Second class after 9/11. I was the last guy left in the van before final qualification day. If you failed this final qual, you were washed out. Pucker factor was high. Shakira's "Hips don't lie" came on the radio and I blasted that thing. Got me in the zone. I will always remember that day. Thanks Shakira.
Great job, gentlemen! John - I love the fact that you can own it and maintain a good attitude. You set a great example for the rest of us. Bravo Zulu, friend!
What’s the definition of Low Ready? I thought you had to point at the ground about 5 yards out for low ready. It looks like you start pointing about 2 inches below the target.
@@ASPextra Not in 1992 when this qual came out. Back then low ready was the old "guard" position which was 45° to the ground regardless of target distance to avoid muzzling a subject. In the 2010's this evolved to the belt line so you had a shorter travel distance to contact but could still see the hands, albeit now muzzling the subject. There are different views on what's appropriate for both methods. What I find curious, however, is the Air Marshals were the ones who popularized the two handed center of chest (sternum) compressed high ready because of the airplane seat height, so I'm wondering why the article states "low ready" in the stages.
It's for Federal Air Marshals. They carry concealed on a plane. Agreed that it's a spicy qual for that, though. I'm glad they have to be this good, because missing on a crowded aircraft would not be ideal.
I believe the Air Marshal's target is based on the QIT 99 which has a "3" square brain box and a 4" by 6.25" center mass box. Connecting these boxes, the length of this "A" zone is just over 15" and represents the brain-spinal cord-heart/lung critical areas. Unless your windage is near perfect and you only string multiple shots in a straight line vertically, it's a pretty tight area to hit with 30 rounds from 7 yards. I don't expect a perfect score on this qual in my foreseeable future.
WARNING: Here is a little history of the Federal Air Marshal original tactical pistol course. The FAM TPC (Federal air marshal tactical pistol course) was required to pass the academy back in 2001. The student had 3 attempts towards the end of training or they were let go. The original firearm that was used was the Sig P229 chambered in .357 Sig. The course of fire that everyone does on these RUclips videos are normally incorrect. They always use the incorrect firearm, ammunition, holster and cover garment. Also on stage 3 the 6 round ‘ rhythm’ drill has a 3 second time but no one knows that you can not have more than 0.60 second spread between rounds. This was the stage I struggled with because I got all 6 rounds out in under 3 seconds but I had a spread of over 0.60 seconds between 1 of the rounds. I failed my first 2 attempts but passed on my 3rd and final attempt. Also what people don’t understand is if you failed on your 3rd attempt they had you pack your bags and you were let go so that adds a TON of stress knowing if you fail you were fired. Now the surprise: The FAM TPC (Federal air marshal tactical pistol course) is no longer required to graduate the FAM training. I felt this was a huge mistake back in 2002. I guess I was biased with the agencies decision to not use it for graduation because I passed the original TPC. So in reality when videos are done like this on RUclips it’s kind of for entertainment purposes due to the fact Air Marshals are no longer using this course of fire (test) due to the fact over 60% of students couldn’t pass it anyways. Now it gets worse. In an attempt to design another advanced test they changed it and called it the ATPC (Aircraft tactical pistol course). What’s interesting about this course of fire is there are aircraft seats and dummies. So when the buzzer (PAC-timer) goes off you would either shoot from the aircraft seat, or lean out in the isle and shoot, etc. Now here is the bad news: The ATPC test was originally supposed to be pass or fail but once again so many students were failing they just made it a participation only test. Again I was upset due to the fact the agency was ‘ dumbing down’ the standards just to fill seats. To the maker of this RUclips video; Your attempt was good. The Glock apparently is the new weapon the FAMs have now or are going to get them soon but the Glock was never used on the TPC. By you guys not utilizing the Sig P229 with .357 Sig, well you had a handicap. May I suggest you use a Sig P229 chambered in .357 Sig and give it another go. I wish I lived by your guys because I have not shot the FAM TPC in over 11 years.
What fun! This reminded me of my past(and ones to come).The nervousness of the range master doing math, even when you knew you were dialed in, is inescapable haha
I'm surprised at how heavy you've gotten after so much work, but I have too. I went from over 250 to almost 200 once I found out my weight would likely lead to my death within a few years if I didn't change. I fell off the wagon over the last year, but I've started my journey again. To me, it's a primary piece of what I think I need for my self-defense plan. I'm at about 225 again and hoping to hit 210 by the end of the year and get to 200 by early next year. My real goal is 180, but my current goal is 200 since I haven't seen that weight in many years. I know you can do it, too. It kinda sucks, but I don't want to leave my kids without their father.
They reason for the center “A” zone is to hit the spine. Remember they are there to take down hi jackers. They also want to mitigate numerous errant shots on an air craft. Original air Marshall’s were mostly SF troops.
As you say, all you can do is bring all the skills you possess to bear on the task at hand. Introduction of some unfamiliar times, scoring systems, and splits induces a little stress that isn't normally there with your standard and traditional timer and scoring. Case in point - on most days you would deliver that first round with no problem, something even a slightly different source of stress or familiarity elicits less than our best response.
Hey I got up to 300 lbs John. I got down to 190. Back up to 220 after bad habits and breaking a few bones from motorcycles. Looks like we could both be training more that a trigger finger. I started my weight loss around the same time as you. We are almost there my man time to focus and get there.
his low ready is still pointing at the belt line. low ready is around the knee area. The only thing about Neil's reload is that he's not reloading from the workspace, he's reaching too far with the magazine.
I don’t know how old this course is, but I recall one they used back in the. 90s that was pretty tough - multiple targets. I can’t remember the course of fire for that one and understood they’d changed their course when they expanded after. 9/11. Maybe this was the same one. I need to look and see if I still have that course of fire. Anyway, the old IDPA qualifier was based on their course. One thing is for certain, you both shot this course better than a lot of non shooting’ three-letters would the first time out - maybe several times out. Great video.
@@amo757 he also has what looks like some very good one box training courses for both rifle and handgun Not sure how I didn't subscribe to this channel before, but thanks for bringing it back to my attention I am definitely subscribe now
@@ASPextra Pointing straight ahead and taking shots straight ahead isn't a low ready despite posting a link to a video. When people have to post videos as a response instead of just responding it's an indicator that they're full of it.
I agree it's good to be honest with your shooting, hi qual shooting brings out the nerves, which is good. Imagine the nerves you have to overcome on a plane in a real situation, cover your ASP
What would the score have been with the Air Marshal target? John said it was narrow at 4.5" or so. I suspect it would not be a "pass", not that I'm in any way disparaging his shooting, which was excellent. If it is that narrow, that standard is beyond difficult
Need a refresher as to what is Low Ready. If you were shooting for certification you both would have been disqualified. You are not shooting from a low ready position.
Thanks, Low Ready as defined by many instructors in the industry is muzzle below the belt line. That’s what we did. As it turns out, none of us were shooting for a certification but if you’d like to post your video I’d be happy to watch it.
So many comments on low ready. It is meant to be a ready position. You are dropping the gun just below the eyeline so that you can asses without having to look through your sights. Aiming at the waistline or bottom of the target is how it's generally practiced. If you are dropping your gun to 45° you aren't ready for anything. I'd really like to see some videos of people commenting on this shooting the qual with their mistaken version of low ready.
I guess I misunderstand low ready. Never really asked what it means during qualifying. To me it means if I pulled the trigger while in low ready I would shoot the person in the kneecap. What I saw in this video is the difference between center mass and low abdomen. Not saying g anybody is wrong..just sayin.
It did seem there was a pause in the video waiting for low ready...which was eventually accepted. Now I have to look up low ready. I may possibly greatly improve my time.
Couldn’t see if you were accessing your reloads with the mags exposed or if they were covered by your shirt. When the mags are covered with my shirt that seems to really slow me down. Thanks for the video!
Unfortunately this is not the correct course of fire. FAMs use the standard FLETC PPC. The only difference is the FAMS requires a 255/300 where most other Fed Leo’s require 225/300. You must use the TRS 2 target as well.
Should explain the reasoning for their unique A zone. My immediate thought is it takes into account the interior of a plane where horizontal deviation is disastrous whereas vertical is more acceptable.
@@ASPextra I meant disastrous in that you have a high likelihood of striking an innocent passenger. Your margin for error is much wider vertically because as your rightly pointed out breaching the hull is a minor issue.
John, did you have two failures to lock back? This is a pretty spicy qual. Especially considering the qit 97 has a 4 inch wide scoring zone. These are the kind of standards all LEO's should be trained for.
My grip means I never, ever get a gun to lock to the rear unless I consciously adjust my grip to get it. My support hand is too high and I have big hands. Since reloads never happen in private citizen gunfights (but do in quals and in LE gunfights) I don't worry about it.
@@ASPextra I can completely level with that. I wear 2x gloves. It took a lot of work finding a gun and perfecting my grip so that the slide will actually lock back. I also tend to agree that reloads and backup guns are pretty much useless in Civilian involved DGU's. You were still pretty quick doing the slingshot but that's really gonna hold you back if you ever get serious about competing.
I do not carry a reload. If you carry a reload and do not carry less lethal, I would suggest reprioritizing. If you carry a reload and do not carry trauma medical equipment, I would suggest reprioritizing. If you can carry all that and carry a reload, rock on. You'll never ever ever use it in a gunfight, but if you want to carry a magic totem around that's fine by me.
@@ASPextra I carry less than lethal POM on my keychain and have my medical in my off body (backpack). I started putting more emphasis on my cardio and overall health lately rather than adding to my kit.
Are you using a phone app? Which is it? I was looking for a good shooting timer like a pocket pro, which are more expensive then I thought. I mean $100 doesn't buy as much ammo as it used to
@@bigbarrel6583 ended up finding two stand alone apps. IPSC Stot timer Splits That had good reviews. They seemed to work with just clapping. Might not work at a busy range. But I wanted something for some buddies to do qualification drills. With the money saved I might buy a range finder.
@@ASPextra In the article you linked to, it says you fail the whole thing if you miss any par time. From the article: "Each of the seven stages has a par time requirement, and regardless of the target score, if the par time is not made, the applicant fails. That immediate pass/fail aspect adds a severe level of stress, adding to the usefulness of the course for self-defense training."
Sounds fun but maybe counter productive amalfunction could ruin this sort of thing becuase someone is trying to beat a timer and not reacting to actual events occuring at these speeds better hope if your shooting reloads or even factory loads in some cases it was done right
PPC (Practical Pistol Course) is elementary next to the TPC (Tactical Pistol Course). The FAMs tried to institute the ATPC (Aircraft Tactical Pistol Course) in phase 2 but still not as difficult as the original FAM TPC.
that range looks like someones backyard the berm is not high at all compared to ours or even the ranges without have mountains cliffs or hills or atleast rubber shavings i think where i have been
but, but, but, but the low ready is .... Ok, I'm a little out of practice (though, not by much). I think it would take me multiple days to qual even IF I kept my sights on target. As for adding the LOW READY, I'd probably have to add in a couple more days. I would like to see Jerry M try this with his revolver and make us all look silly.
If you fail any time requirement for any stage you fail the qual. Period. For example, if you fail the time requirement for stage 1, just quit. You fail. I use 4 inch oval steel plates.
German police low ready is 45º because you dont point the gun at them, which needs legal reason. So there is a sense behind a more low ready than shown
@@TroutWest That's Neil Weidner, the guy in this video with John and father of the range monkey, and a hell of a shooter. That man would rather lose than be accused of cheating. Watch more carefully. I've never seen Neil come anything close to "cheating."
Wow. Active self protection guy always says to be prepared. I imagine you knew you were doing this qualification and you don’t carry a mag holster? You should be carrying one with you at all times period. I do conceal carry with an owb holster, so I also keep a mag in my left jacket pocket.
I’ve never seen a private citizen use any rounds from a second magazine in any capacity to win a gunfight ever. So it’s not something private citizens need to carry and I have other priorities.
@@ASPextra I saw at least on video of yours on RUclips that showed a reload, maybe more than one I thought. One in Brazil I believe, the guy was a competition shooter and there were multiple bad guys. I could be wrong about which one, but I believe that’s the one. Of course we see ones with cops and reloads a lot. That seems backwards, because I’d be less likely to stand my ground fighting a cop who has help on the way Vs and individual, but that is how it seems to happen.
Again, I've never seen a private citizen use ANY rounds from a second magazine in any capacity to win a gunfight ever.. You've have not seen one on this channel either.
@@ASPextra found one study where it did happen twice, I won’t count the time it was required to shoot an animal, lol. tacticalprofessor.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/tac-5-year-w-tables.pdf. I train every weekend with ex military some of whom where also police officers. They all insist I train on reloads ( also good for a bit of competition we have amongst each other) and carry a spare mag. Super rare that it would happen, but just better to be prepared in case in my mind.
That's not a study, that's reading NRA magazines. Those stories are self-reported, not verified. So I hear you, but that data is not reliable. Police officers and military have different mission than private citizens. It's not wrong to carry a reload, but not needed.
Quals should absolutely be run cold. This is about how you will perform on the worst day in your life (to the extent we can demonstrate this) so warming up would be an absolute cheat.
That’s actually a falsehood. You should never be cold if you do your dry practice in the morning. Also, cold performance is all over the map statistically. It can be your best or worst performance and that’s pretty well documented.
@@ASPextra dry fire is warming up? I’m sorry we have different definitions I misunderstood. Of course I support the idea that you should dry fire every day. I just mean to say I PERSONALLY don’t agree with shooting and then running a qual… but to each their own. My thinking is, most times a private citizen would enter a gunfight is not while they’re at the range. Love y’all, thanks for the lesson!!!
Again, though, what we see really often is that someone’s first shots of the day aren’t their worst. They’re just statistically within their best to worst. After a warm up they tend to move toward their average. So it gives a more consistent look at their trend in capability.
I know you guys pride yourself on your training, but all schools teach low ready pretty much the same muzzle at the foot of the target so you aren’t flagging something you don’t need to until you need to. You moved your muzzle maybe an inch. Not low ready.
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I would call that a high low ready.
Highest low ready ive ever seen
Honestly.... what sort of a line of sight low ready is that.
He tried a couple of times to get him to lower his high low ready, but I think that's just the way he does it.
You don't have to lower the gun very far to see over it. Try it out.
@@herknorth8691 Sure. Low ready is not just for seeing but for safety and to assess other threats as well in my world.
I like that you dug up these different pistol qual’s. Keep em comin thanks ASP
Second class after 9/11. I was the last guy left in the van before final qualification day. If you failed this final qual, you were washed out. Pucker factor was high. Shakira's "Hips don't lie" came on the radio and I blasted that thing. Got me in the zone. I will always remember that day. Thanks Shakira.
Class #1.
@@chrisd8715 Damn, ya' got me. Be safe brother.
That never happened....
This is great video!!!! Thanks for not editing out anything bad. It makes it so realistic for me. Thank you!!!!
Sometimes my commitment to posting what I shoot no matter what bites me in the rear end!!
Great job, gentlemen! John - I love the fact that you can own it and maintain a good attitude. You set a great example for the rest of us. Bravo Zulu, friend!
Thank you kindly!
Attitude is everything!
Seeing those giant berms up close I have much more respect for the work it took to build that range.
What’s the definition of Low Ready? I thought you had to point at the ground about 5 yards out for low ready. It looks like you start pointing about 2 inches below the target.
No, that is not low ready low ready is below the waistline of the target.
@@ASPextra Not in 1992 when this qual came out. Back then low ready was the old "guard" position which was 45° to the ground regardless of target distance to avoid muzzling a subject.
In the 2010's this evolved to the belt line so you had a shorter travel distance to contact but could still see the hands, albeit now muzzling the subject. There are different views on what's appropriate for both methods.
What I find curious, however, is the Air Marshals were the ones who popularized the two handed center of chest (sternum) compressed high ready because of the airplane seat height, so I'm wondering why the article states "low ready" in the stages.
Guard position is not low ready. :)
@@ASPextra Not in 2021, but in 1992 it was.
There was a lot of stupid stuff taught in 1992 that we have learned better since.
That would be a relatively doable qual with a competition rig, but that's Uber spicy for a carry gun/mag set up.
It's for Federal Air Marshals. They carry concealed on a plane. Agreed that it's a spicy qual for that, though. I'm glad they have to be this good, because missing on a crowded aircraft would not be ideal.
Honestly, who cares what anyone can do with a gamer rig. If it isn't based on concealed carry or service use, it's pointless gaming.
@@sundaynightdrunk The qualification doesn't test accuracy all that well. The bottle is quite generous, the times not so much.
This qual was shot by FAMs with a P229 in .357 with no optics.
I believe the Air Marshal's target is based on the QIT 99 which has a "3" square brain box and a 4" by 6.25" center mass box. Connecting these boxes, the length of this "A" zone is just over 15" and represents the brain-spinal cord-heart/lung critical areas. Unless your windage is near perfect and you only string multiple shots in a straight line vertically, it's a pretty tight area to hit with 30 rounds from 7 yards. I don't expect a perfect score on this qual in my foreseeable future.
Wrong
@@professionalpookie Enlighten us.
@@brianshuler6951 why would you need or want to know???
WARNING:
Here is a little history of the Federal Air Marshal original tactical pistol course.
The FAM TPC (Federal air marshal tactical pistol course) was required to pass the academy back in 2001. The student had 3 attempts towards the end of training or they were let go. The original firearm that was used was the Sig P229 chambered in .357 Sig.
The course of fire that everyone does on these RUclips videos are normally incorrect. They always use the incorrect firearm, ammunition, holster and cover garment. Also on stage 3 the 6 round ‘ rhythm’ drill has a 3 second time but no one knows that you can not have more than 0.60 second spread between rounds. This was the stage I struggled with because I got all 6 rounds out in under 3 seconds but I had a spread of over 0.60 seconds between 1 of the rounds. I failed my first 2 attempts but passed on my 3rd and final attempt.
Also what people don’t understand is if you failed on your 3rd attempt they had you pack your bags and you were let go so that adds a TON of stress knowing if you fail you were fired.
Now the surprise:
The FAM TPC (Federal air marshal tactical pistol course) is no longer required to graduate the FAM training. I felt this was a huge mistake back in 2002. I guess I was biased with the agencies decision to not use it for graduation because I passed the original TPC.
So in reality when videos are done like this on RUclips it’s kind of for entertainment purposes due to the fact Air Marshals are no longer using this course of fire (test) due to the fact over 60% of students couldn’t pass it anyways.
Now it gets worse.
In an attempt to design another advanced test they changed it and called it the ATPC (Aircraft tactical pistol course). What’s interesting about this course of fire is there are aircraft seats and dummies. So when the buzzer (PAC-timer) goes off you would either shoot from the aircraft seat, or lean out in the isle and shoot, etc.
Now here is the bad news: The ATPC test was originally supposed to be pass or fail but once again so many students were failing they just made it a participation only test. Again I was upset due to the fact the agency was ‘ dumbing down’ the standards just to fill seats.
To the maker of this RUclips video; Your attempt was good. The Glock apparently is the new weapon the FAMs have now or are going to get them soon but the Glock was never used on the TPC. By you guys not utilizing the Sig P229 with .357 Sig, well you had a handicap. May I suggest you use a Sig P229 chambered in .357 Sig and give it another go.
I wish I lived by your guys because I have not shot the FAM TPC in over 11 years.
Tom Bullins of Trigger Time in NC wrote the original one
Nobody is gonna read all this
I read every bit ... I have been a in the same shoes, different tests ... but I pass then they dumb it down so seats can be filled LOL ...
@@ShootStraight84you can’t read? Would you like me to send you a coloring book?
Just for the record, FAMS do not use “low ready” but rather a “high ready.”
Great shooting gentlemen!
No one cares
I’d love to see how you train this specific drill and then do it again! Thanks for all the work y’all do. :)
What fun! This reminded me of my past(and ones to come).The nervousness of the range master doing math, even when you knew you were dialed in, is inescapable haha
I'm surprised at how heavy you've gotten after so much work, but I have too. I went from over 250 to almost 200 once I found out my weight would likely lead to my death within a few years if I didn't change. I fell off the wagon over the last year, but I've started my journey again. To me, it's a primary piece of what I think I need for my self-defense plan. I'm at about 225 again and hoping to hit 210 by the end of the year and get to 200 by early next year. My real goal is 180, but my current goal is 200 since I haven't seen that weight in many years. I know you can do it, too. It kinda sucks, but I don't want to leave my kids without their father.
They reason for the center “A” zone is to hit the spine. Remember they are there to take down hi jackers. They also want to mitigate numerous errant shots on an air craft.
Original air Marshall’s were mostly SF troops.
As you say, all you can do is bring all the skills you possess to bear on the task at hand. Introduction of some unfamiliar times, scoring systems, and splits induces a little stress that isn't normally there with your standard and traditional timer and scoring. Case in point - on most days you would deliver that first round with no problem, something even a slightly different source of stress or familiarity elicits less than our best response.
Imagine the extra pressure of your career being on the line during this.
Imagine your life being on the line.
Man that’s a generous low ready
Nice job guys. I tried this one a few weeks ago. And you were loading from your pocket. Still good runs.
A real shot timer is a must-have if you're going to take training seriously
Lol! That first pocket reload was dope! And you made the time!
Low ready is a 45 degree angle, muzzle below waistline of target.
No, it is not. Low ready is below the waistline of the target, which is what we did here.
@@ASPextra Idk that gun barely moved up 🤷♂️
Love the honesty/integrity. You could have easily done a re qual and on one of us would never had known. Great job.
Hey I got up to 300 lbs John. I got down to 190. Back up to 220 after bad habits and breaking a few bones from motorcycles.
Looks like we could both be training more that a trigger finger.
I started my weight loss around the same time as you.
We are almost there my man time to focus and
get there.
his low ready is still pointing at the belt line. low ready is around the knee area. The only thing about Neil's reload is that he's not reloading from the workspace, he's reaching too far with the magazine.
ruclips.net/video/BQmmJcAYZrs/видео.html wrong
I don’t know how old this course is, but I recall one they used back in the. 90s that was pretty tough - multiple targets. I can’t remember the course of fire for that one and understood they’d changed their course when they expanded after. 9/11. Maybe this was the same one. I need to look and see if I still have that course of fire. Anyway, the old IDPA qualifier was based on their course. One thing is for certain, you both shot this course better than a lot of non shooting’ three-letters would the first time out - maybe several times out. Great video.
I thought if you didn’t make the time restraints you failed the entire qual?
Going to try this one. Looks like a decent one, especially considering a federal agency came up with it.
Would love to see a list of known Quals in ascending order of difficulty.
Absolutely
Hell I'd like to see a list of drills in ascending order of difficulty, including various quals
I think that's a good idea!
Yes I've done a few practice quals from Australia, it would be good to see more Quals that you use.
@@amo757 so he rates them from easy to hard?
I'll have to give his channel another look
Hell I thought I had subscribed
@@amo757 he also has what looks like some very good one box training courses for both rifle and handgun
Not sure how I didn't subscribe to this channel before, but thanks for bringing it back to my attention
I am definitely subscribe now
Where was the low ready?
Right here: ruclips.net/video/BQmmJcAYZrs/видео.html
@@ASPextra Pointing straight ahead and taking shots straight ahead isn't a low ready despite posting a link to a video. When people have to post videos as a response instead of just responding it's an indicator that they're full of it.
So, you didn't watch the video then, that explains. Got it.
@@ASPextra No, I didn't. Posting a video doesn't make shooting straight ahead a low ready.
Your ignorance is showing.
I agree it's good to be honest with your shooting, hi qual shooting brings out the nerves, which is good. Imagine the nerves you have to overcome on a plane in a real situation, cover your ASP
They use 357 Sig not the measly 9mm making it even tougher…
Seems like the agency switched to 9mm in 2020.
@@opensourceecon I wouldn’t want to be shooting nothing on an airplane!
@@opensourceecon No they did not. They still carry the Sig 229 chambered in .357 Sig ammo
@@JJLTACTICALSOLUTIONS you know ablot
What would the score have been with the Air Marshal target? John said it was narrow at 4.5" or so. I suspect it would not be a "pass", not that I'm in any way disparaging his shooting, which was excellent. If it is that narrow, that standard is beyond difficult
My understanding is, it's not "If you go overtime, your last shot doesn't count," it's "If you go overtime, you fail."
Need a refresher as to what is Low Ready. If you were shooting for certification you both would have been disqualified. You are not shooting from a low ready position.
Thanks, Low Ready as defined by many instructors in the industry is muzzle below the belt line. That’s what we did. As it turns out, none of us were shooting for a certification but if you’d like to post your video I’d be happy to watch it.
That's going to be very challenging!! Thanks for demo'ing that dril!
Real nice drill. I've never seen it actually run, so thanks guys!!
So many comments on low ready. It is meant to be a ready position. You are dropping the gun just below the eyeline so that you can asses without having to look through your sights. Aiming at the waistline or bottom of the target is how it's generally practiced. If you are dropping your gun to 45° you aren't ready for anything. I'd really like to see some videos of people commenting on this shooting the qual with their mistaken version of low ready.
I guess I misunderstand low ready. Never really asked what it means during qualifying. To me it means if I pulled the trigger while in low ready I would shoot the person in the kneecap. What I saw in this video is the difference between center mass and low abdomen. Not saying g anybody is wrong..just sayin.
It did seem there was a pause in the video waiting for low ready...which was eventually accepted. Now I have to look up low ready. I may possibly greatly improve my time.
Couldn’t see if you were accessing your reloads with the mags exposed or if they were covered by your shirt. When the mags are covered with my shirt that seems to really slow me down. Thanks for the video!
His were under his shirt. Mine were in my pocket.
Neil made it look easy
Man… I was freaking on the inside! :)
Good shooting both you guys! I like seeing the quals for different departments.
so "hands at sides" is bad.... what would be good?
Great job. Thanks for sharing!
John, I'm surprised that you're not prepared with a proper mag holster.
From the pocket?
Sounds like you got great grouping though.
I don't carry a spare magazine as a private citizen.
Happens to the best. I have had days where I can't hit anything and some days where some people would think I was a grand master. Lol
Unfortunately this is not the correct course of fire. FAMs use the standard FLETC PPC. The only difference is the FAMS requires a 255/300 where most other Fed Leo’s require 225/300.
You must use the TRS 2 target as well.
Why did you need to post this?
Looks like a good practice to run for any trained shooter. Could be lots of fun. Your man posses good reholster technic.
what did you mean by "my dot was gone"?
Means I didn't see it.
@@ASPextra I'll go blow out my lantern, bed time. 😉 thanks for all the replies and great content.
Do you have a shot timer app running on your phone?
rangetechtimer.com
I've never seen a low ready this high before.
"Low Ready" vs "Guard" and Why We Should Stop Flipping Out
ruclips.net/video/BQmmJcAYZrs/видео.html
If i had some palm palms i would be jumping around cheering john on😮
Weird
John are you using a dedicated shot timer or an app on a cellphone? If app, what app are you using? Thanks for the video!
rangetechtimer.com
Should explain the reasoning for their unique A zone. My immediate thought is it takes into account the interior of a plane where horizontal deviation is disastrous whereas vertical is more acceptable.
Deviation on a plane is bad in any direction, though not disastrous. They've thoroughly debunked the myth that a bullet will blow a plane up.
@@ASPextra I meant disastrous in that you have a high likelihood of striking an innocent passenger. Your margin for error is much wider vertically because as your rightly pointed out breaching the hull is a minor issue.
Fair enough!
Nice video ASP, now have new routines to practice at the range. What pistolas were you guys shooting?
FAMS carry the Sig P229 in .357sig.
Not a low ready position at 6:10 in my opinion.
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@@ASPextra Good point - slack awarded.
Damn Neil is good
He can shoot for sure.
What about the FFDO qualification?
As of a couple of years ago, it is essentially an off duty qualifying @ 50 rounds and no more than 15 yards... very easy.
7:28 strip that mag…that is all I got. 👍🏼
Easy for me to say watching this from my couch. ;)
John, did you have two failures to lock back?
This is a pretty spicy qual. Especially considering the qit 97 has a 4 inch wide scoring zone. These are the kind of standards all LEO's should be trained for.
My grip means I never, ever get a gun to lock to the rear unless I consciously adjust my grip to get it. My support hand is too high and I have big hands. Since reloads never happen in private citizen gunfights (but do in quals and in LE gunfights) I don't worry about it.
@@ASPextra I can completely level with that. I wear 2x gloves. It took a lot of work finding a gun and perfecting my grip so that the slide will actually lock back. I also tend to agree that reloads and backup guns are pretty much useless in Civilian involved DGU's. You were still pretty quick doing the slingshot but that's really gonna hold you back if you ever get serious about competing.
@@ASPextra reloading never happens, but it's still a good idea to have an extra mag or two, right?
I do not carry a reload. If you carry a reload and do not carry less lethal, I would suggest reprioritizing. If you carry a reload and do not carry trauma medical equipment, I would suggest reprioritizing. If you can carry all that and carry a reload, rock on. You'll never ever ever use it in a gunfight, but if you want to carry a magic totem around that's fine by me.
@@ASPextra I carry less than lethal POM on my keychain and have my medical in my off body (backpack).
I started putting more emphasis on my cardio and overall health lately rather than adding to my kit.
Are you using a phone app? Which is it? I was looking for a good shooting timer like a pocket pro, which are more expensive then I thought. I mean $100 doesn't buy as much ammo as it used to
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I am sorry you had a bad experience, but totally disagree with your assessment.
@@bigbarrel6583 ended up finding two stand alone apps.
IPSC Stot timer
Splits
That had good reviews. They seemed to work with just clapping. Might not work at a busy range. But I wanted something for some buddies to do qualification drills.
With the money saved I might buy a range finder.
They tend to suck if there's more than a slight breeze outdoors or running it indoors. They can be okay for dry fire though.
Doesn't look like a low ready. He's already aiming at the target!
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I thought that going over time on any stage was a fail on the qual. But very impressive anyway!
I didn't read that. I think it's just a fail on that round.
@@ASPextra In the article you linked to, it says you fail the whole thing if you miss any par time.
From the article: "Each of the seven stages has a par time requirement, and regardless of the target score, if the par time is not made, the applicant fails. That immediate pass/fail aspect adds a severe level of stress, adding to the usefulness of the course for self-defense training."
Well, I fail then.
Not sure your buddy knows what low ready is
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Never seen that kind of low ready.
Sounds fun but maybe counter productive amalfunction could ruin this sort of thing becuase someone is trying to beat a timer and not reacting to actual events occuring at these speeds better hope if your shooting reloads or even factory loads in some cases it was done right
The PPC is a joke, try the original Air Marshal TPC, with the original times.
Describe it
PPC (Practical Pistol Course) is elementary next to the TPC (Tactical Pistol Course). The FAMs tried to institute the ATPC (Aircraft Tactical Pistol Course) in phase 2 but still not as difficult as the original FAM TPC.
Shut up
Wish i could try this looks like when i was able it would have been apiece of cake
I've shot this 2x and scored a 127 and 130, so 2 fails.
That’s great shooting.
Didn’t you use the SIG229 chambered in .357 Sig?
that range looks like someones backyard the berm is not high at all compared to ours or even the ranges without have mountains cliffs or hills or atleast rubber shavings i think where i have been
Lol that berm is 20 feet tall.
@@ASPextra thank goodness i guess looks are decieveing
Guys I looked up the qualifications online and don't see an answer... Would they allow a red dot for the qualification?
Got me, I used my EDC.
No
but, but, but, but the low ready is .... Ok, I'm a little out of practice (though, not by much). I think it would take me multiple days to qual even IF I kept my sights on target. As for adding the LOW READY, I'd probably have to add in a couple more days. I would like to see Jerry M try this with his revolver and make us all look silly.
Like the video, but it makes me think I am over doing the low ready.
Saving this. Definitely a good challenge!
Thank you, Gentlemen.
Crazy the AM’s use stock pistols with irons. Dudes are legit, especially for being confined with Karen’s in the sky so much!
They’re allowed dots now.
@@ASPextra where can I find that info?
This is NOT a Us Air Marshal Qualification……perhaps some other country….but NOT United States.
That looks really hard, difficult and damn near impossible. SIGN ME UP!
A great challenge
If you fail any time requirement for any stage you fail the qual. Period. For example, if you fail the time requirement for stage 1, just quit. You fail. I use 4 inch oval steel plates.
Shooting the same target, and not even pasting..really?
Red shooter...it is Low Ready.
That’s a lot of pressure, especially when your job is at stake. It’s nerve wracking, to say the least.
Looks tough
I wouldn’t call that a low-ready.
No red dot….
That low ready seems kinda cheaty.
No, low ready means pointed at the bottom of the target paper, and that’s what we did.
Highest low ready I have ever seen.
German police low ready is 45º because you dont point the gun at them, which needs legal reason. So there is a sense behind a more low ready than shown
Fig leaf is not cheating. It is perfectly okay. Good grief.
@@TroutWest That's Neil Weidner, the guy in this video with John and father of the range monkey, and a hell of a shooter. That man would rather lose than be accused of cheating. Watch more carefully. I've never seen Neil come anything close to "cheating."
Thank you😊 i love seeing what i loved doing! Just wish it was first person on agopro
Line hit does count!
That wasn't low ready. Hands at sid makes sense for undercover airplane passenger.
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Put them in a trust
Good to know, Derek Zoolander can’t be an air marshal.
Wow. Active self protection guy always says to be prepared. I imagine you knew you were doing this qualification and you don’t carry a mag holster? You should be carrying one with you at all times period. I do conceal carry with an owb holster, so I also keep a mag in my left jacket pocket.
I’ve never seen a private citizen use any rounds from a second magazine in any capacity to win a gunfight ever. So it’s not something private citizens need to carry and I have other priorities.
@@ASPextra I saw at least on video of yours on RUclips that showed a reload, maybe more than one I thought. One in Brazil I believe, the guy was a competition shooter and there were multiple bad guys. I could be wrong about which one, but I believe that’s the one. Of course we see ones with cops and reloads a lot. That seems backwards, because I’d be less likely to stand my ground fighting a cop who has help on the way Vs and individual, but that is how it seems to happen.
Again, I've never seen a private citizen use ANY rounds from a second magazine in any capacity to win a gunfight ever.. You've have not seen one on this channel either.
@@ASPextra found one study where it did happen twice, I won’t count the time it was required to shoot an animal, lol. tacticalprofessor.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/tac-5-year-w-tables.pdf. I train every weekend with ex military some of whom where also police officers. They all insist I train on reloads ( also good for a bit of competition we have amongst each other) and carry a spare mag. Super rare that it would happen, but just better to be prepared in case in my mind.
That's not a study, that's reading NRA magazines. Those stories are self-reported, not verified. So I hear you, but that data is not reliable. Police officers and military have different mission than private citizens. It's not wrong to carry a reload, but not needed.
PD and FBI quals should be like this. Full stop.
5:10
Quals should absolutely be run cold. This is about how you will perform on the worst day in your life (to the extent we can demonstrate this) so warming up would be an absolute cheat.
That’s actually a falsehood. You should never be cold if you do your dry practice in the morning. Also, cold performance is all over the map statistically. It can be your best or worst performance and that’s pretty well documented.
@@ASPextra dry fire is warming up? I’m sorry we have different definitions I misunderstood. Of course I support the idea that you should dry fire every day. I just mean to say I PERSONALLY don’t agree with shooting and then running a qual… but to each their own. My thinking is, most times a private citizen would enter a gunfight is not while they’re at the range. Love y’all, thanks for the lesson!!!
Again, though, what we see really often is that someone’s first shots of the day aren’t their worst. They’re just statistically within their best to worst. After a warm up they tend to move toward their average. So it gives a more consistent look at their trend in capability.
Low ready guys, LOW READY. You're moving your gun a solid 2 inches every time. That's cheating on the test.
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Nice “low” ready. Not
Bitter, party of one…. Your table is ready
I know you guys pride yourself on your training, but all schools teach low ready pretty much the same muzzle at the foot of the target so you aren’t flagging something you don’t need to until you need to. You moved your muzzle maybe an inch. Not low ready.
@@PaulyP_13 not all schools do…. But you can pick apart what you want… don’t forget that I’m fat too! :)
Muzzle diverted below the waistline of the target. Low, but ready. So...yeah.
That’s not low ready
Yes it is.
@@ASPextra how ?
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Can I swing by? Us Husky men can shoot good 😊