Cura Slicer Advanced Fast & Stronger 3d Printed Vases without Vase Mode

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  • Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024

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  • @gregf6297
    @gregf6297 2 года назад +5

    "Cura warns us it might be a mistake. But it's not. We know what we're doing"
    That gave me a chuckle.
    I watch all your 3d printing videos. Even if I think I know the topic, I learn something new.

    • @marcus3d
      @marcus3d 2 года назад +1

      Ironically he in fact does not know what he's doing. He doesn't understand vase mode, just like he last time didn't understand monotonic skin lines. In fact, every other 3D printing RUclipsr know better what they're doing.

    • @rukidding7588
      @rukidding7588 2 года назад

      @@marcus3d That's simply ridiculous. He knows what he's doing. He also knows the weakness, literally, of vase mode with a small nozzle. He even says it's possible to create strong prints in vase mode by using a nozzle with a larger opening. He's simply trying to find a way of getting stronger prints without having to swap nozzles. Of course it's not ideal, as he says, but it's a compromise that may appeal to some people.

  • @Mythricia1988
    @Mythricia1988 2 года назад +23

    Another tip is to use a wider extrusion width. For example in PrusaSlicer, the default extrusion width (you'll have to figure out which "width" is used for Vase mode, in Prusa it's the "External Perimeter" one), is 0.45mm. I've printed successfully up to 0.8mm without any visible surface imperfections, and I've printed up to 1.2mm successfully with some degradation in surface quality. This is all with a standard 0.4mm nozzle. As long as the layer bonding is good, those 0.8mm spiral prints are *really* sturdy, and very fast!
    Just another trick that is good to have in your 3D printing reportoire.

    • @MakeWithTech
      @MakeWithTech  2 года назад

      Thank you. I absolutely agree that there are many ways to get the job done.

    • @goku445
      @goku445 2 года назад

      Is 0.8mm width enough to make it strong enough?

    • @Mythricia1988
      @Mythricia1988 2 года назад +1

      @@goku445 0.8mm will make for a pretty sturdy vase print, yeah. Of course there's always some flex, but it depends on what the use-case is.

    • @goku445
      @goku445 2 года назад

      @@Mythricia1988 thanks. I guess it's ok for smaller vases. Wonder about permeability tho.

    • @Mythricia1988
      @Mythricia1988 2 года назад +1

      @@goku445 From my experience it depends on the substance. Even thin walls work well for water, but for oily substances, 3D printed containers behave like a sieve... So, seems to be related to the surface tension of the liquid.

  • @Empanada809
    @Empanada809 Год назад

    Amazing video
    Thank you very much.

  • @10bhann
    @10bhann 2 года назад +2

    Herb just want to say what a pleasure it is to watch your content. I am new to 3D printing and learning with you is amazing! Thank you so much!

  • @MrWave58
    @MrWave58 2 года назад +2

    As a newbie in 3D print I appreciate your approach! Thanks and respectful greetings from Austria!

  • @philsussex
    @philsussex 2 года назад

    Best on RUclips. Come on BBC, sign this guy up!

    • @goku445
      @goku445 2 года назад

      BBC is the past

  • @DIYsCool
    @DIYsCool 2 года назад

    Thank you for this excellent video. It is easy to forget that many of us are either new or just dabble occasionally. The way you explain what the changes you suggest are actually doing allows me to better understand how to tweak and tune things across the board. The age old "Give a man a fish..." or "Teach a man to fish..." scenario. The more I already know the information you are sharing, the more I realize I have learned already. Cheers.

  • @mantyfpv7409
    @mantyfpv7409 2 года назад

    Had a buncha failures with trying vase mode goingnto try this way tonight. Very clear and concise instructions!!

  • @MrCelali
    @MrCelali Год назад

    Thank you. I love your videos.

  • @mikebond6328
    @mikebond6328 11 месяцев назад

    Awesome!

  • @MarkTurkel
    @MarkTurkel 2 года назад

    Thank you! :)

  • @sausage5849
    @sausage5849 2 года назад

    Short and concise is good!

  • @cameron1536
    @cameron1536 2 года назад

    I really dig your channel, you and Chep have given me a really good crash course over the last 4 months. I’m getting amazing results from my ender 3. You remind me of my ex girlfriend’s dad, (a rabbi) very calming and pleasant personality, also, your explanations are excellent.

  • @Dorpz
    @Dorpz 2 года назад +3

    I had never thought of doing it this way!
    Whenever I have made anything with vase mode, I've used a .6 nozzle with the line width cranked up high.
    Really useful tip, thanks!

    • @MakeWithTech
      @MakeWithTech  2 года назад +2

      Thanks. As you noticed you can combine these two techniques. Larger nozzle and multiple lines.
      A great place to discuss this is at the MakeWithTech forum located at forum.makewithtech.com.
      At the free MakeWithTech forum/discussion group, you can also post images and examples of your work.

    • @marcus3d
      @marcus3d 2 года назад +1

      What? You never thought of slicing vases in normal mode? There's nothing new here. In fact, the suggested "solution" is the default settings in any slicer. The consequence of using normal layers is the seam, and this video doesn't show how to get rid of the resulting imperfections, so what exactly did you learn from this video?
      Actually your way of doing it is much, much better. Just use a bigger nozzle and crank up the line width, and then spiralize it. You did it right.

    • @hugohugo37
      @hugohugo37 2 года назад +1

      @@marcus3d I learned something.

    • @marcus3d
      @marcus3d 2 года назад

      @@hugohugo37 What did you learn?

  • @XxKerryEllxX
    @XxKerryEllxX Год назад

    Thanks i really had been looking for a way to make nice strong vases

  • @waggel120
    @waggel120 2 года назад

    Great! thanks!

  • @Eden_M
    @Eden_M 2 года назад

    Thanks Sir.

  • @MJ__90
    @MJ__90 2 года назад

    you're the best

  • @charlespatterson03
    @charlespatterson03 2 года назад

    Thanks for sharing. You definitely break it down where it's easy to understand and comprehend. I really appreciate it! 👏

  • @drazen2107
    @drazen2107 2 года назад

    hehe..just a few days ago I decided to try vase mode and I was not very satisfied with the strength of the printed model..in the same way as you I approached solving the problem..manual vase mode..it turned out great ..so much stronger vase...i did it with two walls and it turns out great.. anyway great video,i enjoy to watch them..

  • @guyjanssen1135
    @guyjanssen1135 2 года назад

    Thanks very much for the tip Irv!!

  • @MrDirectorKermit
    @MrDirectorKermit Год назад +1

    Hi Irv, This was absolutely fascinating! I'm trying to find the secret formula for waterproofing and while that question wasn't really addressed I learned so much more about cura then I originally thought. Thank you!

  • @pipoviola
    @pipoviola 2 года назад

    This is amazing! Thank you very much for teaching us!

  • @micro963
    @micro963 2 года назад

    Thank you for sharing👍👍👍

  • @DanPrint3D
    @DanPrint3D 5 месяцев назад

    Awesome video! I learned a bunch!

  • @mszoomy
    @mszoomy 2 года назад

    Perfect timing, I was wanting to attempt a "vase" and had no idea how and they seemed so weak

  • @JimBell20
    @JimBell20 2 года назад

    I just finished printing a funnel in spiral mode with Cura. I have been using .8mm line width in my vase mode profile. I decided to print this in 1.2mm for the first time. The result was great. The surface (both inside and outside) is very good. I used a layer height of .28mm and the funnel looks like it was printed with a .2mm layer height. This funnel is pretty simple so I want to print a more complex vase with the 1.2mm line width to see if the 1.2mm works for other items. All my previous prints with .8mm line width have been very good. And lastly, the strength of this funnel is is pretty amazing considering that it was printed in vase mode.

  • @subsyairsoft
    @subsyairsoft 2 года назад

    Thanks Irv, simple and great info!

  • @avejst
    @avejst 2 года назад

    Great walkthrough of the process!
    Thanks for sharing your experience with all of us 👍😀

  • @fermio100
    @fermio100 2 года назад

    Will try right now.

  • @MeKnownAsI
    @MeKnownAsI 2 года назад

    Always great tips and tricks. Thanks for the video tutorials!

  • @adamagave
    @adamagave Год назад

    Very helpful thank you!! 👍

  • @alwilson6471
    @alwilson6471 2 года назад +2

    You can often minimize those bumps by turning coasting on. Also, for a model like this you could actually turn retraction off. A combination of these options can reduce or remove the blips.

    • @MakeWithTech
      @MakeWithTech  2 года назад

      Correct. Thanks for sharing. You can also experiment with minimum segment size.

  • @colinfielder6695
    @colinfielder6695 2 года назад

    Love this! Great tutorial Ivr

  • @stevemcnerney
    @stevemcnerney 2 года назад

    Thanks for the great info.

  • @ericlauryssen6451
    @ericlauryssen6451 2 года назад

    great video, thkx Irv

  • @IronMan-yg4qw
    @IronMan-yg4qw 2 года назад +1

    you can print a top in vase mode if the top comes to a point at 45 degrees or less. :)

  • @zachariahpoltergeist4516
    @zachariahpoltergeist4516 2 года назад

    I resorted to nearly the same method the other day on my own to see if it would get rid of those little blobs in vase mode on my Ender 3 V2. It does :)

    • @AireDeZapatos
      @AireDeZapatos 2 года назад

      i am confused, i have the ender 3 v2 too, how did you lose the blobs/dots ?

    • @zachariahpoltergeist4516
      @zachariahpoltergeist4516 2 года назад

      @@AireDeZapatos Basically, print a vase in normal mode, like you would print anything else, not in Spiralize mode.

  • @thegrafxguy1
    @thegrafxguy1 2 года назад

    Great content as usual man, thanks for the info, very useful!

  • @mr.techjedi1507
    @mr.techjedi1507 2 года назад +2

    Great video! You have opened a whole new world for me in Cura. I see while you are explaining z seam alignment the outer wall wipe distance is set to zero. Have you found a distinctive difference in quality from changing it from 0.2?

  • @DWIT3D
    @DWIT3D 2 года назад

    Great tutorial, as are all your videos! You are giving me hope in Cura LOL. I think E3D's new REVO is going to be an awesome, quick way to print strong vases, as the nozzle change will be extremely quick. I'm itching to try them out. Either way, settings need to be adjusted in Cura!

  • @W4SJC
    @W4SJC 2 года назад

    Thank you so very much for this! Wanted to print a flask could not figure out how to keep liquid from escaping!

  • @umranium
    @umranium 2 года назад +2

    Or, keep the vase mode, switch to a larger nozzle and/or overextrude to avoid those z-seam zits and get a stronger print

  • @vegancatmomNL
    @vegancatmomNL 2 года назад

    Cura settings starting at 8:07

  • @kajn3206
    @kajn3206 2 года назад

    I also like to use weight mode but I prefer to find pieces in the field 32mm I have a bunker and trees (massive trunk) I usually print 0.4 but I print 0.6 wall

  • @elmundodelpc971
    @elmundodelpc971 Год назад

    Excuseme. Instead of using spiralized mode, use SURFACE MODE IN SURFACE O BOTH. and then you could set numbers of walls, roof, and bottom. sithout infill. so you can asign 4 walls and it will print quicker than your mode. excuseme please.
    Disculpe, en vez de usar modo espiralizado usen modo superficie o Ambos y alli podrán asignarle el numero de paredes que desen como asimismo tapas, techos, fondo, piso y NO USAR RELLENO Y QUEDARA REFUERTE. Ademas se imprimira mas rapido. Con 2 paredes ya adquiere fortaleza y estanqueidad. Disculpen, no quise ser impertinente. He aprendido mucho con Ud. Sr. Saludos desde Argentina. EL MUNDO DEL PC - MARIO

  • @trendstrategics
    @trendstrategics 7 дней назад

    Herb, thank you for your work. I am wanting to make a tpu seal for a cookie jar. So it has a contour, but no center. Just a seal about a half inch wide and maybe a 1/4" tall in the highest dimension. I would like to print it in vase mode or in a circular pattern for speed and uniformity. Is there a method to do this in cura? Just seems really wasteful in time to start and stop and hit new starting places when it should be able to just go around and around and build up the profile. Any thoughts? thank you. (Enjoy your teaching style)

  • @AndrewAHayes
    @AndrewAHayes 2 года назад +2

    I'm assuming that printing a vase with this method that has a shaped outer design like the ones on your shelf is going to be much more difficult although the seam will be able to be hidden on the sharpest corner

  • @drfat0101
    @drfat0101 2 года назад +1

    How about trying to hide the seam by arranging wall printing order in to out so that the seam is kept inside.. also enabling combing to minimize those blobs.

    • @camdavbax
      @camdavbax 2 года назад

      My thoughts also!

    • @supercheapmodelrailways5134
      @supercheapmodelrailways5134 2 года назад +1

      You can make the start point inside but the external perimeter has to stop somewhere and will leave a visible seam.

  • @nekowerewolf9769
    @nekowerewolf9769 2 года назад

    or you could do vase mode and just make your extrusion width wider

  • @oleurgast730
    @oleurgast730 2 года назад +4

    Can't you simply change extrusion width? I printed 0.8mm with 0.4mm nozzle to print a tube - it worked quite well (prusa slicer). Have not tryed to do extrusion widh 1.2mm on a 0.4mm nozzle. It would nice to see a comparision. As with modified extrussion width where would be no seam.

    • @MakeWithTech
      @MakeWithTech  2 года назад +1

      Yes but over and under extrusion is very imprecise since the nozzle is a fixed size. This approach is quite accurate.

    • @supercheapmodelrailways5134
      @supercheapmodelrailways5134 2 года назад

      What if you want a 3mm wall? This technique works with everything rather than a bodge of altering extrusion width. Which will add even more variables to the 3D printing equation you have to solve to get great prints.

    • @oleurgast730
      @oleurgast730 2 года назад +2

      @@supercheapmodelrailways5134 Than you have to live with seams, as the video shows quite well. The advantage of vase mode is having no seam. So until up to about 2....3 times the nozzle diameter, just editing extrusion width instead of other variables definitly is worth it. Esp. on constant cylindrial shapes (so no overhangs), there more extrusion do not lead to visible artifacts. There was a video about someone trying to compare a 0.4 and a 0.2mm Nozzle - but getting nearly exactly the same result - he forget to correct the extrusion with, wich was still 0.4 on the 0.2mm nozzle...
      Do not mix up bigger extrusion width with over extrusion. Over extrusion is pressing more plastic in a space as fit there. Thats not the case with higher extrusion witdh. The amount of plastic is whats calculated by the slicer (on normal prints the way the nozzle takes is the same as on a 0.8mm nozzle). A bit more imperfection you might get on sharp changes in direction. but thats normaly not a problem with vases.
      There is no - as we call it in german - "Eierlegende Wollmilchsau" (animal giving pork, wool and eggs). The solutions to get an optimal print differ by the object you want to print. Actually on the cyliner I wanted to print, the seam was rather bad. With using 0.8 mm extrusion with I got the strength I needed, without a seam.

  • @neokerman659
    @neokerman659 2 года назад

    Great Video, as always. Thank you. If you choose another filament color, it might be better visible on camera?!

  • @sullysrun7706
    @sullysrun7706 2 года назад +1

    I did find it very helpful. I am new to the 3d printing world so I have to ask a question that is bothering me. I have an Ender 3D Pro and it is not printing correctly. I have leveled it and have the settings right I think but I can print the bengy boat correctly yet. It looks good until about half way through. When I come back to check again it has a wire mess and is trying to print in mid air above the boat, what am I doing wrong? Please help!

    • @supercheapmodelrailways5134
      @supercheapmodelrailways5134 2 года назад +1

      You either need to film the print or watch it until failure as there are many things that can go wrong and you don't have enough info to diagnose the cause.

  • @dogfamily3115
    @dogfamily3115 2 года назад

    great video but i still dont know what i need to make it stronger and can hold water.. did i miss it when you say which setting it is

  • @Braincho
    @Braincho Месяц назад

    So there is no cure for seams if you need more layers wall. If its back - vertical lie, if its random - random dots... Possible to do something? I hoped to find an answer in this video to be honest.

  • @tobbesvensson6924
    @tobbesvensson6924 Год назад

    Well... Thank you! For sharing in a way that even a beginner understand!! Is there any way of printing small boxes ( 90X70X65mm ) that dont take forever? First I designed a box in thinkercad the way I use to, and slice it.. 7h per box! I need 12 of them. Then I tried spiral mode, 1,5h Then I tried making a box with "manual vasemod" with 1,2mm walls and it still would take 5h to print! Is it because its a square shape or am I missing something? I run a Ender 3 V2 with ms direct drive, all metal hot end, double z-screws and 0,4 nozzle.

  • @photelegy
    @photelegy Год назад

    Isn't there a way to make a pseudo vasemode but without travels (where it doesn't print)?
    E.g. like this with 3 walls:
    1. Prints the inner circle.
    2. Prints the middle circle.
    3. Prints the outer circle.
    4. Goes seamless to next layer and prints the outer circle.
    5. Prints the middle circle.
    6. Prints the inner circle.
    7. Goes seamless to next layer and prints the inner circle.
    ...
    I hope it's clear what I mean.
    I don't know why this shouldn't be possible technically. But I have no idea what settings on PrusaSlicer or Cura would end up in this.

  • @hankb7725
    @hankb7725 2 года назад +1

    Does Cura have a wipe or coast option to remove those bumps? Also can you force the travel to happen over the model, meaning along the wall to remove stringing?

    • @goku445
      @goku445 2 года назад

      yes it does!

  • @jcfpv3454
    @jcfpv3454 2 года назад

    I don't understand how come we can't have a setting that allows us to change the perimeters or Wall thickness Is when vase mode is selected

  • @Joshua-ju5uc
    @Joshua-ju5uc 2 года назад

    What if we simple want to make an object hollow, like say a crystal for a light. But want it to have 3 walls?
    I ask because that is my current challenge and no matter how I play with the settings, the wall count stays at 1

  • @user-ed5pj6co1k
    @user-ed5pj6co1k 2 года назад

    wall line counts changing more than 1 doesnt work.... i didnt miss anything did i??

  • @jaysoncummins7912
    @jaysoncummins7912 2 года назад +1

    Can you use vase mode on something that’s not a vase?

    • @MakeWithTech
      @MakeWithTech  2 года назад

      Yes. Absolutely. You can use "spiralizer", "vase", etc. mode on any object that only requires an outside wall and no top.

  • @jaysoncummins7912
    @jaysoncummins7912 2 года назад

    Can you make something other than a vase in vase mode?

  • @johnmckay4342
    @johnmckay4342 2 года назад

    I printed a tulip vase using your setting and it came out very good, the only thing was some stringing inside at the start of the printing of the petals. What can I do to prevent this?, also I would like to thank you for your very interesting and helpful tutorials.

    • @supercheapmodelrailways5134
      @supercheapmodelrailways5134 2 года назад +1

      Watch this video on tuning your printer, you can jump to the part on retraction if you don't have much time. ruclips.net/video/rp3r921DBGI/видео.html

  • @peterkiss1204
    @peterkiss1204 2 года назад

    Random seam alignment causes horrible pimples on the model skin with most bowden type printers. If only there would be a function to move the nozzle away from the outer wall slightly and jump to travel from the infill/inner wall...
    I can't really understand how does the printer print 3x more wall lines with only 20% overtime.
    I would rather use 0,6mm line width (1.5x nozzle size prints reasonably well) and 2 wall line count.

  • @RyanBennett_Gpd605
    @RyanBennett_Gpd605 2 года назад

    My wall thickness is grayed out and it won't allow me to change it... ideas?

  • @canadianpatriot5577
    @canadianpatriot5577 7 месяцев назад

    I just tried this on a simple tube that would slice at 5hrs 6mins. When I did vase mode, 1 hrs and 2 mins. When I tried what this video said, 5hrs and 1min. Not sure how he went from 3 hours to 1 hour.

  • @daabomb114
    @daabomb114 2 года назад

    @MakeWithTech I have a wanhao i3(maker select plus v2) and I want to upgrade the firmware. Is this possible? Do you have a video on how to do so? I am not in the market to buy anything.

  • @justincasiere9598
    @justincasiere9598 2 года назад

    It's not working for me it's staying at 11 hours vs 3 hours I'm vase mode. I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. No top no Infill

  • @iskandartaib
    @iskandartaib 2 года назад

    I've been trying to figure out how to design those nifty spiral vases. Or even better, double spiral vases. Doesn't seem to be an easy way with 123D Design. How is it done? The only way I can think of doing it is to create a series of stars, rotate them and move them up, and then loft between them. There's probably an easier way using other software (S-CAD, maybe?).

    • @ProtonOne11
      @ProtonOne11 2 года назад

      On more advanced CAD softwares, it's pretty straight forward. You create a base shape, and extrude that along a path that can be a spiral or what ever curve you draw in space. In more organic modelling software, like Blender, you can basically morph the 3d model by applying modifiers to the surface mesh, so you would just start with a cylinder, push and pull some vertices in and out to make a star shape, and then twist that thing by applying a rotation. I'm sure you'll find tutorial videos that show you the basic concept, and then you just need to go wild with your creativity...

    • @iskandartaib
      @iskandartaib 2 года назад

      @@ProtonOne11 Thanks. I tried my initial idea of copy/rotate/lift/lofting polygons. It works. I then tried making spirals out of long rectangle sketches, and then combining them with a reflected counter-spiral (sort of along the lines of a Terraplanter), and then multiplying them around a circle - this works, too - the problem came when I tried to do an intersection between the multiple spirals and a vase outline - at this point the computer started to drag (I'm using a 10 gen i7 with 16 GByte of RAM), and got worse when I tried doing this with a double spiral. I guess it's just too many objects. Converting to a .STL literally took hours, and the result was a 40 megabyte .STL! It does import into Cura, though. I'll have to see how it prints - Cura says 16 hours. I guess I should investigate and learn Blender, too.

  • @slickman1953
    @slickman1953 2 года назад

    Question, that's the same as saying 100% infill, correct?

  • @Robin-Visser
    @Robin-Visser 2 года назад

    Hello and thanks for the video. Can you help me with this question? is there an option in Cura to print the first layer in 1 line? i often face the problem of seperate printed cirkels in corners that come off of the bed, while the cirkels easily can be connected in the first layer. For example a constructionplate with 4 holes in the corners, easy to merge in the printing direction of the first layer.
    Or is such an option already availible in the experimental section? thx

  • @sidewinderam9m
    @sidewinderam9m Год назад

    The only reason I print in vase mode is to get rid of the seam/start-stop-imperfections...

  • @LucDekens
    @LucDekens 2 года назад

    Would Arc Welder be of any use with the technique?

  • @guinnessme
    @guinnessme 2 года назад

    Can I use this technique to print a half sphere( dome)? Thank you

  • @MyNamesMatTheFatRat
    @MyNamesMatTheFatRat 2 года назад

    I tried this and cura still says 5 hours, vase mode was 1... not sure why I followed the video exactly

  • @paulradford4100
    @paulradford4100 2 года назад +1

    "Oops, I broke it.." 😁

  • @bolamnieplecy6363
    @bolamnieplecy6363 2 года назад

    Hi I've used cura for a year but it came with a 3d printer I bought on a sd card,where is the best place to download the latest version of cura that works on a different computer an 3d printer

  • @spaz13b
    @spaz13b 2 года назад

    Comment

  • @dguy-xk4fc
    @dguy-xk4fc 2 года назад

    Amazing that 1 layer wall takes 1h 2min and 3 layers takes 1h 12min? It does not make any sense if you think about it. I also think you can up the extrusion width to 0.8 mm max in a single wall. So lets set that extrusion width to 0.6, and use 2 layers to get that required 1.2mm goal, that should be totally doable. Would it print faster? Of because of the extrusion width the mm/s goes down and is in fact not faster? Hmm..

  • @nicholasborrelli7544
    @nicholasborrelli7544 2 года назад

    This was not really helpful. It takes 5 minutes to swap tips.....just do that. You can also print wider than your tip size if you up the temp and go slower.

    • @MakeWithTech
      @MakeWithTech  2 года назад

      When using tools there are often multiple ways to solve a problem. If you are comfortable with swapping nozzles and retuning your slicer profile that is great. If you think you can get consistent results by over extruding that's another choice. This is a third alternative and their may in fact be other options.
      Isn't it wonderful that we have so many options for producing objects with desktop, relatively low cost, technology?

  • @reidmartin3479
    @reidmartin3479 Год назад

    Great video thank you