I disagree with this list. Arkham origins should've at least been in the top 10. How is Brave and the Bold above Arkham Origins? Also Arkham City is number 1 to me with Arkham Asylum as number 2.
For sure, but Arkham City's the best in the series, not Arkham Asylum. Arkham City took everything about Asylum and improved and expanded it... how could it be worse?!
@@cabotgugler9329 agreed. Although Origins has less polished graphics, it desrves the top 3 spot because of its amazing boss fight, batman costume, story with the plot twist of black mask and combats(shock punch).
@@hanssprungfeld8487 A good solo? Superman Returns. Great feel and showcase of Superman's power & abilities. Also the skins and open world are awesome A good featured? LEGO Batman 2: DC Super-Heroes. Sadly this is the only LEGO game where Superman is properly *[TITLE CARD]* but still a great showing of the character and his power & abilities
That line about the Telltale series really cuts deep. Bruce Wayne is a hero that may succeed but never really wins. If you ever wanted to surmise Bruce's tortured psyche into a phrase, there it is. Brilliant.
My head hurt when you ranked Arkham city #5. It's the game were you truly feel like batman. More bosses, more dlc more everything. Arkham city would be one or 2.
Honestly Every single Arkham game is amazing and the Telltale games are great too... I cant rank Arkham games because they all have positives and negatives...
I didn't remember Jules voice, but I had left two youtube tabs open and just after reading your comment change to it and "I'm Jules from whatculture" is the first thing I heard
I'm happy to see Arkham Asylum as number one. I know many people rate Arkham City higher but for me Arkham Asylum's atmosphere can't be topped. It almost feels like a horror game compared to the other two in the series. Even that little intercom chime (that's in major key) for some reason sounds so creepy. Love it.
I think you have a good reason for having asylum number one but i value gameplay more than atmosphere and asylum doesn't hold up great compared to the other arkham games in gameplay wise
Well, that's usually the problem with sequels: the gameplay gets improved, the story does not. GTA San Andreas, Bioshock 2, Bayonetta 2, Prototype 2, Dishonored 2 and so on.
Would everyone rise in applause and gratitude for the efforts of Tiny Peter in the making of this video and the ungodly amount of hours that probably went into making it! And extra points for calling it the Mega Drive and not the Genesis!
@@ameerali-kr9mw I haven't played it and I might be way off, but honestly, the writing looks extremely stupid. It looks like pulled a "Ocelot in MGSV" with the Joker.
Knight is terrible. I hated so much of it. The batmobile reliance really killed it. The riddlers greatest challenge is a racing circuit. Origins is on par with knight. Origins has much better bosses and doesn’t strap you to a car all the time
@@johnnylasagna228 It did away the metroidvania level design for an open world. Personally, I find the labyrinthian interlocking level design much more satisfying, in large part because it lends itself for better pacing. Sure, the open world is also fun, in a different way, and City also does a lot of other stuff, like the combat and the third act, a lot better than Asylum, but to say that it does everything better than Asylum I think is not necessarily true.
Message from Alfred: Sirs and Madams, I fear that Batman: Vengeance cannot possibly be placed at Number 8 until Master Bruce completes all tutorials. Ta!
@@princeblackelf4265 I found the graphics in arkham origins looked way better than vengeance. I find the graphics in vengeance have not aged well at all especially with other PS2 games looking way better. Also the combat was better in arkham origins vengeance was pretty stiff with the combat. In arkham origins you don't need to cuff enemies one thing that sucked about vengeance was the fact that you needed to cuff enemies after taking them down otherwise you needed to fight them again, that is unbelievably annoying this was the same problem with Dark tomorrow. I was fine with webbing enemies after taking them down in ultimate spider-man cause it wasn't hard to do at all. It's tough to cuff enemies in vengeance when your surrounded by other enemies who are punching you and you can run out of cuffs to that is just stupid. One more thing I actually beat arkham origins but for the life of me I couldn't beat vengeance. I got up to the Mr.freeze boss fight and that was it.
I've been playing batman games all my life, starting with the 1989 movie based game. This list is understandable. I think they wanted to be controversial. But I honestly understand the sheer importance of Arkham Asylum. It opened the doors to the greatest batman game of all time IMO- Arkham City.
I think they wanted to brake the games up. In reality the Arkham games will be 1 to 4 followed by bat man nes and the Batman and Robin adventures SNES games. That would be to predictable.
*ALMOST NOBODY...* Watched the intro and carefully listened to HOW the list was created. Older video I know, but since people are still watching it please don't comment if you didn't at least watch the full intro. The rankings attempt to account for how they fared AT TIME OF RELEASE and are not meant to stack up to each other as if they had all been released the same year. But since people didn't pay attention to that we get all these "WTF? Why aren't all the Arkham games at the top?"
Nick C Too predictable. There are many good games in the series, but sadly there are too many detractors for this list to ever be fair. Besides, plenty of lists exist.
@@dumbledoreous3080 sonic 1, 2, cd, 3 and knuckles, adventure 1 and 2, heroes, unleashed, advance 1-3, rush, riders, sega all star racing, team sonic racing, black knight, colors, generations, lost world, mania, mania plus, forces etc.
@Lucas R. Alves nope not really. Forces maybe but Unleashed has great graphics, a fun story, amazing music and all around fun levels. The werehog is overhated. Adventure 1 and 2 have aged fine I don't know why this misconception started
@Lucas R. Alves bruh, that's an opinion, for example: just because you think SA1 n 2 are clunky etc, doesn't mean that's the correct opinion everyone should follow. As a sonic fan myself, it gets a bit annoying hearing people act like there opinion that a certain game is bad is the only and right opinion. :p, anyways.... Ima just respect your opinion n leave.
I believe they use other metrics than just their own opinion of each game. Isn't that also the one that was stated to be a competent game but not really a game that depicts Batman well?
I can see how nostalgia and faithfulness landed the SNES Batman & Robin at #3. It's really ambitious for its time, looks great, and rewards fans of the TV series (especially in Riddler's stage. But there were many points throughout that felt like difficulty walls (Two-Face's driving stage, swinging over Poison Ivy's spike pit, the jump to the blimp, etc.) or outright softlocks (Scarecrow's stage). I kind of expected it to be lower on the list.
Disappointed to see Batman: The Movie so low. It really was one of Ocean's best games back when it launched. To be fair though, the CPC version was grim. The C64 and Amiga versions were good and pretty faithful to the movie.
Dude....really? The Batmobile sections are so horrible, Said Arkham Knights is one of the worst twists ever if only cause everyone and their mom already knew who he was, and easily Scarecrow is the worst of the Villains from the trilogy. What Mastermind gives people a chance to evacuate the city first? That creates no tension cause everyone already got out. Also they really should have let Joker stay dead, he had no reason to be in that game.
@@TheInhumanBeatdown yeah the game has its faults but you got to appreciate how the combat and the stealth are the best the series has ever seen, I absolutely love Arkham knight but I will say the tank battles were awful and most of the boss fights were disappointing. That being said I think the predator gameplay is the best in the series.
@@TheInhumanBeatdown This is old but eh whatever. Arkham knight get’s way too much unneeded hate and it makes people act as if it’s a bad game. The batmobile got stale i agree but it was still a fun inclusion and a nice thing to have for traversal. The story overall was good, jason was easy as hell to know but otherwise it felt pretty conclusive. Finally for joker him being there wasn’t needed but it added alot and expanded upon how batman thought of joker after the death in city.
To be fair Batman The Caped Crusader was probably the best computer tv tie in of the late 80s as it perfectly matched up to the Adam West show. Most Ocean software gamers were pretty good at their time and it’s a bit unfair to rank them so badly considering what they were up against on computers at the time
Maybe better than Arkham Origins, if that much. But all Rocksteady entries are far superior. Now, if they called it "Bruce, the Telltale series", I would have to concede. Because it really was the best Bruce Wayne game.
Batman Begins That film has pretty much killed any hopes of another Bruce Wayne Batman origin story for being pretty much flawless and starting a beloved trilogy and leading into one of the best loved films of all time in The Dark Knight The reason this is my favourite above The Dark Knight is simply because it is somewhat light and fun compared to it's sequels, making for easy viewing to pass away an evening in a more relaxed manner
@@adambamford5894 Sure, but the combat, and traversal in Knight is phenomenal. If I want good bosses I play City or Origin, for a good story I play Asylum or City, but for gameplay alone: Knight is undeniably the best. Everything feels much smoother.
BrokenGod Ent. The gameplay is only good when you actually play as Batman himself, but 60% of the gameplay is in the tank. the tank stuff is fucking awful, they made this giant open world full of beautiful buildings to climb and glide onto, but then stick you in a giant bumper car and fight drones. They even made the riddler stuff over reliant on the bat mobile, (giant race tracks? wtf!)If the direction of the game was different, and focused more on the core gameplay elements of its predecessors it would have undeniably been the best game in the series. But instead we got a tank/car game disguised as a Batman game that has piss poor writing, lazy “plot twists”, no real boss battles, made by a studio that would rather be making any other game then a Batman game. It kind of sucked honestly
I really appreciate that you listed the SNES' The Adventures of Batman & Robin so high. A fantastic game that came during a time when Konami was one of the world's best developers. Criminally overlooked, but perhaps understandablly so; I remember this game being released the day after Christmas, 1994, and basically slipping under most people's radars in the process. I ended up getting this game from my grandfather rather than a 32X. Talk about dodging a bullet.
The Amiga version of Batman 1989 was fantastic and still stands up today; it's a shame you picked the Amstrad version, as the Amiga one would definitely be a lot higher on the list.
@DejaVoodooDoll Again Ocean made games that scored really highly. Platoon, Robocop and The Addams Family from memory got great reviews. Robocop especially for Spectrum was a massive success. Batman on the Amiga sold the computer.
@DejaVoodooDoll Games can be flawed but still fun. The most polished triple A titles end to be absolutely boring compared to more technically limited, more flawed games, the Arkham series being one example.
Batman Rise of Sun Tsu was my first batman game. It was very challenging but I did enjoy the game. The combat was very fun and each character had their own style. Also play with friends their was co op combat combos which looked really cool.
I go back and forth on Asylum and City. I definitely agree that the Metroid-esque level design in Asylum is overall more satisfying than the open-world City, but on the other hand, I do enjoy the third act of City more than the disappointing finale of Aslym. Those would be my top 2 Batman games, with the absolutely legendary NES game at third place.
Batman on the Gameboy is actually one of my guilty pleasures. And for a Gameboy game, the music was pretty awesome. The only problem I had with it were the boss fights. Only five of them, and three were vehicle battles in the Batwing levels. The other two were Jack Napier and the Joker. A bit disappointing, if you ask me.
Batman 1989 was great on the C64 and even better on the Amiga. And Batman Caped crusader was a fun little game. But most of the systems you listed were not consoles.
I've played Batman Forever on Sega Mega Drive back in 1996 with a friend, alot, and we had so much fun... and we're still friends. I don't think the narrator played all those games when they were released.
I will actually contest the placement of Batman Forever on the SNES. While the Fighting Game commands for special tools took getting use to for people who don't play those games, they were indeed special attacks meant to help you nuke bosses and you and your friend needed to pick 2 that fit the stages needs. It was also fun to play with a friend in the same way all those other "friend tester" games like Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers and New Super Mario Bros are like. But that's not the end of its charm though. First, there is a code to enter that givers infinite uses of all your special items if you want to go ham but more importantly there is an actual fighting game hidden in the Training mode where you and a friend pick between EVERY CHARACTER IN THE GAME, most highly unique in their moves sets and attack options making it one of the largest rostered fighting games ever made with access to their special moves in MK style glory.
Batman 86 does have another groundbreaking moment. Not only the FIRST Batman game, the ONLY Batman game on tape 😉 EDIT: I take that back, Batman: The Caped Crusader was also available on tape.
My friend says he loves your content, even though he thinks it’s a bit strange. He says that weirdness really brings out your true character. Keep it up.
#54 was is one of my favourite games of all time. Crucially the Amiga graphics were brilliant and the driving sections so very satisfying. Driving was 3rd person, seldom seen outside of arcades. Best game on the list. 54?
The Batman games Ive played rank 1. Batman Arkham City 2. Batman Arkham Knight 3. Batman Arkham Asylum 4. Lego Batman ( 2008 ) 5. Batman Arkham Origins
This has been said below already but... ARKHAM CITY 5TH?!?! That could well be in my top 5 games ever. Arkham Knight at 10 and Origins at 15 are also outrageous in my opinion.
Completely agree that Asylum is better than City. City expanded on everything in Asylum, except for the story flow. Asylum is tighter and the story flows so much better.
Came here to see if Brave and the Bold in Wii got some love, was not disappointed. Love that game and it feels like such a small number of people have even heard of it.
I reckon if I went back and played Origins now with the DLC and stuff I would love it but at the time of release I felt so betrayed that it just ended up being another Batman vs Joker story
@@theshadow4887 I agree, I mean I understand why everyone keeps mashing the games together as they look similar, but they really deserve to be called their own entries instead of just being called the same game with a different story.
I don’t understand the hate on Arkham Origins. His stated reasons don’t explain why it is the “black sheep of Arkham games”. The game play is the same and it has arguably the best story. They did an excellent job focusing the origins of the relationship between Batman and the Joker from both character’s perspectives. Also, this is the best portrayal of Bane I’ve ever seen in a video game with his transformation from being a physically intimidating presence that is also super intelligent to his slide into a drugged out mindless monster. 1-3 on this list should be Asylum, City, and Origins in any order. Asylum started it all. City opened the game up to a more open world (much more than Asylum). And Origins was the best story. Knight is 4 because while the Batmobile was a cool addition, the game play with it got tedious. No other Batman games deserve to be ranked above any of them.
Putting the telltale movie over city and not having the top spots between asylum and city is criminal. Saying the open world was too big for you but didn’t like Batman begins was too linear even though asylum is linear in a sense where you go from one building to another. Horrid
I actually like the rise of Sin Tsu as the multiplayer aspect was prettygood, and a hand a good selection of playable characters, with the unlocking of Batwoman
Thank you for including Batman: The Video Game 1989 for NES, that game was a true gem, I still remember playing it back in the day, it is fantastic to see it so close to the top.
I loved the Sunsoft NES Batman. I memorized every pixel of that game as a kid. Watching the footage here I can still tell what the player's missing with the jump timing. Glad it got the recognition it deserved here. It always baffled me they never continued in that vein, I know the game was a success. With Batman & Robin, I've never played either, but I thought the word back in the day was that the Mega Drive was the superior version, that the SNES version's gameplay was comprised somehow.
A lot of these games were pretty impressive at the time they released, though. It was a time when even smooth animation or 3D movement was something to be impressed by.
I understand that City built on Asylum in a number of ways. I'd even argue it's the better game. But Asylum will always be my favorite, largely due to sheer amazement I felt at the faithfulness to the character. Not even City can touch that level of nostalgia for me
Asylum does kinda have its own feel that's a little bit lost in the rest of the series. For me that doesn't quite make up for the disappointing boss battles which lose it my top spot, but it's still definitely up there, and for a first attempt it was bloody amazing.
Arkham City has serious objective flaws. I'm beyond tired of people heaping so much undeserved praise on the most relatively disappointing video game sequel since God of War 2. It expanded the core gameplay from AA well in most ways. However, the implementation of armored enemies in combat and predator was a goofy and artificial way to try to make players use automatic/loud takedowns. The titans of Arkham Asylum were simple yet viscerally satisfying enemies to fight. But in AC you just perma-stun them and mash square while Batman's head and shoulders embarrassingly clip into him. Not all proper boss fights were winners, either. Grundy was a pseudo boss fight puzzle reminiscent of the lamest parts of God of War 2, and the actual one-on-one part of the fight with Ra's was a wholly inferior version of the battle with Poison Ivy in AA. By far the shortest campaign of the four main games. Everything involving Catwoman was mediocre at best and came in strange intervals. But that absolutely horrendous story is what cripples it. The writing is like sub-par fan-fiction (if I ever read fan-fiction). Overtly nonsensical plot holes, laughably contrived events and cringe-inducingly juvenile dialogue throughout. This is the norm, not the exception. It's thematically bankrupt as it pretends to be epic and profound with (admittedly) stirring music. Look, every Arkham game has some contrivances, but they're nowhere near as bad nor as widespread as in AC. Just about every aspect of the main story can be meticulously pulled apart. It's not in any way comparable to Dini's fantastic contributions to Batman: The Animated Series and its feature films. This is not the Mask of the Phantasm of gaming. I have to say that some of the side missions like Zsasz's phone calls were actually much, much better written. Some of the major plot twists were embarrassingly self-spoiled. We could see that there was a healthy-looking Joker that gassed Batman, the real Joker coughing as he's filming Clayface Joker, and we could see Clayface Joker facing the mirror and seeing the sick Joker. I don't know how any person could be surprised by the end reveal (attempted one, anyway). I will say that the challenge mode would've been easily the best of the series, but the absolutely scummy practice of carving out DLC character and challenge maps that could've been on the disc on day one, then selling them back to gamers. Each of the four main Arkham games are guilty of this to some degree, but City is absolutely the worst offender. To top it all off, we had to stare at a purple-caped Batman for the entire game the first time through (there is a cheat code to use alternate skins, but that wasn't known until months after the game released). As a game, I definitely prefer Arkham City over Arkham Origins. But the Arkham City I played is nowhere near deserving the praise it gets. I honestly thought I had a spoof copy of the game after the first time I played it.
@@Great_Scott_ I agree with a great deal of that. The Open World, expanded to a full neighborhood of Gotham, feels far more hollow and false than the grounds of Arkham in the first game. This is a problem that plagues so many open world/city simulator games: far too them feel 10 miles wide and an inch deep as regards NPC interaction and gameplay repetition. That's one of the reasons I remain so impressed with GTAIV and GTAV: they're large maps that also feel distinctly alive, if that makes sense. Arkham City doesn't really accomplish that; and the criminal NPCs are, criminally, lacking in variation. The idea of a Prison City -- ala Escape From NY and No Man's Land -- sounds far more interesting and deranged than what this game actually provides.
Glad to see Asylum at No.1 - by far my favourite, totally agree at the more focused story and gameplay over what City did. Like, I enjoyed City but always felt Asylum had the edge and was more satisfying to play through.
How such a long list could be so well thought out is amazing. While I don't agree with every choice (NES is number 1 for me), the reasons you made for each entry are so well described, that I can fully understand why you made them.
yeah, but still amazed that it got 2nd place :> I'm sure there might be better looking games on nes, but at the time I was blown away by how beautiful well designed it looked at the time.
Yeah, I don't get it either. Better Combat, better Stealth, more playable characters, more villains, more stuff to do, a fun traversal system with Dive Bombing and even more. Arkham City should have been Number 1 in my book. But hey, different opinions I guess.
The most depressing part about Batman forever on SNES is that it plays almost identically to MK Mythologies, meaning the MK Mythologies devs saw it, and thought: "Fucking perfect!"
Putting Arkham Asylum over Arkham City is like putting The Legend of Zelda over Link to the Past. It's like putting Super Mario Bros 3, after the first one.
Origins COULD have been incredible if it only showed us how Batman came to become as awesome as he is, with a younger more careless Bruce. Like he's still trying to figure out what "batman" should be like. Maybe his gadgets are primitive and he has to resort to more "realistic" ways of solving complicated situations. But instead they just went with the "NO, HE'S ALWAYS BEEN AWESOOOOOOOOME" story.
YEAH THAT'S RIGHT, WE ACTUALLY DID IT. Which Batman game is your favourite, and why?
batman arkham shitty :^))
Archam city is better cause it is open world
I disagree with this list. Arkham origins should've at least been in the top 10. How is Brave and the Bold above Arkham Origins? Also Arkham City is number 1 to me with Arkham Asylum as number 2.
I saw the time stamp and nearly pissed myself. That's dedication. The end all be all list. Well done 👍🎉🎉🎉
I have to agree, and with one of the best easter eggs how could it not be my favorite
Arkham Origins at 15!
Arkham Knight at 10!
Arkham City at 5!
WTF!
For sure, but Arkham City's the best in the series, not Arkham Asylum. Arkham City took everything about Asylum and improved and expanded it... how could it be worse?!
80s Freak I’m not saying Asylum doesn’t deserve the #1 spot. I’m just saying the other Arkham games should be higher up on the list
@@cabotgugler9329 agreed. Although Origins has less polished graphics, it desrves the top 3 spot because of its amazing boss fight, batman costume, story with the plot twist of black mask and combats(shock punch).
Idiotic list
I would rank Origins far above Knight because they botched the implementation of the Batmobile and overused it.
My guy put telltale batman over arkham city
i think if telltale batman had arkham saga gameplay it would be pretty cool like if it was an alternate universe
That actually would be pretty cool
Ass Hole And what’s wrong with that?
The Shadow It’s barely a game
KeiFresh It’s an interactive movie. Close enough, and still entertaining, suspenseful, and surprising.
Spiderman: *has excellent games*
Batman: *has excellent games*
Superman: *goes in the corner and cries*
*Superman: *Had good games.* Not all of them are bad, just most are average to meh. There are actually a few good ones
Hulk has better video games than Superman tbh
**sad Green Lantern noises**
@@thenoirknight5729 name one good superman game
@@hanssprungfeld8487 A good solo? Superman Returns. Great feel and showcase of Superman's power & abilities. Also the skins and open world are awesome
A good featured? LEGO Batman 2: DC Super-Heroes. Sadly this is the only LEGO game where Superman is properly *[TITLE CARD]* but still a great showing of the character and his power & abilities
That line about the Telltale series really cuts deep. Bruce Wayne is a hero that may succeed but never really wins.
If you ever wanted to surmise Bruce's tortured psyche into a phrase, there it is. Brilliant.
"The music is amazing!"
*plays 1.27 seconds worth of music*
Are you suggesting copyright strike?
My head hurt when you ranked Arkham city #5. It's the game were you truly feel like batman. More bosses, more dlc more everything. Arkham city would be one or 2.
Agreed. Bit garbage putting the telltale series in front of it :/
Yeah the Telltale series is pretty bad
Arkham knight is better with the bat mobile
Honestly Every single Arkham game is amazing and the Telltale games are great too... I cant rank Arkham games because they all have positives and negatives...
Alexander Berki I think it’s worse because of that
I was half expecting him to say "I'm Jules from wattculture"
I didn't remember Jules voice, but I had left two youtube tabs open and just after reading your comment change to it and "I'm Jules from whatculture" is the first thing I heard
Daniel Szterenszos the lord works in mysterious ways...
@@joshmay2944 that almost went over my head, great joke. All of the likes i receive from this comment are now yours
There videos are so alike know that you mention it
Same
I still believe Arkham city should be number 1 but good video nonetheless
Solid Snake I would say Arkham asylum
Arkham origin in the top 3
I agree with you dude...Arkham city should definitely be #1 it was a master piece.
Me too
It was so good I played it like 5000 times when I was a kid
You missed one... the second Telltale Batman game, "Batman: The Enemy Within"
I assumed he covered that with the first Telltale game, seeing as Enemy Within was essentially more like DLC for that series.
@@ThePhantomSafetyPin I still think of it as a separate release as it is playable on its own.
@@johnc19891 you’re right. It’s basically “season 2” of telltale Batman, but each season is like a sequel.
They also missed the old Atari 2600 Batman, and Batman Dark Tomorrow for original XBox...
@@kurtpaulsen6579 Dark Tomorrow is quite literally the first game on the list…..
I'm happy to see Arkham Asylum as number one. I know many people rate Arkham City higher but for me Arkham Asylum's atmosphere can't be topped. It almost feels like a horror game compared to the other two in the series. Even that little intercom chime (that's in major key) for some reason sounds so creepy. Love it.
I think you have a good reason for having asylum number one but i value gameplay more than atmosphere and asylum doesn't hold up great compared to the other arkham games in gameplay wise
I like AA a lot as well, but i enjoyed Arkham Knight and Origins better
The Scarecrow encounters are still the best!
Well, that's usually the problem with sequels: the gameplay gets improved, the story does not. GTA San Andreas, Bioshock 2, Bayonetta 2, Prototype 2, Dishonored 2 and so on.
@@psychodrummer1567 Red Dead?
Would everyone rise in applause and gratitude for the efforts of Tiny Peter in the making of this video and the ungodly amount of hours that probably went into making it! And extra points for calling it the Mega Drive and not the Genesis!
Tiny Peeper bashed this out in one shot, all improv.
@@CraigMetalHead soloed it
Right on TP.
Genesis
Why would I clap for a crap list?
Arkham Origins is 15th? Are you insane?
And Knight is 10th?
None of the Arkham games (except Blackgate) should be any lower than 4th.
The Algerian can't believe they put that telltales games higher than Knight and City
@@ameerali-kr9mw I haven't played it and I might be way off, but honestly, the writing looks extremely stupid.
It looks like pulled a "Ocelot in MGSV" with the Joker.
Knight is terrible. I hated so much of it. The batmobile reliance really killed it. The riddlers greatest challenge is a racing circuit. Origins is on par with knight. Origins has much better bosses and doesn’t strap you to a car all the time
@@glennb6020 I actually enjoyed the Batmobile, as a car and the Riddler circuits.
The tank battles, however, not so much.
The Algerian yes but why the fuck would the riddler set you driving challenges...
Can’t wait for Peters pièce de résistance 8 part series ranking all the Star Wars games from worst to best.
Yes. Just yes
Yessssss
8 parts? Na mate. 1 8 hour video.
Tom Price Oh dear, that might take 4 hours.
WE NEED THIS
Talks about Asylum, shows clips from City like the prison walk and roaches 🙄
City was better, perhaps the best
FACTS. I thought I was the only one that caught that! Dudes are stupid. Lol
City is not better
@Richard HART it improved on everything except I believe Arkham asylum still had a better atmosphere.
C H E E S E S A N D W I C H I will say the asylum does give a spookier atmosphere but overall city just improved on what city setup
@@johnnylasagna228 It did away the metroidvania level design for an open world. Personally, I find the labyrinthian interlocking level design much more satisfying, in large part because it lends itself for better pacing. Sure, the open world is also fun, in a different way, and City also does a lot of other stuff, like the combat and the third act, a lot better than Asylum, but to say that it does everything better than Asylum I think is not necessarily true.
Are you tripping Batman Arkham city at 5 bro it’s one or two
Message from Alfred: Sirs and Madams, I fear that Batman: Vengeance cannot possibly be placed at Number 8 until Master Bruce completes all tutorials. Ta!
Arkham origins was far better than vengeance!
the bad rep that Origins gets is largely undeserved
@@princeblackelf4265 I found the graphics in arkham origins looked way better than vengeance. I find the graphics in vengeance have not aged well at all especially with other PS2 games looking way better. Also the combat was better in arkham origins vengeance was pretty stiff with the combat. In arkham origins you don't need to cuff enemies one thing that sucked about vengeance was the fact that you needed to cuff enemies after taking them down otherwise you needed to fight them again, that is unbelievably annoying this was the same problem with Dark tomorrow. I was fine with webbing enemies after taking them down in ultimate spider-man cause it wasn't hard to do at all. It's tough to cuff enemies in vengeance when your surrounded by other enemies who are punching you and you can run out of cuffs to that is just stupid. One more thing I actually beat arkham origins but for the life of me I couldn't beat vengeance. I got up to the Mr.freeze boss fight and that was it.
It's better than Knight as well.
I wouldn’t say far better I would put both top five but origins it better
@@jakeproven256 I skipped Arkham Origins Because of the glitches I've heard about.
If Batman Begins (PS2) isn't in the top 10, I will lose it.
Edit: *sigh*
Yeah what a joke I had to do hours of voice over work for that
@@thebatman4392 And these guys had hours of work ranking and puttin this video together
Dude didn't even mention the great Criterion developed Batmobile sections that were basically reskinned Burnout.
I have to admit it was one of the best batman games ever created
Along with Spider-Man 2 on ps2 begins was my childhood
I've been playing batman games all my life, starting with the 1989 movie based game. This list is understandable. I think they wanted to be controversial. But I honestly understand the sheer importance of Arkham Asylum. It opened the doors to the greatest batman game of all time IMO- Arkham City.
WRONG
@@MegaBizMan I think you misunderstand the concept of an opinion.
@@thathatguy1151 But he did manage the concept of "Troll"
I think they wanted to brake the games up. In reality the Arkham games will be 1 to 4 followed by bat man nes and the Batman and Robin adventures SNES games. That would be to predictable.
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Watched the intro and carefully listened to HOW the list was created. Older video I know, but since people are still watching it please don't comment if you didn't at least watch the full intro. The rankings attempt to account for how they fared AT TIME OF RELEASE and are not meant to stack up to each other as if they had all been released the same year. But since people didn't pay attention to that we get all these "WTF? Why aren't all the Arkham games at the top?"
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Suggestion: Every Sonic game ranked worst to best
You mean worst to worst except those 2 good ones? Seriously though, yes good idea for a list
Nick C Too predictable. There are many good games in the series, but sadly there are too many detractors for this list to ever be fair. Besides, plenty of lists exist.
@@dumbledoreous3080 sonic 1, 2, cd, 3 and knuckles, adventure 1 and 2, heroes, unleashed, advance 1-3, rush, riders, sega all star racing, team sonic racing, black knight, colors, generations, lost world, mania, mania plus, forces etc.
@Lucas R. Alves nope not really. Forces maybe but Unleashed has great graphics, a fun story, amazing music and all around fun levels. The werehog is overhated. Adventure 1 and 2 have aged fine I don't know why this misconception started
@Lucas R. Alves bruh, that's an opinion, for example: just because you think SA1 n 2 are clunky etc, doesn't mean that's the correct opinion everyone should follow. As a sonic fan myself, it gets a bit annoying hearing people act like there opinion that a certain game is bad is the only and right opinion. :p, anyways.... Ima just respect your opinion n leave.
Batman:The Animated Series (GB) - talk about how basically competent it is, subsequently rank dozens of incompetent games higher.
I believe they use other metrics than just their own opinion of each game.
Isn't that also the one that was stated to be a competent game but not really a game that depicts Batman well?
I can see how nostalgia and faithfulness landed the SNES Batman & Robin at #3. It's really ambitious for its time, looks great, and rewards fans of the TV series (especially in Riddler's stage. But there were many points throughout that felt like difficulty walls (Two-Face's driving stage, swinging over Poison Ivy's spike pit, the jump to the blimp, etc.) or outright softlocks (Scarecrow's stage). I kind of expected it to be lower on the list.
Disappointed to see Batman: The Movie so low. It really was one of Ocean's best games back when it launched. To be fair though, the CPC version was grim. The C64 and Amiga versions were good and pretty faithful to the movie.
I also loved this game. More on Amiga . becours of the driving and flying level
I disagree fundamentally on this list but I appreciate your hard work on sir I salute you!!!
1. cheers to you for this video. Get some rest.2. You have to rank the Star Wars games next.3. Arkham City needs to be Number 1.
I think you guys missed Batman: The Enemy Within
I assumed they bundled both together myself.
Batman the telll tale series is the same
@@derp-7274 i don't buy that since the Megadrive and Mega CD version of the same Batman Returns game get their own spots
I agree. Enemy Within was fantastic. Troy Baker & Anthony Ingruber were perfect choices.
Yeah i was gonna say because IMO
The second season was miles better than the 1st
I thought Arkham Knight was one of the best games I’ve ever played
Dude....really? The Batmobile sections are so horrible, Said Arkham Knights is one of the worst twists ever if only cause everyone and their mom already knew who he was, and easily Scarecrow is the worst of the Villains from the trilogy. What Mastermind gives people a chance to evacuate the city first? That creates no tension cause everyone already got out. Also they really should have let Joker stay dead, he had no reason to be in that game.
@@TheInhumanBeatdown yeah the game has its faults but you got to appreciate how the combat and the stealth are the best the series has ever seen, I absolutely love Arkham knight but I will say the tank battles were awful and most of the boss fights were disappointing. That being said I think the predator gameplay is the best in the series.
@@TheInhumanBeatdown This is old but eh whatever. Arkham knight get’s way too much unneeded hate and it makes people act as if it’s a bad game. The batmobile got stale i agree but it was still a fun inclusion and a nice thing to have for traversal. The story overall was good, jason was easy as hell to know but otherwise it felt pretty conclusive. Finally for joker him being there wasn’t needed but it added alot and expanded upon how batman thought of joker after the death in city.
To be fair Batman The Caped Crusader was probably the best computer tv tie in of the late 80s as it perfectly matched up to the Adam West show. Most Ocean software gamers were pretty good at their time and it’s a bit unfair to rank them so badly considering what they were up against on computers at the time
TellTale Batman over any of the Arkham games is bs
KeiFresh I played the whole telltale game and it’s boring as fuck
Swezed & zNightmare69 no it’s not, not at all.
Russian Foxy The pirate fox You’ve never even played the second season, have you?
Your silence only confirms my suspicions.
@The Shadow I've played all the seasons
Maybe better than Arkham Origins, if that much. But all Rocksteady entries are far superior. Now, if they called it "Bruce, the Telltale series", I would have to concede. Because it really was the best Bruce Wayne game.
Batman Begins
That film has pretty much killed any hopes of another Bruce Wayne Batman origin story for being pretty much flawless and starting a beloved trilogy and leading into one of the best loved films of all time in The Dark Knight
The reason this is my favourite above The Dark Knight is simply because it is somewhat light and fun compared to it's sequels, making for easy viewing to pass away an evening in a more relaxed manner
"What is the point of all those pushups if you can't even lift a bloddy log." Michael Caine was amazing as Alfred in this movie especially
I actually enjoyed arkham origins more than arkham knight
Over reliance on batmobile and lack of boss fights ruined it for me.
@@adambamford5894 Sure, but the combat, and traversal in Knight is phenomenal. If I want good bosses I play City or Origin, for a good story I play Asylum or City, but for gameplay alone: Knight is undeniably the best. Everything feels much smoother.
BrokenGod Ent. True, hopefully the next one will be a good balance of the two. Keeping my fingers crossed for Gamescom
Yeah, I'd much rather play Origins any day than play Knight.
BrokenGod Ent. The gameplay is only good when you actually play as Batman himself, but 60% of the gameplay is in the tank. the tank stuff is fucking awful, they made this giant open world full of beautiful buildings to climb and glide onto, but then stick you in a giant bumper car and fight drones. They even made the riddler stuff over reliant on the bat mobile, (giant race tracks? wtf!)If the direction of the game was different, and focused more on the core gameplay elements of its predecessors it would have undeniably been the best game in the series. But instead we got a tank/car game disguised as a Batman game that has piss poor writing, lazy “plot twists”, no real boss battles, made by a studio that would rather be making any other game then a Batman game. It kind of sucked honestly
Man really just put Arkham City below Asylum and the Telltale series huh
I really appreciate that you listed the SNES' The Adventures of Batman & Robin so high. A fantastic game that came during a time when Konami was one of the world's best developers.
Criminally overlooked, but perhaps understandablly so; I remember this game being released the day after Christmas, 1994, and basically slipping under most people's radars in the process.
I ended up getting this game from my grandfather rather than a 32X. Talk about dodging a bullet.
The Amiga version of Batman 1989 was fantastic and still stands up today; it's a shame you picked the Amstrad version, as the Amiga one would definitely be a lot higher on the list.
@DejaVoodooDoll It sold like hotcakes and is seen as a great game. By your logic the Nes game is overrated garbage because you're a Nintendo fanboy.
@DejaVoodooDoll Well not our fault you can't appreciate good games. It sold terrifically well.
@DejaVoodooDoll Again Ocean made games that scored really highly. Platoon, Robocop and The Addams Family from memory got great reviews. Robocop especially for Spectrum was a massive success. Batman on the Amiga sold the computer.
DejaVoodooDoll It makes sense that the people who played it think its good since its a good game, You know...? Fun to play.
@DejaVoodooDoll Games can be flawed but still fun. The most polished triple A titles end to be absolutely boring compared to more technically limited, more flawed games, the Arkham series being one example.
Batman Rise of Sun Tsu was my first batman game. It was very challenging but I did enjoy the game. The combat was very fun and each character had their own style. Also play with friends their was co op combat combos which looked really cool.
I go back and forth on Asylum and City. I definitely agree that the Metroid-esque level design in Asylum is overall more satisfying than the open-world City, but on the other hand, I do enjoy the third act of City more than the disappointing finale of Aslym. Those would be my top 2 Batman games, with the absolutely legendary NES game at third place.
Batman Returns for SNES was outstanding.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 The Genesis beat 'em up was good too.
You picked Batman telltale games over Arkham City, what rubbish.
Batman on the Gameboy is actually one of my guilty pleasures. And for a Gameboy game, the music was pretty awesome. The only problem I had with it were the boss fights. Only five of them, and three were vehicle battles in the Batwing levels. The other two were Jack Napier and the Joker. A bit disappointing, if you ask me.
Batman 1989 was great on the C64 and even better on the Amiga.
And Batman Caped crusader was a fun little game. But most of the systems you listed were not consoles.
I’d have ranked Origins above Knight, but I agree with everything else.
Why did some games get the "various consoles" treatment, while others got their versions spread out amongst various entries on the countdown?
@matt I mean, I have no evidence you're wrong 😂
I've played Batman Forever on Sega Mega Drive back in 1996 with a friend, alot, and we had so much fun... and we're still friends. I don't think the narrator played all those games when they were released.
I will actually contest the placement of Batman Forever on the SNES. While the Fighting Game commands for special tools took getting use to for people who don't play those games, they were indeed special attacks meant to help you nuke bosses and you and your friend needed to pick 2 that fit the stages needs. It was also fun to play with a friend in the same way all those other "friend tester" games like Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers and New Super Mario Bros are like. But that's not the end of its charm though. First, there is a code to enter that givers infinite uses of all your special items if you want to go ham but more importantly there is an actual fighting game hidden in the Training mode where you and a friend pick between EVERY CHARACTER IN THE GAME, most highly unique in their moves sets and attack options making it one of the largest rostered fighting games ever made with access to their special moves in MK style glory.
Every James Bond game? Every Zelda game?
Every Spyro game? (Just to let Peter fully vent)
Every Simpsons game?
That's All...
I personally prefer Arkham Origins over Arkham Knight, Asylum is definitely the best. Also there's way too many versions of Batman Returns
I found a person who Dosent put city at number 1 👏 also the reliable on the batmoble made it seem like a tank shooter game and less like a batman game
@@derp-7274 city is #3 for me I think I'm the only one who prefers knight and origins over asylum and city I like all the arkham games tho
Tripping I say number 1 asylum 2 city 3 origin 4 lego dc 2
Now THIS is some serious work, you mad lads! Great job, TP, Phillip, and Peter! We really do appreciate your hard work
Batman 86 does have another groundbreaking moment. Not only the FIRST Batman game, the ONLY Batman game on tape 😉
EDIT: I take that back, Batman: The Caped Crusader was also available on tape.
I know this vid is a year old but
Comments be like
Why aren't the Arkham games together and 56, WOW!
19:20 - That's literally straight up a Mortal Kombat reskin and revamp.
I was thinking the same thing.
Helllll yes!!!!
Dark Tomorrow is the worst one!
I've been saying so for years!
Still think Batman & Robin's worse, though.
I felt sad for Tiny Peter to endure so many horrible titles... More please!
Batman: The Batman Adventures: Return of the Joker: Blackgate
My friend says he loves your content, even though he thinks it’s a bit strange. He says that weirdness really brings out your true character. Keep it up.
#54 was is one of my favourite games of all time. Crucially the Amiga graphics were brilliant and the driving sections so very satisfying. Driving was 3rd person, seldom seen outside of arcades. Best game on the list. 54?
Did anyone else do a double take at the video length when TP said “#56”?
I burst out laughing
Batman Returns on the Game Gear was awesome. Spent sooo many hours playing that game.
Batman dark tomorrow is good for one thing: nostalgia. This game is probably the cause of my rage issues
The only good thing about it is the designs, cutscenes and voices/voice acting. Everything else is just bad
The Batman games Ive played rank
1. Batman Arkham City
2. Batman Arkham Knight
3. Batman Arkham Asylum
4. Lego Batman ( 2008 )
5. Batman Arkham Origins
This has been said below already but... ARKHAM CITY 5TH?!?! That could well be in my top 5 games ever.
Arkham Knight at 10 and Origins at 15 are also outrageous in my opinion.
I won’t hear a bad word about the Amiga 500 Batman 1989 game.
Completely agree that Asylum is better than City. City expanded on everything in Asylum, except for the story flow. Asylum is tighter and the story flows so much better.
Nice to see Batman Vengeance get the respect it deserves 👀
1. Arkham City 2. Arkham Asylum 3. Arkham Knight 4. Arkham Origins 5. Telltale Batman. Games every Batman fan should try
1:07:02
"Both lashing out and bottling it up..."
Oh you. Must've been proud of that one. And rightfully so.
23:47 Simon Miller to TripleJump confirmed!
That's a solid Simon Miller impression you got there Peter.
The internet needed this list. Thanks TripleJump!
Me: Oh, this will be a nice one to watch
Also me: *gets to **2:25*
Guy in video: starting with number 56
Me: maybe later
"Hey you know that purple rain game we were doing , well the license fell through so stick batman in there and will call later it batman returns"
Came here to see if Brave and the Bold in Wii got some love, was not disappointed. Love that game and it feels like such a small number of people have even heard of it.
Arkham Asylum took me by surprise when I bought it. Really wasn't expecting it to be so good!
I reckon if I went back and played Origins now with the DLC and stuff I would love it but at the time of release I felt so betrayed that it just ended up being another Batman vs Joker story
What about Batman the Enemy Within? I loved the video but I was waiting for that one and it never showed
The Fake Reviewer Unfortunately, people make the common mistake of mashing it together with Batman Telltale.
The Shadow yeah, sucks because it’s a great story on its own too
@@theshadow4887 I agree, I mean I understand why everyone keeps mashing the games together as they look similar, but they really deserve to be called their own entries instead of just being called the same game with a different story.
I don’t understand the hate on Arkham Origins. His stated reasons don’t explain why it is the “black sheep of Arkham games”. The game play is the same and it has arguably the best story. They did an excellent job focusing the origins of the relationship between Batman and the Joker from both character’s perspectives. Also, this is the best portrayal of Bane I’ve ever seen in a video game with his transformation from being a physically intimidating presence that is also super intelligent to his slide into a drugged out mindless monster. 1-3 on this list should be Asylum, City, and Origins in any order. Asylum started it all. City opened the game up to a more open world (much more than Asylum). And Origins was the best story. Knight is 4 because while the Batmobile was a cool addition, the game play with it got tedious. No other Batman games deserve to be ranked above any of them.
Putting the telltale movie over city and not having the top spots between asylum and city is criminal. Saying the open world was too big for you but didn’t like Batman begins was too linear even though asylum is linear in a sense where you go from one building to another. Horrid
Whoa Ben was right...... and Batman Ninja
theres nothing like a cynical and monotone british man that can keep my attention for an hour
I actually like the rise of Sin Tsu as the multiplayer aspect was prettygood, and a hand a good selection of playable characters, with the unlocking of Batwoman
Thank you for including Batman: The Video Game 1989 for NES, that game was a true gem, I still remember playing it back in the day, it is fantastic to see it so close to the top.
I loved the Sunsoft NES Batman. I memorized every pixel of that game as a kid. Watching the footage here I can still tell what the player's missing with the jump timing. Glad it got the recognition it deserved here. It always baffled me they never continued in that vein, I know the game was a success. With Batman & Robin, I've never played either, but I thought the word back in the day was that the Mega Drive was the superior version, that the SNES version's gameplay was comprised somehow.
A lot of these games were pretty impressive at the time they released, though. It was a time when even smooth animation or 3D movement was something to be impressed by.
The amount of work to do this video.....
Damn
Kudos to you Sr.
Great video, have my subscription
I understand that City built on Asylum in a number of ways. I'd even argue it's the better game. But Asylum will always be my favorite, largely due to sheer amazement I felt at the faithfulness to the character. Not even City can touch that level of nostalgia for me
Asylum does kinda have its own feel that's a little bit lost in the rest of the series. For me that doesn't quite make up for the disappointing boss battles which lose it my top spot, but it's still definitely up there, and for a first attempt it was bloody amazing.
Arkham City has serious objective flaws. I'm beyond tired of people heaping so much undeserved praise on the most relatively disappointing video game sequel since God of War 2.
It expanded the core gameplay from AA well in most ways. However, the implementation of armored enemies in combat and predator was a goofy and artificial way to try to make players use automatic/loud takedowns. The titans of Arkham Asylum were simple yet viscerally satisfying enemies to fight. But in AC you just perma-stun them and mash square while Batman's head and shoulders embarrassingly clip into him. Not all proper boss fights were winners, either. Grundy was a pseudo boss fight puzzle reminiscent of the lamest parts of God of War 2, and the actual one-on-one part of the fight with Ra's was a wholly inferior version of the battle with Poison Ivy in AA. By far the shortest campaign of the four main games. Everything involving Catwoman was mediocre at best and came in strange intervals.
But that absolutely horrendous story is what cripples it. The writing is like sub-par fan-fiction (if I ever read fan-fiction). Overtly nonsensical plot holes, laughably contrived events and cringe-inducingly juvenile dialogue throughout. This is the norm, not the exception. It's thematically bankrupt as it pretends to be epic and profound with (admittedly) stirring music. Look, every Arkham game has some contrivances, but they're nowhere near as bad nor as widespread as in AC. Just about every aspect of the main story can be meticulously pulled apart. It's not in any way comparable to Dini's fantastic contributions to Batman: The Animated Series and its feature films. This is not the Mask of the Phantasm of gaming. I have to say that some of the side missions like Zsasz's phone calls were actually much, much better written.
Some of the major plot twists were embarrassingly self-spoiled. We could see that there was a healthy-looking Joker that gassed Batman, the real Joker coughing as he's filming Clayface Joker, and we could see Clayface Joker facing the mirror and seeing the sick Joker. I don't know how any person could be surprised by the end reveal (attempted one, anyway).
I will say that the challenge mode would've been easily the best of the series, but the absolutely scummy practice of carving out DLC character and challenge maps that could've been on the disc on day one, then selling them back to gamers. Each of the four main Arkham games are guilty of this to some degree, but City is absolutely the worst offender.
To top it all off, we had to stare at a purple-caped Batman for the entire game the first time through (there is a cheat code to use alternate skins, but that wasn't known until months after the game released).
As a game, I definitely prefer Arkham City over Arkham Origins. But the Arkham City I played is nowhere near deserving the praise it gets. I honestly thought I had a spoof copy of the game after the first time I played it.
@@Great_Scott_ literally no one cares to read all of this.. Lol
@@Great_Scott_ I agree with a great deal of that.
The Open World, expanded to a full neighborhood of Gotham, feels far more hollow and false than the grounds of Arkham in the first game.
This is a problem that plagues so many open world/city simulator games: far too them feel 10 miles wide and an inch deep as regards NPC interaction and gameplay repetition.
That's one of the reasons I remain so impressed with GTAIV and GTAV: they're large maps that also feel distinctly alive, if that makes sense.
Arkham City doesn't really accomplish that; and the criminal NPCs are, criminally, lacking in variation. The idea of a Prison City -- ala Escape From NY and No Man's Land -- sounds far more interesting and deranged than what this game actually provides.
" we're Batmen ...
Batmen in Tights we roam around the City looking for fights . "
I don't personally agree with every ranking on the list, but the presentation and humor of this video is legendary
Glad to see Asylum at No.1 - by far my favourite, totally agree at the more focused story and gameplay over what City did. Like, I enjoyed City but always felt Asylum had the edge and was more satisfying to play through.
How such a long list could be so well thought out is amazing. While I don't agree with every choice (NES is number 1 for me), the reasons you made for each entry are so well described, that I can fully understand why you made them.
yeah, but still amazed that it got 2nd place :> I'm sure there might be better looking games on nes, but at the time I was blown away by how beautiful well designed it looked at the time.
Arkham City only at number 5?? HUH!?
Yeah, I don't get it either. Better Combat, better Stealth, more playable characters, more villains, more stuff to do, a fun traversal system with Dive Bombing and even more. Arkham City should have been Number 1 in my book. But hey, different opinions I guess.
The most depressing part about Batman forever on SNES is that it plays almost identically to MK Mythologies, meaning the MK Mythologies devs saw it, and thought: "Fucking perfect!"
21:36 to 22:00 marks
"Sure no human being enjoys the source material"
*I slowly raised my hand up* I, I loved the source material
You enjoyed Clooney as Batman?
@@krashd honestly yes I do, he's not my personal favorite but I did enjoy Clooney as batman
Arkham City, and Orgins are my favorites
I swear to god if LEGO Batman isn’t #1 I’m gonna go Bane on your flimsy bat back
Brave and the bold for the wii was great
Numbers 1-4 should be the Batman: Arkham games in whatever order you want
Putting Arkham Asylum over Arkham City is like putting The Legend of Zelda over Link to the Past. It's like putting Super Mario Bros 3, after the first one.
Did they skip Batman: The Enemy Within?
Jarvis Reddick Yeah, people tend to mash that with Batman: The Telltale Series like they’re the same season or something...
@@theshadow4887 Season 2 was MILES ahead of Season 1 though...
YOUSAF12348 Preach, brother.
This video is how long? Well played!!
I only meant to watch a bit of this... i ended up watching the whole thing.
Origins COULD have been incredible if it only showed us how Batman came to become as awesome as he is, with a younger more careless Bruce. Like he's still trying to figure out what "batman" should be like. Maybe his gadgets are primitive and he has to resort to more "realistic" ways of solving complicated situations. But instead they just went with the "NO, HE'S ALWAYS BEEN AWESOOOOOOOOME" story.
I never wanted to play Arkham Knight because of the Joker cremation scene. Scared the shit outta me.