash if any vehicle gets within 4 metres via rear radar. If you brake hard the hazards and rear brake flash. When turning the front fog on the side indicated flash with the indicator
Yes a useful feature….CF Moto does same under firm braking and the top model also has the radar
That’s a serious amount of kit for the money but I don’t think I would consider taking anything as big and heavy off road apart from the odd short section of gravel lane here and there. I like all the dedicated switchgear for all the bells and whistles. Much more user friendly for the landline generation.
Cheers Dave and thanks for the review
I would tend to agree. Its 230-240 Kg. Loaded with cargo that will be a struggle to keep upright soon as it goes 10 degrees beyond vertical. That said, if they had made it to say 200-210 Kg i'd have already bought one!
Camera button on right hand switch gear does not start the video recording. The button when pressed takes a photo. The video records continually and uses an sd card fitted under the seat and the recording/ photo’s are accessed via the Voge app. I know , I am lucky enough to own one.
Cheers Ian appreciate the correction 👍🏻
Thank you..I've just ordered mine👍
Good review Dave a lot of quality for the money. Wouldn't mind a link for your heated gloves and gillet👍
Hi Brian stay tuned the gloves will be available through this channel soon with a good discount….here is the gilet link Trongle Electric Heated Vest... www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0D924G37W?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
15 years ago, we would all be hesitant about buying a Hyanduai car, now its a very popular car. Any competition to our existing suppliers is good for us and good for motorcycling. Would i buy one at the moment? Probably not, but in a few years to come who knows!
...and we still can't spell Hyundai! 🎉🎉
We keep buying Subaru!
I did notice the little arrow flashing by the gear change indicator below 20mph it preferred to be in 1st gear, that indicator probably helps with fuel consumption and a smoother gear change. I have never seen that before but I have never been on a brand new modern bike.
Nice review, it could be made better if you zoomed in on some of the details at the start, ie the tft display unit. Even the vision of the bike could stand to be zoomed in a bit more. All the best. Cheers from AUS 👍🦘🇦🇺
Great review of an interesting bike..fantastic value for money. I think I saw you and the bike in the car park at Pateley Bridge & have to say it looked pretty impressive.
Yes I was there 😊
Great price for an alternative to the house hold names. Lets see after 10 years used in a damp environment where roads are salted, will those high tech do dads still function without effecting the ECU?
A lot of bang for your buck and appears very well made at the price.
I was looking at these a few months ago on a UK youtuber's channel living in Spain.
These up and coming Chinese bikes will be sending shockwaves throughout the European aand Japanese companies.
Great review Dave but not my style unfortunately.
@@davidwandless4103 l've seen a huge increase in Chinese bikes in Spain over the past 2 years. But then they don't have our winters or road salt to deal with. I hope they are more durable than the 25 year old 2 year old Lexmotos about.
Just been to the bike show 2024 and I have a F850GS and this thing is EXACTLY the same. Engine is the same one and it seems to have more gadgets.
Camera button takes an instant photo. Video is always recording and over records when the card is full in incremental periods is from 1 minute to 5 minutes with time date stamp
So now you have ridden/ reviewed the 3 main mid range adventure bikes CF MOTO 800, BENELI 702 & VOGE 900 , taking away inside leg, price and dealer back up etc which is the best one? Great reviews keep up the good work.
Thank you Paul CF Moto for me pal 👍🏻
Great atmospheric video - I do miss the Dale on a grey November afternoon! Nice bike too…. I need a bigger shed. Thanks Dave 🙏🏻
Fantastic Bike, Looks great in Black🖤
What a grey day, what a bleak week, it certainly was a crappy day, unlike the bike. Not an adventure bike man myself but you have to admire how good that bike is for its money. The likes of Triumph and BMW will always attract the badge snobs but in these days of austerity their prices are looking very expensive. As always a great video thanks for your efforts.
Thank you Ian
Nearly 8 months of ownership and reviewing this bike, it's bullet proof.
Yes it sure is a solid machine
I think my cruise control must have taken a stray bullet on day 2 of ownership . Apart from that it’s great
@thebingleywheeler definitely a storm brewing Dave, it's a double sided sword. Great for the consumer but ask anyone to cut their prices in half to complete is like asking someone to take a 50% pay cut. It's a tough cookie.
@ I cannot believe there is a permanent problem, mines been bulletproof for 8 months. Reset everything it will be fine
Yes agreed pal it’s a bit of a thorny subject a bike within reach of many at the price yet a broader implication for the industry and those who work in it
If only they made this bike without all the tech! Imagine how affordable it would be. Without the tech i would consider one, with it, not interested.
Bit of a strange take, Pete. The tech & equipment are what makes the bike what it is. It's very easy to buy a much more basic bike of equivalent style & power.
But then you might be pining for something with more 'toys'.
It seems to me that much of the appeal of the Voge is that you get a huge amount of long distance rider comfort & practical support for a small percentage of what the Japanese & German equivalent would demand.
It's true that there is potentially more that may affect reliability. But the same applies to the other brands. & few keep their steeds for even 3 years these days, so it probably isn't an issue.
Great video Dave, I do love the Voge, its a decent bike and excellent for the likes of us. I wonder if you prefer this or your CF? Commenting at the start of the video 👍👍👌👌
Thank you Sean much appreciated. I do love what the Voge offers but I do think the ride on the CF Moto is more engaging. It’s a highly subjective comparison I Know and there may be a bit of “owner affirmation” going on. That said both bikes offer a lot of real estate for the capital outlay and I’d be happy with either 😊👍🏻
The camera distortion at 2m makes the red Suzuki look like a massive Range Rover
Serious food-for-thought. Was thinking of a Honda Transalp but after seeing this review......
If your going to keep it long term stick with the Honda for reliability!
@@thomasviacava4291 how can you tell this won't be as reliable as a honda ?? Bit early for a judgment perhaps?
@@seanobrien5520when has any modern BMW been as reliable and a Honda ? Saying that it’s like the CF Moto’s. They have a point to prove. Mechanically I’m sure they will be strong . Electronically ?
I am not into adventure bikes (my legs are too short) but from a distance I would just assume that was a BMW if I saw one. looks very good value.
Lets see how the "finish" is after a couple of good winters . The chrome, Stainless steel / Nuts and bolts etc
Exactly, let's hope it's not like the BMW's and disintegrates
As we all know, motorcycling needs more young riders. When young people are trying to cope with housing and raising families its good that China is producing good quality and more affordable bikes. The likes of Honda have started to take note of the likes of Voge and CF Moto with the release of the Hornets and GB350. I think the upcoming BMW 450 GS will be Germanys response. Very good video, keep them coming. 👍
No worries, we're not having enough children anymore (1.44 fertility rate). So that's one cost out the window 👍
@@flyjayUK Good point 😃
Saw a huge increase in Voge bikes in Spain this year. Personally l think a guy thinking about buying a GS is likely middle aged & can afford one and l don't think many would be swayed by "cheaper". I'd like to see a review battle though!
Time will tell I suppose 👍🏻
This bike is deffo fair priced hopefully rest of them notice and drop prices . This is the way to get more bikes on road . Availableilty is the game 😊
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Bloody awesome level of spec, very impressive bike indeed.
Brilliant review, every thing well explained, nice work Dave; very enjoyable viewing, thank you.
If folk can get past the prejudice against Chinese bikes this model should slaughter the GS, KTM and Triumph and Japanese adventure bike sales. I think this will happen over time as Chinese bikes develop a reputation for reliability and good dealer and spares backup.
Seriously considering booking a test ride of one of these at Appleyards. It'll be good to checkout their showroom too.
Hope they have a coffee machine!
Cheers Dave, ride safe bud.
Neil
Morning great test on the 900 it does make me think about giving these Chinese a go do they do a 900 in naked form because those adv bikes today are just to high for me but a naked is the way to go Yamaha mt09 is my top of list for naked at the moment but just testing the water before I buy next year and could save some money to add extras if go for Cfmoto take care ride safe
i just wish they would bring a 17inch front wheel version, the 21inch front wheel with road tyres seem a bit silly
Wow that's a great deal. And easy on the eyes.
I am getting tempted wheather to buy one of these, seems like a lot of machine for the money, they aint been in the uk very long so not sure on long term problems that's whats holding me back, I know the engine is good as BMW use them but it's things like TFT screens and rust.
I like the look of the 525 ACX, but my biggest fear for chinese made bikes would be rust. Having seen friends start with chinese scooters from companies like Lex Moto etc, they rusted terribly after just one winter worth of riding. Then again, it's not like Suzuki's aren't known to rust.
I had a go on the a Voge 125, back to back with a Honda and couldn't fault it. If anything a bit smoother than the Honda
Can you post up a link to the heated gilet or at least let us know the make; thanks.
Trongle Electric Heated Vest... www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0D924G37W?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
@@thebingleywheeler Thanks for that Dave. Will give it a try.
Really like the channel; much appreciated. Keep up the good work
Cheers Richard all the best pal
P.S. despite bike comments, as always, love the ride outs, whatever the weather, even if there's nowt to see 😀
I was waiting for you to say you’d by this bike instead of the CFmoto, you definitely get a little more with this bike than the CFmoto and probably even the better engine too, but for me I like the looks of the CFmoto more and at the moment it’s available for £1000 cheaper than Vogel at £8000,but then again the new model is coming out……and let’s not forget the CFmoto whilst little cheaper has the bigger fuel tank and a 4year warranty not 2 year warranty…..l
As always love the shows,now all you need to work on is riding in the sun instead of miserable cloudy days
Great review, thanks very much! It's a really interesting bike, as is the 300 which is a direct competitor to the Honda CRF. I do think a better comparison would be with the mid range ADVs though, rather then the big bikes. All that for 9k, wow. Not that I'll be kicking the V85TTT out for it, but I'll be keeping my eye on Voge..
I genuinely hope that the Chinese brands do indeed prove to be reliable long term and in doing so drive down the cost of buying new bikes overall in a competitive market. However at this stage, much like heart surgeons, the cheapest option is not necessarily the best.
6000rpm and above is very smooth regarding the quick shifter
Missed enduro mode long press on the mode button
that looks grand, not much use of road, but then like the GSA range its road touring where it will be superlative, and knacking through City Traffic like a mad dog
Off Topic Feedback: V7 SPECIAL EDITION:
Just pulled off the gear links on my V7...stripped down the "ball links" - very dry & gritty feeling, but no corrosion or wear... so lubed them and reassembled. I noted there was lots of red threadlock on both knuckle threads. I used blue. Hope it's still good. Anyways, appreciate your heads up in previous Vlog ❤❤
P.S. Having one hell of a problem, again, disconnecting the "quick release" fuel line on my 2020 T120? I appreciate this isn't a "Forum" ❤
P.P.S. Is the chippy still there in Settle? ...I recall an "arcade" type structure and the chippy was to the right????🎉
Memory is being in my dad's BSA sidecar! Must have been early '60's
P.P.P.S. Have photos, but this isn't a "forum"....?
Cheers Steve worth knowing that you can strip down and maintain that linkage
stick a bit or rubber on the front of the rear mudguard, and make sure the clutch linkage their is clean and lubed
looks great value. Nice one.
They are not selling these here in the U.S yet. Fingers crossed they will be soon. That looks like a lot of motorcycle for the price.
USA will hardly see them if mad trump has anything to do with it 🙄
Well , with the effects of the vote behaviour in the USA, it will at least take another term before that happens..😂 you will ride Tesla bikes very soon now!
So happy that we through out the incompetent leftist candidate. I don't think we could have taken another 4 years of utter incompetence.
im looking for lowering kit fot this bike , there is lowering kit for bmw f 850gs , do you think this set would fit?
Hmm, living here in the States we have a CF Moto dealer but I’ve never heard of Voge. Guess I need to get out more.
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I think a 125 bike would beat any large capacity adventure bike in a race over a distance of 10 miles. By the time an adventure rider has fiddled with all the bells and whistles. The 125 jockey is away over the horizon...😊😊
among the list of things that are free on this bike - the killer: drum roll please........coffee and plate holder either side of the tank hehe 🙂
Thank you!
Can see the mounts for luggage, does it come with free boxes or is it an added extra ? 😂😂😂 Asked 30 seconds too soon.
Thanks TBW, Voge is unfortunately not available here in Aus. Shame really.
Cheers
Yeah it’s a pity, they seem to have some good bikes
fantastic value for money ,, as for '' enduro '' mode - no way , would not even get thru the start gate ;; quickshifter - tosh,, jerky tosh , but i think '' voge '' is the best specked value bike out there ;;;
I wonder if Santa will get you one…it’s a great bike😀👍
Hi Dave ,, does it have the typical euro 5 emission bullshite sensitive throttle issue?
Not really it’s certainly more refined than my CF
All those gadgets but no automatic indicator cancelling 🤔
OMG it doesn't have a @%÷#@
I am not a fan of keyless either I think it's a stupid idea for a bike. what stops someone close by just starting it and riding off ?
Like your videos but that camera quivering was a bit much at the start.
I always think it is stupid having a outside temperature reading on a bike, if you are cold then it's cold, if you are hot then it's hot !
Hi what recall did you have on your MT Sport
Cable tie and a small water pump part
@ what is the manufacturer date of your bike
@dazznutts 2023
You are most fortunate indeed to get a LOT more choices in not only models but brands of motorbikes in your beautiful nation! Thank you!
SS in Hades but now with the AC on!
what gloves are they mate?
The link is in the description 👍🏻
I think if you would not buy one of these if you was in the market for an ADV bike it has got to be your political stance with China. I know there is the spare parts availability but nearly every manufacturer has its spare parts made in china or India now days. When you think about Freddie Dobbs triumph Bonneville,his bike was an English built model unable to get a base gasket for the engine there does not seem to be a case to worry about parts from China.
Yes spot on analysis there Ian and I’d forgotten about Freddie’s problems getting that part. Just goes to show it’s not a China problem per se 👍🏻
So, the Chinese have achieved what they set out to do, namely produce a bike that people are willing to buy without commenting on poor quality and manufacture, whilst undercutting the Western manufacturers on price. This will lead to the market accepting China as an acceptable manufacturer and the downfall of the European marques. Job done! I, for one, won’t be buying any Chinese bikes regardless of price! And when Taiwan kicks off don’t expect to receive any service or parts from China! 😂
Is that jobs done? Amazing how people close their eyes to save a few quid.😂
I had to laugh at about 10 mins Dave.......the reference to toastie titties as you're riding past Titty Bottle park......that was deliberate, right? Greenhow Hill looked grim!! I was stunned when you said that the BMW was powered by a Chinese engine......so even the so called premium brands are just "badge engineering" now! I'd have assumed that BMW would have designed and built their own engine.......but then why would I.......it's the same with cars and vans. You can find a "Peugeot" engine in a Mercedes.......who knows where they actually come from? Personally, I try to avoid Chinese where possible.......but it's becoming increasingly not possible and I just have to (grudgingly) accept it. This is thought provoking on many levels.........the Chinese are equipping the world and they can't be ignored because they're getting their (quality control) sh*t together. Hmmmmm?
Ride safe bruv
Dave (N. Yorks)👍
Cheers Dave yes the quality is right up there these days ride safe too buddy 👍🏻
Oh dear.. have to try and mention the GS to get the clicks!
Of course and why not 😂
He’d be a fool not to mention the GS seeing as it has the same wheels/frame/suspension/ brakes and engine as the F850GS
Do you own a gs?
Sub $10k? When did we all migrate to the States? How odd.
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@@thebingleywheeler the clue is in your $$$ description
Generic cash sign from keyboard without £
Sounds a great bike! Why are we prejudice against these bikes?
We are being ripped off by the "traditional" bike manufacturers?
Probably a great bike but it’s a pity when you go to trade in . They will offer you a Xmas hamper lol
Purely depends what ur trading against and the price you paid new,, ,, what do you think the depreciation is on a 2 yr old bmw 1300 gs will be , my guess would be A LOT😢😢,
How does it compare to the cf moto 800 mt?
Not much in it tbh I just prefer the looks of the CF
Well at least you won’t need to waste time acknowledging other bikers whilst riding, whether I am on my guzzi or my scooter adventure bike riders virtually never wave, nod or even give the middle finger, my theory is that they believe they are higher up the food chain somehow, don’t quite understand it, we are all on two wheels after all …..
The Chinese bikes are excellent straight out of the box. Imagine when they start competing on price with other Chinese bikes,you could see prices lower again, and they are grear value now.
Until the chinese pushed every other manufacturer out, subsidised by european (that is incl UK) consumers, they grab us by “the balls” and can do what they want. And that is not a nice future IMHO.. Chinese only adapt temporarily, to match and get the market, then they do what they want… Chinese people can be nice, yes, but fundamental respect for other cultures and economies is quite limited tbh..
This is not meant as a rant on Chinese, but “we” must be aware of what we are supporting… short term, me myself and i, can have consequences on the longer term.. (before someone gets the idea, that i have certain interests, we only sell parts for classics, new bike and part sales are irrelevant for us)
Like the Japanese, once they have reached a near-monopoly situation the Chinese will put their prices up. Looks a solid enough bike if plug ugly - nearly all adventure bikes are aesthetically challenged tbf. My concern would be long-term parts supply, especially in the middle of nowhere. Realistically, it's a pootling round the highways of Europe kind of machine, and probably does that very well.
@borderlands6606 Disagree, Royal Endfield prices have stayed the same, Moto Guzzi have only gone up with inflation over last 15 years, and have in last 5 years not gone up at all, unlike most manufacturers. Chinese have excellent track record for parts supply, Ali Express is more reliable than Ebay now for shipping. They build a 10 mile long bridge in the say time it takes us to add one lane to a 3 mile stretch of motorway.
If Chinese take logistics under their control, and not a UK distributor, parts supply will be flawless. They have customers service levels greater than US. It can take up to 6 weeks for warranty parts from Moto Guzzi and 2 weeks for some none stock Harley Davidson parts. And if they are like Japanese bikes, the word parts is a none word as they won't need any, other than service items.
@@checker3694 hahahaha.... well they did not prove to be a reliable service and parts supplier in the past... we had to ship it back @ our cost (very very high) in case of warranty and service, and the chinese gov sponsored train, shipped it back (cheap for them) or by plane (very very expensive) ... in all case "we" loose a lot of money and credibility (customers don't want to wait that looong). Chinese also don't really care if your bike brakes down... that is your loss... even in Asia, they ride chinese and Indian because the can not afford a japanese or european bike.. but all of them want the stuff we ride here in the west.. or the size is a thing... above 400cc it is too expensive/impossible for normal people..
your view is biased, don't know why tbh..
we quit altogether with 1:1 chinese suppliers. first shipment fine, second also, and then every thing declines, quality, service, everything... but he! don't trust your own suppliers and own economy , trust the chinese! hahaha..
@@checker3694 I'd agree with some of that, though the idea Japanese bikes don't need spare parts is wishful thinking. You could argue bikes have been overpriced for years, and brands like Royal Enfield are succeeding because they offer simple, reliable, and easy to work on machines at budget prices.
if you have just collected that from a dealer then you forgot to pickup the free of charge 3 x boxes
They are a great bike, but they are not on the same league as the GS900F as I can attest to this from my experience, plus your not comparing apples for apples, GS1300 totally different bike to a voge….i had a test ride on the voge , lovely handling bike seemed well finished, but I noticed the gear box a bit sloppy to engage,clutch and break lever, stacks of play, yes this can all be adjusted, but it only had 400 miles, what would it be like after 5000miles, footnote: the engine is not exactly the same as the GS900F 105BHP…The Voge is still a fantastic bike , with amazing tech and build quality, with a giveaway price…more than enough power with all the toys
It's £9000. Are the differences with the GS's you mention worth an additional £9000.
My GS900F 2024 has all the toys I need, 4 x rider modes, heated grips, cruise control , top class TFT with built in GPS directional and I paid £12000 in a very good deal..don’t have heated seat or radar, just the life saver glance for me… 3 grand more yes, but what will the voge residual value be in 3 years ???..I am no BMW snob, had all the brands and now back to BMW , l can trust and know the build quality…The VOGE Is a top top bike…..But if your into World politics, America is banning all Chinese bikes, over taxing Chinese cars and anything Chinese and you do know the lap dog Britain always follows Americas lead…so watch this space….
@@blademanu7it's a bmw....you'll be stranded on the road soon 🤣
Low on brakefluid :P...otherwise a really nice bike for sure :)
👍🏼 BEWARE the hot gilet 😂😉
Ordered Mine 👌
Good luck with it, hope she serves you well! 👍🏻 😊
I was the idiot that waved to you on moor coming from masham 😊
Ah right sorry if I didn’t wave back 🙏
Remember how the "Japanese Cars" started Datsun Sunny . Then next generation arrived . This is going to be same with bikes.
Otley this morning.
Looks like you were traveling in werewolf country.
The real test will be when people travel around the World on them or just stack up serious milage, They do look very nice , first impressions are good and they do come stacked with all the goodies, but in this day and age you do normally get what you pay for....
i think if your not looking to do big miles or round the World trip, it would be hard not to go down this route, Great looking bike.
What’s not to like. Only couple of concerns seem to be the lack of evidence that this thing won’t fall apart or dealerships vanish overnight. The bikes seem to be well built and the engine is already well known so unless our government follows the same ridiculous path of our US cousins and adopt a policy of restricting Chinese imports on the basis of protectionism and crazy claims of espionage then the future is hear and it very well may save motorcycling. After the US’s performance on the international stage for the last 18 months, I would rather give another super power a go at their version of democracy. Totally off piste now so I’ll stop there.
Probably a better bet than a BSA 650 Goldstar.
As always, depends what you want.... or desire!❤
BMW are doing their best to destroy their own reputation as the new bikes cannot be ridden in the rain due to water ingress destroying their cheap relays so these will sell like hot cakes as BMW GS owners return their dead bikes and buy two for the price of one.