I just briefly debated a pastor friend of mine on these issues. He was claiming that freedom of religion is a biblical principle. I pointed out that the biblical principle of the 10 commandments is actually “thou shalt have no other gods before me” and that standard was upon pain of death. This is not freedom of religion. Rather, it is the antithesis. Freedom of (and from) religion is a constitutional principle, but it absolutely is NOT a biblical one.
Persia had the first religious freedom edict. When Cyrus conquered Babylon, he let his subjects keep their religions. That was why the Jews treat Cyrus as Messiah, because he freed them to worship their god and return to Israel, if they want. There might've been earlier religious freedoms, but I am not familiar with it.
The founders made SURE the country was not religious. That was one of their purposes: to have freedom of religion, NOT be crushed by it. They knew of state religion, making sure they left it in Europe.
Dorothy Gay........They left religion in Europe and now Europe is rejecting religion. Only 20% of 17 -25 year olds are religious over the pond. Great eh ?
They left Europe because the English government refused to allow them to practice their version of religion. They wanted to purge England of any religion they disagreed with. The English were okay with multiple faiths so on board the Mayflower and good riddance.
dont think they "knew" anything for certain back then. Probably just lucked out because they already had a large part of different religions and believes at the time so excluding 70% of the population would ve been a bad move
Yasss....that is the American experiment. Our Constitutional authors were extremely smart and made it godless on purpose. This is to protect all religions and to prevent religious torture of anyone giving their freedom to practice their religion their way. To quote Seidel, there is NO freedom of religion without freedom from religion.
Just read The Founding Myth by Andrew Seidel whilst on the beach in Barbados. It is a superb work of reference even to a Brit! As a study of the bible v the US Constitution it can educate both the religious and students of American politics and history. Highly recommended
Our country was specifically engineered to be a secular nation, built on the natural rights of man - freedom and equality. We owe much to men like Paine and Jefferson who laid the foundation for our freedoms. The separation of church and state is crucial and a fundamental necessity of a free society. Had this nation been founded as a Christian nation, as evangelicals claim, the first amendment would be dead, and freedom would have rotted in the grave with it.
@Peter Hockley That is amazing! Paine was not properly appreciated in his day nor mentioned enough now. His death and funeral were a sad ending for a great American patriot whom we owe such much for the liberation from the tyranny of government and religion. Thank you so much for sharing. You made my day !
@@seanmichaels8060 Yep. We need to either get around it by pooling EC votes, or abolish it. Obama said "elections have consequences." Well, apparently, so do STOLEN elections. Conservatives aren't playing by the rules and are fighting dirty. It's time to do the same.
@@datamasked623 _Conservatives aren't playing by the rules and are fighting dirty. It's time to do the same._ Nope. If we just *voted* reliably - in _every_ election - we'd stomp them. Copying the right-wing is just playing by their rules and would destroy the country just as quickly as they are. Of course, we'll have an uphill battle, because we _didn't_ vote reliably in previous elections (or threw our votes away on idiotic third-party candidates), so the Republicans have the Supreme Court firmly in their partisan hands. But we have to recognize how we screwed up if we're ever going to fix it. There are no easy solutions. We're going to have to get off the couch and actually *vote.* In *every* election.
The best response to Christian hate mail: "Is this hate mail? But Jesus said love everyone. This hate mail totally confuses me. If God is Love then hate mail is not of God. Very confused. Mail me back later. I need time to sort out the hypocrisy." They won't email back and if they do it will be an even angrier email and that's always fun. Yay! LOL.
@@bensteinundknochen9404 A person can get Christian hate mail for being gay, trans, for being a POC, an immigrant, a non-Christian or an atheist. What rock do you live under?
From a meme by Carliss Chatman: If a fetus is a person at 6 weeks pregnant, is that when the child support starts? Is that also when you can't deport the mother because she is carrying a US citizen? Can I insure a 6 week fetus and collect if I miscarry? Just figuring if we're going here we should go all in.
Instead of the vacuous emptiness of the Pledge of Allegiance, wouldn't our children be better off with a daily recitation of the Preamble to the Constitution? At least the Preamble states some purpose for our nation to exist other than to simply command our obedience to a flag in the name of some deity..
The Founders very familiar with the religious battles in Great Britain since Tudors and the 30 Years War. Both were on the struggle on which ruler will rule and push their religious beliefs on the subjects. The Founders did not want that. No matter who is charge, we don't follow the rulers' beliefs. Too many strife from that.
What about the book,"Founding Myths" by Ray Raphael? How does Andrew keep his book from being conflated, or mistaken for the other with almost the same title?
Pre-ordered his book when I heard him on FFRF channel. Can't wait to get it. Should be here soon. Andrew has done a few great talks on this subject as well. This is so extremely important as we see right-wing conservative theocracy pushing their agenda into our laws. Look at what is happening in Georgia right now, passing legislation to all out ban abortion in order that it will be able to challenge Roe v Wade in the Supreme Court now that trump has put two highy conservatives on the court.
I have a question can the state legislature be sued for misuse of state funds to pass laws they know are illegal just to get them to go through the courts? its going to costs millions in each of these states for what comes down to it is an attempt to pass religious laws.
Fascinating a couple years after this chat- there is a statistical fact that people are moving away from organized religion- we are generally becoming more secular, but of course we still see a right wing portion (group, movement or organized entity) that would like to create a theocracy...These social dynamics are not new and seems to be the primary feature of American society.
Is Donald trump a Christian, a believer in God ???? I always thought he was just saying "God bless America " because everyone has to or they wouldn't have a chance to get into the white house. He's not a very good advert for Christianity is he ?
Trump will say ANYTHING that gets him applause and praise. That's very easy to get from the evangelical crowd if you mention their god and his pick of Pence was strategic and purposeful for the evangelical sheeple to glam on to with a vengence. Just the thought of him putting right-wing conservative nut jobs on the Supreme Court was causing them orgasims beyond their wildest dreams.
@@seanmichaels8060. I see, so Christians will vote for an atheist as long as the atheist is a liar and says "God bless America" at the end of every campaign speech.
It's hypocritical to preach the golden rule and moral reciprocity while at the same time holding that temporary crime or sin will be punished with"eternal"punishment and torture.But don't bother trying to tell them that.
from my personal experience it seems as if christian nationalism is mainly driven based off of denomination than christianity as a whole. what i mean by this is in the area i live (northwest ohio) it seems like the ones who go that direction are born-again, baptist, and lutheran. also it is rare but ive also seen it somewhat in the local catholic churches or rather the believer individually.
In an extension of Rosemary's call concerning the State Of Georgia's abortion law, it centers around ( or concerns whatever your take) a 11-year-old child who was raped by a pedophile ( who is in prison now, one can take comfort the fate that awaits him there ), because of this ( pending ) law She Must Carry Through The Pregnancy (!) *Given how laws move through chances are she will have this child
seriously, this whole episode should be taught in school to enable US citizens to live adult reposinsible lives, not being caught in christianities insanity.
i'd guess that non-patriotic atheists online could also have a large section of (west)-europeans in it. here there's not big love for the country you live in. it can be a great place to live, but the borders are mostly meaningless (partially yay european union with open borders making borders nothing more then a line on a map where the standard language often changes, though people near borders often speak both).
Religions love to say that without them there can be no morality. Let's take a specific case: _rape_ . For centuries, raped women hid their rape to avoid dishonour. Because in the mentality of the time, until very recently, when a woman was raped, it was her fault. Very quickly, people would insinuate that it was her way of dressing, talking, walking, in other words her provocative behaviour that was the reason for her rape. Courts rarely convicted rapists and women who dared to report their abusers were in turn banished from society. _Only secular societies today make rape a crime_
Awesome book!!!💖🔱🥇🎉🎊 Just pre-ordered it. Sucks that I have to wait for it. Jesus was a Sorcerer, he was accused of it which is why he was crucified. Sorcerer Jesus wasn't all powerful, but he did have some powers, he didn't want people knowing and bragging about his Sorcery, but at the same time he couldn't stand by and watch others suffer, often after helping people he would ask for them not to say anything about his magic. (John 9:6-11) Of course, people couldn't keep their mouths shut, and bragged. Was he a god, or was he a Witch? Well the powers that be at that time didn't want this "Messiah" teaching others to do this Magick, they couldn't have everyone knowing this, their whole system would collaspe, they needed people to be dumb, ignorant, and illiterate so that they could get these "slaves" to do their bidding. To this day, this system of control is still in effect. Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons." The Babylonian Talmud is a commentary on Jewish laws composed between A.D. 500-600 (Neusner/Green, 69) Therein is a text about Jesus’ death. The Tractate Sanhedrin (43a) contains this passage: Jesus was hanged on Passover Eve. Forty days previously the herald had cried, “He is being led out for stoning, because he has practiced sorcery and led Israel astray and enticed them into apostasy. Whosoever has anything to say in his defense, let him come and declare it.” As nothing was brought forward in his defense, he was hanged on Passover Eve. What is the difference between, Divination and Prophecy? Prayer and Spellcasting? Worship and Spirit Summoning? A Prophet and a Sorcerer? A god and a Witch? Christians claim God hates Witchcraft and Sorcery, but you only hear them raising Hell about it, you never see this all powerful god enforcing his authority. So why does an all-powerful god need piss-ants to enforce his bullshit? Because he's not all-powerful. God is limited in what he can do. (Case in point, God has Moses paint blood over the Israelite's doors to indicate to the Angel of Death, who not to kill, an all-powerful god who supposedly knows how many hairs are on each and everyone's head somehow can't differentiate between Egyptian and Israelite.) What is really going on here is Blood Sorcery, a practice which Sorcerer Moses picked up in Egypt, as Moses wanted a piece of Pharoah's pie, and Pharoah told Moses to fuck off and then what ensued was a Wizard's Duel. But if Moses really won why did he leave Egypt and not run Pharoah's ass out of Egypt? Something isn't adding up. The word of God is his actual name. The study of this name is known as Tetragrammaton, the four-fold name of God YHVH. Moses created the 3rd Commandment to prevent his Sorcery of the Tetragrammaton from being practiced against him. But some Sorcerers did abuse this power as is evident in 2 Kings 2:23-24, “And Elisha went up from there to Bethel. While he was on his way, young juveniles came out from the city and mocked him, saying, ‘Go up, bald-head! Go up, bald-head!’ When he turned back and saw them, he cursed them in the name of YHWH. Then two female bears came out from the forest and mauled forty two of those juveniles.” We believe that Jesus was a Witch, that he descends from a long line of Sorcerers, like Moses, Noah, Methuselah, Samson, and Solomon. The disciples were faithless idiots. Jesus was constantly on their asses for their lack of faith. They never understood what Jesus was teaching, his Sorcery, and so their fucked up assumptions and interpretations of him came to be the standard beliefs for what Christianity is based on. Truly the blind leading the blind. Because of this the Bible cannot be considered the Word of God, rather because it is enforced, it is the Word of the Church. I say "Faithless", because in Matthew 17:20, Jesus says, "Faith as small as a mustard seed you can say to this mountain move from here to there and it will be done, nothing will be impossible for you". Yet, no Christian can move the mustard seed, which means that no Christian has any faith. Doing Miracles is the test for faith. Also Jesus never says have "faith-in" him, he always says "have faith" period. This is a far cry from what the Christians preach that you must have "faith-in" Jesus, which is actually "trust". The cult of Christianity is entirely man-made to prevent people from developing their powers and putting the Church out of power. They need ignorant, fearful idiots to fund their lavish lifestyles. Investigate the origins of the bible and how Christianity came to be, you will find much evil was done to establish it as a major power. You can't sell your soul to the devil or make a pact with him, that is a Christian lie and Hollywood bullshit. In the Garden of Eden, the Yahweh god said that if Adam and Eve ate the fruit that they would surely die, the other god Lucifer, represented by the serpent said that they wouldn't die, they would have the same knowledge of good and evil like the gods. What happened? They ate and did not die, they gained the knowledge of the gods. The Yahweh god lied. "He was a liar from the beginning". This is not in reference to Lucifer, but the Yahweh god. The Yahweh god demands servitude. The god Lucifer wants equality and for us to become living gods, which is why he teaches mortals about Witchcraft and Sorcery. Sorcery is the manipulation of astral energies, whether they be of one's own (internal pranas, soul) or another's (spirit's or other people's soul). Sorcery, in a nutshell, simply means the act of causing astral forces (energy) to effect this physical plane. Thus, many sorcerers devote their time to idolizing certain astral beings who help their Ascent in this physical life, and beyond. Two types, internal and external. Manipulation of astral energy of internal spirits is Yoga/Meditation. Manipulation of astral energy of external spirits is Summoning/Conjuring/Evocation. Interesting enough is that the Ritual of Christian Worship is no different than the ritual of spirit summoning, except that in the 3 parasitic death cults, the name of god is unknown and the blood sacrifice in Christianity is watered down, they use wine or grape juice as the symbolic representation of Jesus' blood, thus making their petitions very ineffective. The reason some Christian prayers get answered is because of the focused intention behind it which is no different than Spellcasting. Thus Christianity is like watered down witchcraft. The Grimoire, the Sworn book of Pope Honorius discusses the many Sorceries that the Church has engaged in in order to make its miracles/magick more effective. The Sworn Book of Honorius: Liber Iuratus Honorii www.amazon.com/dp/B01H83IP12/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_NOz1Cb7B0T8TD Lucifer left the domain of the false god of the Christians to help mankind evolve into something greater than the Yahweh/Jehovah god. Christianity demands servitude, whereas our God Lucifer does not. In the Garden of Eden, he liberated us from the lies of the Yahweh/Jehovah god. He helped us gain Knowledge of Good and Evil, & all's he wants is for us to know ourselves so that we can evolve into something magnificent and not be held down by the Church who just wants our money and then makes false promises about our salvation. Only we can save ourselves. Lucifer wants man to know himself and evolve to become a living god. Yoga and meditation are considered Satanic because it is a threat to the Church, they don't want another Jesus to come and fuck up all that they have created. If Jesus ever returned they would kill him immediately. The Church suppresses man's natural god powers with lies, threats, and murder. By using the techniques of Sorcery we are able to Summon these great gods that teach the deeper meaning of life and the secrets to Apotheosis or Becoming a Living God. www.becomealivinggod.com The Truth about Satan, and not the bullshitted assumptions of the goddamn Christians. www.satanisgod.org www.satanslibrary.org/ExposingChristianity/EXPOSING_CHRISTIANITY_MAIN.html The Skeptic's Annotated Bible www.amazon.com/dp/B00I76ROXK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_DHmYCb9YQWVT8 skepticsannotatedbible.com/ www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com How the Devil got his Horns ruclips.net/video/1qoTG2K2GGg/видео.html The politically incorrect Truth about Islam www.thereligionofpeace.com
@@GinEric84 I use the bible to disprove the Christian interpretation and reinterpret it from a Sorcerer's point of view. Christianity is bullshit because it was enforced by the church. I don't see the Bible as the Word of God, i see it as the history of Witchcraft and Sorcery, wizard dueling and abuse of the Tetragrammaton.
@@tolowreading6807 Pre-written responses that have taken years to formulate should a comment of mine be erased on a social media site, and so that I can reference it for future situations.
Ever since I read the Bible cover-to-cover I've failed to understand anti-abortion Christians. God seems just fine with abortion in the Bible. In fact, the Old Testament seems to condone it. If the Bible is fine with abortion then don't worry about it, Christians! LOL.
my question to athesists is why do all the ancient civilizations who had no means of communicating with each other all point to a godlike deity/being most often reptilian features giving humanity knowledge and technology?
Cmon Seth, "area codes" wirh 2 digits? Its a country code obviously. Us area codes are 3 digits. With the exception of just very few countries of any significance, they all ( except us with 1 ) have 2. Maybe travel more? Your remarks on mayonnaise in another podcast I just listened too are making you sound so ignorant, its baffling. You are a good kid. Love your show, but stay with ( anti ) religion. Suits you better.
4:10 do we also need to return to muzzle;le loader? or perhaps we also need to return Louisiana to the french?... actually that might not be a bad idea .. they could hardly do a worse job :P or do well need to return to England too ?
Why would they care if it spread through out Asia none of them were Christian or even religious except Malaysia Philippines mainly most in that area in Indochina were Buddhist
I just briefly debated a pastor friend of mine on these issues. He was claiming that freedom of religion is a biblical principle. I pointed out that the biblical principle of the 10 commandments is actually “thou shalt have no other gods before me” and that standard was upon pain of death. This is not freedom of religion. Rather, it is the antithesis. Freedom of (and from) religion is a constitutional principle, but it absolutely is NOT a biblical one.
think harder
Persia had the first religious freedom edict. When Cyrus conquered Babylon, he let his subjects keep their religions. That was why the Jews treat Cyrus as Messiah, because he freed them to worship their god and return to Israel, if they want. There might've been earlier religious freedoms, but I am not familiar with it.
@@Jamie-Russell-CMEjust try and think at all. Difficult for a theist I know.
The founders made SURE the country was not religious. That was one of their purposes: to have freedom of religion, NOT be crushed by it. They knew of state religion, making sure they left it in Europe.
Dorothy Gay........They left religion in Europe and now Europe is rejecting religion. Only 20% of 17 -25 year olds are religious over the pond. Great eh ?
They left Europe because the English government refused to allow them to practice their version of religion. They wanted to purge England of any religion they disagreed with. The English were okay with multiple faiths so on board the Mayflower and good riddance.
dont think they "knew" anything for certain back then. Probably just lucked out because they already had a large part of different religions and believes at the time so excluding 70% of the population would ve been a bad move
Yasss....that is the American experiment. Our Constitutional authors were extremely smart and made it godless on purpose. This is to protect all religions and to prevent religious torture of anyone giving their freedom to practice their religion their way. To quote Seidel, there is NO freedom of religion without freedom from religion.
Constitution not Country. Sorry! Autocorrect
Just read The Founding Myth by Andrew Seidel whilst on the beach in Barbados. It is a superb work of reference even to a Brit!
As a study of the bible v the US Constitution it can educate both the religious and students of American politics and history. Highly recommended
Our country was specifically engineered to be a secular nation, built on the natural rights of man - freedom and equality. We owe much to men like Paine and Jefferson who laid the foundation for our freedoms. The separation of church and state is crucial and a fundamental necessity of a free society. Had this nation been founded as a Christian nation, as evangelicals claim, the first amendment would be dead, and freedom would have rotted in the grave with it.
@Peter Hockley That is amazing! Paine was not properly appreciated in his day nor mentioned enough now. His death and funeral were a sad ending for a great American patriot whom we owe such much for the liberation from the tyranny of government and religion. Thank you so much for sharing. You made my day !
A good show exploring the Dominionist movement would be a good follow up to this episode, Seth.
I am listening to the audible version. It is a great read.
really enjoyed this discussion. have ordered the book ( and several others in the same vein while on Amazon!). cheers from Oz
Learned more about this topic in the past 50 minutes than I did my entire high school history education.
Thanks so much for the interview! Just put the book in hold through Seattle Public Libraries, will get my hands on it once it gets released. Mahalos!
Canadians are becoming extremely uncomfortable with our neighbour.
Canada should divorce us. We don't deserve neighbors.
@@datamasked623 I'm extremely uncomfortable with the electoral college. It allows religious conservatives to steal votes every dang election.
I can tell a fellow Canadian. Hello NeighboUr !
@@seanmichaels8060 Yep. We need to either get around it by pooling EC votes, or abolish it.
Obama said "elections have consequences." Well, apparently, so do STOLEN elections. Conservatives aren't playing by the rules and are fighting dirty. It's time to do the same.
@@datamasked623
_Conservatives aren't playing by the rules and are fighting dirty. It's time to do the same._
Nope. If we just *voted* reliably - in _every_ election - we'd stomp them. Copying the right-wing is just playing by their rules and would destroy the country just as quickly as they are.
Of course, we'll have an uphill battle, because we _didn't_ vote reliably in previous elections (or threw our votes away on idiotic third-party candidates), so the Republicans have the Supreme Court firmly in their partisan hands. But we have to recognize how we screwed up if we're ever going to fix it.
There are no easy solutions. We're going to have to get off the couch and actually *vote.* In *every* election.
The best response to Christian hate mail:
"Is this hate mail? But Jesus said love everyone. This hate mail totally confuses me. If God is Love then hate mail is not of God. Very confused. Mail me back later. I need time to sort out the hypocrisy."
They won't email back and if they do it will be an even angrier email and that's always fun. Yay! LOL.
You're getting Christian hate mail? Why?
@@bensteinundknochen9404 A person can get Christian hate mail for being gay, trans, for being a POC, an immigrant, a non-Christian or an atheist. What rock do you live under?
@@bensteinundknochen9404evilgelicals love (and live) to hate. It's part of their cult's dogmas.
Great segment!
Would love to have heard more about the book. Guess I'll have to buy it
You can find him talking more about his book at the FFRF channel and do indeed buy his book as a resource you can refer to when needed.
I just bought this book. Awesome!!!
From a meme by Carliss Chatman: If a fetus is a person at 6 weeks pregnant, is that when the child support starts? Is that also when you can't deport the mother because she is carrying a US citizen? Can I insure a 6 week fetus and collect if I miscarry? Just figuring if we're going here we should go all in.
O_O ... Awesome!
I'll definitely read this book when it shows up in audio form. Don't see one offered yet on Audible, but I'll keep checking in.
Two smooth voices in action... 😍 (Mythbuster with a simple but lofty purpose)
So am I the only one who got an ad for the Mormons on this page?
Instead of the vacuous emptiness of the Pledge of Allegiance, wouldn't our children be better off with a daily recitation of the Preamble to the Constitution? At least the Preamble states some purpose for our nation to exist other than to simply command our obedience to a flag in the name of some deity..
Edward Siegel thank you! I feel exactly the same way.
The Founders very familiar with the religious battles in Great Britain since Tudors and the 30 Years War. Both were on the struggle on which ruler will rule and push their religious beliefs on the subjects. The Founders did not want that. No matter who is charge, we don't follow the rulers' beliefs. Too many strife from that.
@12:20 This is exactly what the Supreme Court just did…despicable.
What I get this may be a very, very important book.
What about the book,"Founding Myths" by Ray Raphael? How does Andrew keep his book from being conflated, or mistaken for the other with almost the same title?
Pre-ordered his book when I heard him on FFRF channel. Can't wait to get it. Should be here soon. Andrew has done a few great talks on this subject as well. This is so extremely important as we see right-wing conservative theocracy pushing their agenda into our laws. Look at what is happening in Georgia right now, passing legislation to all out ban abortion in order that it will be able to challenge Roe v Wade in the Supreme Court now that trump has put two highy conservatives on the court.
Your llama is so cute. Or is it an alpaca ?
Oh yes, your comment is good too.
But seriously, do you own an alpaca?
@@claires9100 It is an alpaca and no, I don't own one, just think I look like one. LOL
I have a question can the state legislature be sued for misuse of state funds to pass laws they know are illegal just to get them to go through the courts? its going to costs millions in each of these states for what comes down to it is an attempt to pass religious laws.
I'm familiar with Andrew Seidel. I've never met him, but I see him on FFRF RUclips channel.
Seth, where do you land on the ACE RR debacle?
1950s my gran was a stay at home mom, with a perfect house, perfect family, but she was an alcoholic and drug dependent on uppers and downers.
If you ask just about any library in the US for a book, they'll order it for you & will contact you when it arrives.
We are fundamentalist YEC's opposing Christian Nationalism
12:40, boy this was an accurate prediction in terms of getting the votes to overturn RvW.
Great book 👍
Fascinating a couple years after this chat- there is a statistical fact that people are moving away from organized religion- we are generally becoming more secular, but of course we still see a right wing portion (group, movement or organized entity) that would like to create a theocracy...These social dynamics are not new and seems to be the primary feature of American society.
Is Donald trump a Christian, a believer in God ???? I always thought he was just saying "God bless America " because everyone has to or they wouldn't have a chance to get into the white house. He's not a very good advert for Christianity is he ?
Trump will say ANYTHING that gets him applause and praise. That's very easy to get from the evangelical crowd if you mention their god and his pick of Pence was strategic and purposeful for the evangelical sheeple to glam on to with a vengence. Just the thought of him putting right-wing conservative nut jobs on the Supreme Court was causing them orgasims beyond their wildest dreams.
Most Christians I know are also skeptical of how religious Trump is. But most of them seem to like him whether they think he's Christian or not.
Drumpf is all ego. He wants to be God.
@@TheRobdarling Or he already thinks he is.
@@seanmichaels8060. I see, so Christians will vote for an atheist as long as the atheist is a liar and says "God bless America" at the end of every campaign speech.
4:22 well you know what they say .. never let the facts get in the way of a good story...
It's hypocritical to preach the golden rule and moral reciprocity while at the same time holding that temporary crime or sin will be punished with"eternal"punishment and torture.But don't bother trying to tell them that.
from my personal experience it seems as if christian nationalism is mainly driven based off of denomination than christianity as a whole. what i mean by this is in the area i live (northwest ohio) it seems like the ones who go that direction are born-again, baptist, and lutheran. also it is rare but ive also seen it somewhat in the local catholic churches or rather the believer individually.
How could Jefferson cut things out of his bible? Was his bible printed on one page-side only?
Nope. He cut the sentences out of the Bible and arranged them on another empty piece of paper.
I imagine he used at least two copies.
He used two copies.
America has a southern taliban...it’s called the evangelicals...
and the spiritual people guess what guys.... WERE WITH YOU were on your side morally speaking we are on the atheists side
In an extension of Rosemary's call concerning the State Of Georgia's abortion law, it centers around ( or concerns whatever your take) a 11-year-old child who was raped by a pedophile ( who is in prison now, one can take comfort the fate that awaits him there ), because of this ( pending ) law She Must Carry Through The Pregnancy (!)
*Given how laws move through chances are she will have this child
I like to tell a fundie John 10:34, that we are gods.
Good one
it isnt hard to argue against abortion without being a Christian nationalist.
The constution was based on the Great Law of the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois).
Very sad. My friend whom works in women's heath,told me more Father's decide to want the fetus aborted when they find that it will be a girl
I saw a really obnoxious bumper sticker yesterday " If" you are not a Christian..You are not an Ameroican"
@@kathyheitchue2022 i guess us atheists should move to canada lol almost like a modern exodus
Golden Rule goes way back to confucius, about 1200 BCE.
seriously, this whole episode should be taught in school to enable US citizens to live adult reposinsible lives, not being caught in christianities insanity.
i'd guess that non-patriotic atheists online could also have a large section of (west)-europeans in it. here there's not big love for the country you live in. it can be a great place to live, but the borders are mostly meaningless (partially yay european union with open borders making borders nothing more then a line on a map where the standard language often changes, though people near borders often speak both).
Religions love to say that without them there can be no morality.
Let's take a specific case: _rape_ .
For centuries, raped women hid their rape to avoid dishonour. Because in the mentality of the time, until very recently, when a woman was raped, it was her fault. Very quickly, people would insinuate that it was her way of dressing, talking, walking, in other words her provocative behaviour that was the reason for her rape. Courts rarely convicted rapists and women who dared to report their abusers were in turn banished from society. _Only secular societies today make rape a crime_
Awesome book!!!💖🔱🥇🎉🎊
Just pre-ordered it. Sucks that I have to wait for it. Jesus was a Sorcerer, he was accused of it which is why he was crucified.
Sorcerer Jesus wasn't all powerful, but he did have some powers, he didn't want people knowing and bragging about his Sorcery, but at the same time he couldn't stand by and watch others suffer, often after helping people he would ask for them not to say anything about his magic. (John 9:6-11)
Of course, people couldn't keep their mouths shut, and bragged. Was he a god, or was he a Witch? Well the powers that be at that time didn't want this "Messiah" teaching others to do this Magick, they couldn't have everyone knowing this, their whole system would collaspe, they needed people to be dumb, ignorant, and illiterate so that they could get these "slaves" to do their bidding.
To this day, this system of control is still in effect.
Matthew 12:24
But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."
The Babylonian Talmud is a commentary on Jewish laws composed between A.D. 500-600 (Neusner/Green, 69) Therein is a text about Jesus’ death. The Tractate Sanhedrin (43a) contains this passage:
Jesus was hanged on Passover Eve. Forty days previously the herald had cried, “He is being led out for stoning, because he has practiced sorcery and led Israel astray and enticed them into apostasy. Whosoever has anything to say in his defense, let him come and declare it.” As nothing was brought forward in his defense, he was hanged on Passover Eve.
What is the difference between,
Divination and Prophecy?
Prayer and Spellcasting?
Worship and Spirit Summoning?
A Prophet and a Sorcerer?
A god and a Witch?
Christians claim God hates Witchcraft and Sorcery, but you only hear them raising Hell about it, you never see this all powerful god enforcing his authority. So why does an all-powerful god need piss-ants to enforce his bullshit? Because he's not all-powerful. God is limited in what he can do. (Case in point, God has Moses paint blood over the Israelite's doors to indicate to the Angel of Death, who not to kill, an all-powerful god who supposedly knows how many hairs are on each and everyone's head somehow can't differentiate between Egyptian and Israelite.)
What is really going on here is Blood Sorcery, a practice which Sorcerer Moses picked up in Egypt, as Moses wanted a piece of Pharoah's pie, and Pharoah told Moses to fuck off and then what ensued was a Wizard's Duel. But if Moses really won why did he leave Egypt and not run Pharoah's ass out of Egypt? Something isn't adding up.
The word of God is his actual name. The study of this name is known as Tetragrammaton, the four-fold name of God YHVH.
Moses created the 3rd Commandment to prevent his Sorcery of the Tetragrammaton from being practiced against him.
But some Sorcerers did abuse this power as is evident in 2 Kings 2:23-24, “And Elisha went up from there to Bethel. While he was on his way, young juveniles came out from the city and mocked him, saying, ‘Go up, bald-head! Go up, bald-head!’ When he turned back and saw them, he cursed them in the name of YHWH. Then two female bears came out from the forest and mauled forty two of those juveniles.”
We believe that Jesus was a Witch, that he descends from a long line of Sorcerers, like Moses, Noah, Methuselah, Samson, and Solomon.
The disciples were faithless idiots. Jesus was constantly on their asses for their lack of faith. They never understood what Jesus was teaching, his Sorcery, and so their fucked up assumptions and interpretations of him came to be the standard beliefs for what Christianity is based on. Truly the blind leading the blind. Because of this the Bible cannot be considered the Word of God, rather because it is enforced, it is the Word of the Church.
I say "Faithless", because in Matthew 17:20, Jesus says, "Faith as small as a mustard seed you can say to this mountain move from here to there and it will be done, nothing will be impossible for you".
Yet, no Christian can move the mustard seed, which means that no Christian has any faith. Doing Miracles is the test for faith. Also Jesus never says have "faith-in" him, he always says "have faith" period. This is a far cry from what the Christians preach that you must have "faith-in" Jesus, which is actually "trust".
The cult of Christianity is entirely man-made to prevent people from developing their powers and putting the Church out of power. They need ignorant, fearful idiots to fund their lavish lifestyles.
Investigate the origins of the bible and how Christianity came to be, you will find much evil was done to establish it as a major power.
You can't sell your soul to the devil or make a pact with him, that is a Christian lie and Hollywood bullshit.
In the Garden of Eden, the Yahweh god said that if Adam and Eve ate the fruit that they would surely die, the other god Lucifer, represented by the serpent said that they wouldn't die, they would have the same knowledge of good and evil like the gods. What happened?
They ate and did not die, they gained the knowledge of the gods.
The Yahweh god lied.
"He was a liar from the beginning".
This is not in reference to Lucifer, but the Yahweh god. The Yahweh god demands servitude. The god Lucifer wants equality and for us to become living gods, which is why he teaches mortals about Witchcraft and Sorcery.
Sorcery is the manipulation of astral energies, whether they be of one's own (internal pranas, soul) or another's (spirit's or other people's soul).
Sorcery, in a nutshell, simply means the act of causing astral forces (energy) to effect this physical plane. Thus, many sorcerers devote their time to idolizing certain astral beings who help their Ascent in this physical life, and beyond.
Two types, internal and external.
Manipulation of astral energy of internal spirits is Yoga/Meditation.
Manipulation of astral energy of external spirits is Summoning/Conjuring/Evocation.
Interesting enough is that the Ritual of Christian Worship is no different than the ritual of spirit summoning, except that in the 3 parasitic death cults, the name of god is unknown and the blood sacrifice in Christianity is watered down, they use wine or grape juice as the symbolic representation of Jesus' blood, thus making their petitions very ineffective. The reason some Christian prayers get answered is because of the focused intention behind it which is no different than Spellcasting.
Thus Christianity is like watered down witchcraft. The Grimoire, the Sworn book of Pope Honorius discusses the many Sorceries that the Church has engaged in in order to make its miracles/magick more effective.
The Sworn Book of Honorius: Liber Iuratus Honorii www.amazon.com/dp/B01H83IP12/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_NOz1Cb7B0T8TD
Lucifer left the domain of the false god of the Christians to help mankind evolve into something greater than the Yahweh/Jehovah god. Christianity demands servitude, whereas our God Lucifer does not. In the Garden of Eden, he liberated us from the lies of the Yahweh/Jehovah god. He helped us gain Knowledge of Good and Evil, & all's he wants is for us to know ourselves so that we can evolve into something magnificent and not be held down by the Church who just wants our money and then makes false promises about our salvation. Only we can save ourselves.
Lucifer wants man to know himself and evolve to become a living god. Yoga and meditation are considered Satanic because it is a threat to the Church, they don't want another Jesus to come and fuck up all that they have created.
If Jesus ever returned they would kill him immediately. The Church suppresses man's natural god powers with lies, threats, and murder.
By using the techniques of Sorcery we are able to Summon these great gods that teach the deeper meaning of life and the secrets to Apotheosis or Becoming a Living God.
www.becomealivinggod.com
The Truth about Satan, and not the bullshitted assumptions of the goddamn Christians.
www.satanisgod.org
www.satanslibrary.org/ExposingChristianity/EXPOSING_CHRISTIANITY_MAIN.html
The Skeptic's Annotated Bible www.amazon.com/dp/B00I76ROXK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_DHmYCb9YQWVT8
skepticsannotatedbible.com/
www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com
How the Devil got his Horns
ruclips.net/video/1qoTG2K2GGg/видео.html
The politically incorrect Truth about Islam
www.thereligionofpeace.com
wow, you must be really good at typing
Why on Earth are you citing the Bible as if it carries and weight as a historical document?!
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I use the bible to disprove the Christian interpretation and reinterpret it from a Sorcerer's point of view. Christianity is bullshit because it was enforced by the church.
I don't see the Bible as the Word of God, i see it as the history of Witchcraft and Sorcery, wizard dueling and abuse of the Tetragrammaton.
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Pre-written responses that have taken years to formulate should a comment of mine be erased on a social media site, and so that I can reference it for future situations.
Load of bunk. Jesus was a perceived OT character that got woven as historical.
Ever since I read the Bible cover-to-cover I've failed to understand anti-abortion Christians. God seems just fine with abortion in the Bible. In fact, the Old Testament seems to condone it.
If the Bible is fine with abortion then don't worry about it, Christians! LOL.
Chalk polichicks
my question to athesists is why do all the ancient civilizations who had no means of communicating with each other all point to a godlike deity/being most often reptilian features giving humanity knowledge and technology?
Abortion water a period of time causes pain to that child. Period
Abortion water. Yum.
This should have more likes. trump….Manchurian
Cmon Seth, "area codes" wirh 2 digits?
Its a country code obviously.
Us area codes are 3 digits.
With the exception of just very few countries of any significance, they all ( except us with 1 ) have 2.
Maybe travel more?
Your remarks on mayonnaise in another podcast I just listened too are making you sound so ignorant, its baffling.
You are a good kid. Love your show, but stay with ( anti ) religion. Suits you better.
4:10 do we also need to return to muzzle;le loader? or perhaps we also need to return Louisiana to the french?... actually that might not be a bad idea .. they could hardly do a worse job :P or do well need to return to England too ?
gALE jORDAN? wHO?
Incest marriage 23:03
3:34 damn you have long ph numbers over there lol here its like 666 6666 lol
Oh... c'mon Seth. We all know America was founded on badgers (really awesome ones) lol
"We don't need no stink'n badgers!"
@@shriggs55 lol
20:31 and even if they did ... so what ?
Why would they care if it spread through out Asia none of them were Christian or even religious except Malaysia Philippines mainly most in that area in Indochina were Buddhist
If we were then why the hell did we fight to be free of king George back during our revolution