You'd be a good person to drop this random observation on then- I've come to appreciate Earthworks at about the same level as the classic prog stuff Bill did that I grew up with. Earthworks probably serves as a potential gateway into different and cool music for people like me. So thanks for the service to those tunes
Tory Slusher is the best guitarist in the world with 13,000 subscribers. Music has never paid, and it never will. If you are playing music to make money, you are lost.
Great interview! I wanted to let you know that there is still a huge demand for live music. I have been working 250+ nights/year ( local)as a drummer for several years now, and it can still be done. Also Vinnie you have been the GOAT to me for about 30 years now😊 thanks again for all you do.
Bill’s autobiography is a must read, fascinating and intellectual. Bill is a true maverick who always followed his muse, and it should never be underestimated what a feat it has been to sustain such a long career as a solo jazz artist.
I agree and I recommend that book to anybody who is interested about what it’s like to be musician specially during the 70s and 80s and 90s and even the 1960s regardless of whether you know who Bill is or not, he’s just a great storyteller. I just wish there is an audiobook version of it because I would gladly buy it again so I can listen to it.
He spoke very kindly about Roy Harper in his book. What he said about Gong I can't remember but that was a couple of strange drum stool choices he made back in the mid-70's
WOW..Vinnie I was your 'drum roadie' and lighting guy on Tom Scott tour in '79. The year after that tour, as the house guy at the Roxy theatre, Bill instructed me to light Robert on the start of the Discapline tour !
I am BLOWN AWAY by this discussion. Both Vinnie and Bill are long-time heroes of mine, and I enjoy their music thoroughly, but nothing could have prepared me for the depth of this discussion going so quickly. Some of the most profound reflections on the state of art and culture in today's world that you could find anywhere. I am really impressed.
I saw Bill play with Yes in 1969 at the National Boxing Stadium in Dublin on the same bill with The Nice. I was 16 yrs old. Bill’s drumming ability was apparent to everyone and what a great band. He doesn’t look much different now🇮🇪
don't tell Yes fans that Bill was the one who actually kept "progressing".. He's the one that did and those 70's fusion albums are the top shelf of that style.
Saw Bill with Genesis in 76 in London and with the Yes Union tour. I have all his albums, including a real beauty with Ralph Towner. His autobiography is excellent.
Wow…London 76, hammersmith Odeon yes? I saw the same tour albeit performed a few weeks later in Hamburg! The band , the moment was inspired, on fire and live changing for the better.
I'm going to defend Vinnie here.... as an interviewer. This is really a conversation and an incredible one. To all the naysayers here who have suggested that Bill should do most of the talking, I disagree 100%. The reason is that Vinnie is also at a very high level of proficiency on the shared instrument (drums) and most so called "interviewers" are not and cannot possibly hold ground in such a conversation with someone as accomplished and articulate as Bill Bruford. This is a real blessing certainly for musicians but also potentially motivating for the next generation of musicians who are actually interested in music that is AUTHENTIC! This word "authentic" really needs to be in the discussion because ever since the first "AI" intervention (drum machines) entered the musical landscape, authenticity has been up for debate, questioned, and should be interrogated justifiably. The age of analog tape machines seems to focus wrongly upon analog vs digital (sound quality etc).. but the real thing at stake here since the move toward computer manipulation (pro tools etc or DAWS) is the PROCESS! The way of doing things in the past has verifiable and objective validity. These two wonderful musicians grew up in a time where authenticity was a given and wasn't in question. If you heard it.. it was played.. whether tracked, punched or even overdubbed. It still HAD TO BE performed. This is where people are missing the mark and not seeing the towering trees as they stare at the path (or their phones) as they enter the forest. Thanks guys!
@@exitthelemming145 It's Vinnie's channel.. if you don't like it.. listen to some other channel where the questions are short, concise and probably less interesting.
@@robinwatson4282 "Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe" - Lex Luthor (the world is built on differing opinions. Enjoy!)
@@robinwatson4282 What you're missing is this: Vinnie is a drummer, not an interviewer. As such, Bill is actually drawn in and interested, Bill is not just going through the motions but knows he's talking to a peer. You missed out, consider trying it again knowing that Vinnie is an exceptionally skilled drummer with a list of credits nearly as good as Bill's, but as a studio guy, Zappa sideman etc.
This is a wonderful and inspired conversation between the masters of their craft. I love the back and forth, and I am the fly on the wall. Thank you, Vinnie.
What a surprise to have the great Vinnie Channel ! This will be in a capsule (YT) of the greatness of musicians that wood shed and played great music. Bruford, Vinnie Colaiuta. Inspired by their humility and talent
I am very lucky to be in Japan where there are hundreds of tiny clubs where live groups still play. I play drums myself so I can join a jam session pretty much anytime I want. Such an amazing pair Vinnie and Bill. Wow. Thank you Vinnie for putting this on!
I became a decent drummer who got a job at a studio where there were samplers. Clients demanded best sound possible, so, studio is like ‘some assembly required’ in order to achieve a specific sound. I love live drumming more than anything but for me, the studio from a writers perspective is a lab, for making interesting sound. I definitely understand Vinnie being concerned about his talent going to waste, so the answer, might be, Vinnie writes his one tunes and exclusively records them live, and EVERYONE I know will want to hear those records! And Bill, your solo on My Heart Declares a Holiday is so transcendent!!!! I could listen to that all day
I saw Bill Bruford with King Crimson at the Stanley Warner Theater in Pittsburgh back in 1974 in a huge theater, then again, in a more intimate 'nightclub' setting with his Earthworks. I actually got to meet him with the latter and still appreciate him all these years later. As mentioned, he still looks really good! Nice going Mr. Bruford!
Two of my absolute favorite drummers talking shop for an hour. Thanks guys. Good to hear you're back enjoying playing for yourself Bill. I always thought your autobiography was one of the saddest books I've read. Watching an artist admit to the world he no longer had anything more to say to us was heartbreaking. I'm so glad you've found your voice in music again.
Love Bill and his sound, his ethos, his voice and, when reading his autobiography - his humbleness when talking about his time as a young gun for hire in Genesis. He is a singular talent and just shines through in everything he does. Seen him a few times now and each performance was exceptional. thanks brother.
I was extremely happy to see this interview come through my feed. Unfortunately, three minutes in and I'm completely frustrated (as I'm sure so was Bill) that the interviewer TALKED non-stop.
@@johnnyb8250 I don't care who the interviewer is. If Bill Bruford were to interview someone, I'd be just as perturbed. If you invite someone on to ask them questions and all you do is talk about yourself, that is rude. Get real.
Mm, see, I didn’t really see that dynamic. Initially, I thought Vinnie may have been a little overawed and nervous. There’s also the cultural difference between the two. Bruford is kind of in a league of his own and I would think that Vinnie, (who is also in a league of his own) and both have IMHO “precision and timing and taste”. It is since I’ve gotten much older that I can really appreciate them both. It was the first few bars of Sting’s “If I Ever Lose My Faith in You”… and the immediate question was “Who is that drummer!?” I didn’t appreciate Bill’s talent until King Crimson and then I went back to Yes and realised how good he was then. As a side comment, the current drummer with “Beat” is an excellent drummer, but, I’ve gone back and listened to Bruford doing KC and, well, there’s no comparison. He is simply monstrous! I’m a huge fan of both these consummate players.
Vinnie!!!!!! I am a professional drummer who has been heavily influenced by you and Bill. I absolutely loved this interview because it's beyond educational listening to 2 iconic drummers having an honest and pragmatic conversation. 🙏
fascinating conversation. I really love hearing you guy's perspective. As someone who has had to survive as a drummer in the age of internet basically my whole life, I really loved the topics of this conversation.
I’ve been playing guitar for over 50 years, and only on a couple of occasions I realised I wasn’t doing it, just observing. I suspect these guy’s are blessed more often than me.
Thank you for this interview Vinnie,both are a great influenced on my drumming/music career.Both of you played with the greatest ALLAN HOLDSWORTH ❤❤❤ Best wishes for you guys from Los Angeles CA ❤.
Wonderful Interview Vinnie! You really have a great thing going here with your podcast, please continue to do these. I especially like the conversation around the state of the music industry, of musicianship and the differences between art and entertainment. Just brilliant. Thank You!
Much as I have empathy for the decline in work for elite musicians, I do have to point out that the world changes over 50yrs and it's an assumption it's going to change so that you're world remains the same or improves with it. I remember the 80's when the UK coal industry was decimated with whole villages and small towns being abandoned to the change in economics of global coal production. Entire communities were gutted through no fault of theirs and after a lifetime of hard work, nevermind the violence used by the authorities who refused to lend any help to those affected instead treating them as the enemy, In the meantime top level professional soccer players went from having to find work anywhere they could after their athletic careers finished - taxi drivers, builders etc - whereas now a similar level player can retire at the age of 25 a multi-millionaire. Pop stars rode & drove the fashions of the day, now they are global manufactured brands. Who would have predicted these changes in 1975? And funnily enough, you can't blame the internet or mobile phones for these changes!!!! If it wasn't for teenage kids having disposable income for the first time ever in the late 50's & 60's, pop music wouldn't exist at all - turns out Bill & Vinnie would done something completely different with themselves (brilliantly probably....). As such it looks like similarly talented people will have to pursue the patronage of rich benefactors, corporate sponsors or the State to fulfil their abilities in the future, otherwise it's making oneself into a brand to be survive. Anyway, I'm a massive Crimson fan - Indiscipline is one of the all time greats - and Joe's Garage is my fave Zappa album so both these guys have entertained me enormously for decades for which I am most grateful. Thanks & good luck! (apologies for the essay, but it is an hour long podcast, so, y'know...)
A conversation between two great drummers with tremendous experience who have invested so much of themselves in their music over the years. Listening to the dialog about art and entertainment, i couldnt help but think about the very elusive art of preaching and how difficult it is to define--how many vastly different and personal, even idiosyncratic, ways there are to be good at it--and how personal listening to and witnessing it is, too (how different people may be trying to get something different out of it, or be attracted to some very different facet of it that may be trivial to someone else). There are some things that are very profound and important to us, and personal, that are very hard to define beyond simply being experienced. Music has that kind of pull and power, and i get the sense that--because of the earnestness with which both Bill & Vinny have approached music and drumming and playing with others--that there is a kind of hunger to be a part of something and produce something special that satisfies something in our humanity, that maybe only a similarly hungry person would uncover
The day I heard Yes’ « Fragile », my whole life changed forever. From the very first snare hit : Bruford just pulled me to jazz. Mic piercing sound, Swing
Also... another note is I would absolutely LOVE to be performing in actual venues more with others, more than only recording and posting content. The problem is, almost none of the available venues in NYC (and basically everywhere else) are worth putting in the effort for. Nearly none of them have regular crowds and expect you to not only perform, they also expect you organize and promote the entire event, including securing opening acts. Many of them even want cash deposits from the bands to perform to cover the cost of THEIR employees. They generally provide nothing but a stage and a sound guy (usually a pretty bad one at that). I survive by teaching and creating content and getting small sponsorships and gear reviews. I refuse to stop making creative content though, and I also refused to juggle chainsaws. This is made me less 'big' than other creators doing similar things as me, but I don't care. I need to create things that I am personally interested in, not doing the world's fastest drum solo while skydiving. :p
This is priceless. I feel like I'm being allowed into the green room where the real conversations take place (although I would not really know!). Thanks Vinnie!
I should realy be ashamed of myself for not realy following Mr Bruford's career . I am a drummer and music lover of all styles. Thank You Vinnie for creating this chance to hear his perspective.
OK! Now that I've watched/listened to the whole episode... WOW! I'm even MORE amazed at having these two musicians in the same place at the same time talking about the same thing! I've always held the belief that the one drummer I would have loved to see play with FZ would have been Bill Bruford. I've seen a number of different interviews were FZ said things to the effect that he was looking for drummers who didn't just 'hit' drums in a sequence... he wanted to replace parts of the drum kit with different sounding things: bells, horns, random sounding things. All of it 'played' like drums but not 'sound' like drums. Bruford DID THAT! He was one of the first drummers that I can think of who abandoned the sound palette of drums tuned down from left to right and added those kooky Simmons pads to created something that sounded really unique! And then by the time the late 80's / early 90's came around he wasn't even playing those triggers exclusively rhythmically, he played them melodically! Then you look at BB's career and see all the covert intersections with the FZ Academy: he leaves UK and who replaces him? Terry Bozzio! He rejoins King Crimson and who is there at the front of the stage? Monsieur Belew! Maybe it is dementia setting in but it just seems like the universe was always pointing in that direction but somehow 'things' conspired to keep the ball from going through the goal posts. And by no means is anything I've said here meant to be disparaging to Vinnie Colaiuta (he's NOT just a 'boom/bash/boom boom/bash" drummer (laughing). According to people who know one of the best sight readers ever to sight or read!
I think you guys are hitting on one thing that has been a concern of mine for quite a long time now and that is the celebration of mediocrity! When everyone is celebrated and told they are special it's really hard to recognize when you're in the presence of greatness. I have so much respect for both of you and your contributions to music. I will always prefer the "feel" that can only be captured by guys in a room. Thank you for the interview Vinnie! ✌️&💙
I saw Earthworks and they were great. Every once in a while I would remember this is the same guy that was in Yes and King Crimson but here we were on a golf course in San Diego enjoying a great Jazz band. Bravo to Bill for not making it all about him,and he easily could have.
Vinnie, you are absolutely right about losing feel at large venues. I saw you killing it with Allan at Park Elevator Company in Charlotte NC in '90, after the release of "Secrets". Small venue, fantastic show/sound and ambiance. Nothing like it since. I've chatted with Steve Hunt about this on occasion. 🔥
Vinnie, love this interview! It’s always so great to hear you talk with folks like Bill who have influenced you. Both of you have influenced me… and I’m a guitarist. Just gotta say thanks!!!
Thank you, Vinnie! This is my first time watching your show. I am only @4:34 now, though there is one thing I noticed. Bill Bruford's facial expressions are the same after all these years!
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I was with Bill & Earthworks from about 1997-2004, he's a great guy & bandleader - eternally grateful for those experiences, thanks Bill!
I saw you in Earthworks during those years, you were great, Steve! Thank you!
You'd be a good person to drop this random observation on then- I've come to appreciate Earthworks at about the same level as the classic prog stuff Bill did that I grew up with. Earthworks probably serves as a potential gateway into different and cool music for people like me. So thanks for the service to those tunes
Your touch on the middle section of Belzebub still gives me goosebumps.....
I saw you several times with Earthworks, Steve. Very happy, fantastic musical experiences you gave us in the audience. Thank you!
Tory Slusher is the best guitarist in the world with 13,000 subscribers. Music has never paid, and it never will. If you are playing music to make money, you are lost.
Thank you all!
What a beautiful meeting and conversation !
Have to have another listening soon !
Thanks so very much for this !
Thank you for this.
One great experience for me was a Zappa concert at University of Maryland shortly after you joined the band.
Thank you Vinnie
Great interview! I wanted to let you know that there is still a huge demand for live music. I have been working 250+ nights/year ( local)as a drummer for several years now, and it can still be done. Also Vinnie you have been the GOAT to me for about 30 years now😊 thanks again for all you do.
Thanks Vinny for your contribution to Music, a life's work! You are my hero!
I’m 74, saw bill in 1972 with Crimson. He’s speaking, thinking and looking good at 75.
Bill’s autobiography is a must read, fascinating and intellectual. Bill is a true maverick who always followed his muse, and it should never be underestimated what a feat it has been to sustain such a long career as a solo jazz artist.
I agree and I recommend that book to anybody who is interested about what it’s like to be musician specially during the 70s and 80s and 90s and even the 1960s regardless of whether you know who Bill is or not, he’s just a great storyteller. I just wish there is an audiobook version of it because I would gladly buy it again so I can listen to it.
He spoke very kindly about Roy Harper in his book. What he said about Gong I can't remember but that was a couple of strange drum stool choices he made back in the mid-70's
Man these guys are two of my favourite drummers.
WOW..Vinnie I was your 'drum roadie' and lighting guy on Tom Scott tour in '79.
The year after that tour, as the house guy at the Roxy theatre, Bill instructed me to light Robert on the start of the Discapline tour !
Woaw, any Vinnie story of that time?
I am BLOWN AWAY by this discussion. Both Vinnie and Bill are long-time heroes of mine, and I enjoy their music thoroughly, but nothing could have prepared me for the depth of this discussion going so quickly. Some of the most profound reflections on the state of art and culture in today's world that you could find anywhere. I am really impressed.
When I was a budding teenage drummer, Bill on Yes's Close To The Edge, and Vinnie on Zappa's Joe's Garage were must-listens.
Wow, two of my favorite drummers having a great conversation! Thanks
Vinnie and Bill!✌️
I saw Bill play with Yes in 1969 at the National Boxing Stadium in Dublin on the same bill with The Nice. I was 16 yrs old. Bill’s drumming ability was apparent to everyone and what a great band. He doesn’t look much different now🇮🇪
The duo recordings with Bill and Patrick Moraz are brilliant as well. Best wishes to you both.
Saw Bill two times, with ABWH in Quebec, 1989 and with Earthworks in Montreal.
To me, he is the greatest... ♥
His late 70's solo albums are a must have for Fusion fans.
don't tell Yes fans that Bill was the one who actually kept "progressing".. He's the one that did and those 70's fusion albums are the top shelf of that style.
One Of A Kind..... oh my.... that album is one of the best ever made!
"Feels good to me" was one of my favorites.
This is a FANTASTIC interview!! 2 of my heroes still inspiring us with their wisdom..
The way Bruford phrases, always beautiful always eludes me.
Saw Bill with Genesis in 76 in London and with the Yes Union tour. I have all his albums, including a real beauty with Ralph Towner. His autobiography is excellent.
Wow…London 76, hammersmith Odeon yes? I saw the same tour albeit performed a few weeks later in Hamburg! The band , the moment was inspired, on fire and live changing for the better.
Still my favourite drummer after 45 years . Always inventive and interested in finding new ways to play.
I'm going to defend Vinnie here.... as an interviewer. This is really a conversation and an incredible one. To all the naysayers here who have suggested that Bill should do most of the talking, I disagree 100%. The reason is that Vinnie is also at a very high level of proficiency on the shared instrument (drums) and most so called "interviewers" are not and cannot possibly hold ground in such a conversation with someone as accomplished and articulate as Bill Bruford. This is a real blessing certainly for musicians but also potentially motivating for the next generation of musicians who are actually interested in music that is AUTHENTIC! This word "authentic" really needs to be in the discussion because ever since the first "AI" intervention (drum machines) entered the musical landscape, authenticity has been up for debate, questioned, and should be interrogated justifiably. The age of analog tape machines seems to focus wrongly upon analog vs digital (sound quality etc).. but the real thing at stake here since the move toward computer manipulation (pro tools etc or DAWS) is the PROCESS! The way of doing things in the past has verifiable and objective validity. These two wonderful musicians grew up in a time where authenticity was a given and wasn't in question. If you heard it.. it was played.. whether tracked, punched or even overdubbed. It still HAD TO BE performed. This is where people are missing the mark and not seeing the towering trees as they stare at the path (or their phones) as they enter the forest.
Thanks guys!
You speak truth and wisdom, kind Sir.
An interviewer whose questions are longer than the answers really needs to think about a career change.
I'm SO happy to find Vinnie's channel, AND to hear these 2 world-class drummers bounce impressions off each other. Thank you!❤
@@exitthelemming145 It's Vinnie's channel.. if you don't like it.. listen to some other channel where the questions are short, concise and probably less interesting.
Brilliant comment, Sir!
What a great interview especially the 2nd half. It was like these two were sitting chatting out on the patio somewhere.
not even 60 seconds into this video and I'm already STUNNED by this interview! Thank you Vinnie Colaiuta! (Kinda young! Kinda wow!)
The first 60 seconds is nothing but someone trying to formulate a question - very badly. I turned this off after 5 minutes. Interviewer is abysmal.
@@robinwatson4282
"Some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe" - Lex Luthor
(the world is built on differing opinions. Enjoy!)
@@robinwatson4282 What you're missing is this: Vinnie is a drummer, not an interviewer. As such, Bill is actually drawn in and interested, Bill is not just going through the motions but knows he's talking to a peer. You missed out, consider trying it again knowing that Vinnie is an exceptionally skilled drummer with a list of credits nearly as good as Bill's, but as a studio guy, Zappa sideman etc.
I was extremely fortunate to see Yes on tour for “Fragile”. What a brilliant group of musicians.
Wow, what a fantastic conversation
Vinnie and Bill, this is awesome!
This is a wonderful and inspired conversation between the masters of their craft. I love the back and forth, and I am the fly on the wall. Thank you, Vinnie.
What a pleasure!! Two Giants of the drums! 🛠
What a surprise to have the great Vinnie Channel ! This will be in a capsule (YT) of the greatness of musicians that wood shed and played great music. Bruford, Vinnie Colaiuta.
Inspired by their humility and talent
I am very lucky to be in Japan where there are hundreds of tiny clubs where live groups still play. I play drums myself so I can join a jam session pretty much anytime I want. Such an amazing pair Vinnie and Bill. Wow. Thank you Vinnie for putting this on!
I became a decent drummer who got a job at a studio where there were samplers. Clients demanded best sound possible, so, studio is like ‘some assembly required’ in order to achieve a specific sound. I love live drumming more than anything but for me, the studio from a writers perspective is a lab, for making interesting sound. I definitely understand Vinnie being concerned about his talent going to waste, so the answer, might be, Vinnie writes his one tunes and exclusively records them live, and EVERYONE I know will want to hear those records! And Bill, your solo on My Heart Declares a Holiday is so transcendent!!!! I could listen to that all day
I saw Bill Bruford with King Crimson at the Stanley Warner Theater in Pittsburgh back in 1974 in a huge theater, then again, in a more intimate 'nightclub' setting with his Earthworks. I actually got to meet him with the latter and still appreciate him all these years later. As mentioned, he still looks really good! Nice going Mr. Bruford!
Two of my absolute favorite drummers talking shop for an hour. Thanks guys. Good to hear you're back enjoying playing for yourself Bill. I always thought your autobiography was one of the saddest books I've read. Watching an artist admit to the world he no longer had anything more to say to us was heartbreaking. I'm so glad you've found your voice in music again.
Love Bill and his sound, his ethos, his voice and, when reading his autobiography - his humbleness when talking about his time as a young gun for hire in Genesis. He is a singular talent and just shines through in everything he does. Seen him a few times now and each performance was exceptional. thanks brother.
I was extremely happy to see this interview come through my feed. Unfortunately, three minutes in and I'm completely frustrated (as I'm sure so was Bill) that the interviewer TALKED non-stop.
Yes, it took a while for Bill to get a word in edge ways but then it became more of a conversation (than interview).
Totally agree!
@@johnnyb8250 I don't care who the interviewer is. If Bill Bruford were to interview someone, I'd be just as perturbed. If you invite someone on to ask them questions and all you do is talk about yourself, that is rude. Get real.
Mm, see, I didn’t really see that dynamic. Initially, I thought Vinnie may have been a little overawed and nervous. There’s also the cultural difference between the two. Bruford is kind of in a league of his own and I would think that Vinnie, (who is also in a league of his own) and both have IMHO “precision and timing and taste”. It is since I’ve gotten much older that I can really appreciate them both. It was the first few bars of Sting’s “If I Ever Lose My Faith in You”… and the immediate question was “Who is that drummer!?” I didn’t appreciate Bill’s talent until King Crimson and then I went back to Yes and realised how good he was then.
As a side comment, the current drummer with “Beat” is an excellent drummer, but, I’ve gone back and listened to Bruford doing KC and, well, there’s no comparison. He is simply monstrous!
I’m a huge fan of both these consummate players.
Great interview...nice to hear from Bill again, I hope he makes more of these appearances again in the future.
Two greats who have forgotten more than I ever knew in the first place. Thanks.
Such a Blessing to see you both give back with all your music and now in your own words ! Thank you so much and God Bless you both 🥁
Vinnie... let Bill talk... and balance volumes...
I agree. Vinnie did way too much talking. As Bill Bruford is my favorite drummer, it's him that I wanted to hear talking most of the time.
it was a marvellous conversation which feels like abruptly ending because of the 1 hour mark.. we need more!! :)
Great talk with substantial insights and thoughts. Thank you for sharing this with us 🙏
Thank you Vinnie and Bill for your "deep" wisdom around music and art and entertainment and commerce etc...
Vinnie!!!!!! I am a professional drummer who has been heavily influenced by you and Bill. I absolutely loved this interview because it's beyond educational listening to 2 iconic drummers having an honest and pragmatic conversation. 🙏
Thanks for launching your channel! This interview was very important and insightful, looking forward to many more. love you Vinnie!
I really enjoyed this discussion. I learned a lot about two great drummers that I really admire as artists and performers.
This new format is great…….
fascinating conversation. I really love hearing you guy's perspective. As someone who has had to survive as a drummer in the age of internet basically my whole life, I really loved the topics of this conversation.
This interview is pure gold. Thank you gentlemen.
Wow. My favorite drummer interviewing one my childhood drum heroes. Thanks for doing this.
I LOVE Bill Bruford, one of my all time favorite drummers, saw him play with King Crimson and Earthworks, great stuff!
Love Bill, nice man . great player and yes buy his book it is excellent
I didn't know you were here, Vinnie. Thanks to you and Bill for a well-spent hour (and decades of meaningful music).
Wow! 2 of my favourite drummers! All we needed was Ringo to complete the trio!
Fantastic guys thankyou
Great conversation
Next guest could be Louis Cole if I may suggest
Ooooouuu yeah
I’ve been playing guitar for over 50 years, and only on a couple of occasions I realised I wasn’t doing it, just observing. I suspect these guy’s are blessed more often than me.
Thank you for this interview Vinnie,both are a great influenced on my drumming/music career.Both of you played with the greatest ALLAN HOLDSWORTH ❤❤❤ Best wishes for you guys from Los Angeles CA ❤.
Legends ❤
Love all of Bill's work. I just but the U.K. album (again). You can always tell right away that it's Bill on drums when you hear his music.
A great interview/chat from two legends. Fascinating to hear this 'behind the scenes philosophy'. Thank both, gents!
What a fantastic honest conversation between two masters. More of this please and thank you both!
Such a great conversation….thank you both !!!🎉
Wonderful Interview Vinnie! You really have a great thing going here with your podcast, please continue to do these. I especially like the conversation around the state of the music industry, of musicianship and the differences between art and entertainment. Just brilliant. Thank You!
Loved listening. “Luck is when preparation meets opportunity” - Neil Peart
Grazie!è stato bellissimo ascoltarvi!
Much as I have empathy for the decline in work for elite musicians, I do have to point out that the world changes over 50yrs and it's an assumption it's going to change so that you're world remains the same or improves with it. I remember the 80's when the UK coal industry was decimated with whole villages and small towns being abandoned to the change in economics of global coal production. Entire communities were gutted through no fault of theirs and after a lifetime of hard work, nevermind the violence used by the authorities who refused to lend any help to those affected instead treating them as the enemy,
In the meantime top level professional soccer players went from having to find work anywhere they could after their athletic careers finished - taxi drivers, builders etc - whereas now a similar level player can retire at the age of 25 a multi-millionaire. Pop stars rode & drove the fashions of the day, now they are global manufactured brands. Who would have predicted these changes in 1975? And funnily enough, you can't blame the internet or mobile phones for these changes!!!!
If it wasn't for teenage kids having disposable income for the first time ever in the late 50's & 60's, pop music wouldn't exist at all - turns out Bill & Vinnie would done something completely different with themselves (brilliantly probably....). As such it looks like similarly talented people will have to pursue the patronage of rich benefactors, corporate sponsors or the State to fulfil their abilities in the future, otherwise it's making oneself into a brand to be survive.
Anyway, I'm a massive Crimson fan - Indiscipline is one of the all time greats - and Joe's Garage is my fave Zappa album so both these guys have entertained me enormously for decades for which I am most grateful. Thanks & good luck!
(apologies for the essay, but it is an hour long podcast, so, y'know...)
Two legends of the art of drumming, thanks Vinnie🙏🏼✌🏼
Man, what an extraordinary interview!!! Thanks Vinnie! Thanks Bill!! Hello from Brazil!
A conversation between two great drummers with tremendous experience who have invested so much of themselves in their music over the years.
Listening to the dialog about art and entertainment, i couldnt help but think about the very elusive art of preaching and how difficult it is to define--how many vastly different and personal, even idiosyncratic, ways there are to be good at it--and how personal listening to and witnessing it is, too (how different people may be trying to get something different out of it, or be attracted to some very different facet of it that may be trivial to someone else).
There are some things that are very profound and important to us, and personal, that are very hard to define beyond simply being experienced. Music has that kind of pull and power, and i get the sense that--because of the earnestness with which both Bill & Vinny have approached music and drumming and playing with others--that there is a kind of hunger to be a part of something and produce something special that satisfies something in our humanity, that maybe only a similarly hungry person would uncover
Thank you, Vinnie! So awesome that you’re bringing this out for all to hear! More guys of your stature need to do the same!
The day I heard Yes’ « Fragile », my whole life changed forever. From the very first snare hit : Bruford just pulled me to jazz. Mic piercing sound, Swing
Also... another note is I would absolutely LOVE to be performing in actual venues more with others, more than only recording and posting content. The problem is, almost none of the available venues in NYC (and basically everywhere else) are worth putting in the effort for. Nearly none of them have regular crowds and expect you to not only perform, they also expect you organize and promote the entire event, including securing opening acts. Many of them even want cash deposits from the bands to perform to cover the cost of THEIR employees. They generally provide nothing but a stage and a sound guy (usually a pretty bad one at that). I survive by teaching and creating content and getting small sponsorships and gear reviews. I refuse to stop making creative content though, and I also refused to juggle chainsaws. This is made me less 'big' than other creators doing similar things as me, but I don't care. I need to create things that I am personally interested in, not doing the world's fastest drum solo while skydiving. :p
What a great interview! Thanks for sharing this! Few people speak more directly or more articulately than Dr. Bruford. What a career.
Thank you so much, Vinnie. Great stuff. 👍😎
So many good points. Bill Please play again!
Yup, the "look at me see what i'm doing" type musicians have taken over, You're the man Vinnie, great interview.
This is priceless. I feel like I'm being allowed into the green room where the real conversations take place (although I would not really know!). Thanks Vinnie!
Thank you Vinny and Bill... Right on the money.
Two legends. Love this conversation.
This is a great conversation on politics, economics and philosophy rather than drums. Fantastic.
I should realy be ashamed of myself for not realy following Mr Bruford's career . I am a drummer and music lover of all styles. Thank You Vinnie for creating this chance to hear his perspective.
His feel is so original! The compositions too, brilliant guy. You are up for a treat.
This is wonderful, thank you Vinnie 🙏
OK! Now that I've watched/listened to the whole episode... WOW! I'm even MORE amazed at having these two musicians in the same place at the same time talking about the same thing! I've always held the belief that the one drummer I would have loved to see play with FZ would have been Bill Bruford. I've seen a number of different interviews were FZ said things to the effect that he was looking for drummers who didn't just 'hit' drums in a sequence... he wanted to replace parts of the drum kit with different sounding things: bells, horns, random sounding things. All of it 'played' like drums but not 'sound' like drums. Bruford DID THAT! He was one of the first drummers that I can think of who abandoned the sound palette of drums tuned down from left to right and added those kooky Simmons pads to created something that sounded really unique! And then by the time the late 80's / early 90's came around he wasn't even playing those triggers exclusively rhythmically, he played them melodically!
Then you look at BB's career and see all the covert intersections with the FZ Academy: he leaves UK and who replaces him? Terry Bozzio! He rejoins King Crimson and who is there at the front of the stage? Monsieur Belew! Maybe it is dementia setting in but it just seems like the universe was always pointing in that direction but somehow 'things' conspired to keep the ball from going through the goal posts.
And by no means is anything I've said here meant to be disparaging to Vinnie Colaiuta (he's NOT just a 'boom/bash/boom boom/bash" drummer (laughing). According to people who know one of the best sight readers ever to sight or read!
two drummers just kicking it out. love ya vinnie, bill is so laid back.
Two top Drummers in the world 🌎 Thank you Vinnie
SO cool! Two of the best drummers I've ever had the opportunity to see live just talking drums!!! Thanks Vinnie!!
I saw Bill Bruford play with YES one day (actually 3 times) (and King Crimson), so satisfied I saw him play...
Two outstanding guys❤
I think you guys are hitting on one thing that has been a concern of mine for quite a long time now and that is the celebration of mediocrity! When everyone is celebrated and told they are special it's really hard to recognize when you're in the presence of greatness. I have so much respect for both of you and your contributions to music. I will always prefer the "feel" that can only be captured by guys in a room. Thank you for the interview Vinnie! ✌️&💙
… or, like Oscar Wilde said, “when everybody is somebody, nobody is anybody” 😅
@@aeropilot4419 exactly!!✌️&💙
Thanks Vinnie and Bill for all the music.
Thank you Vinnie for this masterful interview, you and Bill have been my heroes for years and I loved watching this video. Greetings from Panama!!
I love this ,Vinnie.! Great job! what fun and Im a fan of Bill for sure!
Wonderful Vinnie, Bill TY!
Highly enjoyable, thank you, Bill & Vinnie. Some deep perspectives displayed here. Bravo.
Vinnie you are already a podcast legend. Please make more episodes
I saw Earthworks and they were great. Every once in a while I would remember this is the same guy that was in Yes and King Crimson but here we were on a golf course in San Diego enjoying a great Jazz band. Bravo to Bill for not making it all about him,and he easily could have.
Vinnie, you are absolutely right about losing feel at large venues. I saw you killing it with Allan at Park Elevator Company in Charlotte NC in '90, after the release of "Secrets". Small venue, fantastic show/sound and ambiance. Nothing like it since. I've chatted with Steve Hunt about this on occasion. 🔥
Vinnie, love this interview!
It’s always so great to hear you talk with folks like Bill who have influenced you. Both of you have influenced me… and I’m a guitarist.
Just gotta say thanks!!!
Wow! That are some great insights. This will be become my goto-video-podcast in the close future. Thank you so much for this!
Fantastic conversation, thank you ,gentlemen
Thank you, Vinnie! This is my first time watching your show. I am only @4:34 now, though there is one thing I noticed. Bill Bruford's facial expressions are the same after all these years!
Love this!
Bill looks the same as he did back in ‘72