This can be a tricky subject on court. I have quite often witnessed pairs where one partner "assumed" themselves to be the stronger and pre-eminent player but, observed objectively they were actually making just as many errors or setting-up their "weaker" partner with questionable shot selections of their own. If you fail to play to your partner's strengths it is possible to unintentionally make them appear far worse than they actually are. To that end, I tend to adopt the belief that you either win as a pair, or lose as a pair (unless there is a considerable competency gap between the two players, in which case just accept the imbalance and work as best you both can with it).
I agree. It often happens to me, when I go to a league club, but the "good pkayers" play as if they're playing singles and stand flat footed in the middle of the court.
Thank you so much for this point on communication with a partner. I used to be the one who's weaker and I've spotted that I play much worse if stronger partners roll their eyes and start yelling at me during the game, and much better when I'm encouraged and supported!
OMG that makes so much sense on why I would usually lose whenever I had weaker partner, despite knowing that I could win the match. I realized that I'd stick to my playstyle of playing hard/advanced shots like full smash, fast drops and cross net shots but my partner wasn't able to keep up and would almost often lose us the point. Maybe I'll start playing more controlled shots and slow down the pace. Thank you so much for making these kind of videos. I have watched every single one of them. Keep it up!
Yes! I'm like this too in the beginning, rather than your weaker partner adapting to your play, it's better if you adapt to your partner's strengths and weaknesses. 😁
You can only play as fast/hard as your partner is capable of, you won't win every attacking shot on one so you'll need your partner to follow up. If your partner is weaker usually their observation/forward play is not as fast/strong so you need to play make yourself into winning rallies too or if you want to play your partner into the winning shot it needs to be built up with respect to their skill level... One key aspect for weaker partner is to play *consistent*, try not to overplay your skill/speed to make up for the skill difference. If you do this the higher skilled player can't support due to inconsistency. The weaker player can play up skill so long as they are consistent with their stronger partner. It's not an easy task though!
If the gap is far betwen you and your partner, just play it fun, dont expect more. Whatever you do when the shuttle cock always come to your weak partner you will lose point by their errors. Let it flow and give them short lesson for their weakness point. JAJAJAJAA
Oh my gosh I cannot describe how useful this is for me. I play in high school and there are definitely pairs that struggle with skill gaps. I will definitely put this advice to good use next season. Thank you for the video!
Playing slower pace, using quick but steep smashes (instead of all in) really helps because you can cover the next shot easily. It made all the difference. Defending and then counter-attacking seems to work for me instead of hitting really hard instead of expecting your partner to intercept at the front-mid area.
Your videos are very good and very well presented, created, explained and curated. The animations like the 1unarity on left bottom, the art work to demonstrate the key point are very good. Thanks I learn alot from you guys, I am a beginner and your videos are really helpfull all time.
Another great video 🏸. Reminds me of a match where every shot was played to my partner, mostly to the back. We lost quit badly in the first set. But I told him we should play "mixed doubles" and keep him at the front (since he was also a big guy) even when it was my serve. I'd just shift backwards fast and be able to get the return, and they made a lot mistakes of lifting not high enough over my partner and get it right back, since he was already close to the net. We easily won the next two sets and thus the game. He was very good at the net. As I remember he only made one mistake. Boosted our confidence while playing this way. As a downside though it sometimes leaves a bit of the court open for attack. But I think we countered their basic tactic like this.
@@hybrid4984 this might be the case but all the shots were going to him and I was just standing there. No fun for both of us. Also it's not always between good and better player but being outplayed by the opponent. They didn't adjust and that was their fault. If they would have played left and right in the back I would eventually have to go defensive. If you're getting beaten easily anyone (no matter how good they are) will be open for suggestions.
I’m playing In a weekly local tournament that lasts all summer every Thursday night. The majority of those who play are not as good of players as I am. On the first night I played 6 games and only won 1 of them. Then a few days later this video game out and I decided “I’m going to implement their suggestions” The next week I went 5-0 !!! Thank you for your help 😊
My partner is definitely the better of us two but I have the faster defensive reaction because of my lacrosse goalkeeping background. There were times we had to swap me to the back for our defensive formation because if he misses the defence I can slide in and recover (I’m much smaller as well) and we do quite well for a mixed team this way :)
I am the weaker partner. Not many stronger partners have those attributes you guys mentioned and even less have can retain the positive vibe up to end of of the game... towards the end they usually quiet down.. This is a big tips actually.
My weaker partner shout at me. 🤦♂I calmly walked away from him after the loss. I seldom play with him. He was angry & criticized me in front of everyone for choosing not to smash the shuttle at the lady's face, who is wearing eyeglasses, at the net. He doesn't like it when he receives body shots. There were no body smashes in this match. I found that attitude troubling that I made many mistakes. He was also expecting me to able to hit a rear court jump smash, land, & then run to the net to get the reply. 🤦♂No, we were not "playing sides". 😁 So I kept on doing it just to make a point he should cover the net; which he didn't. He continued to criticize me after the game. The next game I partner with a beginner & encouraged him. "Great shot. Nice block!" That game we won!
2:34 I was convinced it wasn't Greg in the video😂😂 Anyways, this was an awesome video, great production quality and an incredibly useful content for the doubles discipline. Sometimes, I'm the weaker player while on some moments, I'm the one who's supposed to be pro active on the court. Either way, this was very helpful. Thanks for this video 👍✨
This is one of the best discussion point everyone looking for. As everyone looking to get one point and make mess in court and abuse others this will be the great way to learn and respect each so that game is more than individual opinions. Thank you both for explaining most tough things in simple words…..
🏸Good content, explanation, and editing😎🏸 What I try to remind myself is that if I'm not able to react and come up with a way to cover my partner, I'm probably not "better enough"!
Thanks. Very practical, however, a lot of times, the weaker partners do not know, and often blame the rel ‘stronger’ player for not doing their job. Anyway, like u said at the end, key is to enjoy the game no matter what. Thanks again!
Sometimes its funny the weaker player blame the good one claiming im weaker player so i make mistake, you are good so dont make mistake. Honestly... Im just human & bad luck happen but if the weak do bad shot, its my pain which i acknowledge & accept to cover that yet its more painfull when the weak one flame me for that. 😭
Another great video guys, thank you 🏸🏸🏸 At my club I often play with players both better than me as well as a handful of beginners so I’m often on both sides of this coin. Very informative and important points. It’s things like this that help you make the most of each game even if partners/opponents are out of your league in either direction.
Great advice. Do you have a video planned for the weaker partner aswell? Probably not the core audience for the channel but will be valuable for those that do come looking.
It's always tricky with social badminton! I think the key is it's social and even the best players have an off day. I find it hard to "trust" weaker partners and inevitably go for shots that I shouldn't and ultimately fry the point anyhow. Best to let it go, and at least hope for one extra shot in the rally and perhaps an unforced error from opponents.
🏸 Another great video. Loved the tips about playing intelligent shots (straight lifts etc). It’s actually also a useful guide if you know that you are the weaker player - sometimes it’s easy to tell and it’s useful to be able to make suggestions that help avoid your partner getting frustrated, which means you play better as a team.
Badminton gold…thank you.😎 I’m glad you talked about encouragement….fantastic.👏 I’m my experience people take up a specific sport for pure enjoyment and for those who want to develop it they can. Some just want to play at a social/club level, enjoy and be involved in the Badminton community. Club competitions, social events, meet likeminded players & just mingle. I believe this all starts on the court and it’s up to the more experienced players to encourage this and instill a good Badminton culture. From that, the want to learn the want to develop and contribute within a partnership were the stronger partner is open and encouraging really can add momentum. Yes, as competitive individuals this there may be times where frustration creeps in. If so, it’s not something to moan at your partner about, its something to work on together, book courts and practice. The weaker partner may be beating themselves up about it, no need to add to it, they are looking at you for guidance. For me, its great to see a partner develop. Positive shots and choices. Being more relaxed and adding a few cheeky shots. We will lose, but we will lose well lol😁. And the day they turn around and say something like “oi! Pull your finger out, what was that shot!” always makes me chuckle 😂because I know we have reached a point where they can also help me develop further. It is also good to keep in mind that the positiveness partners get on court may be a world away from personal life positiveness. Sad, but true.😞 Without shame I will hold my hand up to this though.✋ (Club environment) On the odd occasion when playing against a pair (mixed and most of the time it’s not their regular partner) I see the stronger partner (usually the bloke) huffing, puffing flapping his arms about to take off, rolling eyes etc thus making his partner feel quite inadequate I will purposely play weaker shots (but not obvs) to the weaker player but then brutal shots to the “expert”🙄 stronger player. (Whisper to my partner “all on him!”🙃) Not to belittle, but to hopefully remind them that they are not perfect. Has this cost us points at times? sure! but there is just no need for it.🧐 Great content, keep it coming.🤪
Regarding some movements for when a player is not as good.. An issue is that for doubles positioning, they can be things that one would have to drill with a coach. Most of the time when people have drilled with a coach, it has normally been the conventional, rather than adjustment for when a partner is not as good,. One method you mention is when the stronger player blocks it to the net, the weaker player can move in and cover it.. A thing with that though, is that if a weaker player can do that, then how weak are they! When i've played in an intermediate club, there have been high intermediates and low intermediates.. And what happens sometimes is they're trying to play conventional doubles..(which is fine 'cos they haven't drilled anything different.. and the low intermediate probably hasn't even drilled conventional movement!). What happens is the low intermediate might do a block to the net and not follow it in. Then the strong intermediate player says to him "look, I don't know you're gonna do that block to the net, so you have to cover it, 'cos you knew you're going to do that so you can get in there sooner!!!". So there in the framework of conventional movement, a strong intermediate is saying he can't cover that 'cos he doesn't have time. Now, if you have have a strong intermediate and a low intermediate, then given that a strong intermediate would struggle to come on if his weaker partner blocked it, all the moreso it'd be hard for the weaker player to come in and cover for when the stronger player blocks it. I think that might work there in a situation where two partners decide to see a coach, and the coach says "ok, which if you is the better player? correct, they are".. or something like that, and they drill the unconventional thing. In most badminton clubs in the UK, and I don't know re other countries, but in the UK, most clubs switch partners a lot.. only maybe the really advanced clubs that are super selective, might just have partners not switching much.. And maybe that method with the blocking could work there, in a club where partners don't switch a lot, and where something like that can be drilled. When i've seen beginner and low intermediate group training, then even when one player isn't as good, they've taught only the conventional and discouraged any trying to keep a player at the front, because they wanted all the players to learn conventional movement. In clubs i've played at, they say intermediate level.. There's "weaker" players, weaker being a euphemism for terrible or rubbish or relatively rubbish players.. And they come in different types.. ones that run all over the place like its singles, and my even be a hazard.. Ones that hardly move.. Ones that play strange shots.. Ones that don't have a clue what they are doing at the front and make it hard for anybody at the back. What to do then is different for the different types.. The concept of weaker/rubbish player is a broad category. The one in your example that can get a block their partner does, might be very quick but not preferred to be in the rear. One method i've used at intermediate level , as a lefty, so most of my partners are righties.. When two aprtners one left handed one right handed.. And both are sides, and in that position where the lefty is on the right and the righty is on the left, and one of them is not diong well at the rear court on the backhand/RTH side.. Then the partner can spot it and take it with their forehand. I've had that when i'm the rubbish one , in earlier years, maybe not moving much and they the righty have taken it. Or i've been playing with a partner that isn't good , or not at their best in that rally and just can't get to a shot on their RTH, , and i've saved it by doing the rear court forehand on my forehand side / partner's RTH side. And if I did a drop I call to them to "take the front", or "we're still going, take the front!.
Dude this is such a hard topic to cover and you guys did it perfectly ur the only reason why I play like I do and I am not like the carry type me and my teammate are really close in everything I have better placement and he has better power So we can try some of these when I am teamed with another friend that isn't as close to skill level as my actual partner
Thanks for this. It's a little bit difficult working with my partner who won't take constructive criticism from me (don't worry, I've always asked if they want advice, I'm not one of *those* people 😂) and they struggle with communication. I'll try out these tips next time we're playing because I'm definitely guilty for trying to play more "winning" shots and the result just being that I hit the shuttle off court lol
I always face this problem. Have to play with weaker partner and opponents always target him for easy points. Have learnt few tactics after watching this. Gonna try them tomorrow.
Superb video. Much needed. Jenny and Greg should plan to open their Academy in near future.. Btw it's just me or Jenny is getting prettier.. 😃 Only a compliment Greg.. Love you guys... Keep up the good work
This is so helpful. I always found it difficult to play with my partner when he isn’t in form. Thanks again for this wonderful and informative video! Love your videos a lot! 🏸
Nice video. Thanks. I can't control my anger to my weaker partner. He played drop shot from rear court and send me to front court. His intentions to playing more in rear court rather than front court. After two or three shots opponent get point. So I became helpless.
In an open club, I can tell you it is extremely frustrating as a mire experienced female player to be forced only to cover the net whilst the incompetent male blunders about at the back. I've grown a thick skin & selective deafness just to get a decent game.
Do you try to cover the net by just standing at the front, near the T and ducking, though? Doing that, causes the rear player to have to "blunder about at the back". I've given up on mixed doubles, due to woman just standing on one spot on T and expecting me to somehow Lee Yong Dae over the whole of the back and defend the sides. 🙄
As a female player I refused to play mixte double when I begin badminton because it was only standing at the net, and to play normal double with men help me a lot to improve. I think the stratégie in the video is really good but you have to use it only when there is a big gap, or when you really want to win in a competition. But if you want to improve you have to be the weaker player sometimes 😊
Hi Greg & Jenny, another great video as usual, I have a question, how do you control your breathing or the timing of breathing during a rally or drill?
Hi guys love your videos as always. So is it possible to do a video tutorial on chasse steps on the backhand side (to use overhead shots) just like Anthony Ginting always did. He's always been able to do this very different backhand footwork like many small running steps to the back. Not sure if is called chasse and couldn't really find this sort of tutorial anywhere.
a very useful video. I have two questions 1. what to do with the partner who does not listen or keeps repeating the same mistake? 2. How to politely tell your partner that something is wrong?
Hey guys, can you do a video on shuttle testing & correct shuttle speeds(like where it should land)? Most clubs that I've been to here in NL use shuttles that are way too slow, which also results in more injuries and less satisfying shots for people, which they generally don't realise. It's a huge problem, and I'm betting not just where I live.
@@BadmintonInsight Oh yes, 16-01-22. Saw that, must have forgotten. Trying to collect some information on correct speeds to spread awareness in clubs. The more information/sources the better!
I believe this is quite subjective as it depends on the player mindset. Is the stronger player mindset belongs to ""must win" (competitive) or "just enjoying the sports / play"? Weaker players may be still learning and if the game is won with the stronger player playing all the setup shots and scored by himself/herself, then the weaker player may not be enjoying the game as well. Don''t get me wrong, this is still a good video and i think this would work if the level gaps are not too wide apart. But it may not work well if the players gap is too huge (stronger player get pissed off and not motivated to play and wish the game to end faster).
Agree with the video, carrying weaker player are better when the good one play at the back as back player are a man who see all & can control the games better there. But sometimes the weak one just doesnt want or know to move forward & getting bullied at the back. This i find its hard to help them when im locked at the front yet my weak partner just keep attacking until his battery dead. So any advice what to do when you are locked at the front? Coz if i force myself to move backward & intercept, i basically leaving the front court open & not to mention risking my head getting smashed by my own partner 😅
Hi J & G, tks for your great tips and content. Would like to seek your suggestion on the following situation. How to deal with the situation when the service partner blocks the vision of the rear partner that is position behind the server? Allow me to explain. I am a left hander. Service partner serve on the even number (right side) of the court. Usual position for me is to stand behind but slightly to the left. When service partner do a low serve, he will move slightly left to position at the T. If I don’t move, my service partner will block my view of the shuttle. But if I move even more to the left (to avoid my service partner blocking my view of the shuttle), I risk exposing my backhand (rear right backcourt). Of course, one solution is for my service partner to bend a little while standing at the T. But I play in a group of 12-15 players, we often mix our pairing. We need to adapt to different playing style of each player. Hope you will give a suggestion on your future videos. Tks in advance.
Let's goo! The perfect video we all needed! Been waiting for this since 2 weeks !!🏸🏸 PS: Could we get some more vlogs😋 , it's been a while ... or something like - "A Day in the life of a Pro Badminton player" or "We hired a badminton trainer and pretended to be a beginner "😂
I am usually the weaker player lol but even for us these tips are useful. Also i would like to thank you because u speak very clearly and u are Easy to understand even if english is not our mother tongue
I was in agony last week after I pulled a muscle in my side playing with a partner who just didn’t want to move to take a shot. I ran from rear court to the net, wasn’t worth the effort, I missed and he wasn’t bothered 🤷🏻♀️
🏸 Here's my Like and I've subscribed! I'm sure everyone can relate to this video as both the weaker and stronger(?) 😉 player when playing doubles. Communication is super important and I love the "Marcus" clip (why did it make me think of "Fenton"?) and realised I could do more on this and on shot selection. Any suggestions on how to gently encourage new players who are fully committed to covering "all" of the court to not move quite as much?
Hey, Greg & Jenny, just want to say, keep up the good work, you are making a good impact on the badminton community. Thank you for the tutorials. I’ve always been curious, in terms of racket stringing, do both of you practice the +2 lbs tension on the cross, compared to the main?
🏸 suggestion: please can you make a post specifically for ladies playing at club level (beginner/intermediate). I see there is a strange culture at this level where women are encouraged to only play at the front when partnered by a man. There is no rotation and women never develop any skill at rear-court shots as a result. The men also seem to think this is right even when they are running side to side like crazy whilst their female partner stands doing nothing. I think it is the reason why so few women are found at clubs these days relative to the number of men. It is hard for a woman to find the courage to get out of this cycle and insist on practicing at the back which is seen as some kind of outlandish suggestion. Please help!
Yeah, this is common in mixed matches (there is a specific playing style) but some people take it way too far. In most cases, the women would be at the net, sure, but if needed it makes sense for them to move back to the rear. The men should also be playing shots that make it more likely for the women to hit the shuttle near the net, but this is often not done in my experience.
My old Indonesian coach, married a very long time, told us males before mixed training: "If you lose, it is always the man's fault. Always. Always! Never, woman's fault. Always, man's fault." Us: "Even if she played terrible??" Coach: "That does not matter." Us: "But coach! What if we win?" Coach: "Then the woman win the game." Us: "Also if she played horrible?" Coach: "That not matter." He was right - most important is a mindset of acceptance of your partner!
Question: Say, I and my weaker parther are in defensive formation during the game. And the parther gets high clear at the back of the court and I'm forced to move forward ( which means we are in worst position). What shot the partner could play (assuming he\she doesn't have ability to play hard smash or play quality clears) to improve the situation ? My understanding is that the best shots for her would be dropshot in the middle or cross court (so that I could move to the side and back to intercept shots on the other part of the court). Please correct me if I'm wrong.
i most find it hard to return a serve with a weaker partner as im in the lower divisions and so a lot of high serves to the back box of place and i have learned that if i talk with him its easier as i can tell him to either play return or i will
My partner is someone with intellectual special needs. He’s only good at clearing & smashing. So generally make him play towards the behind of the court & this strategy has worked well for me.
Just yesterday ich played in a tournament with my son, which is recovering from a serious illness, so that I can confirm thes points 100%, although I saw the video just afterwards.
.I wanted to say one more thing in my country I am angressive player there are many defensive players they know all types of slices their slice is slow and fast they choose that are very accurate and there smash are very flat fast but so flat they land in the end of back line the smash comes like on my chest area on the sides or cross soo high not ground I don’t see a single video on internet telling how to punish flat smash because most players of high level hit smash with steep angle and what is the best return of slice but it looks like a smash and slice comes .what you think should be best return of cross court overhead and cross court forehand slice and I feel like his smash can be easily punish but I don’t know how to do it
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This can be a tricky subject on court. I have quite often witnessed pairs where one partner "assumed" themselves to be the stronger and pre-eminent player but, observed objectively they were actually making just as many errors or setting-up their "weaker" partner with questionable shot selections of their own. If you fail to play to your partner's strengths it is possible to unintentionally make them appear far worse than they actually are. To that end, I tend to adopt the belief that you either win as a pair, or lose as a pair (unless there is a considerable competency gap between the two players, in which case just accept the imbalance and work as best you both can with it).
This is how i feel about sukamuljo/gideon..
Not to say which one of them is weaker, but their playstyle definitely making gideon looks weaker.
In my club there is a guy who defo does not adopt this mindset he goes for everything and doesn’t let anyone else play it’s so annoying
I agree. It often happens to me, when I go to a league club, but the "good pkayers" play as if they're playing singles and stand flat footed in the middle of the court.
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@@voxmindflex couldnt agree more
Thank you so much for this point on communication with a partner. I used to be the one who's weaker and I've spotted that I play much worse if stronger partners roll their eyes and start yelling at me during the game, and much better when I'm encouraged and supported!
OMG that makes so much sense on why I would usually lose whenever I had weaker partner, despite knowing that I could win the match. I realized that I'd stick to my playstyle of playing hard/advanced shots like full smash, fast drops and cross net shots but my partner wasn't able to keep up and would almost often lose us the point. Maybe I'll start playing more controlled shots and slow down the pace. Thank you so much for making these kind of videos. I have watched every single one of them. Keep it up!
Yes! I'm like this too in the beginning, rather than your weaker partner adapting to your play, it's better if you adapt to your partner's strengths and weaknesses. 😁
You can only play as fast/hard as your partner is capable of, you won't win every attacking shot on one so you'll need your partner to follow up.
If your partner is weaker usually their observation/forward play is not as fast/strong so you need to play make yourself into winning rallies too or if you want to play your partner into the winning shot it needs to be built up with respect to their skill level...
One key aspect for weaker partner is to play *consistent*, try not to overplay your skill/speed to make up for the skill difference. If you do this the higher skilled player can't support due to inconsistency.
The weaker player can play up skill so long as they are consistent with their stronger partner. It's not an easy task though!
If the gap is far betwen you and your partner, just play it fun, dont expect more. Whatever you do when the shuttle cock always come to your weak partner you will lose point by their errors. Let it flow and give them short lesson for their weakness point. JAJAJAJAA
Oh my gosh I cannot describe how useful this is for me. I play in high school and there are definitely pairs that struggle with skill gaps. I will definitely put this advice to good use next season. Thank you for the video!
Literally same im in secondary i am way more advanced then my teammate
He doesnt even know how to serve
Playing slower pace, using quick but steep smashes (instead of all in) really helps because you can cover the next shot easily. It made all the difference. Defending and then counter-attacking seems to work for me instead of hitting really hard instead of expecting your partner to intercept at the front-mid area.
Yeah. A bit like playing smart than hard.
This type of videos are not usually found, but are most needed
Your videos are very good and very well presented, created, explained and curated. The animations like the 1unarity on left bottom, the art work to demonstrate the key point are very good. Thanks I learn alot from you guys, I am a beginner and your videos are really helpfull all time.
Thank you so much ☺️ that means a lot!
Another great video 🏸. Reminds me of a match where every shot was played to my partner, mostly to the back. We lost quit badly in the first set. But I told him we should play "mixed doubles" and keep him at the front (since he was also a big guy) even when it was my serve. I'd just shift backwards fast and be able to get the return, and they made a lot mistakes of lifting not high enough over my partner and get it right back, since he was already close to the net. We easily won the next two sets and thus the game. He was very good at the net. As I remember he only made one mistake. Boosted our confidence while playing this way. As a downside though it sometimes leaves a bit of the court open for attack. But I think we countered their basic tactic like this.
That's Awesome
Thats great game awareness. knowing a change needed to be made and your partner being receptive to this as a team helped you win.😁
But i affraid they may feel that we underestimating them if i tell them to be front player. JAJAJAJAA
@@hybrid4984 this might be the case but all the shots were going to him and I was just standing there. No fun for both of us. Also it's not always between good and better player but being outplayed by the opponent. They didn't adjust and that was their fault. If they would have played left and right in the back I would eventually have to go defensive. If you're getting beaten easily anyone (no matter how good they are) will be open for suggestions.
INCREDIBLY good and VERY insightful - thank you!!!
Ah thanks a lot 😃
I’m playing In a weekly local tournament that lasts all summer every Thursday night. The majority of those who play are not as good of players as I am. On the first night I played 6 games and only won 1 of them. Then a few days later this video game out and I decided
“I’m going to implement their suggestions”
The next week I went 5-0 !!!
Thank you for your help 😊
What a testimonial! That’s great to hear, and well done for being able to put them into practice 😀
@@BadmintonInsight my last game I said “ I dedicate that win to badminton insight 😂”
@@buffalobadminton 😂
Your content has been really helpful and has improved my game over and over again. Please continue making these videos.
Thanks a lot 😃
My partner is definitely the better of us two but I have the faster defensive reaction because of my lacrosse goalkeeping background. There were times we had to swap me to the back for our defensive formation because if he misses the defence I can slide in and recover (I’m much smaller as well) and we do quite well for a mixed team this way :)
I am the weaker partner. Not many stronger partners have those attributes you guys mentioned and even less have can retain the positive vibe up to end of of the game... towards the end they usually quiet down..
This is a big tips actually.
My weaker partner shout at me. 🤦♂I calmly walked away from him after the loss. I seldom play with him. He was angry & criticized me in front of everyone for choosing not to smash the shuttle at the lady's face, who is wearing eyeglasses, at the net. He doesn't like it when he receives body shots. There were no body smashes in this match.
I found that attitude troubling that I made many mistakes. He was also expecting me to able to hit a rear court jump smash, land, & then run to the net to get the reply. 🤦♂No, we were not "playing sides". 😁 So I kept on doing it just to make a point he should cover the net; which he didn't. He continued to criticize me after the game. The next game I partner with a beginner & encouraged him. "Great shot. Nice block!" That game we won!
2:34 I was convinced it wasn't Greg in the video😂😂
Anyways, this was an awesome video, great production quality and an incredibly useful content for the doubles discipline. Sometimes, I'm the weaker player while on some moments, I'm the one who's supposed to be pro active on the court.
Either way, this was very helpful. Thanks for this video 👍✨
Haha 😂 Thanks a lot for your kind words! Hopefully it helps you a lot in your future matches 😀
Another very insightful video. You guys are really inspiring.
Ah thank you ☺️
This is one of the best discussion point everyone looking for. As everyone looking to get one point and make mess in court and abuse others this will be the great way to learn and respect each so that game is more than individual opinions. Thank you both for explaining most tough things in simple words…..
This is the most valuable video on this channel. These tips are great learning points.
Thanks a lot 😀 Glad you enjoyed it!
🏸Good content, explanation, and editing😎🏸 What I try to remind myself is that if I'm not able to react and come up with a way to cover my partner, I'm probably not "better enough"!
Thank you so much Tony! And yes, that’s quite true 😅😅
Thank you for the video!! Learnt a thing or two and will try it out next time.
Awesome to hear! 😄
Thanks fir this video very important especially in clubs where we have various level players
Glad we could help Anand 😃
Watching a lot of the videos posted on your channel, they are very helpful!
Thank you so much!
Such good and accurate advice re whether to encourage or not.. 'cos some players get annoyed when their partners keep saying "unlucky"..
I am from India this video is very helpful for me thank you so much for uploading this video
🏸 great topic! I've got some new thing to learn and digest! Thanks!!!
Thanks. Very practical, however, a lot of times, the weaker partners do not know, and often blame the rel ‘stronger’ player for not doing their job. Anyway, like u said at the end, key is to enjoy the game no matter what. Thanks again!
Sometimes its funny the weaker player blame the good one claiming im weaker player so i make mistake, you are good so dont make mistake.
Honestly... Im just human & bad luck happen but if the weak do bad shot, its my pain which i acknowledge & accept to cover that yet its more painfull when the weak one flame me for that. 😭
Thanks for this video much appreciated and I will study it diligently :)
You’re welcome! Hopefully it helps 😀🏸
It's very satisfying to hear that your racket is hitting the shuttle, what kind of string do you have and what tension?
thanks Guys amazing and well thought of videos of a true champions... love from India 🇮🇳keep the videos coming...
Great video make more of them. Really appreciate your time and effort in putting these very very good quality video together. I wish both of you well.
As usual, love the content 🏸 thanks!
Thanks Shane! 😄
sending this to my doubles partner right away! 😊
🏸 This is definitely one of the more rare YT videos for badminton, I live how detailed you guys teach badminton!
Encouragement is so important!
Didnt know Greg had a twin! XD
Double trouble lol😁
His name is reg
Flexing the fact that you have videos on nearly every other topic mentioned here. Nice.
We’ve been doing regular videos for a while now! Still lots more to come though 😀
Another great video guys, thank you 🏸🏸🏸
At my club I often play with players both better than me as well as a handful of beginners so I’m often on both sides of this coin. Very informative and important points. It’s things like this that help you make the most of each game even if partners/opponents are out of your league in either direction.
Thanks a lot Ethan 😃😃🏸🏸
Great advice. Do you have a video planned for the weaker partner aswell? Probably not the core audience for the channel but will be valuable for those that do come looking.
It's always tricky with social badminton! I think the key is it's social and even the best players have an off day.
I find it hard to "trust" weaker partners and inevitably go for shots that I shouldn't and ultimately fry the point anyhow. Best to let it go, and at least hope for one extra shot in the rally and perhaps an unforced error from opponents.
Who's doing the editing? It's getting better =)
Glad you noticed! 😀 It’s Jenny!
Point 6,,every club player should learn that!😄👌
🏸 Another great video. Loved the tips about playing intelligent shots (straight lifts etc).
It’s actually also a useful guide if you know that you are the weaker player - sometimes it’s easy to tell and it’s useful to be able to make suggestions that help avoid your partner getting frustrated, which means you play better as a team.
Thank you so much ☺️ and yes very true!
Badminton gold…thank you.😎
I’m glad you talked about encouragement….fantastic.👏
I’m my experience people take up a specific sport for pure enjoyment and for those who want to develop it they can. Some just want to play at a social/club level, enjoy and be involved in the Badminton community. Club competitions, social events, meet likeminded players & just mingle. I believe this all starts on the court and it’s up to the more experienced players to encourage this and instill a good Badminton culture.
From that, the want to learn the want to develop and contribute within a partnership were the stronger partner is open and encouraging really can add momentum. Yes, as competitive individuals this there may be times where frustration creeps in. If so, it’s not something to moan at your partner about, its something to work on together, book courts and practice. The weaker partner may be beating themselves up about it, no need to add to it, they are looking at you for guidance.
For me, its great to see a partner develop. Positive shots and choices. Being more relaxed and adding a few cheeky shots. We will lose, but we will lose well lol😁. And the day they turn around and say something like “oi! Pull your finger out, what was that shot!” always makes me chuckle 😂because I know we have reached a point where they can also help me develop further.
It is also good to keep in mind that the positiveness partners get on court may be a world away from personal life positiveness. Sad, but true.😞
Without shame I will hold my hand up to this though.✋ (Club environment)
On the odd occasion when playing against a pair (mixed and most of the time it’s not their regular partner) I see the stronger partner (usually the bloke) huffing, puffing flapping his arms about to take off, rolling eyes etc thus making his partner feel quite inadequate I will purposely play weaker shots (but not obvs) to the weaker player but then brutal shots to the “expert”🙄 stronger player. (Whisper to my partner “all on him!”🙃) Not to belittle, but to hopefully remind them that they are not perfect. Has this cost us points at times? sure! but there is just no need for it.🧐
Great content, keep it coming.🤪
Regarding some movements for when a player is not as good.. An issue is that for doubles positioning, they can be things that one would have to drill with a coach. Most of the time when people have drilled with a coach, it has normally been the conventional, rather than adjustment for when a partner is not as good,. One method you mention is when the stronger player blocks it to the net, the weaker player can move in and cover it.. A thing with that though, is that if a weaker player can do that, then how weak are they!
When i've played in an intermediate club, there have been high intermediates and low intermediates.. And what happens sometimes is they're trying to play conventional doubles..(which is fine 'cos they haven't drilled anything different.. and the low intermediate probably hasn't even drilled conventional movement!). What happens is the low intermediate might do a block to the net and not follow it in. Then the strong intermediate player says to him "look, I don't know you're gonna do that block to the net, so you have to cover it, 'cos you knew you're going to do that so you can get in there sooner!!!". So there in the framework of conventional movement, a strong intermediate is saying he can't cover that 'cos he doesn't have time. Now, if you have have a strong intermediate and a low intermediate, then given that a strong intermediate would struggle to come on if his weaker partner blocked it, all the moreso it'd be hard for the weaker player to come in and cover for when the stronger player blocks it.
I think that might work there in a situation where two partners decide to see a coach, and the coach says "ok, which if you is the better player? correct, they are".. or something like that, and they drill the unconventional thing.
In most badminton clubs in the UK, and I don't know re other countries, but in the UK, most clubs switch partners a lot.. only maybe the really advanced clubs that are super selective, might just have partners not switching much.. And maybe that method with the blocking could work there, in a club where partners don't switch a lot, and where something like that can be drilled.
When i've seen beginner and low intermediate group training, then even when one player isn't as good, they've taught only the conventional and discouraged any trying to keep a player at the front, because they wanted all the players to learn conventional movement.
In clubs i've played at, they say intermediate level.. There's "weaker" players, weaker being a euphemism for terrible or rubbish or relatively rubbish players.. And they come in different types.. ones that run all over the place like its singles, and my even be a hazard.. Ones that hardly move.. Ones that play strange shots.. Ones that don't have a clue what they are doing at the front and make it hard for anybody at the back. What to do then is different for the different types.. The concept of weaker/rubbish player is a broad category. The one in your example that can get a block their partner does, might be very quick but not preferred to be in the rear.
One method i've used at intermediate level , as a lefty, so most of my partners are righties.. When two aprtners one left handed one right handed.. And both are sides, and in that position where the lefty is on the right and the righty is on the left, and one of them is not diong well at the rear court on the backhand/RTH side.. Then the partner can spot it and take it with their forehand. I've had that when i'm the rubbish one , in earlier years, maybe not moving much and they the righty have taken it. Or i've been playing with a partner that isn't good , or not at their best in that rally and just can't get to a shot on their RTH, , and i've saved it by doing the rear court forehand on my forehand side / partner's RTH side. And if I did a drop I call to them to "take the front", or "we're still going, take the front!.
All of the content was super useful ! Thank you so much for the hard work 😊
Thanks Daniel 😊
Dude this is such a hard topic to cover and you guys did it perfectly ur the only reason why I play like I do and I am not like the carry type me and my teammate are really close in everything I have better placement and he has better power
So we can try some of these when I am teamed with another friend that isn't as close to skill level as my actual partner
I'm always the strong partner 😉
You guys are the best, love all the hard work you both put in to these videos! Lots of love from Australia
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Haha! Thank you very much 😀 We’ll hopefully be visiting soon!
Thanks for this. It's a little bit difficult working with my partner who won't take constructive criticism from me (don't worry, I've always asked if they want advice, I'm not one of *those* people 😂) and they struggle with communication. I'll try out these tips next time we're playing because I'm definitely guilty for trying to play more "winning" shots and the result just being that I hit the shuttle off court lol
I always face this problem. Have to play with weaker partner and opponents always target him for easy points. Have learnt few tactics after watching this. Gonna try them tomorrow.
Hope it went well! 😀
@@BadmintonInsight yep very much. Thank you so much for the helpful videos that you guys make 👍🏻
Superb video. Much needed. Jenny and Greg should plan to open their Academy in near future.. Btw it's just me or Jenny is getting prettier.. 😃
Only a compliment Greg.. Love you guys... Keep up the good work
Haha thank you so much ☺️
This is so helpful. I always found it difficult to play with my partner when he isn’t in form. Thanks again for this wonderful and informative video! Love your videos a lot! 🏸
Thank you so much ☺️
Great video, I love the parts when they wink and say if they are actually ‘weaker than you that is’ 😂
Nice video. Thanks. I can't control my anger to my weaker partner. He played drop shot from rear court and send me to front court. His intentions to playing more in rear court rather than front court. After two or three shots opponent get point. So I became helpless.
wow, apreciate the editing !
Ah that’s so nice thank you 😊
Insightful, thank you!
You’re very welcome 😀
thanks I really need this tips
Thank you so much,this really helps me
You’re very welcome, that’s great to hear 😀
In an open club, I can tell you it is extremely frustrating as a mire experienced female player to be forced only to cover the net whilst the incompetent male blunders about at the back. I've grown a thick skin & selective deafness just to get a decent game.
Do you try to cover the net by just standing at the front, near the T and ducking, though?
Doing that, causes the rear player to have to "blunder about at the back". I've given up on mixed doubles, due to woman just standing on one spot on T and expecting me to somehow Lee Yong Dae over the whole of the back and defend the sides.
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As a female player I refused to play mixte double when I begin badminton because it was only standing at the net, and to play normal double with men help me a lot to improve. I think the stratégie in the video is really good but you have to use it only when there is a big gap, or when you really want to win in a competition. But if you want to improve you have to be the weaker player sometimes 😊
@@clemence5700 Definitely! 😃
I might share this with all my partners so they know how to cope with me on court 😂 Great video 🙌🏼
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🏸 great video - thanks for all the efforts Greg & Jenny!!
Thanks Time 😃 You’re very welcome! 🏸
Yes, I am the stronger partner ;) LOL. Great vid, and I love the positive mention on the last part.
Great video 👍👍
Thanks.
You’re welcome, glad you enjoyed it 😀
Pls place playlists in an order in which u want a beginner to learn first , so tht we can watch viedeos in tht order and improve step by step
I definetly get better avter watching your videos!!
Hi Greg & Jenny, another great video as usual, I have a question, how do you control your breathing or the timing of breathing during a rally or drill?
Thanks Roman 😀 It’s something that comes naturally really although some players do struggle with it. Try exhaling after each shot
Understood, many thanks 😊
Hi guys love your videos as always. So is it possible to do a video tutorial on chasse steps on the backhand side (to use overhead shots) just like Anthony Ginting always did. He's always been able to do this very different backhand footwork like many small running steps to the back. Not sure if is called chasse and couldn't really find this sort of tutorial anywhere.
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a very useful video. I have two questions 1. what to do with the partner who does not listen or keeps repeating the same mistake? 2. How to politely tell your partner that something is wrong?
Shout at him or slap him with your 🏸
Remember that it’s only one game. There are other people to partner up with.
Hey guys, can you do a video on shuttle testing & correct shuttle speeds(like where it should land)? Most clubs that I've been to here in NL use shuttles that are way too slow, which also results in more injuries and less satisfying shots for people, which they generally don't realise. It's a huge problem, and I'm betting not just where I live.
We have already done a short video on this if you want to check it out! We agree 😀
@@BadmintonInsight Oh yes, 16-01-22. Saw that, must have forgotten. Trying to collect some information on correct speeds to spread awareness in clubs. The more information/sources the better!
I believe this is quite subjective as it depends on the player mindset. Is the stronger player mindset belongs to ""must win" (competitive) or "just enjoying the sports / play"? Weaker players may be still learning and if the game is won with the stronger player playing all the setup shots and scored by himself/herself, then the weaker player may not be enjoying the game as well.
Don''t get me wrong, this is still a good video and i think this would work if the level gaps are not too wide apart. But it may not work well if the players gap is too huge (stronger player get pissed off and not motivated to play and wish the game to end faster).
"Leadership is bringing the best out of other people"
Agree with the video, carrying weaker player are better when the good one play at the back as back player are a man who see all & can control the games better there.
But sometimes the weak one just doesnt want or know to move forward & getting bullied at the back. This i find its hard to help them when im locked at the front yet my weak partner just keep attacking until his battery dead.
So any advice what to do when you are locked at the front? Coz if i force myself to move backward & intercept, i basically leaving the front court open & not to mention risking my head getting smashed by my own partner 😅
Hi J & G, tks for your great tips and content.
Would like to seek your suggestion on the following situation. How to deal with the situation when the service partner blocks the vision of the rear partner that is position behind the server?
Allow me to explain. I am a left hander. Service partner serve on the even number (right side) of the court. Usual position for me is to stand behind but slightly to the left.
When service partner do a low serve, he will move slightly left to position at the T. If I don’t move, my service partner will block my view of the shuttle. But if I move even more to the left (to avoid my service partner blocking my view of the shuttle), I risk exposing my backhand (rear right backcourt).
Of course, one solution is for my service partner to bend a little while standing at the T. But I play in a group of 12-15 players, we often mix our pairing. We need to adapt to different playing style of each player.
Hope you will give a suggestion on your future videos. Tks in advance.
Let's goo! The perfect video we all needed!
Been waiting for this since 2 weeks !!🏸🏸
PS: Could we get some more vlogs😋 , it's been a while ... or something like - "A Day in the life of a Pro Badminton player" or "We hired a badminton trainer and pretended to be a beginner "😂
I am usually the weaker player lol but even for us these tips are useful. Also i would like to thank you because u speak very clearly and u are Easy to understand even if english is not our mother tongue
Haha, I'm sure you're not always the weaker player! But even so, we're glad you enjoy the videos and thank you for the kind words 😊
I was in agony last week after I pulled a muscle in my side playing with a partner who just didn’t want to move to take a shot. I ran from rear court to the net, wasn’t worth the effort, I missed and he wasn’t bothered 🤷🏻♀️
brilliant
Thanks 😀
It is an honour to me for you guys to included me in this video as the "weak partner"......... lol
🏸🏸 Solid video as always, I'll take it to the court tonight! Especially the formation that was mentioned
Thanks a lot Josh 😀 Hope it went well! 🏸
🏸 Here's my Like and I've subscribed! I'm sure everyone can relate to this video as both the weaker and stronger(?) 😉 player when playing doubles. Communication is super important and I love the "Marcus" clip (why did it make me think of "Fenton"?) and realised I could do more on this and on shot selection. Any suggestions on how to gently encourage new players who are fully committed to covering "all" of the court to not move quite as much?
Hey, Greg & Jenny, just want to say, keep up the good work, you are making a good impact on the badminton community. Thank you for the tutorials.
I’ve always been curious, in terms of racket stringing, do both of you practice the +2 lbs tension on the cross, compared to the main?
Thank you so much 😊🙏🏼 and yes!
Good video full of great tips.
Thanks 😃
Thank you I want this video very badly 👍👍👍👍
🏸 suggestion: please can you make a post specifically for ladies playing at club level (beginner/intermediate). I see there is a strange culture at this level where women are encouraged to only play at the front when partnered by a man. There is no rotation and women never develop any skill at rear-court shots as a result. The men also seem to think this is right even when they are running side to side like crazy whilst their female partner stands doing nothing. I think it is the reason why so few women are found at clubs these days relative to the number of men. It is hard for a woman to find the courage to get out of this cycle and insist on practicing at the back which is seen as some kind of outlandish suggestion. Please help!
Yeah, this is common in mixed matches (there is a specific playing style) but some people take it way too far. In most cases, the women would be at the net, sure, but if needed it makes sense for them to move back to the rear. The men should also be playing shots that make it more likely for the women to hit the shuttle near the net, but this is often not done in my experience.
🏸Great Content! Love this topic!
Thank you 😊 glad you enjoyed it!
Can you do tutorial how to do cross smash because i really understand your explainantion. I've seen other channels video..but it's make confuse
great vid👏🏻
Thanks Jerry 😀
Great tips! ❤
Just loving your videos. Editing is fantastic. Well done Jenny 🏸💪👏
My old Indonesian coach, married a very long time, told us males before mixed training: "If you lose, it is always the man's fault. Always. Always! Never, woman's fault. Always, man's fault."
Us: "Even if she played terrible??"
Coach: "That does not matter."
Us: "But coach! What if we win?"
Coach: "Then the woman win the game."
Us: "Also if she played horrible?"
Coach: "That not matter."
He was right - most important is a mindset of acceptance of your partner!
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It’s true!
Question: Say, I and my weaker parther are in defensive formation during the game. And the parther gets high clear at the back of the court and I'm forced to move forward ( which means we are in worst position). What shot the partner could play (assuming he\she doesn't have ability to play hard smash or play quality clears) to improve the situation ? My understanding is that the best shots for her would be dropshot in the middle or cross court (so that I could move to the side and back to intercept shots on the other part of the court). Please correct me if I'm wrong.
i most find it hard to return a serve with a weaker partner as im in the lower divisions and so a lot of high serves to the back box of place and i have learned that if i talk with him its easier as i can tell him to either play return or i will
My partner is someone with intellectual special needs. He’s only good at clearing & smashing. So generally make him play towards the behind of the court & this strategy has worked well for me.
Intellectual special needs, lol. How did you find these words?
Just yesterday ich played in a tournament with my son, which is recovering from a serious illness, so that I can confirm thes points 100%, although I saw the video just afterwards.
.I wanted to say one more thing in my country I am angressive player there are many defensive players they know all types of slices their slice is slow and fast they choose that are very accurate and there smash are very flat fast but so flat they land in the end of back line the smash comes like on my chest area on the sides or cross soo high not ground I don’t see a single video on internet telling how to punish flat smash because most players of high level hit smash with steep angle and what is the best return of slice but it looks like a smash and slice comes .what you think should be best return of cross court overhead and cross court forehand slice and I feel like his smash can be easily punish but I don’t know how to do it
First time seeing this kind of video! Now I know what I could do besides eye rolling haha
We aim to provide lots of different insight in our videos! 😀
Great stuff
Thanks 😀
Is it just me or has the videography improved by leaps and bounds....and that smooth progress widget at the bottom left that tracks time for every topic.....
We’ve been trying! Thanks for noticing 😀
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the support Ravi! 🤗 It means so much to us!
Please can you make video on "How to perform underarm fake serve return"???
I waana learn that,please badminton insight make a video on this
It’s like a high serve you just slow down the speed of your swing at the last millisecond!
@@BadmintonInsight Thank you 😇