That was when you pressured them to create offense vs a simple tough defensive system that they couldn't buy a shot attempt on a Zamboni that couldn't stop his first few shots.
As funny as that Joke is, The turning point was Game 1 when the Leafs barely sqeeked out a win against the Sens and all of us Leaf fans were left with more questions then answers
Honestly the leafs just dug themselves in a hole too deep to get out of. Patrick Kane and Toews were both getting paid $6.5 million from 2011 to 2015 and if you looked at Chicago's championship rosters they were stacked. Even Crosby never got paid like Matthews is. Kadri and Clifford on the same leafs roster wouldve been scary. Leafs just dont have complete players like Marchand, Toews, Kopitar, Bergeron, or Ryan O'Reilly. Leafs have alot of problems but those contracts are the main issue.
WhatMax - you can still compare it though. I think the point was that those top Chicago players at the time were playing for well below their market value which allowed them to round out the roster with a lot more depth. Just having more money to go around outside those top line forwards makes a big difference
I think Matthews can turn into one of those guys. He is improving on the defensive side and is already better than most of them offensively. What the Leafs can't win with is having plugs like Ceci, Marincin and Barrie making up half their D
@@Hurricanesfan123 I most certainly can make those comparisons. Pastranak $6.7 since 2017, Horvat $5.5 since 2017, Kyle Connor $7.1 since 2019, Draisaitl $8.5 since 2017, Elias Lindholm $4.9 since 2018. If anything, reasonable contracts on the high side today would be around $8.8 and even then Sebastian Aho signed for $8.5 last year.
@@Hurricanesfan123 yes you can cus it only went up 10 mill and every player who was on 6.5 now wants 10 11m and 2 players later that cap is gone but you 4-8 guys wanting that money
@@jerrygreig9506 He did not. The team did. Kadri was playing with softies,who would not stand up for anyone. Everything fell on Kadri and he collapsed at having to do everything on his own.
Everyone got mad at him for the suspensions and forgot that he was actually a really great depth player for the Leafs. They got nothing for him either. He'll go on to thrive in Colorado and what will the Leafs have to show for it? The leafs can only trade Johansson, nylander, and Kasperi... The other contracts are too ugly to move. This team is on the brink of needing another rebuild. If they could move Marner it would be amazing. But I don't see how they can without eating at least 3 M of that contract.
They’ll be forced to do more than that. After they recover their cap space from expiring contracts, they’ll have $4.1m to re-sign or replace Mikhayev, Barrie, Ceci, Dermott, Spezza, Clifford, Malgin, and Gauthier. This is where the LTIR stuff bites them in the ass. They’re going to need more than that just to resign Mikhayev, never mind all those other guys. All of those guys are basically (or literally) league minimum contracts besides Ceci, and Barrie. So if any of those roster spots cost more than $750k they’d have to factor that in. As it is, they have about $4.1m to pay about $17.8m worth of roster spots- the majority of which make the lowest allowed currently. The most logical piece to move is one of the main 3 players as well as Nylander, but none of that will happen. Matthews isn’t going anywhere. Tavares and Marner, nobody will take them at $11m in an equal trade, or even a trade where Toronto doesn’t feel they got screwed. Nylander is possible, but won’t happen. He’s marginally overpaid, and with the flat cap, there aren’t many teams that will be looking to take him on at $7m. He also has skill, so Toronto isn’t going to want to move him as if it was a cap dump. O-Dog alludes to it here, I’ve been saying it forever. You will not build a successful hockey team when you pay 3 players 42% of the cap, and 4 players 51%. The Leafs screwed themselves by signing the entire team (more or less) based on what the salary cap might be, not what it is. I’m not sure how you get out negotiated by absolutely everyone, but there’s 2 choices for salaries on the Leafs right now. Option 1: Get paid absolute league minimum or ELC $650-900k. Option 2: Overpaid by 20% or more than any other team in the league would offer.
probably the only Leaf that showed up to the series with heart. He wanted to go all the way. The old man actually got into a fight to try and get his team going. He deserves better than the Leafs.
@@HousewolfDaddy They're gonna have to do something crazy with Colorado or Ottawa. Someone that's willing to take two big contracts and send some quality defense in return. They're going to get hosed, but it's either that or a rebuild.
They shud try to hire a younger GM with less experience that lives in a more ridiculous fantasy world where 2 players, instead of 4, can carry an entire hockey team.
@Don Juan we need like at least 4 more years of Dubas to see it through. I think he's going in strong with paying the core then plugging in players who have cheap contracts or AHLers who are hungry for a shot. Its been working for other teams for the past 10 years. The stars we have are young, realistically you don't expect 23 year olds to carry a team to the cup. That rarely happens.
Who would take that contract? Marner has 25 playoff games under his belt with nothing to show for them. Great player awful contract and he's a ghost in the playoffs.
bowman really changed yzerman. he basically said, “hey you can put up 162 points, but that wont get you a cup.” yzerman changed his game to the two way style and thats when the cups came.
The best contract on the leafs roster is Hyman. Plays on the first line, gritty, hardworking and makes things happen. And yet he is only making 2.25 a season.
Tom Wilson is one of the most valuable players in the league for what he brings to the table. Very rare to come across a player who can fight anyone, produce with top line minutes and play a defensively sound game.
Man I wanted O-Dog to LOSE IT like he did on Marner during those contract negotiations or when they lost to Carolina and David Ayers. But, yes 3 players with 8 figure salary caps is beyond stupid.
I think what they need is a couple big bruising Defenseman who do not score much but can hammer guys along the boards. These players generally come quite cheap as their game is just banging and hitting and are not expected to score. They play the Penalty kill but not the power play. Cici, Marincin, and Barrie should go. Maybe Dermott too.
Barries gone after this year anyway. Ideally they should try to bring in Travis Hamonic during free agency. He’s the epitome of a leader for that young team and definitely brings a ton of grit to the table.
that whole Tyson Barrie trade was a complete failure... why he keeps drafting offensively minded forwards and defense when this team has no difficulty generating offense, or trading for offensively minded players with little defensive awareness is baffling... Jake Muzzin was a great pickup but we need other defensemen (or forwards) who can play the body and are aware in their own end... Barrie's offense was eviscerated just as soon as he arrived in Toronto and he plays on the first power play unit
@@dinimonator987 Yes I do have a player in mind. That guy who plays for that other team. You know who I mean? He has a jersey, wears skates, has a helmet and says "Obviously" several times during interviews. THAT guy. Bring him here and the leafs will improve.
I know we wait over 50 years have a ton of talent and we picking analytics guy who thinks he’s going to Reinvent the game and win a cup it’s so crazy. Pick a real Gm that knows how a team really wins in the playoffs.
i mean marchand (before 2016-17) and bergeron (before 2014-15) signed their contracts a long time ago. so yeah they’re gonna be cheaper than stars who signed in the last year or two. pastrnak took a discount i think
Keep Kadri and Marner would have been the correct answer. Keep the Toronto allstars for Toronto. Getting rid of Kadri was the stupidest move ever. The short answer is get rid of Dubas.
Its simple you need depth on your team and a goalie who can go on a run - St.Louis won the cup because up and down their line-up they are very deep and have the quality to play any line against you. The Maple leafs have front load their team, they lack quality on the 3rd and 4th lines and the defense is bare bones.
@@ShawnBlaque Riley is not going any where Heyes is of his rocker thinking they would trade MO it's there only d man the rest are just called d men they don't play defence
@@langdonalger9219 Agreed, Muzzin's a hard-working and responsible defenseman and should be kept around for that reason. There's a reason our play went downhill (in both the series and the season) when he was out.
I’d trade Marner. You should be able to get something good for him. This is a team with no heart. The team the way it is will never go anywhere. I’m hoping for a second Toronto team so I have someone to cheer for. I’m tired of this organization.
What has he done for the club? Is he better than a 3 D on any other team?. His stock is only high because lead fans say so. He's slow. He gets beat on D by other teams elite and not so elite forwards and he can't put up points. Mediocre at best.
Trade everyone. Marner, Reilly, Matthews, Tavares, Andersen. Get mad picks, start again. This rebuild was totally botched. Toronto has done it all wrong. They'll never win with this team and they're gonna have to do a full rebuild in 10 years anyways. Leafs fans are gullible enough to think they have a chance, like they've been for 68 years, so they'll keep buying merch and tickets, but at the end of the day this team is a joke and needs a full restart.
Marner has to go, simple as that. If any of the big-3 have to go, it’s him. You simply can’t have that much money tied up in 3 players, then have someone like Cody Ceci playing over 20 minutes a night. However, I do have to sympathize for them a bit, Barrie couldn’t have performed any worse than they expected. That’s coming from a Detroit fan.
@@tcantin2321 He is worth 11 but like you said that is a huge fucking contract to take on. Kid put up 97 last season and 67 in just 59 games this season.
@@vergy Perhaps, would need to dig the advanced stats to see who profits from who and determine which one is truly overpaid. All in all, none has been a bargain.
Marner is a scrub and what’s most annoying about him is he demanded Matthews money and dude only scored 16 goals season & playoffs absolutely disgusting production
Trade marner for an excellent piece on the blue line. O dog is right, it does two things shakes up the roster and addresses a need. Trading third and forth liners isn’t going to do shit. If you want something good, you have to give up something good
They traded for Barrie also which was dumb because he’s good offensively and wasn’t even that this year really, not great defensively and not much bite to his game
Mikko lehtonen was a stud in the khl it’ll be interesting to see how he fits in people already forgot about him so fast even though there was a sweepstakes for him.
@@ajiboy1919 Mikko Lehtonen is amazing! He was just so superior when he played for my home team HV71 in SHL when we won the gold in 2017. Had most ice time of all players and never made a misstake on the ice.
The three stooges jaw about needing to make changes on a team near the cap limit and also dont want the team to trade any high salary players...great analysis guys.
@Joshua Sousa 🤝👏 Yes Captain Morgan Rielly nobody seems to realize that when he was injured this season there was a huge mentality change in the locker room they became complacent with losing Rielly shows up game in and game out and leaves his heart out there definitely should have gotten the C but truly taking it off Tavares is damaging as well. They should have just keep the four assistant captains so each person are equally accountable now alot of the blame shifts towards JT because he is the captain even though he worked his ass off in this series as well
Problem is the “gritty” guys leafs do have didn’t even play that way in the series the only guy I saw out ther finishing checks was Mathews...I believe Keefe’s system does not require you to finish checks or play physical but to create loose pucks from stick placement...which doesn’t work in playoff formats. Dubas was the only mistake shanahan made since coming to Toronto...Lou was better and mark hunter would have been a better choice. Dubas will be given another year and than relieved but another year off of contracts the will lose!
Don’t bring back Barrie that’s step 1. Sign a stay at home dman or 2 that have experience. Not a Ceci, but someone who actually has history of being reliable. I know guys like Tanev or Manson are nice and shiny for potential offseason moves but guess what-they’re gonna cost you a pretty decent price! So you may need to take a shot at a cheaper defensive first option. Pysyk out of Florida is a UFA. Hamonic out of Calgary. I’m spit balling. Are they amazing? Definitely not, but hey maybe they fit the system and it could be worth a shot at a cheaper price because this team can’t be spending too much Sign or trade for a two way hockey player (or a few) that have some decent size. Shouldn’t be a 5’10 or under player. Bring some size to your lineup. Every offseason there’s usually quite a few two way role players. Go for one of em. Explore trading options with one or two of Johnsson, Kapanen, maybe even Nylander. If you want defensive help, sorry but maybe 2 of them have to go. Gotta clear some money. All in all, you’d bring in size, strength, two way hockey and a reliable shutdown option. And you lose a few skill guys. Them being so tight to the cap isn’t helping either so I’d say definitely explore a Nylander trading option but you might not have to. They brought in that Barbanov guy from Russia for next season and he’s more than likely an NHL player. Nick Robertson should most definitely be on the Leafs roster next season. So that’s two players that can already help fill the void of a “skill player” role. Get some physical, reliable players this offseason and dish out a couple of skill players they already have because this whole all out offense approach isn’t working. They don’t have to blow up this team. Keep Matthews-Tavares-Marner together. THAT should be your first line based on what they did together. Learn from that Boston, Colorado first line approach where they stack the first line. Try to see if they can mold Nylander into that second line center although he’s struggled in that position before. They’re not far off from being a more complete team but they keep making moves for all these skill or one dimensional players. This should be a wake up call
brownboy2340 luckily I’m a bruins fan lol but the leafs really aren’t that far away from making their team more complete than people think. It’s gonna have to take a big move or 2 though
CpnStbn12 pass like Thornton is a stretch! Thornton will go down as one of the best pure playmakers the league will ever see. And the funny thing is, Thornton had a MISSILE of a shot that he rarely chose to use 😂
And are shit lol. Tavares missed 2 empty net shots in the last game. Must be painful watching someone making that much make house league hockey mistakes.
They have Clifford? Albeit on the fourth line, but how many 'tough guys' are actually in the league anymore than can play anywhere past the third line... Few and far between, especially ones that another team is going to trade.
Most people have been saying since Dubas handed 4 forwards half the payroll. THAT WON'T WORK. The team needs balance and the Leafs are WAY OUT OF BALANCE!!! This isn't rocket science no matter how hard Dubas and his "abalytics community" try to make it that. FIRE DUBAS NOW!!!
The sad thing is that for all of the talent that someone like Marner has... a team might be like "We love Mitch, we think that he can be a top five winger in this league, he has all the skill in the world... but you're going to have to take back (insert terrible contract here) just for us to afford him." And that's not really accomplishing much if you make that deal.
It's a terrible contract. He's a great talent but horrifically overpaid and now you'll never get rid of him. Dubas made some huge Gamble's and completely busted. Leafs will need a rebuild in 4 years and unless their young defensemen blow up they're going to suffer.
Lol the wings totally changed just from 96 to 97. They were "worse" points wise but way more complete with Shanny, Kocur etc. Imagine the polished leafs getting a kocur...
@@epicphailure88 because they brought up how long it took for ovechkin and yzerman. Comparing the actual team to one that win is hilarious and no one really is
@@wingsfan1450 I love how Washington's Cup win in 2018 is now the new example and hope for teams that fall short every year. Toronto has a long way to go before even reaching a San Jose/Ottawa/Washington level of regular season dominance. Toronto may be further behind than we thought.
They need to dump the over paid players and get lots of medium type players like Kadri, Bozak. JVR , Reimer because they are all in the playoffs right now
Reimer was the future of this team. The turning point was when Brian Gionta knocked him into the net. Things just went downhill from there. Francois Allaire ruined 3 goalies that could have been our future in Gustavsson, Toskala, and of course Reimer. He tried to change their style. Then that disappointing historical collapse happened and they threw him under the bus and brought in a goalie we didn't even need in Bernier who was FAR worse than Reimer. We had a great goaltending tandem in Reimer and Scrivens But Bernier at the time was NOT a starter And Carlyle Leeched his confidence by giving Bernier the starting job when he didn't deserve it. Then when Babcock was hired he made Reimer the starter because he knew Reimer was the better goalie. Despite the was he was treated by management and fans tweeting about his wife he wanted to stay in Toronto regardless. Also Reimer was outstanding in shootouts. Signaficantly better in them than Bernier and Andersen. However Dubas, Shanahan, and Keefe ALL need to be shown the door. Dubas will probably do nothing in the offseason as he always does and we will have another disappointing season. Well Done Shanny! way to set the team backwards by hiring a GM that is inexperienced, Should have hired Hunter. I hope you pay the price for all of this
@Kai Wong and Kadri is still in the first round. Where y'all at? Haha. Don't be salty. If you haven't noticed the Avs are far better off then the leafs in almost every aspect. These are facts. If Kadri chokes, there's plenty of talent that can take his place in our roster which is more then what I can say for the leafs. Dubas really fucked that team hard haha.
@@RoamHockey I said IF. I never said he was going to. But if it happens. But I agree. AVS will benefit as they just did. Kadri just scored so it's a big win for us. Toronto fans are salty because they lost the only grit on the team and gave it up to a team that's going to go far. Don't give them the time haha.
they weren't "missing " anything at the beginning of the season. these clowns where putting the Leafs above teams like Boston and Tampa. they should play " "Entrance of the Gladiators " whenever these guys are on the screen.( look it up )..
Obviously I'm a canes fan but if I were the leafs I would trade nylander or robertson for a right handed d-man like possibly Dumba or Suter (if hes right handed, I dont know) but there are plenty of teams that could use offense from players like Nylander or Robertson and I feel they might be willing to trade a right handed D for it Also thank you O Dog for calling out the Leafs for having players make 11 million, that really made my day
@@ryancrits8180 that is almost offensive. Slavin should've at least been nominated for the Norris and you think I want some bum that cant score when it matters most and makes $7 million!? The only way for me to even consider that is if he was packaged with 2 first rounders no strings attached and even then I would still laugh in your face for that
Nylander won't even get Slavin's skate laces! A good option for us is Brett Pesce on the Canes. A Nylander for Pesce trade value-wise is pretty even (even though, the Canes still probably wouldn't do it). If we're getting Slavin, we pretty much have to trade Matthews.
I disagree completely. They have a few big honkin’ holes in their game. One is defence and the other is grit up front. Possibly goaltending could be better but Anderson is great when he has support. They will have to sacrifice some offence to create a more balanced, complete team. I don’t think a rebuild is the answer.
I see no reason to rebuild especially with how young most of this team is. They have issues to address but rebuilding isn’t the way to go when your best players are all young.
We should be more into individual player offensive stats. To have guys in the top10 is really fun & that is wk after wk. Can take so much pride from that & we have way more players there than the others. Let’s focus on that!
Gerard Gallant would be the perfect one for Leafs, they would learn how to defend and how to work daily. But I don't hope Keefe gets fired, it's still a short period that he have been coaching the Leafs. We have to get rid of some forwards and get that stronger def. Probably we should think our playstyle, we should focus more on defensive side. If we defend better, we have all the skill to score goals we need if we defend better and if we don't allow 4-5 goals in every game. And this is just my opinion, nothing more. Im a big Leafs fan from Finland, I hope Dubas and Keefe are gonna do something to make our playstyle even a bit more defensive. In the end, it's all about work.
The whole core is flawed. In the playoffs, you need guys that can play a two-way heavy game like Bergeron, Toews, O'reilly, Couturier, Dubious, etc can. That's why guys like Matthews, Tavares, Crosby, McDavid got bounced early. Even if you trade Nylander, you're not getting back fair value since teams know how desperate you are. It will be like the Hall for Larsson trade all over again. What's a joke is how Nylander, Marner both held out, got their money, then failed to show up when the team needed them. Same thing with Tavares. On top of that, how do you trade a gritty guy like Kadri, who plays the exact style of game you need in the playoffs, for an offensive defenseman, who was garbage in his own end, and will walk this summer? When the trade was made, I was thinking really? You couldn't get a guy back who is defensive minded with some term? Andersen can only do so much with how much of a tire fire the Leafs are in their own end. They literally just throw the puck away in danger areas like it's nothing, and have 4 guys covering one guy.
Yep yep and yep. Playoff hockey is almost a different sport than regular season hockey, a big reason for that being officiating. It’s not as bad as it was in 90s, but still different. The difference in reg season hockey vs playoff hockey would be like if the NFL was a flag football league the first 16 games, then tackle football for the playoffs. Therefor you need to build a team based on playoff standards.
Mathias Eckholm, perfect solution. Nashville needs scoring, so leafs need to do whatever they can to get him. He’s the perfect defenseman that the leafs are missing. Something has to change.
Nashville will not trade for any leafs forward because of the cap space. Ekholm contract is really good for them, they would not give it a high payed forward.
Defense, 3rd and 4th lines need secondary scoring and all around skills improvements. Someone of either Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, has to go so your able to add those pieces.
Management ruined this team like wtf were they thinking paying Marner, Matthew and tavares 10+ mil.. only Tavares is actually proven and tested but the others hell no...
I will tell you what you need, two solid defensive pairings, and offensive depth. You have one top line and average D at best. Your goalie saves you most of the time but you cant always rely on that.
Marner and Nylander are the movable pieces, but absolutely they need to have the right pieces moving back. And I would keep mango and kappy for my top line with Matthews. They would be able to build chemistry and play hard.
Leafs made a big mistake with mark hunter and this team would look alot different with him in house still. Mark should have been our GM not this kid dubas.
Just tired of it all. Been 60 years of excuses minus five under Quinn and two under Burns. What do you expect when you put all your emphasis on young immature players and no respect for keeping the puck out of the net. You have four defenseman that aren't NHL D Men.
I thank god every day I'm not a Leafs fan. How hard is this to understand? YOU HAVE NO DEFENCE. You have to get defence at any means necessary right now. Good lord.
Structure is a bigger problem for toronto than lack of talent on the blue-line, Pittsburgh didn't have much talent on the blueline in 2017, they were even missing Letang, it's a lack of role players that's the main problem
This team has gone as far as it can go in it's current state. They actually seem to have regressed from 2017 when they gave the Capitals a much more feisty test than they did this year against Columbus. They gave up some skilled size in JVR and grit in Kadri and never seemed to have replaced it. Shanahan and Dubas need to pull a page out of Masai Ujiri's playback and make a bold move like Ujiri did when he went out and got Kawhi Leonard. Perhaps look around the league and see if there's a star player that may want out of his current situation and offer up someone like Marner or Matthews. Wonder if Conner McDavid has had enough of Edmonton?
The Leafs are too light and peripheral. They have too many light, soft guys who can't get inside or sustain a forecheck. They have a D who can't stop the cycle or clear the front of the net. Clearly, they need to move out some peripheral players and look to fill their roles with heavier guys like Egor Korshov who although only put up a modest 25 pts in 40 games with the Marlies is 6'4", 220 lbs, plays a physical game and can skate. They should be looking to move Nylander, Kerfoot and Johnsson for a D like David Savard...not a sexy puck moving guy, but a guy who can stop the cycle, clear the front of the net, block shots and make a first pass under pressure. They should be looking to use that Barrie/Ceci money going out the door to sign such a D. AND they should be looking to trade for a guy like Josh Anderson, a guy who will crash the net, get in hard on the forecheck and can score. They should also give Campbell more opportunities next year to see if he can sustain some success. They're going to have to resign Andersen and Rielly...they might not be able to do both, so they had better start looking for a replacement for Andersen who, although a very good goalie...has let in weak goals in all the deciding games he's played in including with Anaheim.
The fact that Spezza, a 37-year old veteran who throughout his career was primarily known for being a fancy skill guy, showed more grit and energy than any other Leafs player out there, tells you everything you need to know about this sorry ass hockey organization. Some moves I would like to see made before next season if I was a Leafs fan: - Fire Dubas - Trade away Marner and/or Nylander in exchange for a handful of quality top nine forwards with physicality and a mean streak to their game. In other words Zach Hyman type of players - Make Matthews, the true cornerstone of this franchise, your captain. Tavares with the C on his chest just ain’t gonna cut it - Every team needs a defenseman capable of putting up numbers and running the PP. Barrie is a better true offensive Dman than Rielly imo. Therefor I would explore the trade market with Rielly in search of some gritty, experienced Dmen to keep opposing forwards honest - especially come playoff time. - Extend Jason Spezza already
Started watching this was in agreement until they mentioned Freddie Anderson. I was like “huh?” Then realized it was from 2 years ago!…I’m living in a time loop!
Tampa is built in a similar way as the Leafs, but at least they have two-way, heavy guys like Cirelli, Maroon, Goodrow, Killorn, Coleman, Joseph, Palat, Paquette, etc. They also have a solid defense with Hedman, Sergachev, Cernak, McDonagh, Coburn, Bogosian.
Andersen is another Patrick Lalime. Always lets in leaky goals in big games. He MUST go. Ignore anyone who says otherwise. If they want to win, get a new goalie, ditch 2 of the big 4 up front, and play the trap. But Leafs management wont do any of that.
You’re an idiot. Do you know what his save percentage is? Also wow take away one goal from 3-0 loss, THEY STILL DIDNT SCORE. What do you expect the goalie to get goals? You’re a tool
As a goalie I see a lot of good with Andersen. However, playing with panic stricken defenders slotted way about their skill level makes a goalies job WAY harder. Yes there have been a few squeakers over the last few years, but look at the defensive help. Even in gm 5 against CBJ....the second goal from the sharpe angle. The team made a horrible change left Marincin of all people all alone and he played it horribly. He didn't take the shot, he didn't block the pass, so Andersen naturally was getting ready to potentially make a save and potentially have to move across the crease for a pass...luckily the guy shot right where Andersens legs had to be slightly open so that he could get ready for that push across. Andersen had all other holes closed off. If Marincin takes away the pass, like he is supposed to, and allows his goalie to square up to the shooter and it goes in....then it is on Andersen. If he committed all to the shooter and he passed, the guy in front would have an empty net. Tough position to put the goalie in.
anybody else here after another disgraceful playoff performance against Montreal thinking that this video is exactly applicable in 2021 too? fucking Leafs, man
Most of the leafs cap is tied up in 4 players who's strength is offense. Poss dubas thought the cap would go up more the last two yrs it hasn't and now all teams are basically stuck with a flat cap next yr or two. Leafs still have excellent talent in their top 6 but it's basically one dimensional. Nylander seems like the logical one to trade.
The turning point of the leafs season was when they lost to a Zamboni driver
Their miner team zamboni driver 😅
True
That was when you pressured them to create offense vs a simple tough defensive system that they couldn't buy a shot attempt on a Zamboni that couldn't stop his first few shots.
As funny as that Joke is, The turning point was Game 1 when the Leafs barely sqeeked out a win against the Sens and all of us Leaf fans were left with more questions then answers
Agreed 👍
As a Leaf fan not having a first round pick and not being in the playoffs feels like home.
Honestly the leafs just dug themselves in a hole too deep to get out of. Patrick Kane and Toews were both getting paid $6.5 million from 2011 to 2015 and if you looked at Chicago's championship rosters they were stacked. Even Crosby never got paid like Matthews is.
Kadri and Clifford on the same leafs roster wouldve been scary. Leafs just dont have complete players like Marchand, Toews, Kopitar, Bergeron, or Ryan O'Reilly. Leafs have alot of problems but those contracts are the main issue.
WhatMax - you can still compare it though. I think the point was that those top Chicago players at the time were playing for well below their market value which allowed them to round out the roster with a lot more depth. Just having more money to go around outside those top line forwards makes a big difference
I think Matthews can turn into one of those guys. He is improving on the defensive side and is already better than most of them offensively. What the Leafs can't win with is having plugs like Ceci, Marincin and Barrie making up half their D
@@Hurricanesfan123 I most certainly can make those comparisons. Pastranak $6.7 since 2017, Horvat $5.5 since 2017, Kyle Connor $7.1 since 2019, Draisaitl $8.5 since 2017, Elias Lindholm $4.9 since 2018.
If anything, reasonable contracts on the high side today would be around $8.8 and even then Sebastian Aho signed for $8.5 last year.
@@Hurricanesfan123 yes you can cus it only went up 10 mill and every player who was on 6.5 now wants 10 11m and 2 players later that cap is gone but you 4-8 guys wanting that money
Imagine comparing contracts from 2011 and 2020. Braindead opinion that is meant to stay on twitter with all of the other garbage hockey "enthusiasts."
Lol imagine the Leafs winning a trade. We legit lost Kadri for nothing.
Barrie was a major major let down he should have been the right handed Morgan Reilly and he was a flop
@@Hockeykid6767 Kadri signed his own departure ticket from Toronto, pulled dick move two playoff years in a row.
@@joedirt9600 and now he owns the NHL record for latest game-winning playoff goal and probably will hold that record for all time!
@@TheHotmitch lol
This comment is idiotic. Kerfoot is not "nothing"
there's this guy who can score and plays with a lot of sandpaper in his game in Colorado... Nazem Kadri.
He blew his chance getting suspended two playoffs in a row
@@jerrygreig9506 He did not. The team did. Kadri was playing with softies,who would not stand up for anyone. Everything fell on Kadri and he collapsed at having to do everything on his own.
I miss Kadri playing for the leafs. But I’m glad he’s having success and is happy on the Av’s
Doofus wanted skill players like gutless 34
Everyone got mad at him for the suspensions and forgot that he was actually a really great depth player for the Leafs.
They got nothing for him either. He'll go on to thrive in Colorado and what will the Leafs have to show for it?
The leafs can only trade Johansson, nylander, and Kasperi... The other contracts are too ugly to move. This team is on the brink of needing another rebuild.
If they could move Marner it would be amazing. But I don't see how they can without eating at least 3 M of that contract.
I bet the only thing they do in the off-season is get rid of Spezza. Thats how dumb the Leafs are with managing a team.
I hear Scott Gomez is looking for a team lol
They’ll be forced to do more than that. After they recover their cap space from expiring contracts, they’ll have $4.1m to re-sign or replace Mikhayev, Barrie, Ceci, Dermott, Spezza, Clifford, Malgin, and Gauthier. This is where the LTIR stuff bites them in the ass. They’re going to need more than that just to resign Mikhayev, never mind all those other guys. All of those guys are basically (or literally) league minimum contracts besides Ceci, and Barrie. So if any of those roster spots cost more than $750k they’d have to factor that in. As it is, they have about $4.1m to pay about $17.8m worth of roster spots- the majority of which make the lowest allowed currently.
The most logical piece to move is one of the main 3 players as well as Nylander, but none of that will happen. Matthews isn’t going anywhere. Tavares and Marner, nobody will take them at $11m in an equal trade, or even a trade where Toronto doesn’t feel they got screwed. Nylander is possible, but won’t happen. He’s marginally overpaid, and with the flat cap, there aren’t many teams that will be looking to take him on at $7m. He also has skill, so Toronto isn’t going to want to move him as if it was a cap dump.
O-Dog alludes to it here, I’ve been saying it forever. You will not build a successful hockey team when you pay 3 players 42% of the cap, and 4 players 51%. The Leafs screwed themselves by signing the entire team (more or less) based on what the salary cap might be, not what it is. I’m not sure how you get out negotiated by absolutely everyone, but there’s 2 choices for salaries on the Leafs right now. Option 1: Get paid absolute league minimum or ELC $650-900k. Option 2: Overpaid by 20% or more than any other team in the league would offer.
You're probably right, sadly.
probably the only Leaf that showed up to the series with heart. He wanted to go all the way. The old man actually got into a fight to try and get his team going. He deserves better than the Leafs.
@@HousewolfDaddy They're gonna have to do something crazy with Colorado or Ottawa. Someone that's willing to take two big contracts and send some quality defense in return. They're going to get hosed, but it's either that or a rebuild.
They shud try to hire a younger GM with less experience that lives in a more ridiculous fantasy world where 2 players, instead of 4, can carry an entire hockey team.
Reminder that hockey is NOT like the NBA and MLB
@Shawnaldo75 atleast Edmonton didn´t overpay their player, they stil got arguably the two best players in the league
O-dog,the big difference is those guys you mentioned got the big bucks when they proved themselves,not paid from day 1
agreed. ovi scored 200 goals in his first four seasons and sid won a cup.
Sounds like Eugene Melnyk was right when he said "looks like the Leafs forgot about their defense"
The Kadri trade was indicative of serious evaluation problem amongst top management of this team. Team lacks grit.
Kadri was an absolute complete player.
@@xCestLaVie1 A playoff player. In a tough game vs Boston, who wouldn't want to be on the ice with Kadri?
@Don Juan Maybe Shanahan deserves that but I think Dubas either has to see the light or be gone.
@Don Juan we need like at least 4 more years of Dubas to see it through. I think he's going in strong with paying the core then plugging in players who have cheap contracts or AHLers who are hungry for a shot. Its been working for other teams for the past 10 years. The stars we have are young, realistically you don't expect 23 year olds to carry a team to the cup. That rarely happens.
the Kadri mistake still punishes.....
Go back to six teams and they might win another cup
Not even. You'd have to take Boston out as well😁
Unlikely
Theyd still have 4 players eating up half the cap.
I want to see if kraken will reck them
Who would take that contract? Marner has 25 playoff games under his belt with nothing to show for them. Great player awful contract and he's a ghost in the playoffs.
bowman really changed yzerman. he basically said, “hey you can put up 162 points, but that wont get you a cup.” yzerman changed his game to the two way style and thats when the cups came.
GoWings LGRW very true. Mathews is just about Mathews, no heart
The best contract on the leafs roster is Hyman. Plays on the first line, gritty, hardworking and makes things happen. And yet he is only making 2.25 a season.
We need a Guy like Tom Wilson
Every team wants a Tom Wilson...
CBJ has made Anderson available. I
Clifford was on 4th line. A wilson is hard to find to play on first line.
You had Matt Martin... you gave him back to Lou and the Islanders!
Tom Wilson is one of the most valuable players in the league for what he brings to the table. Very rare to come across a player who can fight anyone, produce with top line minutes and play a defensively sound game.
Man I wanted O-Dog to LOSE IT like he did on Marner during those contract negotiations or when they lost to Carolina and David Ayers.
But, yes 3 players with 8 figure salary caps is beyond stupid.
I can't take them seriously if their names are odog and noodles
I think what they need is a couple big bruising Defenseman who do not score much but can hammer guys along the boards. These players generally come quite cheap as their game is just banging and hitting and are not expected to score. They play the Penalty kill but not the power play. Cici, Marincin, and Barrie should go. Maybe Dermott too.
I agree, you have some guys in mind?
Barries gone after this year anyway. Ideally they should try to bring in Travis Hamonic during free agency. He’s the epitome of a leader for that young team and definitely brings a ton of grit to the table.
that whole Tyson Barrie trade was a complete failure... why he keeps drafting offensively minded forwards and defense when this team has no difficulty generating offense, or trading for offensively minded players with little defensive awareness is baffling... Jake Muzzin was a great pickup but we need other defensemen (or forwards) who can play the body and are aware in their own end... Barrie's offense was eviscerated just as soon as he arrived in Toronto and he plays on the first power play unit
EXACTLY!!
@@dinimonator987 Yes I do have a player in mind. That guy who plays for that other team. You know who I mean? He has a jersey, wears skates, has a helmet and says "Obviously" several times during interviews. THAT guy. Bring him here and the leafs will improve.
Need to reallocate funds from forwards to defence. Trade Marner for a vet dman, a young prospect and picks.
Trade marner for Carlson and ovechkin
Marsel Vitti lmao yea right
@@masondunn1320 Ovechkin is gonna be obsolete in 4 years. Carlson is 30.
Let’s trade only player on the team that actually gives a Damn about the Toronto maple leafs
No team is taking that contract...period.
Dubas needs to go first
But that resume tho! ?
Dubas IS the problem. Rookie GM with no plan or idea what he’s doing
Yeah makes no sence at all! Basically the biggest fan base of any team with an unproven newb of a GM
I know we wait over 50 years have a ton of talent and we picking analytics guy who thinks he’s going to Reinvent the game and win a cup it’s so crazy. Pick a real Gm that knows how a team really wins in the playoffs.
@Chris D video game GM at best
..O dogs right ..Mathews and Marner get 4 million more than Marchand, Bergeron and Pasternak....somebody has to go...
I could see something happen with Seattle.....
Marner is gone man. Kid has pretty stick handles
Joseph Potter but hes 120 lbs soak and wet ovechkin is 240 scores hits and fights
i mean marchand (before 2016-17) and bergeron (before 2014-15) signed their contracts a long time ago. so yeah they’re gonna be cheaper than stars who signed in the last year or two. pastrnak took a discount i think
They aren't lmao to bad
Should have kept Kadri, traded away Marner, and made improvements on forward depth and D with the savings.
Keep Kadri and Marner would have been the correct answer. Keep the Toronto allstars for Toronto. Getting rid of Kadri was the stupidest move ever. The short answer is get rid of Dubas.
I agree with you..
A great reality show would be hire Tortarella to coach these Leafs, and video the whole thing.
Zero grit, does Gary Roberts have a son?
Zero grit and zero character
Domi does......
He has a daughter, and at this point, she'll do!
Roberts was a gritty finisher. The amount of fight and big goals he scored for us. Legend
Its simple you need depth on your team and a goalie who can go on a run - St.Louis won the cup because up and down their line-up they are very deep and have the quality to play any line against you. The Maple leafs have front load their team, they lack quality on the 3rd and 4th lines and the defense is bare bones.
Please don’t talk about trading rielly, he’s the only thing on that D core that works
Imagine that's what they do lol fix the D by trading our best D-man. Makes sense..
What about Muzzin?
@@ShawnBlaque Riley is not going any where Heyes is of his rocker thinking they would trade MO it's there only d man the rest are just called d men they don't play defence
@@langdonalger9219 Agreed, Muzzin's a hard-working and responsible defenseman and should be kept around for that reason. There's a reason our play went downhill (in both the series and the season) when he was out.
I’d trade Marner. You should be able to get something good for him. This is a team with no heart. The team the way it is will never go anywhere. I’m hoping for a second Toronto team so I have someone to cheer for. I’m tired of this organization.
Trade Morgan Rielly? You’ve got to be kidding.
What has he done for the club? Is he better than a 3 D on any other team?. His stock is only high because lead fans say so. He's slow. He gets beat on D by other teams elite and not so elite forwards and he can't put up points. Mediocre at best.
@@Jason-kz5zv he can't put up points? Down year this year I agree but 72 last year and 52 2 years ago. You have no idea what you're talking about
The only reason I would trade Rielly is if you cannot extend him next year.
Your right. It's the playoffs that he really shines
Trade everyone. Marner, Reilly, Matthews, Tavares, Andersen. Get mad picks, start again. This rebuild was totally botched. Toronto has done it all wrong. They'll never win with this team and they're gonna have to do a full rebuild in 10 years anyways. Leafs fans are gullible enough to think they have a chance, like they've been for 68 years, so they'll keep buying merch and tickets, but at the end of the day this team is a joke and needs a full restart.
The Blue Jackets are all defense with minimal offense while the Leafs are the exact opposite. To answer your question: Who's still in the playoffs?
Marner has to go, simple as that. If any of the big-3 have to go, it’s him. You simply can’t have that much money tied up in 3 players, then have someone like Cody Ceci playing over 20 minutes a night. However, I do have to sympathize for them a bit, Barrie couldn’t have performed any worse than they expected. That’s coming from a Detroit fan.
Who would take an 11M$ contract. Unless you are not protecting him on the seattle draft...
@@tcantin2321 He is worth 11 but like you said that is a huge fucking contract to take on. Kid put up 97 last season and 67 in just 59 games this season.
Marner is going no where , Nylander is going .
Mic Joseph why would they trade their only team friendly deal
@@vergy Perhaps, would need to dig the advanced stats to see who profits from who and determine which one is truly overpaid. All in all, none has been a bargain.
Marner isn't going anywhere. He just signed before the season, makes a ton, and is hometown kid. No way they'll get back fair value for him.
Marner is a scrub and what’s most annoying about him is he demanded Matthews money and dude only scored 16 goals season & playoffs absolutely disgusting production
Trade marner for an excellent piece on the blue line. O dog is right, it does two things shakes up the roster and addresses a need. Trading third and forth liners isn’t going to do shit. If you want something good, you have to give up something good
They traded for Barrie also which was dumb because he’s good offensively and wasn’t even that this year really, not great defensively and not much bite to his game
The leafs team looks like something a 12 year old made in nhl20
Lmao you’re not wrong
i really hope timothy liljegren makes big jump next year. I think people may have forgotten about him.
A lot of people forgot about Liljegren I think he will be really good next year
Mikko lehtonen was a stud in the khl it’ll be interesting to see how he fits in people already forgot about him so fast even though there was a sweepstakes for him.
valimaki and rasmus andersson are better
They forgot about him because he’s made himself very forgettable , he’s not our saviour lol
@@ajiboy1919 Mikko Lehtonen is amazing! He was just so superior when he played for my home team HV71 in SHL when we won the gold in 2017. Had most ice time of all players and never made a misstake on the ice.
The three stooges jaw about needing to make changes on a team near the cap limit and also dont want the team to trade any high salary players...great analysis guys.
Tavares and Auston are the only 2 off limits guys. Maybe Anderson too. Everyone else should be shopped.
i’d like to add rielly to this list
Reilly and Austin untouchables.
And marner
@Joshua Sousa 🤝👏 Yes Captain Morgan Rielly nobody seems to realize that when he was injured this season there was a huge mentality change in the locker room they became complacent with losing Rielly shows up game in and game out and leaves his heart out there definitely should have gotten the C but truly taking it off Tavares is damaging as well. They should have just keep the four assistant captains so each person are equally accountable now alot of the blame shifts towards JT because he is the captain even though he worked his ass off in this series as well
Excuse me don’t disrespect Mo like that, I’d rather see Johnny or Freddy chopped than the heart and soul of the team.
Here's an idea,the big 4 take a cut to help the team????
Too late, they already got their money up front.
That's a nice idea but that's not how it works
Connor Beaudet Why not?
Blake Sking agreed. No heart, plays for himself
Problem is the “gritty” guys leafs do have didn’t even play that way in the series the only guy I saw out ther finishing checks was Mathews...I believe Keefe’s system does not require you to finish checks or play physical but to create loose pucks from stick placement...which doesn’t work in playoff formats.
Dubas was the only mistake shanahan made since coming to Toronto...Lou was better and mark hunter would have been a better choice.
Dubas will be given another year and than relieved but another year off of contracts the will lose!
Don’t bring back Barrie that’s step 1.
Sign a stay at home dman or 2 that have experience. Not a Ceci, but someone who actually has history of being reliable. I know guys like Tanev or Manson are nice and shiny for potential offseason moves but guess what-they’re gonna cost you a pretty decent price! So you may need to take a shot at a cheaper defensive first option. Pysyk out of Florida is a UFA. Hamonic out of Calgary. I’m spit balling. Are they amazing? Definitely not, but hey maybe they fit the system and it could be worth a shot at a cheaper price because this team can’t be spending too much
Sign or trade for a two way hockey player (or a few) that have some decent size. Shouldn’t be a 5’10 or under player. Bring some size to your lineup. Every offseason there’s usually quite a few two way role players. Go for one of em. Explore trading options with one or two of Johnsson, Kapanen, maybe even Nylander. If you want defensive help, sorry but maybe 2 of them have to go. Gotta clear some money.
All in all, you’d bring in size, strength, two way hockey and a reliable shutdown option. And you lose a few skill guys. Them being so tight to the cap isn’t helping either so I’d say definitely explore a Nylander trading option but you might not have to.
They brought in that Barbanov guy from Russia for next season and he’s more than likely an NHL player. Nick Robertson should most definitely be on the Leafs roster next season. So that’s two players that can already help fill the void of a “skill player” role. Get some physical, reliable players this offseason and dish out a couple of skill players they already have because this whole all out offense approach isn’t working. They don’t have to blow up this team.
Keep Matthews-Tavares-Marner together. THAT should be your first line based on what they did together. Learn from that Boston, Colorado first line approach where they stack the first line. Try to see if they can mold Nylander into that second line center although he’s struggled in that position before. They’re not far off from being a more complete team but they keep making moves for all these skill or one dimensional players. This should be a wake up call
That’s a whole lot and still not enough, you guys are in TROUBLE
brownboy2340 luckily I’m a bruins fan lol but the leafs really aren’t that far away from making their team more complete than people think. It’s gonna have to take a big move or 2 though
Amazing....
I honestly think marner should play center. He can pass like Thornton but shoots like David Clarkson
CpnStbn12 pass like Thornton is a stretch! Thornton will go down as one of the best pure playmakers the league will ever see. And the funny thing is, Thornton had a MISSILE of a shot that he rarely chose to use 😂
Remember when TSN said “leafs fire power likely have edge” that was like a week ago 😂😂
@@RoamHockey they already had the banners set up on yonge street that day 😂
Changes for the leafs next year-they will raise ticket prices again
I honestly don’t know how the players feel when 4 players take over 40 millions
And are shit lol. Tavares missed 2 empty net shots in the last game. Must be painful watching someone making that much make house league hockey mistakes.
“What roster changes do the Leafs have to make?” All of them!
They need to get a tough guy
They have Clifford? Albeit on the fourth line, but how many 'tough guys' are actually in the league anymore than can play anywhere past the third line... Few and far between, especially ones that another team is going to trade.
leaf16nut well I mean like a very physical player they have a lot of soft players
Or they just need to play more physical
Most people have been saying since Dubas handed 4 forwards half the payroll.
THAT WON'T WORK. The team needs balance and the Leafs are WAY OUT OF BALANCE!!!
This isn't rocket science no matter how hard Dubas and his "abalytics community" try
to make it that.
FIRE DUBAS NOW!!!
Tavares, Matthews, Reilly you keep. Everyone else, you are on notice.
@Peter Stewart you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
The sad thing is that for all of the talent that someone like Marner has... a team might be like "We love Mitch, we think that he can be a top five winger in this league, he has all the skill in the world... but you're going to have to take back (insert terrible contract here) just for us to afford him." And that's not really accomplishing much if you make that deal.
It's a terrible contract. He's a great talent but horrifically overpaid and now you'll never get rid of him.
Dubas made some huge Gamble's and completely busted. Leafs will need a rebuild in 4 years and unless their young defensemen blow up they're going to suffer.
@@telquel7843 Yeah I was just mostly trying to illustrate that the Leafs aren't really going to "get" anything, of value at least, by trading Marner.
Lol the wings totally changed just from 96 to 97. They were "worse" points wise but way more complete with Shanny, Kocur etc. Imagine the polished leafs getting a kocur...
I dont see how Kocur helped them. Idk why people are comparing them to the 90s Wings.
@@epicphailure88 because they brought up how long it took for ovechkin and yzerman. Comparing the actual team to one that win is hilarious and no one really is
@@wingsfan1450 I love how Washington's Cup win in 2018 is now the new example and hope for teams that fall short every year. Toronto has a long way to go before even reaching a San Jose/Ottawa/Washington level of regular season dominance. Toronto may be further behind than we thought.
They need to dump the over paid players and get lots of medium type players like Kadri, Bozak. JVR , Reimer because they are all in the playoffs right now
Reimer was the future of this team. The turning point was when Brian Gionta knocked him into the net. Things just went downhill from there. Francois Allaire ruined 3 goalies that could have been our future in Gustavsson, Toskala, and of course Reimer. He tried to change their style. Then that disappointing historical collapse happened and they threw him under the bus and brought in a goalie we didn't even need in Bernier who was FAR worse than Reimer. We had a great goaltending tandem in Reimer and Scrivens But Bernier at the time was NOT a starter
And Carlyle Leeched his confidence by giving Bernier the starting job when he didn't deserve it.
Then when Babcock was hired he made Reimer the starter because he knew Reimer was the better goalie. Despite the was he was treated by management and fans tweeting about his wife he wanted to stay in Toronto regardless. Also Reimer was outstanding in shootouts. Signaficantly better in them than Bernier and Andersen. However Dubas, Shanahan, and Keefe ALL need to be shown the door. Dubas will probably do nothing in the offseason as he always does and we will have another disappointing season. Well Done Shanny! way to set the team backwards by hiring a GM that is inexperienced, Should have hired Hunter. I hope you pay the price for all of this
How much lower can you get when you lose to your own Zamboni driver?? We all knew it was downhill from there..
Oooof. Thanks for Kadri. Sincerely an AVS fan. Joe Sakic really showing how much of a genius he is. We stole that trade 😂
no need to rub it in. :(
@Kai Wong and Kadri is still in the first round. Where y'all at? Haha. Don't be salty. If you haven't noticed the Avs are far better off then the leafs in almost every aspect. These are facts. If Kadri chokes, there's plenty of talent that can take his place in our roster which is more then what I can say for the leafs. Dubas really fucked that team hard haha.
@@RoamHockey I said IF. I never said he was going to. But if it happens. But I agree. AVS will benefit as they just did. Kadri just scored so it's a big win for us. Toronto fans are salty because they lost the only grit on the team and gave it up to a team that's going to go far. Don't give them the time haha.
@@RoamHockey like I said huge win for Joe Sakic . Haha I love it.
they weren't "missing " anything at the beginning of the season. these clowns where putting the Leafs above teams like Boston and Tampa. they should play " "Entrance of the Gladiators " whenever these guys are on the screen.( look it up )..
Obviously I'm a canes fan but if I were the leafs I would trade nylander or robertson for a right handed d-man like possibly Dumba or Suter (if hes right handed, I dont know) but there are plenty of teams that could use offense from players like Nylander or Robertson and I feel they might be willing to trade a right handed D for it
Also thank you O Dog for calling out the Leafs for having players make 11 million, that really made my day
Nylander should be the one to go. He's good enough to get a good return. You want him? Give us hamilton or slavin
@@ryancrits8180 that is almost offensive. Slavin should've at least been nominated for the Norris and you think I want some bum that cant score when it matters most and makes $7 million!? The only way for me to even consider that is if he was packaged with 2 first rounders no strings attached and even then I would still laugh in your face for that
@@ryancrits8180 i aint a canes fan but I still wouldn't trade hamilton or slavin for nylander..
@@theemiester4090 you seem offended. Its just hockey, man. Chill. We don't even work for the team lol
Nylander won't even get Slavin's skate laces! A good option for us is Brett Pesce on the Canes. A Nylander for Pesce trade value-wise is pretty even (even though, the Canes still probably wouldn't do it). If we're getting Slavin, we pretty much have to trade Matthews.
Leafs are an awesome team! As a playoff team, no grit, soft as kleenex.
I hate the Leafs, but.... I think they will have to blow up this team. Almost a complete rebuild....
I disagree completely. They have a few big honkin’ holes in their game. One is defence and the other is grit up front. Possibly goaltending could be better but Anderson is great when he has support. They will have to sacrifice some offence to create a more balanced, complete team. I don’t think a rebuild is the answer.
I see no reason to rebuild especially with how young most of this team is. They have issues to address but rebuilding isn’t the way to go when your best players are all young.
Haha I love o-dog. He’s jus a pissed off leafs fan and I feel him 😂
We should be more into individual player offensive stats. To have guys in the top10 is really fun & that is wk after wk. Can take so much pride from that & we have way more players there than the others. Let’s focus on that!
Get someone who finishes their checks
Someone like... Kadri???
Let go Ceci and Barrie and go after tanev and TJ Brodie on defence, resign spezza
The Leafs biggest problem is that the whole team doesn’t wear matching pajamas
Gerard Gallant would be the perfect one for Leafs, they would learn how to defend and how to work daily. But I don't hope Keefe gets fired, it's still a short period that he have been coaching the Leafs. We have to get rid of some forwards and get that stronger def. Probably we should think our playstyle, we should focus more on defensive side. If we defend better, we have all the skill to score goals we need if we defend better and if we don't allow 4-5 goals in every game. And this is just my opinion, nothing more. Im a big Leafs fan from Finland, I hope Dubas and Keefe are gonna do something to make our playstyle even a bit more defensive. In the end, it's all about work.
The whole core is flawed.
In the playoffs, you need guys that can play a two-way heavy game like Bergeron, Toews, O'reilly, Couturier, Dubious, etc can. That's why guys like Matthews, Tavares, Crosby, McDavid got bounced early.
Even if you trade Nylander, you're not getting back fair value since teams know how desperate you are. It will be like the Hall for Larsson trade all over again.
What's a joke is how Nylander, Marner both held out, got their money, then failed to show up when the team needed them. Same thing with Tavares. On top of that, how do you trade a gritty guy like Kadri, who plays the exact style of game you need in the playoffs, for an offensive defenseman, who was garbage in his own end, and will walk this summer? When the trade was made, I was thinking really? You couldn't get a guy back who is defensive minded with some term?
Andersen can only do so much with how much of a tire fire the Leafs are in their own end. They literally just throw the puck away in danger areas like it's nothing, and have 4 guys covering one guy.
Yep yep and yep. Playoff hockey is almost a different sport than regular season hockey, a big reason for that being officiating. It’s not as bad as it was in 90s, but still different. The difference in reg season hockey vs playoff hockey would be like if the NFL was a flag football league the first 16 games, then tackle football for the playoffs. Therefor you need to build a team based on playoff standards.
Mathias Eckholm, perfect solution. Nashville needs scoring, so leafs need to do whatever they can to get him. He’s the perfect defenseman that the leafs are missing. Something has to change.
Nashville will not trade for any leafs forward because of the cap space. Ekholm contract is really good for them, they would not give it a high payed forward.
Shanahan is running the franchise into the ground. Great hire. O ya
And things started out pretty good I thought. We were really heading somewhere.....and then...Dufus. I will never understand.
Defense, 3rd and 4th lines need secondary scoring and all around skills improvements. Someone of either Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, has to go so your able to add those pieces.
Management ruined this team like wtf were they thinking paying Marner, Matthew and tavares 10+ mil.. only Tavares is actually proven and tested but the others hell no...
@@RoamHockey tavares was better than matthews in this series
I will tell you what you need, two solid defensive pairings, and offensive depth. You have one top line and average D at best. Your goalie saves you most of the time but you cant always rely on that.
Noodles saying they need to figure out what they have ...it’s been 4 years we know what they are.
Marner and Nylander are the movable pieces, but absolutely they need to have the right pieces moving back. And I would keep mango and kappy for my top line with Matthews. They would be able to build chemistry and play hard.
Leafs made a big mistake with mark hunter and this team would look alot different with him in house still. Mark should have been our GM not this kid dubas.
Agreed. Lou should have stayed one more year to negotiate the contracts for Nylander, Matthews and Marner, They are overpaid by five million.
Washington won because of the play of Tom Wilson, he built confidence into the entire team and he's skilled on top of it.
Just tired of it all. Been 60 years of excuses minus five under Quinn and two under Burns. What do you expect when you put all your emphasis on young immature players and no respect for keeping the puck out of the net. You have four defenseman that aren't NHL D Men.
Every team is going to have a strategy for expansion draft?
I thank god every day I'm not a Leafs fan. How hard is this to understand? YOU HAVE NO DEFENCE. You have to get defence at any means necessary right now. Good lord.
Structure is a bigger problem for toronto than lack of talent on the blue-line, Pittsburgh didn't have much talent on the blueline in 2017, they were even missing Letang, it's a lack of role players that's the main problem
I agree on looking and talking players but
One intangible to consider
Leadership
Ask
“Who can we bring in to improve others through leadership?”
The team needs grit. .... The team needs grit ....The team needs grit. .... The team needs grit ....The team needs grit. .... The team needs grit ....
I could go for some grits right about now
This team has gone as far as it can go in it's current state. They actually seem to have regressed from 2017 when they gave the Capitals a much more feisty test than they did this year against Columbus. They gave up some skilled size in JVR and grit in Kadri and never seemed to have replaced it. Shanahan and Dubas need to pull a page out of Masai Ujiri's playback and make a bold move like Ujiri did when he went out and got Kawhi Leonard. Perhaps look around the league and see if there's a star player that may want out of his current situation and offer up someone like Marner or Matthews. Wonder if Conner McDavid has had enough of Edmonton?
No they shouldn't make any changes till the 4 players making 40 million in total are making a lot less money.
You guys actually make sence.
They need grit!!! Bring back Wendel Clark!!!
Gilmour was a warrior and the type of player they need back on that team. Tough as nails, gritty (no Flyers mascot pun intended) and was laser fast
Noodles the MVP of this video, broke down everything very nicely
The Leafs are too light and peripheral. They have too many light, soft guys who can't get inside or sustain a forecheck. They have a D who can't stop the cycle or clear the front of the net. Clearly, they need to move out some peripheral players and look to fill their roles with heavier guys like Egor Korshov who although only put up a modest 25 pts in 40 games with the Marlies is 6'4", 220 lbs, plays a physical game and can skate. They should be looking to move Nylander, Kerfoot and Johnsson for a D like David Savard...not a sexy puck moving guy, but a guy who can stop the cycle, clear the front of the net, block shots and make a first pass under pressure. They should be looking to use that Barrie/Ceci money going out the door to sign such a D. AND they should be looking to trade for a guy like Josh Anderson, a guy who will crash the net, get in hard on the forecheck and can score. They should also give Campbell more opportunities next year to see if he can sustain some success. They're going to have to resign Andersen and Rielly...they might not be able to do both, so they had better start looking for a replacement for Andersen who, although a very good goalie...has let in weak goals in all the deciding games he's played in including with Anaheim.
Nylander was an absolute ghost the entire series
Who,what # was he?
I hate this punk and want him gone ASAP
any changes made by dubas will only weaken the team, and philosophy!
Clean shop.
Matthews needs to realize he's a big guy, he can throw his weight around more....
Yes cause that will fix their shitty defensive system
He's soft. Wants the puck but won't go get it.
@@TheAlphapuck5280 It's only step 1 of 1000 to even try and fix the leafs
He actually was laying the body on Jones.. It really impressed me
If he actually hits he might be like OVI. Dominant offensive and have to keep your head up.
The fact that Spezza, a 37-year old veteran who throughout his career was primarily known for being a fancy skill guy, showed more grit and energy than any other Leafs player out there, tells you everything you need to know about this sorry ass hockey organization. Some moves I would like to see made before next season if I was a Leafs fan:
- Fire Dubas
- Trade away Marner and/or Nylander in exchange for a handful of quality top nine forwards with physicality and a mean streak to their game. In other words Zach Hyman type of players
- Make Matthews, the true cornerstone of this franchise, your captain. Tavares with the C on his chest just ain’t gonna cut it
- Every team needs a defenseman capable of putting up numbers and running the PP. Barrie is a better true offensive Dman than Rielly imo. Therefor I would explore the trade market with Rielly in search of some gritty, experienced Dmen to keep opposing forwards honest - especially come playoff time.
- Extend Jason Spezza already
marner for a good D man and some picks
Started watching this was in agreement until they mentioned Freddie Anderson. I was like “huh?” Then realized it was from 2 years ago!…I’m living in a time loop!
Auston Mathews should be the Leafs Captain. Start there
Tavares is the week link. Leafs were better off going with a youth movement and spending his salary elsewhere. Islanders sure don't miss him.
Auston, john, and morgan are literally the only 3 guys that showed up this series but okay dude.
Tampa is built in a similar way as the Leafs, but at least they have two-way, heavy guys like Cirelli, Maroon, Goodrow, Killorn, Coleman, Joseph, Palat, Paquette, etc. They also have a solid defense with Hedman, Sergachev, Cernak, McDonagh, Coburn, Bogosian.
Andersen is another Patrick Lalime. Always lets in leaky goals in big games. He MUST go. Ignore anyone who says otherwise. If they want to win, get a new goalie, ditch 2 of the big 4 up front, and play the trap. But Leafs management wont do any of that.
You’re an idiot. Do you know what his save percentage is? Also wow take away one goal from 3-0 loss, THEY STILL DIDNT SCORE. What do you expect the goalie to get goals? You’re a tool
The invisible Man I can’t even tell if you’re serious
As a goalie I see a lot of good with Andersen. However, playing with panic stricken defenders slotted way about their skill level makes a goalies job WAY harder. Yes there have been a few squeakers over the last few years, but look at the defensive help. Even in gm 5 against CBJ....the second goal from the sharpe angle. The team made a horrible change left Marincin of all people all alone and he played it horribly. He didn't take the shot, he didn't block the pass, so Andersen naturally was getting ready to potentially make a save and potentially have to move across the crease for a pass...luckily the guy shot right where Andersens legs had to be slightly open so that he could get ready for that push across. Andersen had all other holes closed off. If Marincin takes away the pass, like he is supposed to, and allows his goalie to square up to the shooter and it goes in....then it is on Andersen. If he committed all to the shooter and he passed, the guy in front would have an empty net. Tough position to put the goalie in.
Just dump him to minors
anybody else here after another disgraceful playoff performance against Montreal thinking that this video is exactly applicable in 2021 too? fucking Leafs, man
Hot take: Detroit Red Wings win a cup before Toronto.
Most of the leafs cap is tied up in 4 players who's strength is offense. Poss dubas thought the cap would go up more the last two yrs it hasn't and now all teams are basically stuck with a flat cap next yr or two. Leafs still have excellent talent in their top 6 but it's basically one dimensional. Nylander seems like the logical one to trade.
anyway..............,.. morgan rielly for captain
Why are they talking about a team that's already out of the playoffs
Acquiring Tavares was a huge mistake.
I don't want my Leafs to play like a bunch of slaves, I want 'em to play like tough guys! GET A LOT OF TOUGH GUYS!!!
LETS GO RAPTORS
Go play touch the butt. Rest of us are talking about a contact sport.
@@jhammer7441 triggered ^. Last I checked leafs are playing no contact hockey except occasionally the 4th line