Trying Out Derwent Grey & Charcoal Pigments: Pan Paints, Sticks, and Pencils
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Test driving some of Derwent's charcoal pigments: pan paints, tinted charcoal pencils, and charcoal sticks in three shades. I am crazy about Derwent colours and I couldn't resist trying these as I work in a lot of ancient churches and ruins and would like to up my stonework game.
I bought mine from Bromley's Art Supplies here in the UK:
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Here is the link to this line at Derwent UK:
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Well hello and welcome, Sarah Rose. I think I know how you feel - sometimes paper and books make my heart beat faster and I am not even kidding. So you are in the right place! Join us, won't you?
I have the Derwent Tinted Charcoal paint palette set, and I enjoy them a lot. They’re wonderful for subtle, misty effects, giving a kind of aged, vintage look. I also like to pop the blocks out of the pans, dampen them and mark direct on the paper with the wet charcoal. Work fast, and it can then be smudged, scratched, or otherwise manipulated with a cloth, paper towel, brush, pencil or stylus. With all the tinted charcoals, apply them wet, and they are permanent. There’s no dusting off or additional smudging, and if not too thick, there will be little to no transfer even in a closed book, even without a sealant (I use casein, if I seal my paintings at all). It’s a very limited and muted palette, but I like that. Even with a single color, you can vary density and dilution and get a lot of variation.
Hi Jen, thanks for getting in touch and comparing notes. Casein for a sealer, eh? Going to look that up although like you I rarely seal my charcoal and pastels if they have been smudged and/or activated with water. That technique for using the pans by taking them out of the pans - that sounds amazing and I am going to give it a try in about five minutes. Thanks, again! Kelly
@@BookandPaperArts Have fun with them!
Re casein, I do a lot of wet and dry application with charcoal, pastel, and graphite. Dusting and transfer usually isn't a problem, but sometimes it will be. I refuse absolutely to use Krylon sealant. It's way too flammable, and I need most of my brain cells, thanks. So I looked up what artists did before we got all these aerosol solvents and petroleum by-products, and it all came back to good old milk-extract casein. I even saw a demonstration of how 19th century artists would stretch sketch paper or fabric (canvas or linen) on stretchers and then fix their charcoal drawings by painting casein on the back of the paper or fabric and letting it soak through to adhere to the charcoal. I thought that was really interesting. Anyway, I use casein for fixing/sealing and for layering between different water media, like layering diluted inks over watercolor washes.
@@jenfries6417love the sound of this and will research how to get some- any hints on that? I appreciate your info along with Kelly’s it makes this medium very attractive
@@reginaeid1568 You can get casein from any art supplier. There are several brands. Right now, I'm using the Degas brand of spray casein fixative from SpectraFix. If you want to make your own, there are plenty of demos on RUclips for how to cook skim milk to extract the casein. It's pretty easy, though maybe not cost effective if you'll be using a lot of it. (You could make casein fixative and your own homemade ricotta cheese at the same time.) Frankly, you don't really have to extract the casein at all, but it is a lot less smelly than just fixing drawings with straight milk.
I have that box, and I really like the colors and the way they work. They also work well on a surface with a layer of gesso.
Thanks for that tip, Lisbeth. I will try a layer of gesso tomorrow to see if it adds slip and depth. Kelly
@@BookandPaperArts if you are interested I released a video this last monday (monday mornings mixed media piece week 6) where I used the box and gesso
Thanks for treating us to three new videos this week, each one informative and inspirational! I adore the effects you get with these charcoal goodies but, like pastels, I really lack the confidence to use them as much as I’d like. Look forward to future videos to see them in action! 😊🥰❤️
Hi Sandra. Three videos. I don't know what came over me! As for confidence to use your supplies well, this won't do at all. Like pastels these things last for ages so just get out some scrap paper - I sometimes work on the back of paper pieces that didn't turn out great (you know the kind I mean😺) but I hate to waste them so I turn them over and hey, presto, space to practice and rehearse just for fun. Try it and keep me posted.
Thank you for showing off these Derwent charcoal pigments! I have several different Derwent sets and love them! I am adding these to my list!
Hi Susan. I am crazy about Derwent, too, and their sets tend to last forever. Give these a try although as I said, my faves may be the sticks and they were only about $2 each (£1.55)!
I have a set of the Derwent Tinted Charcoal pencils and I love them! I've discovered that if one uses a lighter hand when drawing/mark making the colour becomes more evident in the mountain blue, peat, lavender and moss. I also have one called Elderberry which is a lovely blue.
Thanks for the tip, Myra. I am going to try a lighter hand and see if the colour comes through a bit more. I do like them as is but it would be even more charming to see some of those purples and blues. Kelly
Your channel attracted me for the antique vibe of colors.
I went for the Tinted Graphitint 12 set.
My two small pan sets I do travel with💚
Derwent has great art material🖌️🎨🐾📚
Hi there, Sabine. I am crazy about Derwent and for my money their sets last a long time. I really love the graphite chunky XL sticks that are water soluble and wish they came in a small stick size for travel. Thanks for touching base! Kelly
Fun experimenting with new products! Thanks!
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My mouth waters when i see these beautiful colours! No, honestly!!!🤣 I love your channel and look forward to your other videos!
Thank you❤
Hi Sorrel. I understand. Weird how grey can be so evocative but why not? It is the colour of clouds and water and mist and shadows and stone. Of course they are tantalising. Thanks for the vote of confidence! Kelly
Oooh, more goodies to buy!😁 Thanks Kelly!
Hi Katie. I am actually on the cheap side when it comes to spending real money on art supplies (also, it keeps me from buying stuff just because it's pretty but that I am actually less likely to use 😺) so buying two whole sets was a leap and I am so happy I did.
@@BookandPaperArts I actually probably won’t buy these, or maybe just the charcoal sticks. I have the Derwent Graphitint pencils and the water soluble Sketching pencils. I also have the Gansai Tambi Graphite Colors watercolor paints that are really awesome.
Kelly, thank you for all these detailed and tried examples!! I love watching you work...and smudge. BTW, you never showed us the new pencil sharpener for these gems. Maybe you just wanted to wait 'til they each got a bit duller tip first! Glad your enjoying your new purchase and can't wait to see what you create with them. I'm guessing churches will be at the VERY TOP of your list! :)
Hi Miss Lynn. Well, the thing is that I did try the special pastel sharpener as charcoal and pastel pencils are a b*tch and break if you look at them too hard and was so hopeful and turns out IT'S JUST A PENCIL SHARPENER like all the rest of them and my tips still broke and I decided not to add that to the video. Blergh. 😺Kelly
What a great demo, and I will def look into these because the color is amazing❤
Yeah, Regina, this was a good call. I work so much in old stone and faded colours that I had to have these. Also, I had a windfall (normally I am kind of cheap) and this was where it went! Kelly
Nice demo, my fav was slate blue
Hi Theresa, that slate blue is really evocative. I also want to try working more with that thistle shade and see if I can get more of that.
How fun was this? I’m going to watch it again and make notes and possibly see if I have them already or order them! Thank you and I look forward to the next video
Hi Margaret. I am deeply infatuated with these shades and how subtle but meaningful the differences are. A whole world of shadow shades. Hope you try them and keep me posted. Kelly
There's something about the tinted charcoal pans that just doesn't agree with me. I feel like I have to scrub a lot to get a decent amount of paint and I end up fearing for my brushes, lol. Love the pencils and blocks, though.
You are not mistaken. It's not that they are a threat to the brushes so much as it is just a much lighter palette than I expected. I also have their graphite-tinted pan paints and found the same. Also, they dry so so so quickly that yeah, that could make for some messy brush stuff. The cool thing is I liked the little sticks the best and they were only about £1.45 ($1.75) each. Win win win!
If you would like to learn how to make and keep your own illustrated journal, I have an online class THE BOOK OF YOU. You can find it here ($35):
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Hey Kelly, maybe you should have titled this one "50 Shades of Grey"?? 😁😁
Peter, I'll have you know that I MADE myself not use that title. I was sooooooo tempted and who knows, the RUclips algorithm gods might have given me a boost, but I decided to keep it dignified. And boring. 😺
They can't be reactivated when they're dry correct maybe one could paint over them but not actually eliminate them
I believe that's correct. But you can add them in layers as they (the pan paints) have a translucency to them.
Are these permanent when they are dry 11:48
I think they are permanent when dry although I have thoroughly tested it to be sure, but most watersolubles are.